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 No.483825[Reply]

In only six months, Sahra Wagenknecht's new party has BTFO'd the remnants of Die Linke and is already the 3rd most popular party in recent German state elections in Thuringia and Saxony. Is she gonna do it, anons? Can Germany be saved after all?
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 No.485961

>>485937
>It never implied anything about the countries them self
It implies that the country is underdeveloped and irrelevant because any important country was pressured into picking a side. What was once called the 2nd world is now called the "axis of evil" (China, Russia, Iran, etc.). What makes such a country so severely underdeveloped is the people who live there which is why you want to be very careful about importing them as migrants.

>Pretty much all socialists subscribe to internationalism.

National Socialists and National Bolsheviks obviously don't. The difference is between politics aimed at a limited geographic area or people vs politics aimed at uniting the globe. Nazi Germany only cared about Germany and the "Aryan" people. The USSR cared about "liberating" all workers of the world regardless of country or race and subsuming all traditional countries into a new communist world order.

>Your understanding of globalism

If you just want to fight your own strawman then don't quote my post id. Find a way to do your ego masturbation without wasting my time.
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 No.485962

>>485961
>It implies that the country is underdeveloped and irrelevant because any important country was pressured into picking a side.
I think this is only half true. The other half is that there are historic precedents of countries doing neutrality successfully. And the neocons seem to get particularly upset about that for some reason. Like their brains only have 2 boxes one for foes and one for friends, and if it doesn't fit in either of these they get upset.
>What makes such a country so severely underdeveloped is the people who live there
Are you shitting on these people for choosing neutrality during the first cold war ?

>What was once called the 2nd world is now called the "axis of evil" (China, Russia, Iran, etc.).

I get what you are saying, but common that slogan is just too unbearable to repeat. Countries as malevolent mechanical linkages ? Why ? That metaphor doesn't make any sense. Who ever came up with that clearly was a nut. Pun intended.

>National Socialists and National Bolsheviks obviously don't.

There only ever was one fascist regime that called it self "socialist", but clearly wasn't. And National Bolsheviks were a tiny party in Russia that only existed briefly during the 90s and nothing ever came of it. So you haven't really contradicted that Socialists are internationalists.

>If you just want to fight your own strawman then don't quote my post id. Find a way to do your ego masturbation without wasting my time.

At first glance this sounds like a personal attack, but on second thought You appear to be indirectly attacking the criticism against multi-nationalism ?
Can you clarify your position on corporate power overriding democratic controle of governments.
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 No.485966

>>485962
>The other half is that there are historic precedents of countries doing neutrality successfully.
Nobody called Switzerland a 3rd world country. Clearly it's just the ones that don't matter.

>Are you shitting on these people for choosing neutrality during the first cold war ?

No I'm shitting on them for being subhuman savages who rape and murder their way through europe right now.

>Countries as malevolent mechanical linkages ? Why ? That metaphor doesn't make any sense.

It's from the point of view of the west, right. Me and my allies are the 1st world. The guys who won't do what we want and are too strong to bully around are the 2nd world (USSR, CCP/Russia, China, Iran) and everyone who doesn't matter is the 3rd world.

>There only ever was one fascist regime that called it self "socialist"

Fascism is just a branch of socialism. The red headed step child you wish didn't exist.
https://libquotes.com/benito-mussolini/quote/lbb5l9y

>At first glance this sounds like a personal attack

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 No.485998

>>485966
>Nobody called Switzerland a 3rd world country. Clearly it's just the ones that don't matter.
Switzerland was considered to be part of the first world. Also the third world countries were influential on the global stage then, and increasingly so in the present. So they always mattered.

>No I'm shitting on them for being subhuman savages who rape and murder their way through europe right now.

There are no subhumans, humanity is a species without any subspecies. Please refrain from fantasy biology.

If you want to argue against immigration because you think that it's increasing labor-competition too much, we can have that discussion. But if you just dehumanize people as "savages", you are not actually trying to prevent the import of immigrant labor, you are trying to create consent to take away the rights of those people so that capitalists can exploit them harder. This is not just ethically objectionable it's also bad for the local workers, because it undermines their bargaining power in the labor market.

If you are angry that social cohesion is breaking down you have to blame the ones at the top, they're the principal cause.

>It's from the point of view of the west, right. Me and my allies are the 1st world.

Nope i still don't get why you think an "axis" is a suitable political metaphor.

Also the people in the west that want to play cold-war with Russia again are not your friends. They are painting a target on our backs and they are stealing public funding that could be used for useful stuff. The opportunity damage they are causing is gigantic. They them selves get rich of this, but for everybody else it's the end of prosperity.
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 No.486008

>>485998
>Also the third world countries were influential on the global stage then, and increasingly so in the present.
Which 3rd world countries do you think are "influential" right now? They are so irrelevant they regularly genocide each other and even the human rights council can barely pretend to care.

>There are no subhumans, humanity is a species without any subspecies. Please refrain from fantasy biology.

I hope you remember that when you meet a gang of military aged african migrants on the street for the first time. It's easy to be pro-shark when you are not swimming in the water.

>you are trying to create consent to take away the rights of those people

They don't have a "right" to be in my country.

>If you are angry that social cohesion is breaking down you have to blame the ones at the top, they're the principal cause.

Again, get back to me when they open a migrant center near your house. Until then you're just virtue signalling from afar.

>Nope i still don't get why you think an "axis" is a suitable political metaphor.

It's not my metaphor, maybe that's the source of confusion.
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 No.485941[Reply]

So the Russians are the first ones to demonstrate, what appears to be a purely or mostly kinetic impact weapon that is rocket-propelled. This thing competes with low yield so called "tactical nukes". Without any of the downsides like radioactive contamination and massive shock-waves.

They destroyed a weapons factory complex and aside from an estimated 100 people that were inside, nobody else died, the surrounding buildings weren't damaged. The decades old promise of doing "surgical strikes" at scale and parity without "collateral damage" seems to have finally been realized.

Given how much more focused the delivery of destructive energy from those impactors are, it's likely more effective at destroying hardened military targets than most nukes. Nukes technically are plasma weapons. And for this new weapon the line between kinetic and energy weapons is beginning to blur a little as well because of the extreme physical conditions during impact.

I would consider this as a strategic deterrent, because it likely can destroy icbm missile silos, air-fields, naval ports/battle-groups and command and controle bunkers. Part of the deterrence effect might also be that the political cost of actually using one is much lower than with nukes.

I also think that they will tag on other functionality, like replacing the 36 impactors that slam into the ground, with an air-to-air variation making hole squadrons of fighters or drones go poof.

There also is the arms-race aspect, i wonder how that will play out.

It might change the political game too. At present the neocons antagonize Russians in order to create a threatening enemy in order to get funding for their schemes. But since this new weapon doesn't really threaten anything that touches the majority of the population, the political effect of the "Russian boogieman" might just fade away. Companies like Black Rock have been lobbying for the Ukraine war, I've been wondering for a long time whether these war-lobbies would get targeted like military eventually, it wasn't really possible, until now.

If WW3 was fought with this type of missile not many people would die, probably less than in many of the currently active wars. People could opt out of WW3, just by avoiding the places that would be strategical targets. So that's why i think it might be a silver bullet.
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 No.485973

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2024/11/sputnik-2-0-oreshnik-and-the-western-military-capabilities-gap.html

>This post endeavors, at a very high level, to discuss how the US/NATO shortcomings against Russia and the so-called West’s geostrategic competitors, are more foundational than most commentators recognize. This is due at least in part to an onslaught of propaganda maintaining long-standing prejudices against Slavs and non-white countries that industrialized after Europe.1
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 No.485974

>>485971
<Defense as a Service
They got some ballz to try that scam on people with the most guns.
But then again maybe the guns don't work because they can't ping the server that checks for the subscription licenses. The soldiers will have to install a crack to make sure their equipment works.

Maximum late stage capitalism.
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 No.485975

>>485974
It worked with the F-35.

It seems like the natural next step as far as Amerifat procurement goes. They'd have to undo 50 years of government sabotage and corporate/political imbalance in order to go any other direction than "hit the privatization button." I don't think there's any political will for that.
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 No.485995

>>485967
>plasma
Until we figure out plasma instability, we can't make sophisticated plasma configurations like a stable plasma ball.
However a plasma projector that acts like a highly localized shield against most types of weapons is conceivable. Think about a long range sandblaster wearing down incoming weapons fire with ionized particles. But we probably don't have a power-source for that, I'm guessing 200 gigawatts continuous is the barrier to entry for this.

>anti-matter bullets

We can't use anti-matter as the main energy carrier, because we can't make that stuff in quantity, and because we can't do low enough tolerances to make storage reliable enough.
We probably don't want to set off anti-matter explosions anyway since it will cause really nasty highly energetic particle emissions that make the stuff that comes out of nukes look harmless by comparison.

It is more plausible to use a few anti-matter particles as a means to set off a really small fusion reaction, (maybe with an intermediate fission reaction to further economize on anti-matter, which at the moment is the most expensive stuff by a huge margin). You can trap a few anti-matter particles in a magnetic vacuum bottle, if you have good enough or cold enough superconductor material.

There is a somewhat more low-tech way to make "nuclear bullets" small enough even for a regular rifle. It requires synthesizing a specific radio-active fissionable element, so it's not a cheap proposition by any means. And those bullets also would require a lot of cooling so there would be practicality limits of carrying a big ammo refrigeration unit around. If you set it off it would generate mostly gamma radiation but it would be powerful enough to melt a tank into a puddle of molten metal.

I'm not sure where you are going with this, but if i had to guess i'd say you are trying to make weapons munitions really small ? Maybe you can explain your motivation for that ?
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 No.485996

>>485975
>It worked with the F-35.
It worked in the sense that arms producers got rich off this.
However the US had a huge lead in air-power over anybody else and the F35 has shrunk that lead by a considerable amount.

>They'd have to undo 50 years of government sabotage and corporate/political imbalance in order to go any other direction than "hit the privatization button."

I agree that the problem came from privatization, but i don't know what you mean with:
government sabotage
corporate/political imbalance


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 No.485822[Reply]

this fuckin piece of shit this no good fuckin walking genocidal goiter with hair & teeth
if this piece of shit showed up in my neighborhood I'd shove him in a garbage pail and throw it off the nearest cliff
I'm embarrassed to have even saved his pic for this thread I'm gonna immediately delete it after I post this

What do you think of him, /leftypol/?
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 No.485917

The reality is there was some truth in Great Replacement mythos and Starmer straight up admitted that in his immigration state address yesterday.
My theory has long been that shitlib leftists and Neolibs, have extreme outgroup bias, this means the average liberal and leftist, literally hates white people.
You see that so much with attitudes from shitlibs when talking about white people/native UK/European cultures and you think they are being dumb and histeronic, but what if that actually was forced through as a policy agenda, and that is literally how I think the left came to support open borders, which is generally a very right wing idea, pushed by big corpos and Libertarians and massively opposed historically by Leftists and organised labour. Just seeing the state of the UK, how much of a disaster current immigration policies are and how the left is still so blinkered about Immigration and still talk down on white Britons like they are absolute fucking shit, not to mention the clear attempt to rewrite British history as "black history" and how they basically dont even have white people in commercials anymore or as leads on British dramas. It's hard to come to any other conclusion. For capitalists tho, mass migration is clearly done for various reasons
>Propping up housing Ponzi scheme through artificially increasing GDP through immigration, thus keeping rates artificially low.
>High immigration/diversity = low trust, and low trust societies are less likely to organise and make demands. Ethnic tensions can also be used to tear apart coalitions like we saw the Jewish community use Idpol and Labours Muslim support to kill the Labour left.
>High immigration = more pressure on wages through competition creating deflation. This is why unions call immigrant labour "scab labour".
>>485909
One of the most bizarre aspects of UK immigration. Why is it near impossible to immigrate from Canada, Australia etc oh have 30k in savings, oh pay 10k for the NHS, oh pay 10k in fees, rejected no refunds fuck you. Where if you immigrate from the Carribbean or Pakistan or India, you are basically railroaded right in, put in a council flat and put on 20k of bennies a year? Wtf?
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 No.485919

>>485917
>shitlib leftists and Neolibs, have extreme outgroup bias
They are just ultra-conformists with no moral principles. They want to be "good" people and the media tells them that "good" people support reckless immigration and the ukraine war and vaccines and masks and lockdowns and "trans rights" and BLM and all the other current thing.

>Propping up housing Ponzi scheme through artificially increasing GDP through immigration, thus keeping rates artificially low.

Immigration adds artificial demand on housing, especially when the government is using taxes stolen from workers to pay for the immigrant housing. They don't need an excuse to keep interest rates low and nobody cares about madeup government numbers like GDP and CPI.

>High immigration/diversity = low trust

You can't have economic growth when people are too busy worrying about getting raped and murdered by 3rd world savages they don't have time to work and consume. Not to mention what's the point of working hard to buy nice things when a uyghur is just going to steal it from you and the police does nothing because they don't want to be called racist. If anything this is an argument for why the goal of mass immigration is to destroy capitalism.

>High immigration = more pressure on wages through competition creating deflation

These immigrants are not working though. We don't have sweatshops or coalmines to cram them into and extract value from them. What the fuck do you think a gang of 70lq somalis who don't speak english are going to do in an advanced western economy? The only reason they are here is because the government is giving them free food and housing. There is no capitalist justification for this. Capitalism would throw them their bodies into a furnace for fuel.
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 No.485920

>>485919
>shitlib leftists and Neolibs, have extreme outgroup bias
<They are just ultra-conformists with no moral principles.
They are the exact same people who would have extreme ingroup bias if they lived in 1930s Germany.
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 No.485925

>>485909
>I don't see them working.
Are you really this stupid?

The idea that immigrants don't work is one of the weirdest lies people keep repeating until folks believe it. What, do you follow every one of these people around? It's so bizarre. It's like you think they order these fucking people off Amazon and they were all made in a factory and they're all exactly the same.

Most immigrants do work, and the cheap labor is the single biggest large-scale problem.

>>485917
>Where if you immigrate from the Carribbean or Pakistan or India, you are basically railroaded right in, put in a council flat and put on 20k of bennies a year? Wtf?
Maybe you're confused because the thing you're assuming is happening in this paragraph is not actually what is happening.

>My theory has long been that shitlib leftists and Neolibs, have extreme outgroup bias, this means the average liberal and leftist, literally hates white people.

Or maybe it's Santa Claus & his team of Christmas Gremlins doing it to piss you off personally. Did you ever think of that?

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 No.485926

>>485919
>They are just ultra-conformists with no moral principles. They want to be "good" people and the media tells them that "good" people support reckless immigration
>source: a strawman the media gave me

>Immigration adds artificial demand on housing,

So do landlords buying up & holding land & buildings lol. You don't actually need an extra supply of people to increase housing demand or reduce supply. The necessity of immigrants to land speculation schemes is pretty questionable, you're both putting forth explanations which don't hold up particularly well, immigrants are not necessary to inflate land prices.

>If anything this is an argument for why the goal of mass immigration is to destroy capitalism.

… with influxes of cheap labor and an inundation of the public with divisive idpol narratives which frame neoliberal foreign policy & economic policy as a culture clash between races rather than as the will of the rich being imposed upon everyone else?
This is an old, old playbook.

>These immigrants are not working though.

>source: I made it up


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 No.485914[Reply]

When do we start hunting down and executing liberals?
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 No.485915

Please stop reading r/worldnews unless you want propaganda brainrot or an ulcer.
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 No.485916

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When you stop sucking uyghur dick OP.
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 No.485944

B really careful wh@ you wish 4, sweaty. You don't perchance like the concept of "nation", do you?

2bpbbb


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 No.484932[Reply]

Was Saddam Hussein a socialist? If he is a socialist, what is the evidence/proof of this?
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 No.484934

>>484932
I think he might have been part of the Baathists (not sure how that's spelled) which is usually considered Arab socialism.

When the neocons did the Iraq war around 2003, he kinda was trying to spend oil revenue on social programs and economic development. That is standard socialist doctrine for resource rich countries, but also not that different from bourgeois national liberation. It kinda looks like that might have triggered the neocon war because the imperial system wanted to keep Iraq as an undeveloped resource extraction unit. Not sure, there's other potential explanations that also make sense.

There is a peculiar footnote of history. I think Saddam also hired a famous American engineer to design and build absolutely giant cannons that could potentially reach Israel. He was buying lots of massive machined metal cylinder segments, which kinda raised some eyebrows. The engineer guy was mainly interested in building mass-drivers for catapulting bulk material into low earth orbit, and this was the only available big-ass-cannon-gig. The CIA or some other 3-letter agency had him assassinated, probably.

I think the Soviets may also have supported Saddam at some point, which is kinda weird, so maybe they thought he was socialist.

TLDR maybe not sure
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 No.484938

>>484932
No.

>>484934
He was Baath, but actual-existing Baath is more like a form of Arab nationalism. I think Saddam operated a kind of heavily-regulated mixed economy. Baathism was nominally socialist, but so is India.

>There is a peculiar footnote of history. I think Saddam also hired a famous American engineer to design and build absolutely giant cannons that could potentially reach Israel. He was buying lots of massive machined metal cylinder segments, which kinda raised some eyebrows. The engineer guy was mainly interested in building mass-drivers for catapulting bulk material into low earth orbit, and this was the only available big-ass-cannon-gig. The CIA or some other 3-letter agency had him assassinated, probably.

Vid related.

>I think the Soviets may also have supported Saddam at some point, which is kinda weird, so maybe they thought he was socialist.

The US and UK supported him too.
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 No.485898

He was a socialist but he wasn’t a communist. His Iraq was essentially a planned economy and was allied with the USSR before Gorby destroyed it.
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 No.485945

Another nutsoy, yes.

<485898

>succialism is when muh nazion with corporate planned peoples' commodity production economy-
Wall, lassaloid.


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 No.485776[Reply]

Yep, I live in that chaotic land

I'm not ncessarily a zionist, I'm questioning a lot of stuff about the conflict myself because I was brainwashed since age 0, but I can't be open about it for obvious reasos.
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 No.485806

>>485800
>but individual people from there can still be decent
I doubt it tbqh, just look at OP's wording of "not necessarily being a zionist". As if they're still on the fence a little bit.
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 No.485819

>>485776
Hello Op,
First, I want to express my gratitude for sharing your perspective on the situation. I completely understand your concerns about revealing your story. As part of my volunteer efforts, I assist individuals like you in sharing their experiences safely and comfortably. While I may not have the full context of your situation, I'd like to offer some advice. You're welcome to email me for further assistance—I've provided my contact details in the /edu/ thread.
I can see that you're apprehensive about your safety, especially considering your location in Israel. It’s essential to keep that in mind when you consider what to share. Israel has a robust surveillance system, so caution is key if you're discussing sensitive matters online. Here are some steps you can take to communicate more securely:
1. Avoid using your cellphone for any sensitive communications, as your government may monitor it.
2. If possible, use the TOR network with a dedicated Linux distribution like Tails, Qubes, or Whonix.
◦ Make sure to disable JavaScript in the TOR settings when feasible.
◦ You can also access Leftychan through a TOR address for added security.
3. If TOR isn't an option, select a strong and reputable VPN service running on a stable Linux distro.
◦ When obtaining the VPN, do it anonymously and consider using a public Wi-Fi network for an extra layer of privacy. ProtonVPN is a good choice, as they offer a free version.
If you need further assistance, please don't hesitate to reach out to me via email as mentioned in the edu thread or the link above.
Best of luck, and thank you!
– Commie-tech –
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 No.485821

https://leftychan.net/leftypol/src/1686091835166.pdf
What do you think of this? Does it contradict the narrative you were raised with?
Do you actually believe in negation of the diaspora and all the other Zionist ubermench sabra bullshit?
Is it well known in Israel that Masada was literally the result of Sicarii literally murdering and pillaging the wider Jewish community? It's bizarre that Israel's foundational historical heroes in Zionist mythology were literally mass murdering, criminal psychopaths in reality right?
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 No.485826

>>485791
Das right, brotha. ϟemiteϟ of all sorts shall be cleansed from th@ shithole marxallah. Communism aint free & shiet uygha
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 No.485895

>>485790
>Why even make the thread?
I think he means to other Israelis.


 No.483788[Reply]

From Democracy Now!:
After nearly two decades of obstruction by the U.S. military, The New Yorker has obtained and published 10 photos of the aftermath of the 2005 Haditha massacre, when U.S. marines killed 24 Iraqi civilians in revenge for an IED bombing that killed a service member. The graphic images show dead Iraqi men, women and children, many of them shot in the head at close range. The victims ranged in age from 3 to 76. Release of the photos came only after producers of the investigative podcast In the Dark sued the Navy, the Marine Corps and U.S. Central Command to force them to turn over the photos and other records. "What the photos clearly show is that these were innocent people who do not appear to be doing anything threatening at the time of their deaths," says Madeleine Baran, host and lead reporter of the podcast. Four marines were charged for the killings, but the charges were dismissed in three cases, and the last ended with a plea deal that did not result in a single day in prison. Baran says the survivors of the massacre, who cooperated with producers to get the photos released, are still waiting for justice. "What they want is the world to know what happened to their family, to know that their family were good people, not insurgents, and they want justice," she says.
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 No.485811

>>484041
So if a population of a country that is actively engaged in genocide do nothing to overthrow their government, how are they innocent again?
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 No.485830

>>485811
Plenty of national governments are actively engaged in genocide while oppressing their own populace
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 No.485831

>>483798
Libtard slave moralist much? It’s not the job of communists to complain about humanitarian issues, it’s just to destroy capital. Nobody cares about how many people died from starvation or deliberate killing from particular states such as America or Israel other than petty bourgeois leftoid moralfags. Your type of thinking and what you’re complaining of it’s just the natural and plain logic of the Westphalian and bourgeois nation state, and as a Communist you are not allowed to follow this kind of one-sided libtard logical reasoning
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 No.485832

>>485831
>It’s not the job of communists to complain about humanitarian issues
Yes it is. Why do you want a better economic system then?

>it’s just to destroy capital

Destroy capitalism, maybe but it's to appropriate capital for proletariat purposes, not to destroy it.

Not sure what the point of your retarded post is tbh.
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 No.485834

>>485832
It's 100% a "hello fellow communists" op.


 No.479948[Reply]

Manila: Protesters rallied against American presence in the Philippines on Tuesday as US Secretary of State Antony Blinken visited Manila to reinforce support against Chinese influence in the region.

The Philippines is Washington’s key security partner in Asia under a decades-long alliance, which allows the US to rotate troops into the Philippines for extended stays and build and operate facilities on Philippine military bases.

In the past two years, the partnership has expanded under President Ferdinand Marcos Jr., who in February last year permitted American troops to increase their footprint in the country.

China claims the disputed area almost in entirety and its military activity in the territory has been increasing, regularly encroaching on the Philippine part of the waters, the West Philippine Sea.

“These waterways are critical to the Philippines, to its security, to its economy, but they’re also critical to the interests of the region, the United States and the world,” Blinken said at a joint press conference with his Philippine counterpart Enrique Manalo.

“That’s why we stand with the Philippines and stand by our ironclad defense commitments, including under the mutual defense treaty.”

The 1951 agreement obliges the US to defend its ally in the case of external attack.

Philippine vessels have been regularly attacked by Chinese ships in the parts of the South China Sea that are internationally recognized as belonging to the Philippines.
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 No.479959

>>479951
I mean, they elected another Marcos, so… that's at least equally baffling.
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 No.479989

>>479959
yeah i would not necessarily blame that on Filipino people because you know how difficult it is to get reformers elected that prioritize the needs of the masses, especially when there's a big super-power putting its thumb on the scale.
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 No.480076

>>479950
The US elites learned lessons of Vietnam war too well. Wars go much smoothier if the coffins arrive to another country instead of yours.
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 No.480080

>>480076
You're hinting at the Ukraine proxy war ? While there are few coffins coming back from that war, it's not going smooth either.
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 No.485818

More shit going down, it sounds like:
https://x.com/agent_of_change/status/1859952119366684943

US defense secretary Lloyd Austin revealed yesterday the existence of the "US Task Force Ayungin", a military unit in the Philippines that has never been publicly acknowledged before.

Austin said he "met with some American service members deployed to US Task Force Ayungin" and that he "thanked them for their hard work on behalf of the American people and our alliances and partnerships in this region".

US troops are providing "guidance and training" to the Philippine military, supposedly in response to Chinese aggression.


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 No.485632[Reply]

If Trump keeps making good decisions like these, I don't give a fuck who calls themself right or left.

RFK Jr. actually cares about making America healthy, which is it it's #1 or #2 issue overall. Nice fucking decision. Made me happy.
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 No.485794

>>485792
>>485793
As a matter of fact, I'd say it goes well beyond the typical expectation of something unable to provide direct sources, providing considerable write-ups about the methods, results, and conclusions of each individual study. Not only is any greater expectation an unreasonable critique of any professional review, but it's also still not an argument against the sources themselves. If anon has a dispute with the methodology or findings of these studies, they should present their case. Perhaps they'd even like to assert that the sources are being misrepresented, or that there are more, higher quality studies demonstrating the opposite conclusion. Many arguments are possible, but attacking the messenger is not one of them.
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 No.485803

>>485793
>Every one of them has a clear description with abstract and a link.

okay, so you've actually gone and read them all right?
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 No.485814

>>485793
No they don't he's just a lying fag.

The studies in question have been refuted for decades. The sample sizes where people were found to be sick from floride injestion were 2 - 3x the normal intake of floride in the water supply. Then these charlatan like rfk said "ah ha! that is how i'll make money scaring the population by claiming this quack study says floride causes cancer!" You are a fucking retard.
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 No.485817

>>485814
>The studies in question have been refuted for decades.
Half of these studies aren't even a decade old.

>2 - 3x the normal intake of floride in the water supply.

Finally a point with some substance to engage with. While it's true this is the nature of design for most of these studies (it would be unethical to expose people deliberately to various levels of a neurotoxin just to cover the entire spectrum), neurotoxins usually don't have a "safe level" where nothing happens–it just becomes harder to detect the effect. Because fluoride accumulates in the body in various places over time (much like lead), it's reasonable to assume a cumulative effect on developmental impairments. It's important to note that even naturally occurring fluoride in some water sources can be higher than the typically additive fluoridation level. Finally, keep in mind that tap water fluoride isn't the only source of exposure.

The U.S. National Toxicology Program commissioned a 7-year systematic review on fluoride neurotoxicity that came to a similar conclusion:
<This review finds, with moderate confidence, that higher estimated fluoride exposures (e.g., as in approximations of exposure such as drinking water fluoride concentrations that exceed the World Health Organization Guidelines for Drinking-water Quality of 1.5 mg/L of fluoride) are consistently associated with lower autism score in children. The moderate confidence in the inverse association between fluoride exposure and children’s autism score is based primarily on studies with estimated fluoride exposures higher than what is generally associated with consumption of optimally fluoridated water in the United States. Associations between lower total fluoride exposure [e.g., as in approximations of exposure such as drinking water fluoride concentrations that were lower than the WHO Guidelines for Drinking-water Quality of 1.5 mg/L of fluoride (WHO 2017)] and children’s autism score remain unclear. However, because people receive fluoride from multiple sources (not just drinking water), individuals living in areas with optimally fluoridated water can have total fluoride exposures higher than the concentration of their drinking water. In addition, there are people living in the United States who liPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


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How did genderism and transgenders become associated with and straight up completely dominate the left? They're regressive ideals. When I was growing up, I was advocating that people should be free to express themselves no matter their sex. I thought it was the progressive consensus at the time. Now they push for identitarianism and I myself frequently suffered abuse at their hands as an androgynous intersex gay man being strongly pushed not only to identify as a woman (because men are le bad(? - I think anyway)) but also pressured to claim to be attracted to female sex characteristics if the owners didn't claim to identify as women, which would be quickly called homophobic and therefore a bigotry in the past but now is being pushed and homosexuals are called bigots for being homosexual.

The 'leftist' politicians no longer even seem to do anything but peddle the culture war focused on gender, especially transgenderism. The liberals don't even seem to believe in it, they just peddle it, with the new man vs woman divide being mostly men vs non-men but when it comes down to it they divide it as 'amab' vs 'afab'.

There are many issues disproportionely affecting men, but no one speaks about it on the left anyway, no one acknowledges many female privileges which become extremely prelavent when the society is struggling: they don't give a fuck about the huge amount of homeless men, how women avoid sentences and get far less harsh sentences (I work in a prison and everyone here speaks of it and it is materially very blatant), how women's wellbeing both physical and mental are prioritised while men's frequently targetted with the aim of making them worse; how in spite of all the alleged progress men are still fully expected to provide and suck all up; the unnamed androcides which are falsely called 'wars' and so much more.

This isn't to even mention how worldwide collectively male genital mutilation is widely encouraged, misnamed to a 'circumcision', but also including nearly all intersex people who will be operated on to make their genitals appear female, no matter the price (health, chronic pain and so much more) - I myself fell a victim a few months ago when a surgeon during a surgery on my urethra decided to perform a partial vaginoplasty without my consent and hide behind my intersex disease claiming it was needed even though I didn't have a vagina and I cannot even fathom how one could rule making one could ever be medically necessaPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>485715
It seems like you're deliberately misreading my post out of some emotional, identarian attachment to a word. That's fine but you should really try to understand that terminology in biology (or any other hard science) is about removing emotions and subjectivity, in order to describe an aspect of the natural world in the most precise and consistent way possible. Precise and consistent language is key in exchanging ideas and testing hypotheses. In biology we do not use intersex to refer to disorders of sexual development, we use it to refer to a widespread aspect of a species' biology that exists because natural selection deemed it to have some kind of fitness advantage.
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 No.485717

>>485716
You're literally just making a delusional semantic argument based on a fantasy idea of biology.

Nothing I say is identitarian; I'm dealing in the objective facts, and that is that this has been the terminology for longer than there's been any kind of retarded "debate" around it. You are basing your disingenuous argument in an ahistorical lie, which is so steeped in contemporary culture war nonsense that you literally refuse to process any fact which contradicts it.

>In biology we do not use intersex to refer to disorders of sexual development,

And yet it's used that way in medicine, and it has been used that way in medicine for longer than you've been alive. Even if your claim that it's not used that way in human biology was correct (and your claim is clearly not), you are in no position whatsoever to lecture anyone about terminology when another hard science, which applies to human medical conditions rather than those of other species (and the author of this thread was, importantly, a human) uses it in the way you claim it isn't used.

>natural selection deemed it to have some kind of fitness advantage.

This also isn't how natural selection works. This is remarkably spooked language coming from someone claiming to be a "biologist" when the reality is that evolution proceeds as incremental mutations which only gradually lead to broadly shared traits. There is no way whatsoever of deciding definitively in a single lifetime whether certain mutations in a species have a functional purpose, and to the contrary we see intersex conditions appearing in the human race over and over again for the entire course of human history. There is no sentient natural selection to appeal to here - it is a largely random force which only makes sense when looked at as a historical process, and if you try to establish that it ""deems"" anything to be a fitness advantage, you'll find that it regularly replicates traits which you yourself would try to define rigidly as disorders. It's magical thinking to assume that evolution, in spite of all evidence, can always be separated neatly into disorders vs. a normal orderly course of progress. Natural selection isn't some guy who decides what stays or goes, it's a process defined after-the-fact by humans observing traits shaped by centPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>485717
>and it has been used that way in medicine for longer than you've been alive
And it has been used in the study of arthropods in a much clearer defined way for an order of magnitude longer than that. Sociology is a very recent appropriation of the term. I find it especially hilarious that you tried to support your case with a Wikipedia link, when right in the very article they direct you to an alternate article, "Intersex (biology)", in clear acknowledgement that it's a distinct concept in biology. Even Wikipedians agree that it needs to have a separate article to delineate it from your imprecise co-opting of the term in sociology.

>pseudointellectual screed about evolution

Seems we've hit on an insecurity here. There are in fact many ways to establish the selective advantage of a given trait in a population, especially where it occurs in large numbers and you can measure it across generations (unlike for example exceptionally rare disorders found in human populations). Another fun fact about intersex conditions in animal populations: unlike humans with disorders of sexual development, the animals presenting intersex traits are generally not sterile. That is how they persist across generations.
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 No.485737

>How did genderism and transgenders become associated with and straight up completely dominate the left?
1: Western Leftist isn't based on Materialism, but is very much an "outcast" counter-culture that ranks heiarchy based on "oppression". This means leftist spaces find it near impossble to gatekeep against crazies, if those crazies check certain oppression boxes. This is easily manipulated by malicious power hungry types, for decades the black and muslim community who would use the left for their own idpol agendas then stab the left immediately in the back the moment they sniffed power or money, now it's the LGBT community.
2: Modern LGBT movement is essentially Narcissism the movement, and 98% of Transgenderism is viciously Narcissistic Cluster B fuelled AGP and extremely thin skinned autists who think playing a girl is life on "easy mode". Being terminally online, while also pushing all the right oppression boxes, and being experts in tumblr woo academia woke speak and manipulation of statistics and victim narrative, Troons literally took over the entire online left, completely silenced and purged anyone who even just dared questioned their clearly horseshit, delusional claims and mass gaslighting. I mean, look at the "Trans genocide" claims and then realise, Trans people literally have some of the lowest rates of abuse, hate crimes or crime against them of any demographic. Troons a near equal to Zionists in the sheer ability to crybully and spout memorized hasbara horseshit.
This also flows into real life orgs due to number 1, throw on the fact that LGBT today is also the compelte Vanguard force of modern Liberalism and most Western leftists are shitlibs, this means nobody can really stand against them.
To understand how absolutely pathetically dogshit troons are at debating, look at this Trans rights activist just completely fall apart from being asked basic questions and some light pushback against their questionable logic
https://x.com/DouglasSpaeder/status/1852414050145292795
This is why Troonies always scream "TERF" and try ban literally anyone who even dares question some of their logic, because there really is no material coherent basis. It's completely incoherent horseshit and literally based on metaphysical feels.
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>>485715
> I was probably reading the ISNA's site before you were even born,


people often learn about things years after it happens.
People can be ignoranr of phenomenom or terms that have been around since their prime.

Chances are, the peron youre arguing with could be as old or older.


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