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 No.489218[Reply]

Where the hell is the Chinese version of a color revolution in the US? Why haven't socialist states like the USSR persued regime change and propaganda in the USA? Why aren't hackers working 24/7 trying to get compromising material on US officials?

America first of all can't do it alone. We fucking need help. And second, propaganda and sending agents to orgamize against the capitalist government is way more cost effective than arming up to the teeth (which these states are already doing).
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>>489300
Well it might be lasers but there are other forms of suitable energy too. I didn't know "directed energy" was already a marketing buzzword. I thought i was just using a non-specific term. I'm feeling a bit perplexed, all the existing energy weapons are sort of just technology tests, why would they need marketing before they have wares to sell ?

>>489301
You are right that it's still possible to over-saturate these, but you can't really deplete any interceptor ammunition. I do think that it eventually be cheaper to scale generators and emitter arrays than missile batteries.

I don't know why you think that intercepting automatically means detonating the warhead.
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>>489302
>I don't know why you think that intercepting automatically means detonating the warhead.
That's not necessarily my point. An adversary on the other side of the planet might intentionally detonate some of their warheads in the upper atmosphere to generate an EMP and knock out ground infrastructure if they have a feeling that a lot of their warheads might get intercepted anyway. The range of EMPs is easy to underestimate and might end up harming the adversary too (so would nuclear winter), but anything goes in MAD.
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>>489303
>An adversary on the other side of the planet might intentionally detonate some of their warheads in the upper atmosphere to generate an EMP and knock out ground infrastructure if they have a feeling that a lot of their warheads might get intercepted anyway.
I can't answer this off the top of my head. I'm not sure what the effective range of an EMP would be when knocking out a energy-weapon-array. Not sure how to estimate that given the broad range of possible designs for energy-weapon-arrays.

But you bring up a valid point.
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>>489305
Self-contained military installations typically have shielding to protect against EMPs. It's the entire rest of the civilian infrastructure that doesn't because it's impractical. The target of an EMP wouldn't be a hypothetical laser/maser array likely shielded against this sort of thing, it would be civilians just like targeting a city with a nuke is.
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 No.489308

>>489306
So what you are getting at, is that you think intercepting nukes is not worth it because there's always EMPs. Not sure if I agree with that.


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 No.488544[Reply]

Retards here have been claiming an imminent stock market crash for almost 10 years straight.

But it looks like this time we might actually get a crash this time because the Republicans seem to like crashing the market in their second terms.

And it does seem like Trump and his advisors are trying to crash the market.

Either that or Trump's economic advisors are just stupid.
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>>488687
Such a pretty color
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How long will MAGAtards keep defending this imbecile?
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>>488700
Some people will do it forever.
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 No.489256

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Due Dissidence: US Ports GOING EMPTY As Tariff Effects HIT HOME


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 No.489069[Reply]

>LibRight: "Corporate tyranny is better"
>AuthLeft: "State tyranny is better"
>LibLeft: "Mob tyranny is better"
>AuthRight: "All of the above are great"
>centrists: "All tyranny should be done in moderation"
Why do we have to choose? Can't we have individualism without corporate tyranny, socialism without state tyranny and democracy without mob tyranny? Why do we always have to sell our liberty to some institution? Why can't we have all the good stuff without all the bad stuff? Have modern ancoms forgotten their individualist roots? Have they forgotten about Bakunin, Goldman and Malatesta? What kind of libertarianism is this if you have to obey the corporations or the majority?

Look, our Matrix server already has elements of consensus democracy, it can work. The more we rebel and split the closer we get to anarchism. So I don't understand why we always sacrifice one freedom for another in politics (except the AuthRight bootlickers, they're obsessed with order and control).
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>>489227
>If ancient states in Egypt and West Asia predate capitalist relations, that doesn’t make them “antagonistic” to capital
No, it's the fact that rulers in Egypt and middle eastern states regularly went after the finance capital class with debt amnesty proclamations. That's what made them antagonistic to capital. Protecting their population from losing everything including their freedom to the accumulation of creditors. This tradition lasted over a thousand years until the Bronze Age collapse, far longer than capitalism has even been around today.
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 No.489237

>>489234
>You're a reactionary, got it.
Please, spare me these hissy fits. This word is used by radlibs just as often in a way that's just as meaningless.
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>>489235
There was no “finance capitalist class” in Bronze Age Egypt or Mesopotamia. Only temple/palace creditors and local merchants. Jubilee laws managed primitive accumulation under tributary/slave regimes, preserving free peasants for taxes, labor, and military service.

Debt amnesties were state tools to stabilize class relations, not evidence of states “against capital.” Capitalist finance relies on interest‑bearing money and abstract capital features absent until the late medieval and early modern periods.

Ancient debt relief regulated class exploitation; it didn’t oppose or negate capital in the modern sense.
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>>489239
>Capitalist finance relies on interest‑bearing money and abstract capital features absent until the late medieval and early modern periods.
You seem to be engaging in some very fine pedantry here. If by "capitalist finance" you mean "finance for industrial capital", then fine, OK, that particular thing is obviously exclusive to the economic system that displaced feudalism and which we are currently living through. "Finance capital" on the other hand is simply any time a loan is given with interest. It predates industrial capital (the form of capital that actually established capitalism) by several thousand years and in fact it even predates the invention of currency. Throughout the history of civilization there has existed both a class of people whose primary occupation is living off rent and a class of people who needed to take out loans from them to get by. The word class is appropriate here because their interests often worked together and in opposition to other classes in society. They didn't need to wait until capitalism to invent themselves or their respective class conflicts.

You should read Michael Hudson's work on this subject, while there are some rulers who simply wanted to stabilize their society by freeing people from debt bondage, there are also some pretty clear-cut instances of both ancient and classical/medieval rulers going to war against the creditor class because they saw them as a threat to their own rule.
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>>489241
There is a distinct qualitative difference between pre-capitalist usury and modern finance capital, it's not pedantry.

His work seems interesting but he's a reformist.


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 No.488634[Reply]

If you are not posting on 4chan you are failing as a leftist in the most fundemental way possible. Right now there is a huge opportunity to use the market crash and consequential recession that is coming to turn a lot of dissolusioned right wingers over to our side. To the side of truth, reason and sanity. I post on /b/ at the very least when a thread comes up revolving around trump and go on pol daily. We have to be where they are. We cannot just keep sequestering ourselves off in our hug boxes all the time. You have to be posting on 4chan as well.
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>>489124
I think you have to work to better your self and avoid your tendency to use ostracizing language against your fellow leftists.
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>>489174
We use the words "uyghur" and "anarkiddie" here all the time so you getting offended by me calling MLs "tankies" is just hypocritical really.
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 No.489188

>>489174
Maybe you have to work on yourself to stop letting these words offend you, though, I mean, I get your perspective. Me personally, it;s a matter of time and place,

This place, however, is leftychan.
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>>489133
You don't start threads unless you know the local board culture, you argue in their threads

Idiots, now go do your two years tour of duty on /pol/ so you too can wear the tankie flag and swear that Stalin did nothing wrong except being too kind and merciful
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>>489133
>Like look at Sigmarxism. Why in fuck does that even exist?
Holy Redditor. We have threads for such niche topics here, quit social media.


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 No.487384[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

One Year of Genocide

Continued from >>484995

Updates since the start of the last thread:
The (largely civilian) Palestinian death toll has now passed 61,000. Excess deaths have been estimated by The Lancet to plausibly be upwards of 186,000.

In early January 2025, Israel agreed to a ceasefire in Gaza and a prisoner exchange. Despite all of the killing, Hamas's military wing, the Al-Qassam Brigades, appears to have largely replenished its numbers, and threw parades celebrating the exchange. The ceasefire is on terms Hamas had already agreed to in May 2024.

Following Hezbollah strikes on Tel Aviv, a ceasefire in Lebanon was agreed to on November 27th. Israel proceeded to violate this ceasefire more than 600 times, and has refused to leave the country at the agreed-upon 60 day deadline, prompting unarmed civilians to stage protests and drive them out of parts of south Lebanon.

Lebanese Army leader Joseph Aoun was elected president of Lebanon.

Syrian president Bashar al-Assad was overthrown by US-backed al-Qaeda operatives. Israel proceeded to steal more land from Syria and launched a massive bombing campaign on Syria and Syria's arsenal without any resistance.

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Houthis says they targeted ‘vital and military’ sites in Tel Aviv

Houthis said in addition to “vital and military” sites in Tel Aviv, the group also carried out a military operation targeting a US aircraft carrier called Vinson in the Arabian Sea.

The operation was conducted with “a number of drones”, the group said.

There has been no immediate comment from Israel on the purported firings.

The Houthis have been carrying out attacks in what they say is a show of solidarity with Palestinians in Gaza, promising to keep up their strikes until Israel ends its war.

The US, Israel’s top ally, has responded with a campaign of aerial bombings against Yemen that have killed many people across the country. A recent strike hit a migrant detention centre in the Saada governorate, killing dozens.

Survivor describes US attack on Yemen migrant facility

“The planes struck close by twice. The third time they hit us.”
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Activist ship with 30 people on board sinking after drone attack near Malta

Earlier, we reported that an Israeli military drone has reportedly attacked a vessel with the Freedom Flotilla activist group as it set off to break Israel’s Gaza blockade and deliver aid to the besieged enclave.

Yasemin Acar, a media officer with the group, has now told CNN there is a “hole in the vessel” and the “ship is sinking”.

Acar said the ship was attacked off the coast of Malta in international waters, and it is now anchored 17km (10.5 miles) from the country. The crew has “sent out SOS calls to the surrounding countries” and a “small boat” from Cyprus has been sent to help, she added.

“We have 30 international human rights activists on that vessel at this very moment, on a vessel that is sinking,” said Acar.

Posting on X, the group said a drone attacked the ship twice at 00:23 Maltese time on Friday morning (22:23 GMT on Thursday night), breaching the hull and causing a fire to break out on board.

Israeli missile strike on children’s playground leaves 8-year-old paralysed

Eight-year-old Palestinian girl, Rehab, was on a playground swing in Gaza when an Israeli missile attack left half her body paralysed.
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Video from the Freedom Flotilla boat drone bombed by Israel.
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>>489190
What did they think was going to happen sailing unarmed to Israel, a country committing genocide?
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>>489194
Freedom Flotilla activists have been attacked by Israel before. They knew what they were getting into.


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 No.488827[Reply]

How much do you agree with Peter Coffin's main thesis that "The left" these days basically does not functionally exist in any real materialist fashion, and what presents itself as the ""left"" is mostly a consumerist "fandom" not all that different from people who are Star Wars fans or Trekkies or 40k nerds etc and that much of the ""Left"" actually end up purpetuating Capitalism, Capitalist goals and the system, by just draping red over largely Neoliberal positions. He brings up how BLM funnelled billionare money to rich liberal NGOs and how "Land Back" movement is trademarked and run by a Real Estate agency who want to privatize public lands and National Parks.
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>>489042
>Peter Coffin used to be ultra-radlib defending le sex workerinos against "SWERFs" back in the day.
Based. SWERFs and TERFs belong in ovens.
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>>489125
Tone it down Adolf, we're not putting anybody into ovens.
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>>489042
Many radlibs are SWERFs tbh. If radlibs think men are rapists then why should they defend sex work?
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 No.489192

Peter is by far the best of the "breadtube" crowd. I've never heard a take from him, these days that I wouldn't largely agree with. He really came into his own explaining how the current left doesn't actually exist, nor do any "leftists" have any real understanding of how the average normie thinks or what they want.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyRiJYdgUuo
This was one of his videos that stuck in my mind, with how something so simple, obvious and popular, was like, complete anathema to most of the "left" who went into meltdown over it and even started shitting on working class people for something this simple to work. Shock horror to most freak show BPD leftists, the average person likes charismatic, fun interactions.
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 No.489226

>>489125
>Kill people that acknowledge biological women and trans women are different
>Kill people that believe that the conditions that produce sex work shouldn't exist


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 No.489163[Reply]>>489171

What are you doing to celebrate International Worker's Day?
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 No.489171

>>489163
This is completely ignored in Canada, I had no idea about today.
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 No.489172

Going about my regular daily routine. Nothing's happening here today :(
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 No.489183

https://x.com/PeoplesForumNYC/status/1917991848632558040
🚨BREAKING: Protesters march in the streets of NYC for May Day standing with Palestine and with workers across the world!
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took time off work to take a road trip.
It was planned, but, fuck it.
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>>489187
Hell yeah where to?


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Al-Qassam video depicts rescue of Israeli captives from IOF bombing in Gaza
The Al-Qassam Brigades, the military wing of Hamas, released a video on Saturday, April 26, which showed its fighters rescuing Israeli captives after the Israeli Occupation Forces (IOF) shelled the tunnel, where they were held in the besieged Gaza strip.
https://peoplesdispatch.org/2025/04/28/al-qassam-video-depicts-rescue-of-israeli-captives-from-iof-bombing-in-gaza/

Palestinian March of Return cancelled for first time in decades due to Israeli threats
Such conditions included limiting the number of attendees to 700 people while tens of thousands usually participate in the event, and a ban on raising the Palestinian flag. The police also threatened to infiltrate the march to enforce restrictions and to deploy a drone over participants, Jabareen said.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/palestinian-march-return-cancelled-first-time-decades-israeli-threats

With a new mobilisation bill, is Algeria gearing up for war?
The bill draws upon Article 99 of the Algerian Constitution, which allows the president to initiate "mobilisation" (meaning, military conscription) after consulting with the High Security Council and parliamentary leaders.
https://www.newarab.com/news/algeria-gearing-war-new-mobilisation-bill

DR Congo, Rwanda agree to draft peace deal by May 2
The United States brought the two countries’ foreign ministers together and voiced an interest in investment in the DRC’s turbulent but mineral-rich east, where fighting between DRC forces and M23 rebels has intensified since January. The M23 has captured key cities in the east in a campaign that has left thousands dead.
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Amazon denies tariff pricing plan after White House calls it "hostile and political"
Amazon now denies reports it planned to list how much tariffs increased products' prices after White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt slammed the move as a "hostile and political act."
https://www.axios.com/2025/04/29/tariffs-amazon-prime-day-sellers-report

Measles cases in Texas rise to 663, state health department says
The Texas health department reported 663 cases of measles in the state on Tuesday, an increase of 17 cases since April 25, as the U.S. battles one of its worst outbreaks of the childhood disease. Cases in Gaines County, the center of the outbreak, rose to 396, three more from its last update on Friday, the Texas Department of State Health Services said.
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/measles-cases-texas-rise-663-state-health-department-says-2025-04-29/

Supreme Court to hear case over FBI's mistaken home raid
The family was never compensated by the federal government for the damage or the trauma caused by the "wrong house" raid, according to ABC News. Martin's son developed anxiety. She quit her job coaching track because the starting gun scared her. In 2019, the family filed a lawsuit against the FBI under the Federal Tort Claims Act accusing the agency of trespass, assault and battery, emotional distress and more. The law allows individuals to sue government employees acting in their official capacity for some civil wrongs.
https://www.axios.com/local/atlanta/2025/04/29/supreme-court-fbi-raid-lawsuit

Dems Push for “Educational Gag Order” Over Palestine Lessons in California
They’re aiming to pass a law that curbs local school board control over ethnic studies curricula in response to classwork focusing on the history of Israel and Palestine that they say has promoted unprecedented bigotry against Jewish students.
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 No.489166

15 years of attacks on the working class and the popular strata of Greece
These days mark 15 years since the social-democratic PASOK government announced the activation of the “support mechanism” for the Greek economy by the EU and the IMF. This was followed by three agreements (memoranda) with the EU for the “salvation” of the Greek economy, accompanied by thousands of anti-people laws at the expense of the working class and the popular strata. We are talking about savage cuts in wages and pensions, heavy taxation, the dismantling of social security and collective agreements, a fierce attack on trade union action, the mass bankruptcy of the self-employed, small tradesmen and poor farmers, the privatization of critical sectors, the underfunding and shutdowns in health and education.
https://www.idcommunism.com/2025/04/15-years-of-attacks-on-working-class-and-popular-strata-of-greece.html

Anti-War Direct Action in Ukraine. What's New Since Winter?
Special thanks to our French comrades from the Solidarity Initiative Olga Taratuta in preparing this material In the second half of 2024, the Ukrainian army was moving towards a loss of combat capability and outright collapse at the front. Then, during the winter came a tightening of the screws in terms of discipline. The threat of a collapse on the frontline only loomed again when the US under the new Trump administration suspended military aid. The State Bureau of Investigation claims that about 21,100 fugitive military servicemen returned to the army thanks to a new law allowing them to avoid punishment for the first escape. The deadline for this expired on March 1. But even now, a criminal case for AWOL (absence without leave) will not be initiated if the period of absence is less than three days, and the soldier will not be deprived of pay. If the absence lasts for more than 3 days, a criminal case will be opened. It can be closed if the fighter ran away only for the first time and the commander allows him to continue serving.
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>>489164
>Google DeepMind UK staff move to unionise to challenge links to Israeli military
>Figures with knowledge of the organising spoke to the Financial Times and said approximately 300 employees inside Google DeepMind, the company's artificial intelligence London office, want to join the Communication Workers Union (CWU).

I wonder if this is motivated by genuine ethical concern, or because they can see the writing on the wall and want to bring some distance between them selves and Israel.
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>>489175
¯\_(ツ)_/¯


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Workers observe May Day with marches and demos under Trump tariffs shadow
The holiday, also known as International Workers’ Day or Labour Day, honours the struggles and achievements of workers and the labour movement. Rallies are expected across the US, as well, including in Chicago, Los Angeles, New York and Philadelphia. Across multiple countries, Trump’s agenda was cited as a source of concern.
https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2025/5/1/workers-observe-may-day-with-marches-and-demos-under-trump-tariffs-shadow
https://archive.ph/miUMA

Petro files labor referendum in Colombia’s Congress
Before the protocolary act in the capitol, Petro addressed thousands of protesters who had come to Bogota’s Bolivar Square to celebrate International Workers’ Day and demand Congress approve the referendum. Petro assured his opponents in Congress that “the people of Colombia will rise up and revoke them” in the 2026 elections if they vote against the referendum. “Not a single parliamentarian who vote against the referendum will be elected again in Colombia because nobody will vote for him,” said the president.
https://colombiareports.com/petro-files-labor-referendum-in-colombias-congress/

Thousands in Serbia mark six months since train station tragedy
Workers’ unions joined university students in Belgrade, Serbia’s capital, to demand changes in labour and strike laws as part of May Day protests. In the northern city of Novi Sad, residents left flowers and lit candles outside the central station, where tons of concrete crashed on the people standing or sitting underneath on November 1.
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/thousands-serbia-mark-six-months-train-station-tragedy

US and Ukraine sign deal giving US access to country’s valuable mineral wealth
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55,000 L.A. County workers have stopped working. Here’s what to expect
Until then, county residents are experiencing delays in an array of county services and departments, along with closures of parks, libraries and healthcare clinics. Law enforcement and first responder services will not be affected, according to county officials. Hospitals will remain open, The Times’ Rebecca Ellis reported Tuesday, though “wildfire beach debris cleanup may be paused [and] public service counters at the Hall of Administration could be shut down.”
https://www.latimes.com/california/newsletter/2025-04-30/55-000-l-a-county-workers-have-stopped-working-heres-what-to-expect
https://archive.ph/gbiuV

On May Day, UAW Members Launch Strike at Weapons Giant Lockheed Martin
Those striking include members of UAW Local 788 in Orlando and Local 766 in Denver, according to the union, which alleges that the company has committed "multiple unfair labor practices and refused to present a fair economic proposal that meets the membership's needs."
https://www.commondreams.org/news/united-auto-workers-lockheed-strike-may-day

Columbia student activist Mohsen Mahdawi freed from ICE detention
“To Trump and his cabinet: I am not afraid of you,” Mahdawi said upon release. “If we have faith in our beliefs, unshakeable beliefs, which is the belief that justice is inevitable, we will not fear anyone, because our fight is a fight for love, is a fight for democracy, is a fight for humanity.”
https://peoplesdispatch.org/2025/04/30/columbia-student-activist-mohsen-mahdawi-freed-from-ice-detention/

US government expands grounds for canceling international students’ legal status
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Against War, Exploitation and Fascism: Workers, Rise Up! Peoples, Resist! – TKP-ML May Day Statement
The imperialist-capitalist system is in the midst of one of the deepest crises in its history. The capitalist mode of production’s quest for continuity is leading, on the one hand, to growing social inequalities in imperialist countries and, on the other hand, to the deepening of brutal exploitation policies in colonial and semi-colonial countries. From the US to Germany, from Russia to China, the major imperialist powers are embroiled in a vortex of economic, political, and military hegemonic wars. The stagnation of capital accumulation, the shrinkage of markets and overproduction are sharpening the internal contradictions of the system. These contradictions are weaving the bloody ground for a new world order behind the facade of temporary “stability.”
https://abolitionmedia.noblogs.org/18756/

May Day 2025: Against Capitalist Crisis, Against Imperialist War! No War but the Class War!
May Day 2025 finds capitalism, no matter who’s in charge, drenching the world with the working class’s blood. It’s now 50 years since the end of capitalism’s post-war boom. After decades of declining profit rates in the “real economy” the situation is becoming more and more dire as war becomes increasingly the only option for states to confront capitalism’s insoluble crisis. Imperialist wars are burning across the world from Ukraine, the Middle East, the African Sahel, the Congo and elsewhere, and a generalised world war looms on the horizon. The international working class has no interest in these wars caused by the capitalist system. They bring increased class repression, privation, displacement, death and genocide: all for a system far past its historical sell-by date. This crisis has no reformist solution: the solution of the working class can only be revolution.
https://libcom.org/article/may-day-2025-against-capitalist-crisis-against-imperialist-war-no-war-class-war

Nestor Makhno The First of May: Symbol of a New Era in the Life and Struggle of the Toilers
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 No.462013[Reply][Last 50 Posts]>>489100

This is a general thread for all China-related news.

Gusano fuckers can die. Westoid """maoists""" can sudoku.

We are going to analyize ITT every move by China in their road to a socialist economy.
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 No.489099>>489104

Anyone else laughing at all the western cope about China recently? There are so many comments that scream insecurity when talking about China lately. We are truly in the coping era of Americans.
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 No.489100

>>462013
>Westoid """maoists""" can sudoku.
Oh, yeah? How about you sudoku yourself then?
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>>489099
>Anyone else laughing at all the western cope about China recently? There are so many comments that scream insecurity when talking about China lately. We are truly in the coping era of Americans.
I'm not sure if i should find it funny. The denial is having negative consequences.
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>>489104
>The denial is having negative consequences
On the contrary. When the enemy believes their own lies it's an advantage for communists.
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>>489105
>On the contrary. When the enemy believes their own lies it's an advantage for communists.
In general, yes, but in this case ?
China likely has already eclipsed the US in terms of overall power by some considerable margin. If the US tries to antagonize them in a serious way it'll get very rough. How do you suppose that can be exploited for advantage ?


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