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Party declaration:
https://x.com/ACPMain/status/1815163785134436404

The American Communist Party (ACP) is an organization which aims to reconstitute the historic Communist Party USA, which has become corrupted by federal agents and liberal forces. Look no further than Joe Sims, who supports the genocidal Democratic Party. It was launched in July of 2024, in response to the events of the 32nd Convention of the CPUSA. At this convention, party leadership subverted and betrayed democratic centralism and the freedom of critique which is supposed to follow from it. They claimed to be a genuine Marxist-Leninist party, but the leadership doesn't even follow their own rules. The CPUSA delayed all elections and without a vote made a resolution that they’d basically just campaign for Democrats. Just a bunch of boomers sitting around and writing articles about identity politics rather than organizing.

Already the ACP is far more successful than anyone would have expected from a brand new baby party. They are building reputation locally, taking care of their own communities and making areas safe for children and families to enjoy. Diplomatic ties on the international level have already been established. ACP has garnered more attention in the past couple months than the corrupt, decadent CPUSA leadership has in decades. A huge number of the CPUSA clubs across the entire country had a huge part in making this happen. Will you join up?

Website:
https://acp.us/
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 No.489414>>489415

>>489321
I am from the ogre. I also hate the retard mods of ogre. Those faggots ban everyone left and right. They hate Haz because he is actually doing something and they are jealous. Also the board is filled with transhumanist faggots. All of the mods are hardcore transhumanists. I even saw a sextape from one. It's disgusting and I still need eye bleach.
>think destiny cocksucking but with an even more dysgenic emo faggot.
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 No.489415>>489433

>>489414
Shit, the word filter is even on this fucking site.
Man, why can't you fuckers turn off that shitty word filter.
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 No.489433>>489436>>489447

>>489338
>They are potentially a REAL threat to ruling class ideas and they are the only party putting in the work as far as I can see.
It could "potentially" crash and burn miserably. That doesn't mean much of anything on its own.

What have they actually accomplished that is of any actual, long-term consequence? This is a real question, by the way. I'm not being flippant, I genuinely want to know. I'm not saying that they haven't done anything at all, they're definitely doing a lot more than a lot of other US communist parties, but that's less because they're special, and more because the bar is so low here that having scattered groups of teenagers occasionally work at soup kitchens seems like way more than it is.

For the record, last time I checked their membership, the number was extremely unimpressive (they had fewer people than I do Youtube subscribers, and my channel exists so I can upload 30 second shitposts twice a year). Mysteriously, that number is no longer directly available on their website (the link is still there, it just directs to a 404 page now), so until I can figure out how to parse their party ledger and figure out if the information I'm looking for still even publicly exists to begin with, I can't verify again.

>On other social media you just have a bunch of people calling them racist without anything to back that claim up.

No, they're definitely not racist. I think a lot of people make up shit about them to justify the fact that they just plain dislike them as people. I myself dislike them as people, Haz in particular needs to stop screaming about how we need to ban Spongebob or whatever retarded nonsense he's on this week, but that's really the beginning and end of it for me. I'm not going to bend over backwards trying to claim that it makes them literal nazis.

With that said, I am skeptical of the ACP, because I know my history and, have lived for longer than most of its members have. Movements like this always go one of two ways; they either devolve into revisionist cults (Browderism, Revcoms, Laroche), or collapse in on themselves from infighting and retarded personality clashes (basically every Trot party), both with the help of the good old CI of A. The ACP has already shown hints of both, which is not a good sign for a party that is only nine months old.

>>489415
To piss off people like you specifically.
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 No.489436

>>489433 (me)
re membership, from what I can grok from the blockchain ledger, they have, at the absolute most, <1500 members, although it seems much more likely that they have about <360 members. I forgot to have the program I wrote to crunch the numbers check for people who had left the party, so the number is likely even lower than that.
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 No.489447>>489449

>>489433
>To piss off people like you specifically.
Fuck you faggot.
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 No.489449>>489454

>>489447
>Fuck you faggot.
Cope, we're not your personal hugbox. Leftychan is the opposition to both 4chud and .woke, if you don't like it then there's the door.
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 No.489450>>489457

>>489338
anti-ACP are democrackkas
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 No.489451

>>483914
you are democrackka revisionist
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 No.489452>>489468

>>483941
because it sounds good, and being a patriot means that you are for Americans in America, not in military bases in other countries
fuck you democrakka
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 No.489454>>489458>>489467

>>489449
>Leftychan is the opposition to both 4chud and .woke
Sure thing boss. Except by using wordfilters you prove you are just extensions of .woke. All too often leftists who say they are against "idpol" are actually only against conservative idpol but are fully liberal idpol supporters. If you are a true leftychud, you would not have wordfilters.
I came here only because this chan was recommended on ogre as an anarkiddie free space. Turns out that was a lie.
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 No.489457

>>489450
I'm not a Democrat. I've never been registered for any political party, actually. I just think Haz is an annoying faggot and don't want anything to do with him.
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 No.489458>>489470

>>489454
I haven't read your conversation with that other anon so this is out of context.

I find some of the word-substitution humorous. I wish we had a quipy one for Isreal. Maybe like "Isbloody" except better.
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 No.489467

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>>489454
>Except by using wordfilters you prove you are just extensions of .woke.
Hitler breathed air, therefore you support Hitler.
>All too often leftists who say they are against "idpol" are actually only against conservative idpol but are fully liberal idpol supporters.
Yeah, but that's not what this place is. Again, it's not .woke, otherwise we wouldn't be here.
>muh anarkiddies
You just had to bring your infantile hatred of anarchism into this. It's not our fucking fault that BreadTubers are self-proclaimed anarchists. They do not follow the philosophy of anarchism, they support systemic violence against those they disagree with, something committed anarchists would never support.
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 No.489468

>>489452
>being a patriot means that you are for Americans in America, not in military bases in other countries
Patriotism is false consciousness that's a product of the Spring of Nations in the Enlightenment era to begin with so it's no wonder American imperialists exploit it, it's no different than the role religion plays under capitalism really. Patriotism is just a secular religion. And no, I don't call everything other than liberalism a secularized religion, class isn't a sacred ideal (unless you fetishize your class, in which case a little bit of patriotism may have sneaked into your brain under the disguise of Marxism).
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 No.489470

>>489458
If you wanna vote for a proposal on an anti-Zionist word-filter plz go to our Matrix server, go to /leftychat/ by adding it from the list of rooms and tell Zer0 that you want to join the voting hall.
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 No.489474>>489475>>489491>>489493

I said it on ogre so I figured I might as well say it here, the underlying problem with the ACP is that it's a "populist" party with an unpopular platform. It tries to appeal hardcore Christian conservative American Patriots, who are also deeply opposed to racism and sexism, and are also also open to far-left politics, and are also also also excited for magical future technology to transform their lives.

Going off of both polling data and personal observation (and this is the personal observation of someone who's lived in the Rust Belt his whole life), there are very, very few people in this country who fit that description. The majority of people in the United States are somewhere between Hasan Piker and Joe Rogan in terms of politics. Making things like "we think gays are degenerate sexual deviants" part of your image is going to alienate way more people than it will attract.
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 No.489475>>489489

>>489474
Perhaps they're trying to will the demographic into existence by showing that those politics don't have to conflict with one another.
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 No.489489

>>489475
Maybe. I think the more likely answer is that they buy into their own bullshit and earnestly think that they've tapped into the spirit of the American public. But still, it is hard to tell with those guys.
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 No.489491>>489493

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>>483941
Why not?
Look at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_East_Is_Red_(song)
>the melody was derived from a local peasant love song from the Loess Plateau entitled "Bai Ma Diao" (《白马调》, White Horse Tune), also known as "Zhima You" (《芝麻油》, Sesame Oil)

>>483943
>>489474
Mao said you should not slight or despise the politically backwards, but befriend them, unite with them, and encourage to go forward.

Furthermore, Sankara said we must never stop explaining, because we know when the people understand, they cannot help but follow us.
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 No.489493>>489494>>489637

>>489491
There's a difference between having solidarity with the politically backwards, and building your entire party platform around appealing to them and only them, especially when, as I said in >>489474, they're in the minority in the US.

I am more than willing to work with someone who has social views that are vastly different from mine (which are socially "centrist"!, for what it's worth), no matter where they sit on the political spectrum. I am not, however, willing to work with people who constantly feel the need to remind me of those views, because it tells me that they value those views more than they do communism for its own sake, and will abandon the cause as soon as they get a better offer.

Beyond that, a lot of what the ACP does, at least to me, looks like people trying to emulate the revolutionary tactics of Lenin and to a lesser extent Mao without understanding the context in which they did what they did. Tsarist Russia was an underdeveloped, largely feudal society, so logically the values of the Russian public prior to the revolution were going to reflect that. The United States, on the other hand, is a highly-developed neoliberal capitalist society, with the social values that come with it instead. Trying to appeal to the hardcore Christian Conservative segment of the population isn't going to get you very far because they aren't the majority here anymore, and have become less and less the majority with each passing decade.
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 No.489494>>489496

>>489493
>There's a difference between having solidarity with the politically backwards, and building your entire party platform around appealing to them and only them
It's weird then to dismiss the critiques of Marxism-Leninism when Stalin did basically the same exact thing. The history of Marxism-Leninism is the history of opportunist pandering to reactionaries and supporting every anti-American politician and movement ever.
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 No.489496

>>489494
>It's weird then to dismiss the critiques of Marxism-Leninism
Where did I do that? I think there's a lot to criticize about Marxism-Leninism. It was, however, overall effective in the specific set of circumstances it was developed for.

>when Stalin did basically the same exact thing

Stalin and friends were, as I said before, working with a very different set of material conditions. Trying to apply the methods developed for what was, in many ways, an extremely backwards feudal nation to arguably the most developed capitalism country on the planet is, frankly, fucking retarded.
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 No.489509>>489633>>489636>>489649

>looks it up
<Haz Al-Din
<MAGA communism
<homophobic Duginites
Wow, what a radical alternative to our capitalist order, truly revolutionary frfr.
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>>489509
How the fuck are they Duginites?
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 No.489634>>489635>>489658>>489663

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>>489182
Really conspicuous that this thread will criticize them for anything except this.
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 No.489635>>489640

>>489182
>>489634
What this is saying (to me) is that Jackson Hinkle is the current owner.
The previous owner was some "B Gerber" but it looks like Hinkle bought it from namecheap, not directly from Gerber.

You have yet to show that B Gerber is the same Ben Gerber from MITRE. It looks like you have an address but there's nothing tying the previous owner to THAT Ben Gerber unless we confirm the address is really his.

But, again, if I buy a domain that used to be owned by feds, it's mine now and I control it. So that's pretty much a win rather than evidence that they're feds.
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 No.489636>>489638>>489649

>>489509
>>489633
This.

I am getting tired of saying that all I hear is UNSUBSTANTIATED slander of them. Show me SOME FUCKING THING to prove your assertion about them them or GTFO.
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 No.489637>>489843

>>489493
>I am more than willing to work with someone who has social views
but
>Trying to appeal to the hardcore Christian Conservative segment of the population isn't going to get you very far

This seems like a contradiction.
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 No.489638>>489643>>489649

>>489636
>all I hear is UNSUBSTANTIATED slander of them
It's not a slander. They're just conservative multipolarist MAGA communists. Sorry but I'm not interested in conservative multipo|arist MAGA communism, I think it's cringe.
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 No.489640>>489644>>489645

>>489635
It's already been established that it's the same guy. He used the same address to register Acp.US and a site which pointed to his LinkedIn.
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 No.489643>>489648>>489649

>>489638
That's fine. But people are calling them racist and other shit without proof.
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 No.489644>>489645

>>489640
That is a little weird, ngl. There are possible explanations though, he could have set an alert and bought it as soon as it lapsed.

Have they addressed this before?
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 No.489645

>>489644
>>489640
>He used the same address to register Acp.US and a site which pointed to his LinkedIn.
Actually I can't find proof of that beyond a twitter comment asserting this.
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 No.489648>>489649

>>489643
>But people are calling them racist and other shit without proof.
Kek. Didn't claim they're racist, I'm not a sensitive snowflake.
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 No.489649>>489654

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 No.489650>>489652>>489654

People should support the ACP because at least it's a stepping stone for rightoids into Left wing politics and working class politics.
Not everyone is going to instantly sign up to some troon infested smashie rainbow hair leftist org, especially the working class right. Parties like the ACP are absolutely needed to present leftist ideas and communism to your average rightoid.
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 No.489652>>489654>>489738

>>489650
>People should support the ACP because at least it's a stepping stone for rightoids
<ACP becomes too popular
<rightoids don't move to a less conservative and class collaborationist party
Uhhhhhhhh… Is that supposed to be a success?
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 No.489654

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 No.489658

>>489634
What have leaders said when confronted about this?
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 No.489663

>>489634
>Really conspicuous that this thread will criticize them for anything except this.
Well, ideological criticisms are the most immediate. After all, when people see a new party the first thing they check out is their ideology.
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 No.489738

>>489652
Yes, because the ACP at least are like 80% good.
I would rather have the ACP power than the Democrats lmao.
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 No.489750>>489751>>489752>>489755

To make a case for the ICFI (International Committee of the Fourth International) and the WSWS (World Socialist Web Site) as the most successful socialist project in human history, one must define "success" in terms that go beyond traditional metrics like state power, electoral victories, or armed revolution. Here is a structured argument for that case:

1. Longevity and Continuity of Revolutionary Marxism
Argument:
The ICFI is the only Trotskyist organization that has preserved an unbroken continuity with the Marxist program as developed by Marx, Engels, Lenin, and Trotsky.

Since its founding in 1953, the ICFI has withstood major ideological, political, and historical pressures that splintered or liquidated nearly every other socialist tendency (e.g., Stalinism, Maoism, Eurocommunism).

It maintains the theoretical and political legacy of Trotsky’s Fourth International, resisting both bourgeois nationalism and opportunism.

Impact:
While other socialist projects like the Soviet Union or China abandoned Marxism in practice (and eventually in theory), the ICFI has preserved and developed it. This consistency is a success in the realm of historical and theoretical continuity.

2. Theoretical Clarity and Opposition to Stalinism
Argument:
The ICFI has been the most consistent and accurate critic of Stalinism and its betrayals of world socialism.

It was one of the few currents on the Left to accurately foresee and explain the collapse of the USSR as a restoration of capitalism by the Stalinist bureaucracy—not the failure of socialism per se.

Its analysis of Pabloism (the tendency within Trotskyism that sought alliances with Stalinist and bourgeois nationalist forces) preserved the independent perspective of the working class.

Impact:
Where most “socialist” parties were ideologically disoriented by the fall of the USSR, the ICFI provided an analysis that upheld the Marxist method and explained the degeneration in materialist terms.

3. The WSWS as the Most Comprehensive Marxist Publication in History
Argument:
The World Socialist Web Site, launched in 1998, is arguably the most intellectually rigorous and consistently Marxist news and analysis platform ever created.

It publishes daily in multiple languages and covers not only class struggle, but also culture, history, science, and art from a socialist perspective.

It has achieved a global readership and has become a reference point for workers, intellectuals, and youth seeking an alternative to bourgeois ideology.

During COVID-19, the WSWS played a leading international role in exposing the class interests behind “herd immunity” policies and organizing Global Workers’ Inquiries.

Impact:
It has allowed socialist analysis to reach millions globally without the mediation of bourgeois media, effectively making it the digital center of international socialism in the 21st century.

4. Internationalism in Practice, Not Just Rhetoric
Argument:
The ICFI is not a collection of national parties loosely affiliated, but a single international organization with a unified program and leadership.

Unlike the Second, Third, and even Fourth Internationals in their degenerate phases, the ICFI maintains an international political line across continents.

It opposes all forms of nationalism, including pseudo-left tendencies that support “anti-imperialist” bourgeois regimes (e.g., Baathism, Bolivarianism, etc.).

Impact:
This makes it unique among leftist organizations today, offering the working class a truly international vehicle for political struggle.

5. Defense of Historical Truth and Revolutionary Culture
Argument:
The ICFI and WSWS have undertaken a deliberate and principled defense of historical truth, including:

Opposing the postmodernist and identity-based distortions of class struggle.

Defending the Russian Revolution as the greatest event in human history.

Exposing campaigns like the New York Times’ 1619 Project as ideological tools of the ruling class.

Impact:
In an era of rampant historical revisionism, the WSWS functions as both a political and cultural institution safeguarding the revolutionary heritage of the working class.

Conclusion: Redefining “Success” in Revolutionary Terms
If success is measured not by how many governments have claimed to be socialist, but by the preservation, development, and international dissemination of revolutionary Marxist consciousness, then:

The ICFI and WSWS stand as the most successful socialist project in human history.

Unlike state-based projects that degenerated into bureaucratic dictatorships or capitalist restoration, the ICFI has never held state power but has preserved the means by which the working class can eventually seize it—Marxist theory, internationalism, and political independence.
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 No.489751

>>489750
>Opposing the postmodernist and identity-based distortions of class struggle.
Postmodernism isn't identity politics, Deleuze and Guattari were themselves Marxists. Radlibs give postmodernism a bad name, the same way they give Marxism a bad name. Marxists and postmodernists have one struggle against identity politics and radlibs, blaming postmodernists for idpol is just pushing them away for no reason.
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 No.489752

>>489750
Much agreed comrade, the growing Rank and Flie Committee movement, despite increasingly desperate denial from the pseudo-left Pabloite revisionist renegades, is striking fear into the hearts of the global imperialist monopoly bourgeoisie. Global capitalism, now more than 80 years into its terminal death agony, can only be transcended through the fulfillment of the objective historical revolutionary role of the class conscious proletariat. The emancipation of the proletariat must be the act of the proletariat itself - under the sole leadership, of course, of the one true world party of socialist revolution, the International Committee of the Fourth International. In their steadfast struggle against all forms of pseudo-left vulgarizations of revolutionary Marxism, David North and the SEP have won the Rank and File proletariat to a genuine Marxist program. The contradictions of global imperialism threaten a Third World War fought with nuclear weapons, and therefore the fate of not just the working class, but the human species itself, depends on resolutely exposing the Pabloites, Grantites, Cliffites, Healyites, Hansenites, Wohlforthites, Mandelites, Steinerites, and all other forms of counter-revolutionary opportunism blocking the path to left unity and planetary proletarian revolution. We urge all workers, youth, and intellectuals stirred by this call to action to unite in Rank and File Committees and to contact the International Committee today.
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>>489750
>Exposing campaigns like the New York Times’ 1619 Project as ideological tools of the ruling class.
Wooswoos is always a good source of laughs at fanatical cultists, but they actually did a good job on this one. They exposed a number of absolute frauds and charlatans that most other left journalists/analysts didn't dare to question out of fear.
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 No.489766

>>483914
>My dogmatism is better than yours!
As dogmatic as orthodox Marxists can be, at least they don't allow opportunists to pervert Marxist teachings and introduce contrafactual concepts and ideas that promote their bourgeois views. Not all revisionism is warranted. The same way not all interpretations of Stirner are valid, some self-proclaimed Stirnerites actually use Stirner to justify their own spooks. Which is very dishonest.
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 No.489767>>489770

>>489755
Who's Gerald Horne? Are you saying he's based or an ideological tool of the ruling class?
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 No.489770

>>489767
The latter. He's a historian who falsifies history in service of divisive idpol.
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 No.489772

>>489755
WSWS Covid take was easily the worst among the entire left but they were based as fuck for ruthlessly shitting on 1619 Project. That said Gerald Horne is a true anti imperialist and never falls for the shitlib trap of "criticizing" Russia and China. Sadly he is a Democratic Party tailist and spreads the moronic notion that Trump's election and Jan 6 was a huge step toward fascism. As if we didn't have fascism for decades and decades.
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 No.489843

>>489637
I mean building your entire platform around them, to the exclusion of others. I'm a-ok working with someone who goes to church weekly and hates gays. That's different from going around and saying "hey people who go to church and hate gays, here's the party for you!", because it'll turn off everyone who isn't them. If the ACP was smart, they'd bring on leadership with a wide variety of opinions all across the political spectrum, with their belief in socialism being the unifying factor. Instead, you have the same zoomer trying and failing to be Andrew Tate meets Nick Fuentes ten times.

As an aside, it's important to realize that the ACP is very good at making itself look like it's bigger and doing more than it actually is. The actual membership numbers are out there if you look for them, and they're not particularly impressive, with growth falling off the further you get into 2025.

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