/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

The dogpile on the party is absurd, it's as if the current state of affairs is somehow preferable to them

>>488034
Any-and-all dogpiles on socialist parties in the US are generally fucking stupid… although I'm mostly only paying attention to ACP and PSL when I say that, but the fact that I wouldn't even bother thinking of CPUSA or the Socialist Equality Party when I say that is just as much reason not to even bother attacking those parties either. The biggest socialist parties in the US, and ones with momentum and good local projects like ACP, are still tiny. The focus needs to be on doing everything in and out of the political sphere to build worker power, and that project should transcend parties until the actual power has been built. A socialist can't personally justify being a Republican or Democrat, but the socialist parties still aren't big enough yet for a workers' movement to be relegated entirely to existing socialist parties. Until the outreach is done, the only reason for putting actual time into infighting is boojee sabotage.

>>488034
What "party"?

>>488035
Kshama Sawant is doing the right thing with Workers Strike Back. Party building for its own sake is a dead end.

Haz Al-Din:
To understand religious stories of the prophets and other righteous figures of mankind, look no further than modern revolutionary history.

You do not need to believe in the supernatural. Believe in history itself.

Observe the just struggles of revolutionary mankind across history.

Observe the countless martyrs who fought for justice, dignity and truth.

Che Guevara was real. Marx was real. Lenin was real. John Brown was real. Stalin and Mao were real. Malcom X was real. Sayyed Nasrallah was real.

This is all we need to know that the stories of the prophets were real.

If the same struggles, tribulations, and stories are happening TODAY, RIGHT BEFORE OUR EYES,

Why would they not have happened in the past?

The memory of the prophets, the foundational wisdom of so many communities and peoples was preserved.

What they really preserve is the revolutionary history that serves as the foundation of their existence.

They preserve the memory of the heroes that fought for ordinary people just like them, even while they're being stepped on and oppressed by elites.

The ancient, sacred religious memory of the people must be linked up with the modern revolutionary history of mankind.

Living faith comes from seeing clearly how what was written about in the holy books can be observed today and right before our eyes.

So many like to preach the word of the holy books.

But they cannot see how today, they occupy the same role as the villains, Pharoahs and Pharisees written in them.

The struggle for existence, justice and dignity TODAY contains the secret behind the message of all prophets.

ACP statement on Mahmoud Khalil

https://x.com/ACP_GA/status/1899861750729646498
On March 11th, the Georgia Chapter of @ACPMain worked with a multitude of different organizations, such as Stop Cop City, Community Movement Builders, and the People's Campaign who are forming the People's Movement Assembly.

We disrupted the Atlanta Mayor Andre Dickens' campaign party, exposing him for lying to his voter base after he promised to put our demands on the ballet if the petition reached 15%, which it did. A press conference was also held announcing the launch of the People's Movement Assembly, which will take place on March 22nd, at 12pm in Howell Park, on the West End of Atlanta.

We are very honored to have worked with them, and hope to continue working with them and building strong relations and solidarity!

The American Communist Party is mobilizing for all-out war to organize drayage truckers at the Newark Port.

For decades, truckers have been misclassified as independent contractors, worked long hours for free, and taken for granted.

We will show the nation the power of labor!

>>488094
>>488118
Good job. Seeing anyone actually do something in the name of workers is what I want to see right now. I'm so tired of ineffective discussion.

Jackson Hinkle in Yemen giving a message to the American soldiers aboard the aircraft carrier USS Harry Truman.

>>488340
short version

>>488340
>>488341
Respect, Hinkle has balls

>>488340
>>488341
He obviously didn't. Where did this rally actually take place?

>>488344
Yemen.

>>488341
Really don't like this "people who wage wars against God always fail" bullshit. Reminds of when Genghis Khan went around justifying his murderous rampages by proclaiming that he was the scourge of God sent to punish people for their sins. Hinkle is practically inviting Zionists to justify their brutality here by saying God must obviously want it because they've been so successful.

>>488346
Okay maybe it was Tamerlane actually. It's always a bit hard to nail down that quote.

>>488346
>Really don't like this "people who wage wars against God always fail" bullshit.
The good part of his speech was that he reminded soldiers they can be conscientious objectors.

>Hinkle is practically inviting Zionists to justify their brutality here by saying God must obviously want it
The Zios have been doing this anyway. And the other side has been turning it around by saying that god is testing them, and the Zios are just a test prop. God is a game dev that put a hard boss-fight at the end of the level. Religious word battles are a wash and everybody goes with the interpretation that god is on their side.

>>488346
Zionists already say that, but it's cynical. A difference is that the Yemenis are actually motivated by God, by a sense of greater good. No one needs to invite Zionists to commit what, by all means, are heresies against God and against humankind while claiming to be morally and divinely chosen. They do that already. What the Yemenis appeal to is a sense of God and the divine which moves them to fight for justice and liberation. Millions of people around the world hold faith in that kind of God, why should that faith be unrepresented? If no one held that God and that sense of morality above the cynical invocations of "God" and "morality" of the IDF, what would the point be?

t. once-atheist, relapsing on Universalism with a materialist conception of God as a philosophical concept representing Being, life/death, the transcendence of shared psychological phenomena and sense of being, and the betterment of humans as individuals, and the power of collective will.

Jackson Hinkle speaking to the crowd in Sanaa, Yemen today.

The ACP condemns the recent criminal acts by the US regime against the people of Yemen.

All independent-minded Americans must unite against the warmongering, Zionist agenda!

Statement from Haz Al-Din:
The US HAS NO RIGHT to attack Yemen.

The claim that it is to 'defend international commerce' and 'freedom of the seas' is BULLSHIT - Trump's tariffs will cause SIGNIFICANTLY MORE damage to international commerce than the Houthi's blockade.

In both cases, THE RIGHTS OF NATIONS should ALWAYS take precedent over "international commerce." Especially when it comes to stopping a regional genocide.

If Trump can tariff the world to revive US industry, Yemen should also have the right to tariff the world to stop a genocide.

>>488590
Technically speaking

Yemen is upholding international law by intervening in a genocide, by which ever means it has.
Israel is the one that is causing the thread to international commerce, because it's actions in Gaza compel other nations to intervene.
The US is just being a rogue nation that is attacking Yemen without a justifiable cause.

There is no tension between the right of nations and international commerce in this instance.

Why is Haz conceding ideological ground to Zionism. The only reason you would consider Yemen as attacking international commerce is if you concede that they do not have a case for intervention on behalf of Gaza. Gaza is a textbook example of a genocide, there even are Israeli state officials going on public record confirming in no uncertain terms that they intend to murder or ethnically cleanse the Palestinians. So there is little room for interpretation.

The tension here is between Yemen and Israel, not Yemen and international commerce. Especially because Yemen halted their activities in the red sea during the cease-fire combat-reduction.

I only just now saw this from last year. Is this true about ACP's website being registered by a guy named Ben Gerber, associated with MITRE?

I commented somewhat flippantly a while ago with >>487081, but I feel like I ought to share something more concrete.

The problem with the ACP, particularly its leadership, is that they try to play both "sides" at once and they end up appealing to neither. Go onto Haz's Twitter, and you'll see threads saying "there is no white genocide, kill the Boer! Republicans spend all day whining about trans bathrooms and gay people, let's actually get shit done!" right next to "the LGBT 'rights' movement is a psyop by the CIA that encourages deviancy and is anticommunist". They say everyone who isn't them hates them because they're "the only American communist party actually doing anything", when in reality, they've made themselves extraordinary easy to hate with their branding. Right now, the only people they possibly can appeal to are internet assholes who like picking fights and are too old to be groypers.

I think what they're going for is "we are the anti-idpol party. We don't care if you're a white Christian or a black lesbian so long as you contribute to the revolution!", but they present it in a very confused way where it sounds like they just hate a lot of people.

>>489319
This is such a dumb, shallow "critique" after I posted this: >>489182

"Herpa derpa *adjusts glasses* I am confused by their tone"
Nukka idgaf about that. Are they feds?
That's the only question I care about.

Why does .orge hate them so much? It's honestly bizarre how much hate they heap on the ACP (and CPGB) when like, at worst they are just socially moderate Communists.
Saying anything positive about the ACP is the quickest way to get a permaban on .orge

>>489321
Who tf cares what .org thinks?
Are ACP feds?

>>489320
Evidently, a lot of people are confused by their tone. Most of the people saying wrong things about them aren't deliberately slandering them, they're genuinely confused because they market themselves like schizos.

>>489321
Haz himself has bad blood with .orge, so they're jumpy about his fans coming onto the site and causing trouble again. They're really fucking obnoxious about it, but there is indeed a thought process beyond "we fucking hate this guy".

>>489322
Last I checked, they had pretty small membership numbers, although their public ledger (https://acp.us/ledger) is really difficult to read, and they no longer have the verified members on the chapters page anymore, so it's a bit harder to tell now. Something about that makes me feel suspicious.

>>489321
Can't speak for ogres, but I despise unserious "parties" started by worthless stream whores. Cults of personality and social media marketing is not organizing.

>>489326
I'm talking about >>489182 though.

>>489321
Dude because orge is run by fucking feds. ACP is POTENT. They are potentially a REAL threat to ruling class ideas and they are the only party putting in the work as far as I can see. So whoever does censorship for the ruling class has to either smear it or ban it. On .org they ban it. On other social media you just have a bunch of people calling them racist without anything to back that claim up.

>>489328
>worthless stream whores
Anon what the fuck are you talking about? Like do you have any better ideas or are you just going to bitch at everyone else while doing nothing?

>>489339
Yeah, stop being a narcissistic camera whore and go knock on some doors.

>>483853 (OP)
Aren't these guys basically right wing grifters with a communist coat of paint?

>>489342
>knock on some doors
Won't that get you shot in America? Idk

>>489321
I am from the ogre. I also hate the retard mods of ogre. Those faggots ban everyone left and right. They hate Haz because he is actually doing something and they are jealous. Also the board is filled with transhumanist faggots. All of the mods are hardcore transhumanists. I even saw a sextape from one. It's disgusting and I still need eye bleach.
>think destiny cocksucking but with an even more dysgenic emo faggot.

>>489414
Shit, the word filter is even on this fucking site.
Man, why can't you fuckers turn off that shitty word filter.

>>489338
>They are potentially a REAL threat to ruling class ideas and they are the only party putting in the work as far as I can see.
It could "potentially" crash and burn miserably. That doesn't mean much of anything on its own.

What have they actually accomplished that is of any actual, long-term consequence? This is a real question, by the way. I'm not being flippant, I genuinely want to know. I'm not saying that they haven't done anything at all, they're definitely doing a lot more than a lot of other US communist parties, but that's less because they're special, and more because the bar is so low here that having scattered groups of teenagers occasionally work at soup kitchens seems like way more than it is.

For the record, last time I checked their membership, the number was extremely unimpressive (they had fewer people than I do Youtube subscribers, and my channel exists so I can upload 30 second shitposts twice a year). Mysteriously, that number is no longer directly available on their website (the link is still there, it just directs to a 404 page now), so until I can figure out how to parse their party ledger and figure out if the information I'm looking for still even publicly exists to begin with, I can't verify again.

>On other social media you just have a bunch of people calling them racist without anything to back that claim up.
No, they're definitely not racist. I think a lot of people make up shit about them to justify the fact that they just plain dislike them as people. I myself dislike them as people, Haz in particular needs to stop screaming about how we need to ban Spongebob or whatever retarded nonsense he's on this week, but that's really the beginning and end of it for me. I'm not going to bend over backwards trying to claim that it makes them literal nazis.

With that said, I am skeptical of the ACP, because I know my history and, have lived for longer than most of its members have. Movements like this always go one of two ways; they either devolve into revisionist cults (Browderism, Revcoms, Laroche), or collapse in on themselves from infighting and retarded personality clashes (basically every Trot party), both with the help of the good old CI of A. The ACP has already shown hints of both, which is not a good sign for a party that is only nine months old.

>>489415
To piss off people like you specifically.

>>489433 (me)
re membership, from what I can grok from the blockchain ledger, they have, at the absolute most, <1500 members, although it seems much more likely that they have about <360 members. I forgot to have the program I wrote to crunch the numbers check for people who had left the party, so the number is likely even lower than that.

>>489433
>To piss off people like you specifically.
Fuck you faggot.

>>489447
>Fuck you faggot.
Cope, we're not your personal hugbox. Leftychan is the opposition to both 4chud and .woke, if you don't like it then there's the door.

>>489338
anti-ACP are democrackkas

>>483914
you are democrackka revisionist

>>483941
because it sounds good, and being a patriot means that you are for Americans in America, not in military bases in other countries
fuck you democrakka

>>489449
>Leftychan is the opposition to both 4chud and .woke
Sure thing boss. Except by using wordfilters you prove you are just extensions of .woke. All too often leftists who say they are against "idpol" are actually only against conservative idpol but are fully liberal idpol supporters. If you are a true leftychud, you would not have wordfilters.
I came here only because this chan was recommended on ogre as an anarkiddie free space. Turns out that was a lie.

>>489450
I'm not a Democrat. I've never been registered for any political party, actually. I just think Haz is an annoying faggot and don't want anything to do with him.

>>489454
I haven't read your conversation with that other anon so this is out of context.

I find some of the word-substitution humorous. I wish we had a quipy one for Isreal. Maybe like "Isbloody" except better.

>>489454
>Except by using wordfilters you prove you are just extensions of .woke.
Hitler breathed air, therefore you support Hitler.
>All too often leftists who say they are against "idpol" are actually only against conservative idpol but are fully liberal idpol supporters.
Yeah, but that's not what this place is. Again, it's not .woke, otherwise we wouldn't be here.
>muh anarkiddies
You just had to bring your infantile hatred of anarchism into this. It's not our fucking fault that BreadTubers are self-proclaimed anarchists. They do not follow the philosophy of anarchism, they support systemic violence against those they disagree with, something committed anarchists would never support.

>>489452
>being a patriot means that you are for Americans in America, not in military bases in other countries
Patriotism is false consciousness that's a product of the Spring of Nations in the Enlightenment era to begin with so it's no wonder American imperialists exploit it, it's no different than the role religion plays under capitalism really. Patriotism is just a secular religion. And no, I don't call everything other than liberalism a secularized religion, class isn't a sacred ideal (unless you fetishize your class, in which case a little bit of patriotism may have sneaked into your brain under the disguise of Marxism).

>>489458
If you wanna vote for a proposal on an anti-Zionist word-filter plz go to our Matrix server, go to /leftychat/ by adding it from the list of rooms and tell Zer0 that you want to join the voting hall.