/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>477042
>>477043
Take your meds.

>>477042
Im familair with Galileo being a Catholic patron. Isaace Newton was a religious prude.
Hiwever The Catholic church at that time held all the advanced astronomical knowledge and woukdnt take kindly to plebiams indulging in it.


However, the Protestants hate scientific endeavors. Theyre actively anti-intellectual.

>>477049
Do you know why the geocentric model was protected? It was to keep astrologers in business. There were Greeks and people outside of Europe who would tell you correctly the Earth revolved around the Sun, but they had so little to go on. So far as there was a theological rationale, heliocentrism was conflated with Sun-worship and Luciferianism (and this is what the "religion of science" fags really sell). But, the Church did not have a thought police telling people that the sun revolved around the Earth. Galileo was forced to recant his writings for the reasons I specified, and claims about natural science were never theological matters for the Church. What was suspect were counter-claims to theology - and there was nothing in Christianity that changed because of a natural science fact, because the religion and doctrine did not pertain to that outside of possessing a theory of knowledge. That theory of knowledge by the way is implicit in today's university. The university is fundamentally operating with a cosmology inherited from a Christian view of the world.

The only "Christians" who are resolutely anti-scientific are, hilariously enough, the Unitarian Universalists - and they were nothing more than a front for Malthus and Galtonism, a diseased and retarded form of Christianity intended to degrade the brain.

Protestants didn't really get into natural science until eugenics and biology became political matters, and Protestants would be split between pro-eugenics forces that would dominate in the world to come, and an anti-eugenics faction that were the sheep herded to the slaughter. This event was latent in the very structure of Christianity and what it was - the ritual of spiritual cannibalism was intended to prepare the populace for depopulation, and that's what Christianity introduced when it became the state religion of Rome.

In case you bring up the Amish - the Amish objection to technology associated technology not with reason or intelligence, but with commerce, which was the common association for most of history and in practice the correct one. Their arguments against technology were entirely premised on the corrupting influence of commerce on society, rather than a belief that knowledge or reason were intrinsically "evil" as a substance. Their practices are not ideological but orthopraxy as they see it.

>>477032
>Yes this was the conclusion of lenin
You think this still holds ?

Is the US poised to go through an internal upheaval which will be set off by suffering a big military defeat in some kind of battle abroad ?

>>477034
You people are fucking hopeless.

>>477034
it's looking more and more probable but only time will tell. We need to get more orgs on the same page to take advantage should it happen. We must distribute Lenin and take leadership roles in our orgs
>>477035
only hopeless one is you, doomer troon

>>477041
Is this satire?

>>477041
>it's looking more and more probable but only time will tell.
It kinda depends on the recklessness of the ruling class. If they don't charge into a dumb military adventure where they take a massive L. The imperial part of the US might just evaporate away. And the local governance adapts to becoming a normal country without an upheaval.

>We need to get more orgs on the same page to take advantage should it happen.
Seems like a decent precaution.

>>476988
Kissinger Seemed like the last remaining clever neocon.

Was it painful, at least?

Can't believed he lived to be 100, what a shame.

Wow it finally happened, just in time to avoid seeing Shitrael croak.

You should smoke less weed

>>476913
What makes you say that ?
I don't smoke weed or consume any other drugs, unless you count coffee.

People have been looking for a way to prolong youth and vitality forever.

I find it weird that this seems alien to you
>>476891
Video by a literal who criticizing someone of noteworthiness. I can't imagine spending this much time focusing on someone I don't like.bYou fags are allergic to any kind of success

>>476893
>People have been looking for a way to prolong youth and vitality forever.
Sure, but why is there such a tendency to do crazy things. Why would you look at a study done on rats and conclude that's the ticket: I'm going to copy the rat-experiment, that'll make me live forever. The scientist who did that study just tried to gather data-points on biological systems, they didn't try to make the rat live longer. They just wanted to see what would happen, if they joined the vascular systems of 2 rats.

Step 1 Experiments generates data.
Step 2 Data generates scientific models.
Step 3 Scientific models generate practical applications.

If you want to benefit off scientific advancements you want what comes out of Step 3 not Step 1.

That guy is just going to generate a bunch of data replicating the rat-experiment on him self. Even if this had some truth to it, (which it probably doesn't), you'd still want to wait until you get a medical treatment option. Which has been properly researched and tested to make sure it's safe and optimized for maximal effectiveness with minimal side effects. Virtually every disease known to medicine has been cured in lab-rats at least 10 times, however most of these cures have terrible side effects that make em non-viable for medical applications.

>I find it weird that this seems alien to you
Recreational blood-transfusions, as in unnecessary medical treatments, yes that seems alien to me. Because it makes no fucking sense.

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>>476901
>Recreational blood-transfusions, as in unnecessary medical treatments, yes that seems alien to me. Because it makes no fucking sense.

No one will remember your name

>>476902
>No one will remember your name
That guy might end up being remembered as a crazy fuck larping as a vampire. And potentially as a cautionary tail, if he kicks the bucket due to medical complications associated with excessive blood-transfusions. TBH that seems worse than being forgotten.

>>476857
post pdf and what chapter's we're reading

>>476833
>Why do countries that reference socialism in their constitution not function as socialist in many ways?
Maybe the spell doesn't work because we haven't figured out the right incantation. Or maybe the working class being insufficiently organized means that its less socialister.

The US is not constitutionally dogmatic in any sense, and no state is actually "ideological". The Nazis were one of the few examples of an ideology-centered state where they squeal like faggots for it, and that was still at heart a continuation of Weimar under permanent and institutionalized total emergency order. Constitutions are not ideological documents, and belong to a stage of history where the concept of law had any spiritual authority in the minds of anyone. The US does flagrant acts that violate the constitution in the most basic ways and never states its "real" ideology in any government propaganda or by a persistent channel by which such a thing would be promulgated. So much of what is taken for granted today flagrantly violates nearly every part of the amendments to the constitution with the intent of doing exactly that, and anything at all in the constitution is a brittle farce that is wholly incompatible with what the US became in the 20th century. Only parts of the facade still exist from the Constitution. They even hint at violating egregiously post-1947 constitutional amendments and rulings. For example, using the 25th amendment as a "medical coup" is not only completely against the intent of that, but would obviate any pretense that there is a law, no matter how much this decision is in the hand of Congress or the executive. The wording of it is intended to only be used if the President is actually incapacitated and wouldn't be able to step down or speak at all. Suggesting its use for that purpose shows the disdain liberals and conservatives have for any pretense of law, because it would set a precedent that expert opinion for a spurious medical reason overrides the institutions that write any law. If it happened, it would effectively be the end of the country and any possibility that there even could be a different constitution. It would make clear that eugenics is the only law left. That's why it's pushed by the vanguard as a talking point. If the charge of incompetence or maladministration is the purpose, impeachment would be the constitutional answer, and that was done to Trump. Incompetence, maladministration, pretty much openly treasonous acts that Trump would brag about doing, should have been enough to remove him, with the official pretexts for impeachment being only the start of a laundry list of offenses against Trump. But, the liberals don't ever want to actually remove Trump. Why would they get rid of something that gave them Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>476833
Because they believe that socialism is when the government does stuff but unironically.

>>476840
Because you believe that socialism is a destination not a process. That's why you cry about "not real socialism" but also can't explain what you would have done differently.

>>476725
Why not ?
What is the reason to object ?

We're probably going to build artificial people at some point in the distant future, with artificial bodies and artificial minds, that are at least somewhat similar to ours, maybe with some aspirational qualities. We would be doing this to animate dead matter by making it alive, because that's what living matter tends to do.

This has nothing to do with "regulating AI" because AI is super scary and will make Skynet real. This is about taking back anything independent of the state. They don't want you to have a single processor of your own, and want the "internet of things" - this Satanic contraption that has always been a liberal delusion. But mostly, they just want to make people suffer and make another entry to destroy private life of any sort. It's a long, long "Jehad" to impose eugenism or whatever system they plan for us. Eugenism or no, humanity is consigned to despotism. They don't know anything else.

The actual quality of AI isn't much better than it was decades ago. Humans have a few interesting algos but they are always human-designed and a competent programmer will tell you what they do. Bad programmers who were taught to just copy the examples from the textbook - that's your Fabian/Germanic education for you where they literally have no concept of mechanism or scale - believe in these mystifications. No one who thinks about this for five minutes or maintains some connection with reality believes any of this hype.

What is different is the processing capacity of information, and the balance of state or institutional information control against the information available to our native faculties as human beings. In short, information control is a proxy for enclosure and dispossession. We are under a psychological assault, and this assault is not merely informational but entails violent imposition of the Germanic thought-forms among other poisons. A favored class is sheltered from this, and given absolute impunity to introduce this poison ad infinitum. If we try to resist it, we are viciously attacked and denounced. If we persist, unlimited torture awaits. Eugenics knows no other way.

That all said, I doubt these pushes to "censor AI" or "regulate AI" actually lead anywhere. This is mostly about seeding the narrative of information control. The objectives I hear coming from the government are more about making an internet Real ID, after they implemented Real ID for most state-issued documents. Basically, they want to make you use your name and ID card for any online activity, like how China regulates things. This is a continuation of many filters to keep "bad people" disconnected, and so that started a long time ago and has already perpetuated itself enough. The Real ID will be imposed, just as Trump was able to shatter net neutrality and many of the older regs that primarily constrained internet providers more than end users. Many of those regs existed less to protect you, but to clear out any independence of the private sector until the ruling institutions could consolidate their information holdings. That was a big thing Obama pushed - it was a huge part of the ACA, all of these medical records being collected for eugenic purposes. You already see the eugenic filtering and screening in every area of society, and COVID was a test to see how far they can push it / create crisis to drive the true believers to the full eugenic creed above all other law. This has produced a resistance, playing out now, but eugenics as I say cannot fail. It can only be failed, and so, eugenics has no play except to continue what it has always done, and eugenics was designed with this in mind.

>>476758
I see. And do these eugenicists ever speak or talk to you. Do they tell you they are eugenicists, or is it something you just know?

>>476648
>fermi paradox isiabout them being undetectable, not just staying on their home planet
You are correct but don't bee too harsh on OP, there is considerable overlap between undetectable and non-space-faring

>>476648
>He doesn't even grasp how consumerism works or forms

Can you give me a quick rundown? Is this about commodity fetishism?

>>476647
>Because it just takes one species and roughly 10K years to conquer the hole galaxy with technology we could already build.
Even at the speed of light with a species arising on a planet in the galactic center, no. The diameter of the Milky Way is something like 87,000 light-years.

>>476651
Yeah sorry, brain fart
It's 10 million years to colonize the galaxy with 1% light speed ships and the assumption that your colonization effort only moves for about half the time, while the other half is spend building up solar systems along the way.

https://farside.link/invidious/watch?v=FpXwyDWDww8

>>476650
>Is this about commodity fetishism?
Well that's at the core of it yeah. Like it's a broad thing that I'd have a hard time bundling into a quick run down but generally it all revolves that.
Like for example, things like games can be made as genuine enrichment and be beneficial, just like music and other forms of art, but the economics around it creates games that are like opium and waste time by design. The economics around it makes the food poisonous, or in such abundance it becomes so, ect…

I agree that capitalism is quite likely be what's game-overing all the aliens, but hyper-focusing on the results of consumerism rather than it's cause (capitalism) is a weird underscope that seems to be trying to dodge the capitalism question.

>>472720
Compare to now where "The Science" is dominated by legalese, mystification, institutions with Star Chamber-esque laws and policies, and obfuscation. This is possible because pedagogy is designed to retard children from an early age. They don't teach children to "read", but to digest language. They brag that the majority of humanity are not "really literate", because any time we demonstrate literacy, we are beaten into submission and bullbaiting by this Germanic culture, which was designed to destroy anyone who wasn't an aristocrat and uphold their racist bullshit. Then the Krauts project their failed race-theory onto the English or American. Every other culture in humanity asks themselves, individually or collectively, if they are the assholes. Most ordinary Germans, being reasonable people, do the same. Not the aristocracy though! It's so fucking insufferable.

>>472719
>The Retarded Ideology
Absolutely based. Is this the complete book?

>>472778
First part of what I plan to be eight books. Maybe I never finish it, but I'm pretty far into Book 2 which is much larger.

Good website with virus debunking articles:
https://viroliegy.com/

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