/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>493465
>There wouldn't be ~3 billion Christians…
Islam is another story, but this is actually quite ahistorical for Christianity. Christianity wasn't a state-sanctioned religion until several centuries after its founding. Before that its growth was largely voluntary and early Christians had a communal outlook.

>>493465
OP Fuck your AI slop. But also yes, government is a monopoly on violence. The only difference between a socialist government and a capitalist one is who the government is oppressing. Yes you can still get arrested for bullshit you don't agree with under socialism, but at least they will use cops to oppress the bourgeoisie primarily and prevent a reversion back to capitalism.

Nobody knows what happens next. We probably need almost every country to have a socialist revolution before the state can wither away. But I don't like to think too far into the future, things are so fucked in America that we should really take it week by week with some sort of outlook.

>>495044
>but at least they will use cops to oppress the bourgeoisie primarily and prevent a reversion back to capitalism
One can only hope. Sadly most of the socialist governments of the 20th century simply brought the bourgeoisie class into the state apparatus. When you eliminate the undemocratic work arrangements that create the basis of class in the first place, you don't need cops to suppress the bourgeoisie.

It's telling that the only way human society can be conceived is the rule of a particular method of violence asserted for no reason worth considering, and this is seen as wholly natural and automatic. You have to ask if it was always like this, and usually you conclude that it was not, yet not one example against it is "real". Even when the violence is nowhere near what it purports to be and does not have the power it claims, the assertion of arbitrary violence and cruelty is the only Law humans ever regard or grant spiritual authority, because they really don't know anything else.

If this is about a self-declared right to kill, any idiot can claim that. I can get in my car and use it as a weapon for some vehicular murder, and suddenly I'm "God" according to that theory. Whether you kill by direct violence or by habitual lying and institutions that make it "automatic", it's always reduced to the essential acts of killing and torture and never about anything good or useful. Everyone who tried to assemble something on any other basis is immediately attacked, denounced, and edited out of history, even though we know such a thing would be trivial and non-controversial. It would be very easy to not do any of this, but if we did, suddenly the people who did this to you whine about a "human spirit" and "human nature" that they have already declared a monopoly over.

At the end of all of it, nothing really gets done. The real government of humanity, or what counts as such, is always conducted in secret. This is thrown in front of your face and every institution we have ever known exists to laugh at you as you're ejected from the world. You might think this is a modern thing, but if you look at the past and are not trapped by the fetters you are exhorted to believe are "natural", the Roman system was remarkably similar. The Romans didn't even bother lying about it, and Roman historians will tell you it was a bunch of shit from start to finish. Nowhere do the Romans invoke anything like ideology or justice when it came to the purpose of the state. The purpose of the Roman state was to preserve slavery, and it's written in the legal code. The most humanistic Roman leaders would tell you why the state exists, without any glorification of the idea of the state. That perversion is a modern, Germanic invention that has nothing to do with the Law of any country that was at all functional. Yet, here we are, where the only idea permitted is a glorification Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>494778
>right-wingers to his site, a space for disgruntled gamergaters
I hope you didn't just do that thing the horseshit games media did. The vast majority of gamergate people were not, in fact, right wing.

>>494808
yea about half of republicans show up as "left-wing" on the Nolan chart, but what matters are people's speech and actions not their test scores. 8chan's main board was rabidly right-wing the entire lifetime of the site.

Brennan explicitly recruited people from 4chan's /pol/ and /v/, like the central hub of sociopathic right-wingism

>>494809
>/v/, like the central hub of sociopathic right-wingism
Nah, you're full of shit. There may have been some overlap with /pol/tards but as a whole 4chan's /v/ community covered a pretty general spread of American politics. The transformation of 4chan into Stupid Boomer Politics only happened after the exodus and gamergate.

>>494815

>may have been

lmao


/pol/ and /v/


you purposefully omitted /pol/ because you know you can't fudge the history on that.


There's only a few readily accessible archives 2014, the year GG hit a peak and then discussion was banned. All I see is right-wingism: hating on jews in multiple separate threads, and promoting right-wing e-celebs like Ed Morrissey and Adam Baldwin

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>>494816
Two celebrities (I don't even remember this Morrissey clown) who don't even use image boards are hardly representative of the general opinion on /v/. Here's my counter anecdote: I was involved in a large project to compile all the games journalism scandals over the years and of the 20-ish people I collaborated with only two of them were hardcore right wingers. There were maybe three or four progressives and socialists on the left, while most everyone else was somewhere in the middle.

>you purposely omitted /pol/
I think it's pretty clear that I'm not disputing /pol/'s politics.

>>494690
>Reza Shah Pahlavi’s white revolution that, if continued, would have brought Iran into the modern age of industrial production rather than having its industry ossified as it is the case in the present.
What is your basis for this prediction? Under the Islamic Republic, Iran actually has become one of the world's leading manufacturers of drones and Iran is otherwise well-known for having an enormous corps of engineering talent. This in spite of decades of attempts to block Iran's access to outside resources through economic sanctions. Conversely, under many vassal regimes in history the puppeteering power has kept economies purposely undeveloped in order to exploit cheap labor.

>>494698

That shows how little you know about Iranian modern history, for the very weapons manufacturing and educated human capital you praise theocratic Iran for is built on the back of Pahlavi's white reforms which not only increased literacy in the country, but also kickstarted a minor Industrial Revolution that today's Iran continues to rely on to this day. Matter of fact, economic growth under Reza Shah approached close to 10%, while today growth has been stagnant even factoring for western sanctions.

If the 1979 revolution never occurred, then Iran would be wealthier than today, and with a more proletarianised populace as well. This are just facts you can easily read on any book on Iranian history, not an endorsement for current attempts by the American empire at re-instituting the bourgeois monarchy.

Just because Iran today sits on the opposite end of the USA doesn't mean that I, a historical materialist, will make a moral exception for that bourgeois theocracy in west Asia solely because it's besieged today. Moralisms and shitlib idealism shouldn't seep into material analysis.

>>494699
>If the 1979 revolution never occurred, then Iran would be wealthier than today
On the one hand there would probably be less economic sanctions and Western attacks on them to contend with over the decades. On the other hand their oil sovereignty would still be in the hands of British Petroleum.

>slavery in Ancient Greece as progressive in that it advanced societies relative to their predecessors (in ancient Greece's case, from tribal society to city-states)
Completely ahistorical nonsense. Not only did city-states exist well before the Greek Classical period, but it was preceded by a historically regressive period at the end of the Bronze Age where creditor oligarchies were allowed form and seize control of governance away from the palace monarchies that had once kept them in check. This gave way to people losing first their land and then their freedoms by creditors. The same thing happened in the late Roman Republic, and a similar, more rigorously documented phase happened in Mesopotamia at the end of Hammurabi's Babylonian dynasty. In all cases they led to the mass enslavement of civilizations, a dramatic reduction in written records, desertion of urban centers, and stagnation in innovation beyond warfare.

It was not slavery that played a progressive role in the Greek Classical period. It was figures like Solon issuing mass debt amnesties that built a body of free citizens to give way to democracy. Or, when city-states like Argos experienced cataclysmic disasters in warfare, they were forced to make new citizenship bodies out of the slave population and the consequent turn over lead to democratic rule. Slavery has never been a progressive force in history, it represents something more akin to a destructive detour on the path of progressive development.

>>494673
Firstly, Kudos on such a great effortpost in the era of AIposting on imageboards.
However, I disagree with your primary thesis. If Marx would alive today he wouldn't be using the same analysis of the 1800s, because he understood that dialectical materialism requires our analysis to adapt to changing circumstances. The US has next to no organized work force and technology has only inched forward since the cold war. Technologies such as AI which only exist to kill jobs and surveille the working class are anything but progressive.

>Iran's archaic mode of production and imperialism
You'll need some evidence for this bold take. To where does Iran export capital? What private monopolies does Iran extend past its borders? Funding groups like Hamas is not imperialism by any definition. I'll admit that I also find the uncritical support given by "tankies" to be cringey, but the wholesale destruction of Israel should be celebrated by everyone, Left or Right, Gentile or Jew.

Marx had just begun to investigate metabolic rift and the externalities of capitalism in his final years. I doubt he would have the same productivist focus today when we see the pollutions of capitalism poisoning our bodies, minds, and planet.


All-in-all, a good post. You're wrong, but it's still a good post and I hope you have a good day.

Get the fuck out of chagos you yank baboons

https://x.com/BNONews/status/2028006740466274316
BREAKING: Multiple people shot at music venue in Cincinnati, Ohio

the americans killing iranian children

Was it really narco traffickers? I thought it was some dumbass CIA "Archer" style subcontractor trying to reenact the Bay of Pigs.

>>494563
some "true patriots" of god=trump's army…
how the hell did some dudes in a single boat think they were going to take down the Cuban government on their own?

>>494564
With American grit and spirit

Gee whiz, I wonder why the Polish don't like communists. It's not like communism did anything wrong to them during ww2 or the cold war or anything.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bans_on_communist_symbols

Meanwhile Lithuanian Jews can move to Israel and apparently there's no problem with that.

>>494342
>Really sad, I thought maybe Czech Republic was going to start to regain its sanity soon by proximity to Slovakia.
>Slovakia
>sanity
Ugh, mate, I don't even know where to start

Slovakia is in many ways very similar to Hungary and Poland. A deeply conservative country, where the catholic church is still very influential institution.

Jozef Tiso, the president of the fascist Slovak state, is viewed in positive light by 20% of Slovaks.

28% has a favorable opinion on the era of the first Slovak republic (1939-45) itself
(source: https://nms.global/sk/tiso-ma-sympatie-patiny-populacie-slovensky-stat-vnimaju-pozitivne-najma-mladi/ )

4% views the deportations of Jews positively (source: https://spravy.stvr.sk/2024/03/len-tretina-populacie-ma-negativny-postoj-k-slovenskemu-statu-a-deportaciam-zidov/ )

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>>494410
I find it difficult to reconcile that with the fact that Slovakia is lead by the last remaining principled social democrat in Europe.

The fact remains Slovakia and Hungary are the only voices in Europe opposing the bullshit proxy war in Ukraine and world war 3. Given the completely unhinged crap at the Munich Security Conference just a few days ago, yes that is sanity.

>>493947
Have you read "Towards a new Socialism"? It describes how a cyber socialist economy would work using what he calls "calculation in kind", which basically equates money and time.

What we call "crypto" is really just a consensus algorithm, it's one of the tools in the toolbox for building distributed computer systems. It may or may not be applicable to building a socialist economy.

>>493951

It is really funny almost sad that people in the crypto space are so ignorant.
First of all, bitcoin is less private than even the scam paper money that central banks have imposed. Just search the huge blockchain of bitcoin and with some effort you can find the IP and other important data from the transactions that people make.

You really, have to ask a question to yourself. Would bitcoin be so popular even for people like president Trump if it really was an anti-system currency?

The answer is of course no. The only real private and reliable at this moment and day cryptocurrency is Monero and that's why it is banned from most exchange platforms.

On the other hand, in an ideological level, communism is all about the destruction of money because it creates inequality. In my opinion, search for alternatives for your finances preferably gold but at the same time remember the final goal.

>Crypto was intended to act in X way!
TOO BAD BITCH! The forces of the market make it act the way it does! You can stamp your feet and hold your breath until you turn blue but that won't change the fact that systems act the way that they act in reality, not how they're intended! Exorcise that liberal idealism from your skull.

>>494279
How do I get Monero then?

t. Newb

>>494301
You shouldn't hold onto a lot of monero for more than a couple of days, because of price stability. Get bitcoin instead and swap some for monero whenever you need to do a transaction.

Was this the first time that "black bloc" saboteurs showed up to commit petty crimes and provide pretext for violent crackdown on protest? I can't think of an earlier time in which this technique was used.

Would the public have consented to their violent crackdown if the smashies hadn't smashed? To a lesser degree there was some punishment: the Seattle chief of police didn't get re-elected afterward.

Anon… are you feeling OK?

It's called McKinley actually

>>494294
If you aren't riding your bike or taking the bus to work, then you're not a comrade. Simple as that.

China and India emit more co2 than all western countries combined but somehow I'm at fault for this, and if only I'd stop commuting to work in my truck then it would stop climate change from blowing up the earth.