/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>466018
>Based common sense poster
Unfortunately, most people here are mouthbreathers who judge things based on if it sounds good

>Poor people are probably smarter than rich people because they had to develop more brain power to live on a small budget
What a cope. Every study (and basic common sense) suggests that chronic, low level stress associated with poverty dulls the ability for long term planning and wise descision making. Anyone whose visited an deeply impoverished country or neighborhood could tell you that.

>>466023
it used to be common sense to gulag the "lets murder the poor gang"
what a fall from grace

>>466024
>Every study suggests that chronic, low level stress associated with poverty dulls the ability for long term planning and wise descision making.
That is true. We can conclude that the people who were made poor (by rich-people stealing from them, which is how pretty much all poverty is created these days), are subject to bad environments.

So in order for you to judge their root intelligence, you have to subtract the bad environmental influences. And it's pretty obvious that these people needed better brains to begin with, to explain that they still have a somewhat functional brain left in bad conditions.

If rich people were actually superior, they wouldn't need to inflict poverty on others to bring them down. If the leaders in your society are actually high caliber people they don't need to strangle the competition by casting them into poverty to dull their brains

Looks like a eugenist exposes himself as a sniveling retard yet again, and gets enabled to say such stupid shit. I can't even with these assholes.

Any time someone cites intelligence measurements from long ago, it should be understood to be more Galtonite faggotry superimposed on any actual assessment. It's strange how a society without autism score s produced better people who retained more of their wits than eugenic society, and how every eugenic policy has meant retardation and poisoning of people. This idea that you get better by killing each other like retards is what ghetto uyghurs think. The Nazis are just uyghurs that masturbated their melanin away and resemble the Yakub story about the white man's origins - and when you get into their esoteric faggotry, they believe in something like the Yakub story but that it was a good thing. Ask how well the slave societies of West Africa were and the incentives at work, because slavery kept on going all the way through the 20th century, and continued even though it was stigmatized.

Before you say anything about baseline intelligence, you would have to conceive of society working in any way we would consider good, and that has never been the case. Those who rule society and give us our ideas are the worst pieces of shit who have lived since time immemorial by beating and humiliating most of humanity. Whatever intelligence we attain in this society is in spite of its institutions, and if we lived in a society that actually favored the full development of knowledge and favored the expression of any hereditary intelligence, even the dullest of us would be much smarter. Strange thing is, nowadays they have a better understanding of how people think. They could teach the autists and retards if they wanted to, but there is immense pressure to absolutely refuse to do that, and deny that the victims will on their own initiative learn what they can. It is an absolute that autism score 0 must be maintained forever, so a bunch of screaming Germanic retards can maintain their faggot cope.

>>465860
Well if you want to post nothing but pepes and le heckin soyjackarinos go to 4chan

>ZOMG GUIS WHY ARE YOU HAVING AN INTELLECTUAL CONVERSATION ON A LEFTIST IMAGE BOARD CAN'T WE JUST POST ONE MAN ONE JAR FOR THE 1MILLIONTH TIME?

>>465844
You really have a thing for that LARPer.
>Very ideological, don't you think?
No, it's narcissistic cosplay, which is what he did regularly in public.
>Nah, must be because he is just a madman and thinks he is a literal Hercules or something.
That would definitely appear to be the more likely scenario given how he liked to play at being a gladiator.
>nothing to do with politics..
Nothing about the reign of Commodus suggests that he had any political acumen whatsoever. We are talking about the guy who crashed the Antonine Dynasty.
>>465855
>It must be that free citizens became coloni of some landlord out of the good life, because there was just so much "free fertile land" laying around.
Are we talking about Roman plebs or are we talking about veterans of the legions?
>and there was no such phenomena as raider takeovers of the polis lands by landlords and the arbitrary moving of the landmarks that required a special attention of the emperor with a rescript..
I seem to recall Augustus (or was it Tiberius?) dealing with that little scheme in his day, but he did so by convincing the senate to condemn the offenders so that it would be regared as an act of justice rather than an arbitrary assassination of his own political opponents. That is the way that someone who is good at politics handles such a situation.
>By that time the municipal slaveowners didn't need more slaves, they were struggling with their own.
How long had it been since there had been an actual slave revolt at that point? Two-hundred years? The slavers weren't struggling that badly.
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>>465866
Go back, trawny

>>465869
No u

>>465867
Ok, I really need to expand on how I view the Roman history in general so you can understand where I am coming from.

First, the basic foundational element of the roman and ancient way of life is civitas - a polis commune. A commune with common polis lands, assembly, magistracies, division of labor by "orders" and all the bells and whistles that come with it. This commune by its very nature produces slavery because to enable expanded reproduction of the polis beyond the family unit and a mutual neighbor help you need non-citizens.
The foundation of the civitas, a citizen who can take part in the public life of the polis (including deciding agrarian policy) - a self-sufficient free farmer.
The polis ideology was such that wealthier citizens were morally required to "take care" of their poorer brethren. From this you have what in general could be called "bread and circuses" and later in the Empire basically basic income for the poorest citizens of Rome.
The poorest citizens of Rome in the course of its history have won some concessions including a say in the decisions of agrarian policy. They got land all around Italy and then the Meditterain.

Long story short, for the last century of the Republic for the large part the Roman state was conducting a program of the populares in its agrarian policy. The Emperors of the first century for the most part continued this program by confiscating the lands of large landowners and redistributing them to the citizens.
Then came the Antonines who were the henchmen of the senate, who branded the previous emperors as "tyrants", who ended the practice of land redistributions, and so you see a rapid growth of large landownership, with the first landowner and the feudal being the Emperor himself (the villas of the emperor were among the first to widely use colonate on their lands), which was a death warrant to the Roman civitas and the roman army and so to the Roman Empire itself as a political entity (which is what happened further down the line).

So in the light of all this, I see Commodus and the later soldier emperors as a reaction (and a belated one at that) to this existential threat to the Roman civitas.

4chan is a compromised glowop

>>465310
Yes, I know, I have an opinion. How shocking.
So what's your point? Do you have an argument, or just insults?

The best ideas in ISAIF originally came from the Technological Society, which imo, does a better way of conveying it but is much longer and verbose.

I actually don't know if Ted actually read Marx or any early century author, or how much research he's done into them. But it's not as if Ted's views were the result of mental illness or trauma.

For a primativist he was still pretty based and red pilled. The issue with terrorism, again, always comes down to the selfish motivation of it. It's ultra-leftist action and turns the general popuation against you. Not to mention the fact he was just wrong

>>465684
>terrorism
>selfish motivation
>it's ultra-leftist
Cringe.

Terrorism is infra-leftist since it is born out of thinking that it is just some people are a problem and not their position in the political system that will always put new replacement parts into itself the moment the positions become vacant.

>>465528
>china by every metric is capitalist
This book is the single book you will need to read in your life, m8. Just read it, "comrade,"… it ain't too long. If you think that a "comrade" should become accustomed to "both sides of the issue," than this fucking book is yours.

>>465529
>ppl who use leftychan.net are using it because they are "fash"
lmao, kys

>>465540
based

>>465558
>>465555
unironically, yes

>>465521
These kinds of people don't require payment or control. They are just that stupid.

>>465529
Oh yeah the mods aren’t totally trooned out libs

>>465223
>Is it reasonable to make a distinct between different types of capital at this stage of capitalism:
Yes sub categories can make sense.

>Productive capital
>Finance capital
Marx made those same sub categories but called the latter fictional capital.

>Social control capital
Not sure what exactly that is but do elaborate.

>Sales and business services (tertiary paper pusher) capital
do you mean distribution ?

>Communication capital
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>>465227
I suppose it would to someone who has no idea what those words mean.

"Capital" has a fairly specific definition tied to finance. All of these are just ways for people with nothing to pretend they possess something, and at the same time elide what capital even is and spookify it. There is a clumsy attempt to subordinate all political possibilities to wealth, and thus the manipulations of those who sit at the apex of the current regime. This also attempts to make the capitalist indispensible, when the typical capitalist does not involve himself in the management of anything. Capitalism implied a collective share in enterprises through stocks and so on. It's not the society of small shopkeepers, but the society of people paying in to prop up large corporations and the new nobility.

Control of the machinery - the things your money goes towards - is not so much financial control, but operational control. Those who operate the machines are in the position to change the system, but they see no reason to. The present situation relies on an alliance between those who operate the most important machines and those who dole out the wealth; and so it has favored propagandists, trained liars, and those who are tasked with depopulation above all. That is what is valued today.

>>465414
>"Capital" has a fairly specific definition tied to finance.
Capital is simply the self-expansion of starting value. Finance capital is only one of its forms.

>>465454
The point of capital is that you express it as equivalent to some sort of gold or currency, rather than capital being interpreted as any political force or force of nature. There is no such thing as "social capital". That's a bunch of ideology obscuring what actually happens and the nature of the present arrangement. There is industrial capital because industrialists need money to make money and serve a function in the system, but there's not "bureaucratic capital". Bureaucracies exist for reasons that have nothing to do with capital, and would exist if capitalism were abandoned.

>>465381
>Omg, my brand no phone is a commodity and requires a service package. Why can't we have a perfect world like I imagine. I hate capitalism!!!
Maybe you're just dim and naive?

>>465382
No, simply staying that it wasn't an alternative egalitarian mode of production which supplies those things.
>I wonder why the world isn't perfect
Literally naive

>>465384
What the fuck is this faggotry? Computers exist in the first place because there were people who understood the market is not made of magic. That phone and that computer exist because someone figured out that letting petty-managers rule was stupid, and so they turn to the machine god since these managers are too fucking incompetent to manage effectively, and absolutely refuse to do basic shit. People like you are nothing but a cancer on anything we would want to produce, and you do it purely for the faggotry.

>>465388
I'm arguing with an emotional child

>>465390
You are not arguing at all.

>>465363
I am not seeing how such a thing would play out. What is this "crash?" Is it caused by the hoarding that said whales are engaged in? If so, how? Even in such a scenario, why would they eliminate their own coins instead of exchanging them for other speculative assets?

What is "growth" in this case? Just line-go-up on the price of the asset?

>>465365
I was more talking about a hypothetical scenario where some crypto replaces fiat
in this case a "crash" would mean a recession with a chain reaction
in such a situation the pressure on whales from the suffering bourgeoisie would be such that they will cave in

if we're talking about a situation where crypto remains on the margins of the capitalist system - then a "crash" would mean a crash in price, ie due to the decreasing influx of new investors
in such a situation whales may find it to be more profitable to increase the supply beyond the cap to attract new investors

>Even in such a scenario, why would they eliminate their own coins instead of exchanging them for other speculative assets?
Again, if we're talking about crypto as a reserve currency - in a crash all is going to be in red
the crypto would be the safest harbor if it's anything like gold

if we're talking about crypto as it is today - they just can't, even if they want
they need to convert to fiat first, and if the whales try to cash out majority of their coins - they will crash the price and the crypto market will run out of liquidity faster than a leaky bucket in a desert

>>465367
>in such a situation the pressure on whales from the suffering bourgeoisie would be such that they will cave in
What pressure can smaller porkies put on big porkies? The big ones like to devour the weaker, smaller ones, not help them up when they fall down.
>in such a situation whales may find it to be more profitable to increase the supply beyond the cap to attract new investors
Wouldn't that likley come in the form of more mining?
>Again, if we're talking about crypto as a reserve currency - in a crash all is going to be in red
the crypto would be the safest harbor if it's anything like gold
I would hesitate to call something that is so prone to price fluctuations a safe harbor.
>if the whales try to cash out majority of their coins - they will crash the price and the crypto market will run out of liquidity faster than a leaky bucket in a desert
Just don't be the last sucker holding the coins.

>>465372
>What pressure can smaller porkies put on big porkies?
the pressure of greater numbers
it's also not necessary that other, industry oriented, porkies are less bigger and influential
capitalists also try to diversify so I imagine whales would have assets across multiple industries, just like banks dabble in everything

>Wouldn't that likley come in the form of more mining?
miners live off transaction fees after network hits the cap

>I would hesitate to call something that is so prone to price fluctuations a safe harbor.
I imagine it would stabilize if it gets adopted as a reserve currency

>Just don't be the last sucker holding the coins.
that's the problem - the whale would be holding the bag long before he can completely cash out, there is just that little liquidity to go around relative to the market cap

it's more profitable to get a loan with your crypto "assets" as a collateral or something

>>465392
>the pressure of greater numbers
Those greater numbers had better be expressions of capital value.
>it's also not necessary that other, industry oriented, porkies are less bigger and influential
Are you thinking like Bezos butting heads with Buffett? That would get ugly.
>capitalists also try to diversify so I imagine whales would have assets across multiple industries, just like banks dabble in everything
In this global capitalism, ownership of everything really is spread out across the entire ruling class.
>I imagine it would stabilize if it gets adopted as a reserve currency
Crypto would have to be currency before it can be a reserve currency, and it is really bad at that.
>it's more profitable to get a loan with your crypto "assets" as a collateral or something
Lel, it's funny how much of finance boils down to just scammers scamming scammers.

>>455198
>Like censorship for example.
t. the exact sort of idiot we don't want running a post-revolutionary government.

>>465104
Some people believe dictatorship of the proletariat just means a dictatorship. We call them retards.

>>453601
>opinion on forced vaccinations?
In principle you do not want to have political interference in medical treatments, and leave the decision to doctors and patients.

Viruses are a communicable disease, that changes the dynamic a little bit, whether or not you vaccinate your self does affect other people too.

The history of mandatory public vaccinations is a huge success, countless nasty plagues have been eradicated, when those plagues were still around people voted with their feet for these vaccination programs.

Mandatory vaccinations programs have always been subjected to extremely high medical safety testing and that's why developing vaccines usually takes over 10 years.

Whether the vaccination programs will remain trustworthy in a grim dark capitalist future with even more corporate influence on institutions, is debatable. Like recently Bill Gates the monopolist computer software guy, was for some incomprehensible reason involved in world health affairs. Maybe they got confused because MS Windows also has viruses?

I guess that open sourcing vaccines and all the related knowledge-base and technologies would be a good way to have at least some structure that pulls towards more ethical conduct.

>>465099
kek this guy has priorities

If anyone approves of vaccines by the fucking British Eugenics Society they are idiots. They knew they had to threaten people with termination to take those shots from the outset, which should tell anyone with a functioning brain all they need to know. It turns out "covid" is a nasty cold and not the fucking black death, which is a surprise to no one who isn't completely retarded about biology.

Anyone suggesting children, who are under coercive pressure from authorities from every direction, should go against the wishes of their parents after being threatened with consequences in private, is a piece of shit and should not be allowed to tell anyone anything about anything.

Mass vaccination has never been a sound strategy for controlling disease. We didn't always have a mandated schedule of a million different vaccines with threats of being shut out of society if you didn't comply. Putting any vaccine into someone was not something taken lightly, and always considered known risks of the process. Further, you can only grant immunity to certain diseases, and infectious disease by itself is usually treatable and does not spread far in any sort of sanitary conditions. It just so happens that eugenics destroyed standard of living and pushed everyone to live in filth and depravity - gee I wonder why. The idea of lockdowns is itself so absurd that I don't even know where to begin, and most people ignored that shit anyway. The only people who had to suffer were China, and they suffered more from the lockdowns than the supposed disease which doesn't even exist in the way Imperial Fucking College said it did. You know they were digging out of the trashbin of British academia when they were looking at Imperial Fucking College. But hey, if you want to follow the British Eugenics Society, you're a fucking idiot, but go right ahead.

From the start this discourse is poisoned with derails and red herrings, and ignores the obvious that the ruling class DOES NOT WANT YOU TO HAVE ANYTHING. I can't believe this is still a question on the left. Everyone should be opposed to this shit. Even a lot of libs are done with the mandatory vaccines and lockdowns. They would have to declare martial law to impose them again, because no one has any reason to trust this government ever again. They know damn well what this is and you're asshats for acting like it's something other than the obvious thing. Given that the ruling class has been screaming for blood, thisPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>465206
The "British Eugenics Society" didn't develop the Covid vaccine. Nice try, though. Not reading the rest of your post, plus you're a namefag. Kill yourself.