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 No.474710[Reply]

<Materialist explanation for libs both supporting censorship and constantly lying?

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/real_clear_opinion_research/poll_is_censorship_a_partisan_issue_149790.html

>The concept of free speech dates to the 5th century B.C. in ancient Greece and was codified in America’s founding documents on Dec. 15, 1791, with the ratification of the Bill of Rights. The 45-word First Amendment prohibited Congress from “abridging freedom of speech, or of the press,” and has been long understood to include any branch of government….


>Some of what is dividing these differences is generational, as Millennials and Gen-Z have come of age in a digital age environment in which reasonable expectations of privacy seem a relic of the past. “Those under 30 are most open to censorship by the government,” Kimball noted, adding that 42% of this cohort deem it “more important” to them that the government protect national security than guard the right to free expression. Among those over 65 years old, the corresponding percentage was 26%.


>Also, a gender gap reveals itself, one that dovetails with the discrepancy in party registration between men and women — but which is more pronounced. Asked whether they support free speech even if it’s “deeply offensive,” 78% of men answered affirmatively, compared to 66% of women.


>But the most glaring gap is between conservatives and liberals, i.e., between Republicans and Democrats. On the issue of free expression, at least, Republicans are not the authoritarian party…


>•Republican voters (74%) and independents (61%) believe speech should be legal “under any circumstances, while Democrats are almost evenly divided. A bare majority of Democrats (53%) say speech should be legal under any circumstances, while 47% say it should be legal “only under certain circumstances.”

>•Nearly one-third of Democratic voters (34%) say Americans have “too much freedom.” This compared to 14.6% of Republicans. Republicans were most likely to say Americans have too little freedom (46%), while only 22% of Democrats fPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.474730

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Malcolm knew all about it
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 No.474749

>>474721
Has this passed peer review and been published in the journal it was targeting yet? I really wish people would stop using pre-prints from rxiv as justification for important scientific developments, it's a very bad habit.
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 No.474760

<Materialist explanation for libs both supporting censorship and constantly lying?
>A bare majority of Democrats (53%) say speech should be legal under any circumstances, while 47% say it should be legal “only under certain circumstances.”
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 No.474761

>>474716
This reads like a right-wing fantasy of what conservatives are like. There's a weird optimism here about right-wingers which fails to grasp how full of shit most of them are. They aren't consistent - if anything, they pay lip-service to ideals like freedom of speech and freedom of religion, and then betray them even harder than the "left" libs. Propertarians are the only exception, way more right-wingers will say "how dare the government tell me how to raise my kids, run my business, how to practice my religion" and then turn right around and tell other people how to raise their kids, run their business, and practice their religion. The difference is that more centrist libs admit to doing this.
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>>474710
>Some of what is dividing these differences is generational, as Millennials and Gen-Z have come of age in a digital age environment in which reasonable expectations of privacy seem a relic of the past. “Those under 30 are most open to censorship by the government,” Kimball noted, adding that 42% of this cohort deem it “more important” to them that the government protect national security than guard the right to free expression.

100% glowies trying to manufacture consent.

If you asked people: Should the government be able to trample you rights simply by evoking a concept like "national security" Virtually everybody would say "Fuck NO".

If you asked people would you rather live have free expression or would you like to live under a censorship regime. Virtually everybody chooses free expression over censorship

If you asked people about whether they want their lives to be opaque enough that they have privacy, or whether they want to be spied upon the entire time. Virtually anybody would choose privacy.

There is no consent for privacy violations and violations of free speech.


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Maui fires raise questions over warnings, death toll hits 80

"MAALAEA, Hawaii, Aug 11 (Reuters) - The death toll from the Maui wildfires rose to 80 on Friday as search teams combed through the smoldering ruins of Lahaina, and Hawaiian officials sought to determine how the inferno spread so rapidly through the historic resort town with little warning.

The fires became the deadliest natural disaster in the state's history, surpassing that of a tsunami that killed 61 people on the Big Island of Hawaii in 1960, a year after Hawaii joined the United States.

Officials have warned that search teams with cadaver dogs could still find more dead from the fire that torched 1,000 buildings and left thousands homeless, likely requiring many years and billions of dollars to rebuild.

"Nobody has entered any of these structures that have burned down and that's where we unfortunately anticipate that the death toll will rise significantly," U.S. Senator Brian Schatz of Hawaii told MSNBC.

In a late evening statement, Maui County said that the death toll had risen to 80.

The Lahaina fire that spread from the brush to town was still burning but 85% contained, the county said earlier. Two other wildfires on the island were 80% and 50% contained.

Three days after the disaster, it remained unclear whether some residents had received any warning before the fire engulfed their homes.
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 No.473983

>>473845
>It's just temporary, prole!
I mean you're not wrong, there's a risk that they end up stuck in the tempcontainers.

I wonder how one would organize something like this to remove the risk of people getting left behind.
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 No.473985

>>473983
>there's a risk that they end up stuck in the tempcontainers.
While that is true, the alternative is to provide these people nothing to appease schizos. Again, the gentrification of NO was a far more serious issue than fucking FEMA camps. It's a conversation designed to distract from the real issue, which is the transfer of wealth and property from the poor to the very rich.
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 No.474057

>>473985
>the alternative is to provide these people nothing to appease schizos
>THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE, PROLES
>We built these concentration camps out of the kindness of our hearts!
>The displaced couldn't possibly be allowed to live in houses or apartments
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 No.474076

>>474057
Temporary housing isn't a concentration camp. Nobody is required to go there. Nice try, though, schizo.
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 No.474705

>>474076
it's a literal pogrom to herd people into shipping crates. kill yourself fed.


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 No.473268[Reply]

Haz Retardation Appreciation General
/HRAG/

Post your best highlights from the most insightful midwit in Amerikwa
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 No.474554

>>474551
Good point
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 No.474563

>>473268
Honestly you could spend all day picking him apart and criticizing him. But at the end of the day his class position is literally some kind of bourg (he has literally confirmed this and him having the carelessness to drop out of law school confirms this) and now his class position is that of a lumpen grifter. That’s all you need to know. He hasn’t tried removing himself from his class position by either Getting a job or touring the nation and deeply analyzing the classes and working conditions like Lenin did.
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 No.474564

>>474563
You uyghurs are beyond autistic. You can take one look at Haz and his social media and tell he's a retarded broken clock
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 No.474567

>>474564
Okay retard you didn’t even read my post
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 No.474568

Haz is trying to hard to be based which is the antithesis of based


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 No.459598[Reply]

After much discussion and being voted for by a democratic majority, in the matrix. the new leftychan constitution has come into effect, replacing the outdated pre-split document. This should hopefully provide more clarity over the general goal of leftychan, the rights of users, the powers and constraints of mods as well as the specifics of how our user democracy functions. Please feel free to ask any questions regarding the constitution in this thread or in the Matrix Congress room, which we encourage you all to join using the link above.
Additionally, another vote has passed to trial a self-improvement board on /777/ under the name of /chad/, which will be the roulette board for the next two months, replacing /roy/. Finally, for those not in the matrix chats, here is a recent votes and their outcomes:

10/21/22 - All mod account and janny accounts that have been inactive for 15 weeks or longer be deleted on the staff democratically decided upon. PASSED - 5 Yes - 0 Nay
10/15/22 - Make the maga communism thread cyclical in order to keep the board from getting shit up with tons of maga communism threads NOT PASS - 1 Yea, 4 Nay
10/11/22 - Tupamaro becomes an official jannoid PASS - 5 Yea, 1 Nay
10/11/22- /a/ will return to the board roster PASSED - 6 yeah 0 Nay
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 No.470110

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>>459739
>Yes, mods should decide which posts spread Nazism and fascism. If mods fuck up too much, you remove them. Don't make idiots mods (like ogre).
Gods, I just can't with you retards..

<here's my solution! do the EXACT same thing again and again and expect a different result! Problem is always with individuals, ie BAD jannies! Just have GOOD jannies! Easy!

fucking genius
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 No.470187

>>470110
Go back.
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 No.470729

>>470187
bro what if we just had good cops?
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 No.474512

>>459622
>no rules
>makes rules
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 No.477605

>>459622
>rules bad
>now here are my new list of rules
Never change individualist anarchists.


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 No.471806[Reply]

You heard me. The fuck was wrong with them? Those monuments are creepy as fuck. Children dancing around a crocodile? Really? It's like they were made for a disaster.
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 No.471838

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>>471808
Idolatry ist still kringke
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 No.474475

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unironically………………………………………………………………………………………….. … they didnt keep it real
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 No.474476

The Soviets made mostly awesome statues

https://farside.link/invidious/watch?v=_5X2BvMS4yQ
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 No.474478

>>471807
It came before bioshock so it's really the inspiration for it?
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 No.474511

>>471807
>Just look at this shit. This is straight out of Bioshock.
Reminded me of this video, lol


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 No.472596[Reply]

As some of you anons might be aware, Donald Trump has just been indicted a fourth time in a series of lawsuits designed to prevent him from running for office again. Trump is, of course, not being prosecuted over his many high crimes–the same high crimes that every other president has committed and gotten away with–instead, the lawsuits are only over completely frivolous shit, the illegality of which is dubious. The legal system is thus being used in ways it's never been used before to violate the unwritten rule that rulers are above the law and immune to legal retribution. The are historic parallels for this.

We saw what happened in Rome when this began to occur. The Roman legal system was used in unprecedented ways in Tiberius Gracchus's struggle against the Roman oligarchy for populist land reforms, the legal system used to undermine the powers of elected officials, both Gracchus himself and his opponents. This eventually culminated in the Senate-organized murder of Gracchus. What ensued after was a spiral of escalations where politicians became emboldened to use increasingly violent methods to go after their rivals, until finally the legal system was ignored entirely and culminated in a hundred years of civil wars and hundreds of years of despotic dictatorships.

My question is this: what should the left be doing when a crisis of faith in the current state's legal system seems to be approaching?
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 No.474488

>>474485
Not as fucking garbage as this fag.
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 No.474496

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>>474488
Remember these are the people calling you a soyboy and saying poljak looks nothing like themselves
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 No.474498

>>474496
And that has what to do with this thread?
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 No.474499

>>474488
>Omg, this guy's fashion is a statement against my fashion
Dork
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 No.476930

>>473299
>they
>the common prole
>Trump
>Tate
>Elon
>I guess booj in-fighting is a good thing for the proles
>maybe their divisions can be taken advantage of, but I don't know where to start really
Keep doing good work, agent!


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 No.465728[Reply]

So the entire UFO happening was the US military spending big bux to shoot down hobby-balloons.
I feel bad for the people who have that hobby, they probably thought that balloons were so harmless that nobody would ever bother to disturb their happy fun time.

Why did this thing turn into such a big deal ?
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 No.468100

>>465728

When America's "right" is in power it's all "we are the strongest, haha, look at our might."
When America's "left" is in power it's all "well, we can't let the "right" call us weak, better be exactly as retarded and let them get whatever they want and blame the voters"
It's very disconcerting, or it ought to be!
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 No.468101

>>466869

Idk… I mean all this shit has had computers in it forever. The US seems to want every piece of its own tech to have a double-purpose for surveillance, it's probably something which could be done. It's dumb, but… the whole thing is fucking dumb. The US is paranoid, but also kinda should be… but the American public should be more paranoid about the American state itself.
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 No.468111

>>468101
If the US wants to have surveillance for those cranes, can't they just stick their own surveillance equipment on those cranes ?

>The US is paranoid, but also kinda should be…

In that case I don't get it. From a technical point of view the most secure crane, is the one that uses technical minimalism. If you only implement the technology needed to operate the crane, the attack surface for subverting it's function is the smallest. If you add more features like surveillance, that massively increases the attack surface.

As far as container security goes, i would try to figure out ways to scan their contents for malicious stuff. The scan method has to be fast and economical, so x-ray-ing a bazillion containers is out. However you can scan for particulate emissions to find hazardous materials like toxic chemicals or explosives. You only need an air-pump and a molecular-particle detector to extract a container-gas-sample, which only adds a few seconds to container processing because it only requires sticking in a small suction-tube in one of the many container-drain-holes. That method is neigh impossible to beat because it will detect particles even through many layers of plastic wrap. Inherent Molecular vibration means all containers leak a little. A few molecules will always manage to wiggle through the walls of any container, and even low cost mol-dedectors are ridiculously sensitive.

>the American public should be more paranoid about the American state itself.

Even if you trust your own government, you have to be aware that all technical backdoors are very promiscuous.
In a potential cyber-war between the US and China, the Chinese will have access to all those backdoors as well. Backdoors have become near-infinite-value targets, and any rational actor with the means to pay the price for getting in, will do so. This isn't just my opinion, this is what most technical security researches think.
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 No.468183

Apparently the Chinese refused to set up a meeting to talk about the balloon with US delegates.

https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=6OhL4AawYvk&t=4120

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 No.474474

https://farside.link/invidious/watch?v=zgWv3kXUn10

So the US government has now confirmed that the Chinese spy weather balloon was indeed blown off course by accident/weather, and the pentagons examinations of the balloon wreckage concludes that it did not activate its sensors while being over US territory.


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 No.474269[Reply]

Azerbaijani forces strike Armenian-controlled Karabakh, raising risk of new Caucasus war
Azerbaijan sent troops backed by artillery strikes into Armenian-controlled Nagorno-Karabakh on Tuesday in an attempt to bring the breakaway region to heel by force, raising the threat of a new war with its neighbour Armenia. Karabakh is internationally recognised as Azerbaijani territory but part of it is run by separatist Armenian authorities who say the area is their ancestral homeland. The South Caucasus region has been at the centre of two wars - the latest in 2020 - since the 1991 fall of the Soviet Union.
https://www.reuters.com/world/azerbaijan-says-six-its-citizens-were-killed-by-land-mines-karabakh-2023-09-19/

Communications cut to flood-hit Libya city after protests
Communications were severed Tuesday to the flood-hit Libyan city of Derna and journalists were asked to leave, a day after hundreds protested against authorities they blamed for the thousands of deaths. A tsunami-sized flash flood broke through two ageing river dams upstream from the city on the night of September 10 and razed entire neighbourhoods, sweeping untold thousands into the Mediterranean Sea.
https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2023/09/communications-cut-flood-hit-libya-city-after-protests

Tunisian authorities evict hundreds of undocumented sub-Saharan migrants
TUNISIAN authorities carried out a mass eviction on Monday of hundreds of undocumented sub-Saharan African immigrants from the improvised camps they occupied in the south of the country. The evictions from the camps in the city of Sfax continues what observers have called a campaign of repression by Tunisian authorities against the migrants. Authorities dispersed the migrants into small groups and forced them to seek shelter in small rural towns, according to statements by local activists. Tunisia has been the scene of a rising number of racist attacks on migrants since last February when President Kais Saied accused undocumented immigrants of causing a wave of crime and of wanting to change the Arab ethnic identity of Tunisia.
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 No.474438

>>474437
Yes ofc you're right. They are still a thing and do still exist but to the degree that they have sway over the economic conditions of our time is questionable. This is noticable in the sheer powerlessness held by the working class in many first world countries. Before industry was shipped over seas huge powerful strikes were pretty common place but now even to their credit unions are largely organized around service industry jobs and the thing about service is it's the bottom of the economic hierarchy. The nature of the work itself makes the labor easily replaceable and expendable. Walmart has the power to simply close up shop at the meter threat of Union activity. This is largely due to the fact that production is the most powerful element of the economy and that has been eroded over time and replaced with service and finance which are easily replaceable.
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 No.474440

>>474413
>There's millions of bullshit jobs
ok if a job is bullshit it might not be possible to calculate a SNLT, but then you have to ask why one wouldn't give people jobs where they perform useful tasks instead.

>when prices were really high on our products they expected us to produce more and faster

>you can increase or decrease the amount of time it takes to make product.
you average out all the fluctuations for SNLT calculations.
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 No.474441

>>474438

It's down mostly to union busting and neoliberal policies. In an economy where a certain amount of unemployment was not portrayed as desirable, and where keeping domestic production up was seen as more valuable than lowering costs of production (with lower labor foreign standards), service workers would not be so easy to replace - in fact, we're slowly seeing it change so that service workers in some regions have a little bit more leverage because it is becoming more difficult to find people to fill those positions for such low pay. Decisions were made at the political level to limit worker power and remove checks on corporate power.
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 No.474447

>>474441
No I disagree with thism this is an idealistic take. First and foremost the mechanism of capitalism will always trend towards the maximization of profits. This is why capitalists lobbies the government for the last70 years in order to ship jobs over seas and bust unions in the first place. That is why labor has been sent over seas and automated in the first place. And sure service workers can deff be organized and increase the value of their labor through collective bargaining but at the end of the day it doesn't take any real skill to put boxes on a shelf. Fast for work I can agree is slightly more skilled but even still. At the end of the day there's billions of hungry wanting people waiting to take your place. The service Industry is and will always be the weakest rung of the economy and they know this this is why they have gutted agriculture through technology and decimated industry through exporting it over seas.
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 No.474463

>>474447
I'm sorry I'm typing like a fucking retard too.
I'm at work still so I can only use my fuckin phone.


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 No.473597[Reply]

How do you apply Marxist theory? Is it even feasible or possible in today's climate?

And if it isn't practicable, isn't theory without application shit (Mao's words, not mine)?
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 No.474082

>>474069
Painting fascism in red is still fascism.
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 No.474083

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 No.474085

>>474074
>>474081
>>474082
cringe poster

>>474083
hm i didn't know there was overlap with leftcom-theory and neoliberal ideology.
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 No.474099

>>473830
This is why “leftism” is such a stupid deviation. Even Marxist “critical” of leftist tendencies fall into this pit of ideology,aesthetics and general politics. ironically if Marx and Engels were alive today they would think leftists are annoying and lame while they would exchange emails about some random fucking conservative economist or something who happens to have a material grasp on economic
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 No.474215

>>474099
Marx even thought the leftists of his time were lame and annoying.


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 No.474089[Reply]

During the covid happening, wearing a particle-filter-mask was turned into a politically polarizing symbol of conformity. Most of the wearable particle-filter-gear was of the surgical-mask type which are also unpleasant to wear. These also only were 70% effective because they lack a proper air-seal for the skin-contact areas. Many people also didn't like that faces were partially obscured.

This has seriously degraded the perception of wearable filter-gear.

All the technical short-commings can be fixed, there are comfortable face-filters, that being transparent, do not mask parts of people's faces and have decent air-seals that make them very effective. If 80% of the population could be convinced to willingly wear those during flu-season, it might be possible to diminish the common-flue enough that most people wouldn't suffer any symptoms.

Can face filters be rehabilitated ?
Can people see these as particle filters that might free them from getting the sniffles and sneezies, instead of a political symbol ?
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 No.474097

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>>474095
>That ought to be a fixable flaw.
Well yeah, here's your fix.
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 No.474098

>>474097
A modified re-breather loop is actually not a bad idea.
You would not need CO2 scrubber material or an oxygen supply. You only need to make the loop out of a suitable gas-permeable materiel, that will equalize CO2 and oxygen concentrations with the outside air, via molecular exchange through the gas-permeable barrier. It's basically a filter that needs zero air-flow, because it can exploit Dalton’s Law.

<The Pressure of a Mixture of Gases: Dalton’s Law

<Unless they chemically react with each other, the individual gases in a mixture of gases do not affect each other’s pressure. Each individual gas in a mixture exerts the same pressure that it would exert if it was present alone in the container. The pressure exerted by each individual gas in a mixture is called its partial pressure .

Basically the air you breath out into the re-breather-loop only has around 16% oxygen left in it. The partial pressure for oxygen inside the re-breather-loop would be much lower than the outside air. Pressure equalization would draw in lots of oxygen-gas through the gas-permeable material. The same would happen for CO2 but in the other direction. Gas-permeability only needs holes large enough for molecules to fit through, viruses are huge compared to molecules.
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 No.474105

>>474091

As a non-science guy, why should I trust that instead of this?

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2119266119
>We resolve conflicting results regarding mask wearing against COVID-19. Most previous work focused on mask mandates; we study the effect of mask wearing directly. We find that population mask wearing notably reduced SARS-CoV-2 transmission (mean mask-wearing levels corresponding to a 19% decrease in R). We use the largest wearing survey (n = 20 million) and obtain our estimates from regions across six continents. >We account for nonpharmaceutical interventions and time spent in public, and quantify our uncertainty. Factors additional to mask mandates influenced the worldwide early uptake of mask wearing. Our analysis goes further than past work in the quality of wearing data–100 times the size with random sampling–geographical scope, a semimechanistic infection model, and the validation of our results.
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 No.474106

>>474105
Because the Cochraine review is a meta study of multiple randomized controlled trials, while that PNAS paper is an observational study based on self-reported data without any experimental design. Carefully controlled experimental design is more reliable at removing confounding variables than observational data.
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 No.474107

>>474106
I'm reading an article rn in which a guy claims that the Cochrane review included studies in which N95s were used "intermittently."
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/expert-slams-gold-standard-cochrane-review-mask-verdict/news-story/af7f698fefb0d4ea3e742a2fba3e06b3
>“The Conchrane review combined studies that were dissimilar — they were in different settings (healthcare and community) and measuring different outcomes (continuous use ofN95 vs intermittent),” she said.

If it was broad enough that mask use wasn't even required to be consistent, that seems like it might be too broad.

It also looks like Cochrane themselves have acknowledged the limits of their review:
https://www.cochrane.org/news/statement-physical-interventions-interrupt-or-reduce-spread-respiratory-viruses-review
>The review authors are clear on the limitations in the abstract: 'The high risk of bias in the trials, variation in outcome measurement, and relatively low adherence with the interventions during the studies hampers drawing firm conclusions.' Adherence in this context refers to the number of people who actually wore the provided masks when encouraged to do so as part of the intervention. For example, in the most heavily-weighted trial of interventions to promote community mask wearing, 42.3% of people in the intervention arm wore masks compared to 13.3% of those in the control arm.

This seems in line with the flaws the Australian critic pointed to…


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