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 No.467207[View All]

San Francisco board open to reparations with $5M payouts
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/san-francisco-decide-black-reparations-plan-5m-person-rcna74873
Cope and seethe CHUDs anti idpolers kek
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 No.467318

>>467316
>Western Europeans are dirt poor because they still live under the legacy of feudalism
yes, I'm still poor because of the legacy of the feudalism

where's my money?
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 No.467319

>>467315
Rome is gone. And there's no legacy from Roman slavery give me a break. Meanwhile a direct line can be drawn from chattel slavery to prison slavery and police brutality.
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 No.467320

>>467316
>Oh wait that's not the case at all kek.
Actually yes it is the case, especially in places like Spain, southern Italy, etc. All of Europe isn't Switzerland, France, and Germany.
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 No.467321

>>467318
That's not true, but keep concern trolling. You're butt hurt racism isn't at all obvious kek.
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 No.467322

>>467319
>Rome is gone.
The Confederation is gone.

Direct line can be drawn from Rome to feudal Europe to current Capitalism through the process of primitive accumulation

Where's my money?
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 No.467323

>>467320
No, western Europe enjoys some of the highest standards in the world.
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 No.467324

>>467321
There's clearly a racist in here, it's the one that keeps asserting that race is real and can be defined precisely enough to serve as the basis for reparations.
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 No.467325

>>467321
>That's not true
I think it is.

where's my money?
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 No.467326

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Does San Francisco even have a single black resident?
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 No.467327

>>467322
>The Confederation is gone.
But slavery in the US isn't. Chattel slavery, didn't end until 1940 anyway. It continued on via prisoner leasing.
>Direct line can be drawn from Rome to feudal Europe to current
No, feudal kingdoms didn't use slaves, they used peasants.
>Capitalism through the process of primitive accumulation
Yes, blacks are used in the US as slaves for the purpose of primitive accumulation.
>Where's my money?
Your material conditions aren't the result of chattel slavery.
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 No.467328

>>467324
Race isn't real, but racism is. I know saying "race isn't real" impresses your fellow /pol/yps but no one outside your hug box takes that kind of stuff serioiusly.
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 No.467329

>>467327
>Chattel slavery, didn't end until 1940 anyway. It continued on via prisoner leasing.
You may call forced prison labor slavery if you please, the 13th amendment carved it out as an exception after all, but referring to this as "chattel" slavery is quite a stretch.

>Yes, blacks are used in the US as slaves for the purpose of primitive accumulation.

Yeah, in 1800.
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 No.467330

>>467325
Do you think you're black?
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 No.467331

>>467330
No I think I'm a poor wagie.

where's my money?
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 No.467332

>>467329
Prisoner leasing is literally chattel slavery. Please look up what that word means. In some ways it was worse because leases were cheaper than buying slaves, so leased prisoners died even more often than antebellum slaves.
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 No.467333

>>467331
The reparations are for chattel slavery which being a wagie isn't equivalent to.
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 No.467334

>>467327
>they used peasants.
yes, serfdom slavery

>blacks are used in the US as slaves for the purpose of primitive accumulation.

so white prisoners are not subject to "chattel slavery"?

>Your material conditions aren't the result of chattel slavery.

they are results of ancient chattel slavery all through serfdom slavery and to current wagie slavery

where's my money?
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 No.467335

>>467331
Reparations are for horrific crimes, my gawd you are such a butt hurt little punk.
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 No.467336

>>467333
>The reparations are for chattel slavery which being a wagie isn't equivalent to.
where are my reparations for ancient chattel slavery?
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 No.467337

>>467335
what about horrific crimes committed against my ancestors all throughout centuries?

where's my money?
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 No.467338

Okay anon, let's say you can actually justify free shit for only certain people based on identity politics instead of things like class or socioeconomic conditions, and somehow you can actually construct a broad political coalition to win it. How will you determine who deserves the free shit? Should everyone with a single drop of melanin in their ancestry get the free shit? What if they descend mostly from slave owners but also have some Sally Hemings in their lineage?
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 No.467339

>>467334
>yes, serfdom slavery
serfdom =/= chattel slavery
>so white prisoners are not subject to "chattel slavery"?
Peripherally sure, but there was never a "War on Drugs" "Sundown Towns" or Police brutality on the scale blacks endured. This is a direct legacy of chattel slavery.
>they are results of ancient chattel slavery all through serfdom slavery and to current wagie slavery
kek No, whites on average have 300k in family equity. Blacks have 5k.
>where's my money?
It's not coming, because you were never effected by chattel slavery.
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 No.467340

>>467339
>No, whites on average have 300k in family equity.
I'm sure they're happy to know how much their average benefits from the fortunes of Bills Gates and Jeff Bezos.
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 No.467341

>>467339
>serfdom =/= chattel slavery
where's my money for ancient chattel slavery?

>Peripherally sure

how is it "peripherally"
they are literally prisoners, contrary to some uyghur college graduate suburbanite

>whites on average

I'm not an average
I'm a poor wagie
WHERE IS MY MONEY?

>It's not coming, because you were never effected by chattel slavery.

great
have fun organizing against capitalists when they press your uyghur ass

enjoy your "reparations" dipshit extracted out of the poor white wagies and the third world
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 No.467342

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>>467339
>there was never Police brutality on the scale blacks endured
lol this canard again?
https://nonsite.org/how-racial-disparity-does-not-help-make-sense-of-patterns-of-police-violence/
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 No.467343

>>467338
OMG the first response that's not a triggered racist. Okay I'll try to make this good.
>Okay anon, let's say you can actually justify free shit for only certain people based on identity politics instead of things like class or socioeconomic conditions, and somehow you can actually construct a broad political coalition to win it.
You are behind the times, did you not read the OP. A major metro just announced DETAILED plans distribute reparations. Yeah, it may still fall flat on it's face, but the fact that it even got this far is a major coup.
I'm under no illusion that this is being done out of altruism.
What's happening is that capitalism is dismantling the settler colonist class (aka white people). It's not needed anymore, not in the information age.
All the world's greatest wealth is generated from knowledge work, not extracting raw goods from colonies.
Having a settler class is just an extraneous expense now. It's really stupid for a capitalist to pay six figures to a software dev, doctor, lawyer, etc who's labor is only scarce because blacks and other minorities do not have access to the type of education needed to fill these jobs.
Fucking IBM was complaining about the fact that white middle class workers weren't hiring blacks, and therefore keeping wages for themselves inflated, as far back as the 1950's.
White workers for some reason think what they're doing isn't obvious but it is.
And white workers think that it isn't obvious that blacks are being kept as a under caste by not allowing them to build any equity. That's why their enslavement have just gone from one permutation to another, from chattel slaver, to prisoner leasing, to Jim Crow, back to prisoners for drug offenses. Because blacks cannot defend themselves because they have no money. And it's easy to keep them that way.
The only way to actually break the cycle is to bring blacks to parity to white in terms of equity. Then they can defend themselves against any attempts to bring them back into the underclass.
You can't say, start treating West Virginians like black in LA because middle class whites have solidarity with them and will see their own interests threatened absorb genuine risk to defend other whites. Capitalist know this, this is why there's never been any genuine attempt to make enslavement more equal in the current year so to speak.
This move by San Francisco shows a real commitment to finally disposing of the settler colonist class once and for all. White people intuitively know this, this is why you see so much seething in this thread.
This is none the less progressive and will actually make white workers more revolutionary once they realize they are not guaranteed a place in master's house as a house negro.
>How will you determine who deserves the free shit?
Multiple ways, I really don't want to quibble about specifics because it's not important. It should be done, that's what I support.
>Should everyone with a single drop of melanin in their ancestry get the free shit? What if they descend mostly from slave owners but also have some Sally Hemings in their lineage?
Again, these types of specifics are unimportant in the grand scheme of things. Maybe you're right, maybe say wealthy blacks shouldn't get anything. Regardless you have millions of blacks trapped in a cycle of poverty that is a direct result of chattel slavery which the US has declared beyond abhorrent.
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 No.467344

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>>467343
>settler colonist class (aka white people)
Imagine saying this at a union meeting with a straight face.

>millions of blacks trapped in a cycle of poverty that is a direct result of chattel slavery

Otherwise known as capitalism.
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 No.467345

>>467341
>where's my money for ancient chattel slavery
Have you or anyone in your family been beaten by police because your ancestors were ancient chattel slaves. No? Okay take your concern trolling back to /pol/
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 No.467346

>>467344
How did whites wind up so much wealthier then blacks in the US?
>Otherwise known as capitalism.
Enslavement is not capitalism.
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 No.467347

>>467343
>I really don't want to quibble about specifics because it's not important.
Actually it's quite important, if you ever want to convince people that your dumb idea is feasible. Workers outside of insulated professional-managerial/academic circles don't decide to fight for things based on feelings, they operate on base self-interest. You need to convince them that your proposal which may do nothing to improve their own living conditions is at least implementable in a consistent and fair manner.
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 No.467348

>>467337
Blacks aren't asking for reparations for ever crime and lose they've suffered. Just chattel slavery which the whole country agrees is abhorrent.
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 No.467349

>>467345
>Have you or anyone in your family been beaten by police because your ancestors were ancient chattel slaves. No?
No and to demonstrate any sort of causal relationship with your assertion you're going to have to point to direct evidence that cops are thinking "I hate people because their ancestors are enslaved, I'm going to now beat this guy up because of this fact".

>concern trolling is when people poke holes in my unsupported beliefs
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 No.467350

>>467347
It has broad support. California by itself is the 5th largest economy in the world and they just said they support reparations. It doesn't get much broader than that. You, conservatives and all the other people against it are representative of anything. You have outsized influence because of settler colonialism which California will dismantle because of its ridiculous economic strength.
TL;DR no one has to ask your permission for NOTHING. As goes California, so goes the world.
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 No.467351

>>467349
>You have to read cops' minds to prove their racists.
Holy shit could you be more of a bootlicker. Regardless the material effect of their policing is racist. If you wanna cope that they're good bois that dindu nuffin go ahead.
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 No.467352

Another great article by Marxist Adolph Reed demolishing the liberal idpol fantasy of reparations:
https://nonsite.org/the-case-against-reparations/
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 No.467353

>>467352
If the largest economy in the most power country wants it its happening bruh. That's real materialism for ya.
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 No.467354

>>467350
*aren't representative of anything
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 No.467355

>>467351
It seems that this is the point in our debate where you have nothing left to lean on except personal attacks and siding-with-the-enemy fallacies.

>>467350
From my understanding of the OP, it's only one city in California (and one of the most detached compared to the rest of the state at that). I imagine this would be extremely controversial if subjected to a state-wide referendum.
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 No.467356

>>467355
San Francisco is California's richest city. And L.A. is every bit as left wing as SF. If you think yokels in rural CA are going to stop SF and LA from getting what they want then you and Trump are in for another big loss.
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 No.467357

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>>467356
>And L.A. is every bit as left wing as SF.
1) SF is not left wing
2) rofl
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 No.467358

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>>467356
>If you think yokels in rural CA are going to stop SF and LA from getting what they want
the eternal urbanite
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 No.467359

>>467343
>All the world's greatest wealth is generated from knowledge work
spoken like a true Cali Silicon Valley dwelling latte sipping idpolled "socialist"

how's that Silicon Valley bank doin? Must be nice being so balls deep into the capitalist political establishment that you get bailed out faster than the Lehman Brothers lol.
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 No.467360

>>467357
>SF is not left wing

In the case, 'left wing' is a phrase that serves to highlight how special and unique you are owing entirely to (checks notes) your opinions.

Thus, of course neither SF nor 90% of people who see themselves as part of the left are 'actually left wing.'
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 No.467361

>>467343
This niqqer runs with the ideology taught to every 3rd grader in the US and calls it radical left wing politics
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 No.467362

>>467359
Apple is the most valuable company in the world and based in San Fransisco. That's just one example of the tremendous wealth and power concentrated in San Francisco. Do you think that becomes untrue because SVB went under kek.
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 No.467363

>>467358
>Tankies think they can sack L.A. because they took over some city in bumfuck Egypt.
The delusion of tankies is just incredible.
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 No.467364

>>467361
No honey, the history of slavery taught to kids is extremely white washed. They basically say it was just unpaid labor. Oh and the boat ride over was really cramped. They don't go over the brtual rapes, beatings, murder, pedophilia, and mass trauma that occurred daily under that system.
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 No.467365

>>467364
>Omg state schools in America don't teach you about all the wahbad things america ever did.
t. Brainlet
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 No.467366

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>>467362
Checked
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