/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

4chan is less relevant now than it was 15 years ago, and what exactly do you propose that we're posting towards?
Our efforts would be better spent gathering funds, munitions, etc. for a general strike and for defense against the state. We should be organizing unions of workers, tenants, etc. in actual real life, and organizing militias as well. How will arguing with retards on the internet accomplish any of that? It seems like a massive timesink, and the sort of thing which the state can afford to pour resources into but we can't.

>>488635
This isn't really true. 4chan is still very relevant and millions of people around the world use it daily. It doesn't take a lot to post there. It's easy to do and convincing people to our opinions is a good thing and likely right now because trump is fucking everything up. The left has this weird defeatist obsession with doing anything realistic. The idea thata we are about to fight some LARP on the ground gorilla war in this country is just delusional. Even a general strike is not possible right now. We still haven't convinced the majority of the working class that we are right. And even if it were you can still do both. There's no reason why you cannot do both especially when you are sitting here spending 99% of your time on your hug box anyways.

The point is to defend our position not let them craft the narrative for us. But keep stocking up for your LARP fantasy, comrade.

I haven't wasted a moment of my time on that censorious, regressive, user-datamining shithole since 2014 and I have no intention of starting again now. It is an utterly cancerous tumor on the broader image board community and needs to die as fast as possible.

>>488637
>It doesn't take a lot to post there.
It does now that they've starting fucking around with Cloudflare bullshit, which has in turn been implementing a malicious browser "check" on anything that isn't a Google-approved browser since February.

>>488638
>>488639
Ok well then you two can just stay here on your hug box and do nothing at all then. That's fine.

>>488641
I get my sparring with right wingers on a lot of other image boards, anon. Likewise, I have plenty of productive debates with Boomers in real life. I feel no urge to legitimize 4chan's existence with my intellectual expression.

>>488637
>This isn't really true. 4chan is still very relevant and millions of people around the world use it daily.
I said it's less relevant than it was 15 years ago, not "nobody uses it at all."

>The left has this weird defeatist obsession with doing anything realistic. The idea thata we are about to fight some LARP on the ground gorilla war in this country is just delusional.
>accuses me of defeatism
>then engages in defeatism
I'm not a defeatist about changing 4channer minds in 2025, I just don't give a shit about it. I give a shit about the people being abducted off the streets by masked goons for criticizing Zionism, that's the thing I'm worried about… that and another wave of mass evictions. I'm aware that the odds are stacked against us when it comes to doing something about these things, but I don't care that it's hard because they are actual problems which won't disappear if I ignore them unlike the opinions of dumbasses on 4Chan.

>Even a general strike is not possible right now.
Yeah because we don't have money saved up for it.

>We still haven't convinced the majority of the working class that we are right.
Neither has anyone else lol
Wielding power does not actually require an absolute majority of people to agree with your exact perspective. If we set about organizing even like 20% of the US to do a general strike for like 2 weeks, we could cripple the US economy. We could easily manage 50% provided that we coordinate on unionizing and give that priority over convincing randos on the internet that Stalin was right.

>The point is to defend our position not let them craft the narrative for us. But keep stocking up for your LARP fantasy, comrade.
They're going to craft whatever narrative they want… and, in a lot of cases, it will be crafted for them, with a bunch of money from very rich guys devoted to propaganda. Spending a whole bunch of capital on stuff like that is beneficial to people who want to maintain the status quo, but for us to spend our time on that puts us at a disadvantage compared to entities which have a whole bunch of capital to throw away. We could spend all of our time on that without even depleting a fraction of the capital which the state devotes to propaganda & psyops, and it will still have a free hand to terrorize and subjugate the public and the world while we're busy arguing with shills and idiots.

>in our hug boxes
Usually I associate the word "hugbox" with a place where power tripping jannies ban anyone who deviates from the House Position on something. Like 4chan or leftypol.org for instance.

>>488634 (OP)
>dissolusioned right wingers
The only people disillusioned are boomers who just had part of their retirement deleted. Trump barging in and dropping a trvth nuke on global trade is one of the best things he's done as president. I hope he crashes the global economy with no survivors
>I post on /b/
lol who are you planning to convert? /sfur/ and andy sixx?

>>488649
>The only people disillusioned are boomers who just had part of their retirement deleted.
>Trump barging in and dropping a trvth nuke on global trade is one of the best things he's done as president. I hope he crashes the global economy with no survivors
Ehhhh OP's not wrong that we can work with that.
Like yeah, fuck the stocks, but it's foolish not to reach out to people as the economy gets wrecked. But there are better ways to reach people and more important things to do than arguing on 4chan.

>>488642
Do nothing left. The reason the left is dead is because we have killed ourselves. Old leftypol wouldn't have been against this. If anything to spread knowledge that we exist. none the less 4chan is going to cont to exist no matter what. I also have irl discourse with right wingers. That doesn't mean you can't dual lurk here and 4han, lol.

The CIA will never let actual leftist rhetoric take hold on any mainstream platform. That's just not a thing. For every one of your posts they have 10 bots posting gotchas.

Go to a march. Get organized with socialists. Find the next step you guys are going to work on.

>>488744
while i agree with your sentiment i think this is missing the point. we're talking about leftychan, not a real movement. there is no point in going out into the real world and trying to connect with so-called ordinary people in order to bring them into the fold, because the artificial trivialities of this place has nothing to do with the concerns of those in meatspace. so in this sense OP is correct, 4chan is as good a place as any to "recruit" new members "over to our side"
anyone who makes leftychan (or .ogre for that matter) a part of their identity is already "failing as a leftist in the most fundamental way possible" and the internet itself has long since become a force that encourages us to be "sequestering ourselves off in our hug boxes all the time"
the revolutionary leap that is demanded of us is to transform the internet into the opposite, as something which can complement a real movement rather than convert it into…whatever this is

THIS thread didn't age well

>>488634 (OP)
>If you are not posting on 4chan you are failing as a leftist
It's none of my fucking responsibility, tankie. And not like I hasn't been told that before but with something else in place of "posting on 4chan," I don't give a shit.

https://xcancel.com/GrapeApe9k/status/1878203398794916164
here's your 4chan manager bro

>>489024
>tankie
Who liberated Auschwitz?

>>489123
>Who liberated Auschwitz?
I was just memeing, you tankie snowflake. Go cry in the corner, I don't give a shit about your purity testing.

>>488634 (OP)
One of the most bizarre aspects of the left is to leave any mainstream hangouts and hide away in little, extremely gatekept echo-chambers that always slippery slope down more and more abusrd purity tests.
Like look at Sigmarxism. Why in fuck does that even exist? .orge is also now just a super gatekept hangout of Idpol leftists.
/pol/ is pretty much a lost cause (they just spam every leftist thread with gore and schizo ramblings killing discussion), but /his/ could easily become leftypol on 4chan, and /lit/ is where leftypol was born from.

>>489124
I think you have to work to better your self and avoid your tendency to use ostracizing language against your fellow leftists.

>>489174
We use the words "uyghur" and "anarkiddie" here all the time so you getting offended by me calling MLs "tankies" is just hypocritical really.

>>489174
Maybe you have to work on yourself to stop letting these words offend you, though, I mean, I get your perspective. Me personally, it;s a matter of time and place,

This place, however, is leftychan.

>>489133
You don't start threads unless you know the local board culture, you argue in their threads

Idiots, now go do your two years tour of duty on /pol/ so you too can wear the tankie flag and swear that Stalin did nothing wrong except being too kind and merciful

>>489133
>Like look at Sigmarxism. Why in fuck does that even exist?
Holy Redditor. We have threads for such niche topics here, quit social media.

Why tf is LeftyChan and LeftyPol so morally obsesses about winning over chuds?
I mean seriously?

Those guys cannot and will not ever hear you out?

Yet, you despise the idea of talking to students about leftism.

Imageboard users really do have fucked up priorities


>>488744 is right.

>>488745 is making a shitty rebuttal.

>Yea but that's not the point. Anyone browsing imageboards are already losers. So why not use our loserdom to connect to more losers to help "fight the good fight"?

I swear to God, you're all the same as Christian missionaries

You're all self righteous smug retards who think theyre on the "right side of history".

>>490060
bro why are leftists like this? Did i say we shouldn't talk to students? We should talk to everyone. And it isn't just about winning over chud but preventing and combating their hateful rhetoric.

>>490060
i wasn't making a rebuttal, i was saying it doesn't go far enough
read uygha

>>490075
>And it isn't just about winning over chud but preventing and combating their hateful rhetoric.
uygha there's a genocide going on. War with Iran is happening.
Do actual material damage and stop trying to argue with retards on the internet about whether racism is good or bad. Unironically you have a better chance of killing an Elbit exec than "combating hateful rhetoric," at least killing an exec is an actual definable goal which can be accomplished. You've chosen to be Sisyphus, but instead of a boulder it's people on the internet who disagree with you, and a lot of those guys are probably paid agents by this point whereas [you do it for free. Stop. Re-evaluate your life. Take fucking risks or you're worthless. This is a war. Fight or die.

You're not going to win Chuds over, sorry. I'm a Chud, recently my opinion on the right (and politics in general) has soured, but I'm still really firm on immigration. I've seen what immigration does to my own community (which was already "diverse" by the time I was born, but for the majority of my childhood we at least all had a shared culture) and frankly, whenever I mention my concerns to a leftist they just call me a racist, deny that there's anything wrong and then dismiss my concerns. So even if I can sympathise with leftists on the economy and on social issues, I can't support any leftist movement because it will certainly just lead to where I live becoming even worse than it has in the last 6 years. Leftists have this all or nothing attitude that prevents them from winning anyone over. The right will tolerate you at least as long as you're on board with a few key things, and even then there's a lot of diversity of thought about those key things.

And posting on /pol/ is a fools errand anyway because you will just be met with the typical "hurrr nice try JIDF", "SAAAAAAAAAAAAGE this slide thread", "What's the weather like in Tel Aviv?" replies. You could maintain a leftypol general on 4/pol/ but you'd just be setting yourself up for constantly having to defend yourself and never actually discussing anything important.

>>490106
>it will certainly just lead to where I live becoming even worse than it has in the last 6 years
I don't think you've ever had leftist policies implemented in your state but ok
>Leftists have this all or nothing attitude
Okay then we need another word for the leftists that want to actually win, because historically communists have worked with even reactionary factions to win, like the communists in China working with the fascist Koumintang to combat invaders.
>the typical "hurrr nice try JIDF", "SAAAAAAAAAAAAGE this slide thread", "What's the weather like in Tel Aviv?" replies
Well these statements are easy to argue against as a leftist, nobody on the left should be supporting Israel 20-something months into a genocide, so again I question your meaning when you say "leftists" what word do you want to use here? Communsits? Well-read people? Those that have a grasp on human history? Idk you tell me.

>>490143
>I don't think you've ever had leftist policies implemented in your state but ok
I'm British, we've had several Labour governments since they began existing as a political party. The reason we have the climate around immigration that we do right now is because of Tony Blair and the Labour party, who deliberately opened the country up to mass immigration, partly due to skills shortages (which was understandable 20 years ago when the economy was doing well) and partly to own the Chuds (https://archive.is/VAo8p). Subsequent governments haven't done anything about it because they either can't, or they don't want to.
>because historically communists have worked with even reactionary factions to win, like the communists in China working with the fascist Koumintang to combat invaders.
…And then they backstabbed each other immediately after the Japanese surrendered.
>nobody on the left should be supporting Israel 20-something months into a genocide
It doesn't matter, you'll still get them.
>so again I question your meaning when you say "leftists" what word do you want to use here? Communsits? Well-read people? Those that have a grasp on human history? Idk you tell me.
People on the left of the political spectrum? Retard.

>>490144
>Tony Blair
What if we told you there's nothing about this guy that is "left"? Would you meet us at our level so we can have a productive conversion, or will you do the usual thing where you continue arguing against a straw man?

>>490145
>What if we told you there's nothing about this guy that is "left"?

>Social democracy is a social, economic, and political philosophy within socialism[1] that supports political and economic democracy and a gradualist, reformist, and democratic approach toward achieving social equality.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy

If belonging to a tradition within socialism makes someone a leftist, then Blair is a leftist. It's like right wingers trying to claim that someone like Angela Merkel wasn't actually right wing because she wasn't literally Hitler reborn.
>okay but it's not REAL socialism, chud!
>okay, but it's not REAL conservatism, leftie!

>>490151
But sure, I'd love to hear about how Blair totally isn't a leftist.

>>490152
>>490151
Blair was a Thatcherite Neoliberal who ran as Labour, retard. His policies were rejections of previous party stances.

>>490153
Right, fair enough, that quote does seem to be legit, so I guess I could've been wrong, but that still doesn't change the fact that multiculturalism and open borders are leftist policies (as in, most people today who would consider themselves socialists, communists, whatever, support those things).