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electrification of food Anonymous 2024-08-14 (Wed) 20:10:40 No.483479

you will eat ze homogenized bacterial carcasses

https://www.noemamag.com/making-food-out-of-thin-air/

TLDR company using solar power to extract hydrogen and carbon from air which is then metabolized by bacteria into primary ingredients for processed food.

Pros
Gets about 10 times as much protein per unit of land then a grain-farm + cattle-factory.
- above estimate is with solar panels, 20000x as space efficient if you have a nuclear plant
Will make food absolutely anywhere independent from water sources and weather
electricity + air = food
virtually no risk of spawning shit like mad cow disease
can probably be miniaturized like microbreweries.
- good for perpetually feeding astronauts in space
- but also good for food independence down to tiny communities

Cons
At this early stage it's likely not safe to eat
We did not evolve a gut-biome to digest bacto-slop, expect lotta farting, that won't get fixed until version 2.0 or 3.0
If it takes off, there will be a bitter fight for controle, they'll fake-accuse you of "pirating food" if you build you own bacto-slop machine.

Politics
During the last 20 years there has been an ongoing corporate land grab that displaced subsistence farmers all around the world, that'll be a total write off, since this will reduce agro-land needs by 80%

Class dynamics might change, if farm-workers become factory-workers tending the slop machines.

Every country can be food secure, and that'll cross off one reason for war. Also starving people out, like the US did to Cuba and the DPRK after the Soviet dissolution, or what the Zionazis are doing to Palestinians now, that'll go away.

New politics around food traditionalism will form.

As the power that be try to controle the food supply, "copyright" will become synonymous with mass-starvation of billions and "copyright-holder" will become a worse insult than "Hitler".

Conclusion
In the end it'll represent progress towards independent food abundance and a step towards a food replicator, but it'll be a nasty struggle.

Anonymous 2024-08-14 (Wed) 20:13:49 No.483480

interesting, thanks based anon

so i could print pizza?

Anonymous 2024-08-14 (Wed) 20:16:38 No.483481

It will probably take more energy than growing things traditionally once they make anything actually worth eating with this tech.

It might be used to make feed for animals that we eat, or to survive in extreme environments like space or other planets. But on earth we can be doing farming much more sustainably (which would also lead to better tasting fruits and veggies) without the need to eat bugs or bacteria sludge. Techbros always want to solve things nobody asked them to solve.

Anonymous 2024-08-14 (Wed) 21:01:42 No.483482

>>483480
>so i could print pizza?
Realistically, eventually it'll do something that approximates pizza. So yes, sort of, if you're not too picky.

>>483481
>It will probably take more energy than growing things traditionally
This is a difficult question.
Traditional manual farming uses zero industrial energy inputs (electricity or fuel). So yes it uses more than 0. However this process is more energy efficient at converting the energy of the sun into energy accessible as food than plants.
If you compare it to industrial farming, that uses a fuck-ton of energy for fertilizer production and industrial machines. My hunch is bacto-slop will be more energy efficient than that.
>once they make anything actually worth eating with this tech
It's just base ingredients, it'll be up to food-prep to make it palatable.

>It might be used to make feed for animals that we eat, or to survive in extreme environments like space or other planets.
Sure in the beginning, but eventually it'll be bacterial carcasses for you too.

>But on earth we can be doing farming much more sustainably (which would also lead to better tasting fruits and veggies) without the need to eat bugs or bacteria sludge.
I disagree, we're not doing sustainable farming. Not now and neither did we do that in the past. Even when we didn't have the means for industrial pollution, we still managed to fuck up the soil. There's so many ancient civilizations that collapsed because they used river-water for irrigation, that lead to mineral build up in the soil until it became non-arable.

>Techbros always want to solve things nobody asked them to solve.
Look at it this way, they're not making killing instruments, they're making a life-support system, so i'm not gonna trash it. Also it would free up a lot of land, and that's actually something people asked for.

Anonymous 2024-08-15 (Thu) 02:57:48 No.483483

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Anonymous 2024-08-16 (Fri) 20:03:00 No.483501

Didn't scientists enclose a container full of air and electrify it to decompose it to extract organic byproducts?

Anonymous 2024-08-16 (Fri) 22:55:00 No.483502

>>483501
>Didn't scientists
there's many, might help if you could give us a few hints to narrow it down a bit.
>enclose a container full of air and electrify it to decompose it to extract organic byproducts?
Air is roughly 8 parts nitrogen and 2 parts oxygen and a small smattering of trace gases. Air also contains water vapor as humidity. (there also particles like dust, i'll ignore those)

I'm not sure what "Electrically decomposing" means exactly, so here goes nothin:
CO2 which is part of the trace gases, can be electrically split into carbon and oxygen, the water vapor gives you hydrogen-ions and O2 molecules

If you just stick 2 electrodes, with high voltage potential, near each other in the air, you'll get Ozone. That's a chemically unstable form of 3 oxygen atoms stuck together, that will fall apart into a O2 and a O-ion. Ozone is that fresh-air smell after rain and thunder storms. The O-ion neutralizes bacteria, viruses and fungal-spores, as well as volatile organic compounds (stinky or stale air).

Nitrogen is mostly chemically neutral and only reacts if you dump huge energies into the system. Most of the other trace gases are noble gases that don't react much either.

The example in OP just uses electricity to extract carbon and hydrogen from the air to feed bacteria, they don't get anything organic directly from the air.

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