/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

So the CIA supported Nazi groups to undermine eastern bloc countries… and the USSR did too? Seems a li'l sus.

>>484694
National socialism and international socialism are not really opposites. Commies hate fascists for the same reason vegans hate vegetarians.

>>484702
This take is what American propaganda has tried to achieve since the cold war started. They want everyone to think "both sides bad" and that Stalin was as bad as Hitler etc.

Doing a little reading will show you that they are in fact opposites and that Nazis are closer to Americans than the USSR, and what you just regurgitated is CIA propaganda.

>>484694
The Soviet Union was extremely antagonistic against the Nazis, and they demonstrated that by unleashing a cataclysmic amount of military hard power against them.

Why would you ignore all that hard evidence just because some guy told some anecdotes.

>>484702
>National socialism and international socialism are not really opposites.
National "socialism" should be called fascism, and yes its more or less opposite to socialism.

Like >>484704 said erroneously conflating socialism and fascism is a propaganda fallacy.

>>484705
>in 1953 a KGB memo
Yeah. Some anecdote.

>>484707
<Soviets crush Nazis with massive military campaign
I sleep
<Some peace of paper
shit gets real

It's just anecdotal evidence, it weighs less than hard evidence. Figuratively and also literally considering how heavy all that military equipment is.

>>484708
A memo from the KGB itself isn't an anecdote, you're just coping because you know that the USSR was basically fascist.

>>484718
The Soviets contributed the largest military effort in the anti-fascist alliance called Allied Forces. The effects of the Soviet military machine were so intense that the effects on the landscape still linger. There is a huge pile of hard evidence that supports the conclusion that the Soviets were vigorously opposed to fascism.

Your piece of paper does not fall into that category of hard evidence. That's why i called it anecdotal evidence. It's a weaker type of evidence, that you can't use to contradict claims that are backed by hard evidence.

How do you managed to ignore the events in world war 2. There is no ambiguity.

>>484719
Why are you ignoring that they supported them? I don't care that they fought the Nazis, because they went back on their anti-fascism by supporting Nazis later. Just because you did something good in the past doesn't mean that you're absolved of any future crimes.

>>484694
Yeah, soyo. Turns out when the commie-kikes get routinely shot for antisoviet (not anticommunist!) activities th@ really got 2 be meaning sumfin!

>>484722
>I don't care that they fought the Nazis
I know, you're trying to ignore the giant elephant in the room and get people to look at your paper instead. It's so embarrassing.

You are trying to conflate fascism with communism because somehow you made a conflation fallacy part of your ideology.

>>484798
I don't know what any of this means. But writing Ztalin with a Z sounds very forceful.

Stalin translates to man of steal (like Superman), if you say it with a Z it reinforces the image of an unstoppable force made out of metal.

>>484802
>You are trying to conflate fascism with communism because somehow you made a conflation fallacy part of your ideology.
Marxism-Leninism isn't communism.
>you're trying to ignore the giant elephant in the room
Projection. You're ignoring the massive elephant that is doing one good thing not necessarily making you not guilty for later crimes.

>>484840
These are the ones who were planning to guide the soviet troops in yes?
Don't care.
Cry about it.

>>484840
>Marxism-Leninism isn't communism.
ML considered it self lower-stage socialism that wanted to build communism. So you are technically correct, while still being entirely wrong to conflate it with fascism.

At the moment you are giving the impression of being a dishonest ideologue that pursues an agenda to claim that the Soviets and Fascists were the same.

If you think you found something to criticize the Soviets for, why not just do that. You can criticize things without calling it fascism.

>>484704
>They want everyone to think "both sides bad" and that Stalin was as bad as Hitler etc.
Stalin was way worse than Hitler. In terms of bodycount alone Stalin killed more of his own people before WW2 even started than Hitler ever did. The only reason Stalin and the USSR get a free pass is because they were on "our side" during the war.

>Doing a little reading will show you that they are in fact opposites and that Nazis are closer to Americans than the USSR
Whatever book told you that WW2 was America + Germany vs Russia was /pol/ fanfiction. Read a real book.

>what you just regurgitated is CIA propaganda
CIA propaganda is the reason you have a mini heart attack when you see a swastika but the hammer and sickle or red and black flags are completely socially acceptable to parade around in public.

>>484706
>National "socialism" should be called fascism, and yes its more or less opposite to socialism.
Decentralized free market capitalism is the opposite of socialism. Centralizing the entire means of production under the state because "muh proletariat" is not the opposite of centralizing the entire means of production under the state because "muh aryan race". Doing the same shit for different reasons doesn't make you opposites.

>>484722
>I don't care that they fought the Nazis, because they went back on their anti-fascism by supporting Nazis later.
The Bolsheviks killed more communists in 1917 than anyone. It's a total non-argument to say you fought against members of group X therefor you are the opposite of an X. Civil wars, infighting and strategic alliances shift all the time.

>>484860
It's apparent that (like many of us once were) you're the victim of propaganda anon. I hope some day you'll open your eyes and look around.

>>484860
>Stalin was way worse than Hitler. In terms of bodycount alone Stalin killed more of his own people before WW2 even started than
Name them, inb4 holo
Stalin ordered grain sent as soon as the scale of the famine was evident to him just as he did during an Indian famine.

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>>484860
>Stalin was way worse than Hitler
That's what they want you to think. Do you really think that the people who privately own everything in America aren't doing everything in their power to make sure you don't consider communism as an alternative to their system?

>Whatever book told you that WW2 was America + Germany vs Russia was /pol/ fanfiction. Read a real book.
They were not allies during WW2 but it's true that Hitler had a portrait of Henry Ford in his office and that after WW2 Americans gave Nazis high ranking positions (as scientists, head of NATO, etc) while the USSR executed them.

>>484694
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctors%27_plot
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Murdered_Poets
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-cosmopolitan_campaign
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%95%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%B5%D0%B2,_%D0%95%D0%B2%D0%B3%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%A1%D0%B5%D0%BC%D1%91%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87

Stalin Soviet Union and after was weirdly antisemitic, even if Stalin promoted the creation of Israel

>>486450
Smells like bullshit.

>>484702
if this is the level of opinions here, I understand why you hate leftypol

>>486450
wikipedia is not a reliable source for stuff like this.

Arguably the only big antisemitic thing the Soviets did was going along with the creation of the state of Israel.

People often forget that Palestinians are ethnically Semitic, and that makes Zionism an antisemitic project.

To be fair the soviets realized relatively quickly the direction Israel was going into and course corrected somewhat.

The 2 other ways Isreal as a Zionist project is antisemitic is because they claim to act an speak in the name of Jews in general, which damages the reputation of Jews. Then there is the Zionist alliance with hardcore Jew-haters. Zionists and their Jew-hater buddies have a common goal of concentrating all the Jews in Israel.

Trotsky keeps getting vindicated

>>486458
Was Trotsky vindicated when he wanted to retain a rump Russian state with him as leader by giving concessions to Nazi Germany?