/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

I'll give you immigration, there are (I think) some leftist groups that have failed to take a principled stand against mass migration in the past. The other two have nothing to do with the left and I will never own them.

>>489132 (OP)
>it's another retarded pretext to make an idpol thread
And if you point this out, OP will act like you're arguing with his false premises rather than rejecting them. :)

This is stupid anti-momentum bullshit, an excuse to promote bourgeois idpol fallacies over class politics. Everything contained in the OP is based on a total, uncritical acceptance of right-wing strawmen and outrage porn. Almost like it's purely concern trolling.

The right-wing position on immigration, for decades, has been to shove heads in the sand and pretend that the underlying war and economic attacks on the global south simply did not exist and that mass migration was purely an issue of human "imports." It was and is a completely idiotic position, and it is the position pushed actively by billionaires because it allows them to continue to destroy foreign countries for profit while shifting the blame to the victims - the refugees. All the rest of this disingenuous culture war faggotry in the OP about "migrants love living in filth"-tier shit is pure bile, direct from outrage porn pushed by reactionary demagogues to obscure the role of those same demagogues in creating mass migration through their criminal foreign policy of mass murder.

It's really tiring having this same kind of concern trolling retard post this same thing over and over again, perpetually using the same strawmen of "da immigrants" based on, at best, an article about a thing that happened once, and fuck all else. Engaging in bourgeois culture war faggotry will not solve the underlying issue, the bourgeois culture war faggotry exists so the issue can continue to be an issue.

That principle of bourgeois culture war faggotry engagement applies to your other two topics too. Of course, they read just as disingenuous - there is no "common sense and materialism" to appeal to with gender to support your claim. Dysphoria is a medical condition; that's it, that's where the science is. The science was there decades ago, the only thing that changed is that it was cynically turned into a culture war issue and now worthless do-nothing retards like yourself argue strawmen and natural fallacies on the internet instead of doing anything constructive. This was manufactured as a culture war issue by the American MSM, which proceeded to beat transhumanists (something like 0.9% of the population at best) into the ground for over a decade as this small group, who were socially accepted at that time as a small medical minority who nobody really gave a fuck about specifically, was turned into a political football to be passed back and forth between Liberals [Hitlerites], who did not care what happened, and Conservatives [Hitlerites] who specifically wanted to cynically scapegoat transhumanists in exactly the same way they'd already been scapegoating gays for decades. "The Left" had fuck all to do with it.

For the third topic - it's clearly just an excuse for you to go on a racist tirade.

Virtually every word you've written is a (likely deliberate) mischaracterization of the past several decades of politics. If any section of this was at all sincere, you have a serious lack of understanding of anything, the dribblings of an infantile hyper-reactive fear-driven reptile brain occupying the cavity which would normally be occupied by a human brain capable of rational thought and comprehension. It's a brain-damaged butchery, a fraudulent and poor imitation of the understanding of class politics which /leftypol/ came to years ago.

Join an organization. Join a union. Fight for a better world. Go outside, get over this childish obsession with hating black people and falling for reactionary propaganda.

>>489135
Most of the "refugees" in Europe are not refugees, just economic migrants. True refugees aren't country shopping for the welfare systems they can abuse the most. Countries like the UK literally give "refugees" more bennies, social housing than they do their own citizens, Labours new plan is to just give ""refugees"" 5 years of a free rent in actual houses and apartments across the UK, meanwhile youth homelessness spirals out of control.
Yes, there has been massive war instigated by the West, but it's absolute horse shit to pretend that mass migration wasn't a policy by the elites to drive down wages and worker solidarity. Why are European countries also skyrocketting their legal immigration which they lower their standards too for people from the third world when they can't even deal with "refugee" crisis?
Also go to any ethnic neighbourhood or enclave in Europe, they are all violent, crime ridden, trash filled shitholes with ethnic minorities who specifically target violence towards locals. London. Paris is literally now just black and arab kids beating the shit out of white women, and old white locals in parks and trains and robbing them in broad daylight. Even my local corner store now has security guards because black people come in and loot the entire fucking place. Local park was beautiful, now black, arab people show up the park is completely trashed within 2 hours.
Sorry, but I've seen this shit repeatedly with my own eyes in several towns/cities I've lived in. The more "diverse" it becomes, there is a complete breakdown in social trust, and minorities use it to completely trash the place and engage in rampant crime and thuggery against anyone they deem as an "outgroup".
>Dysphoria is a medical condition; that's it, that's where the science is. The science was there decades ago, the only thing that changed is that it was cynically turned into a culture war issue
Dude, even the Trans Rights movement doesn't consider "Gender dysphoria" as any meaningful indicator of Transgenderism and insult people who use Dysphoria as a bar as "Transmedicalists" Concepts like Non-Binary fly right in the face of medical or materialist concepts as well. You also cannot ignore the just FACT that Trans Rights movement massively pushed their movement beyond all realms of credibility, grooming children and infringing massively on the rights of women, even successfully enforcing massive social changes on the identity of Lesbians, with Lesbians who now don't want "girldick" being forced out of the LGBT movement as bigots and the term women in the defition replaced with "non-man".
>"The Left" had fuck all to do with it.
Why in fuck is Trans Rights shit the only thing the vast majority of Socialist orgs seemingly care about these days? Literally saw a poster from the Socialist Alt the other day with "More social housing for black and trans bodies" they can't even couch economic demands outside of Idpol.
>For the third topic - it's clearly just an excuse for you to go on a racist tirade.
Nope, the Left went around demanding Privatization. Huge swaths of the Left, even fucking Jason Unruhe push for "Land back" despite it being a movement trademarked by a REAL ESTATE company. Idpol has resulted in massive scale ethno-narcissism, bad behavior and was turned around on the left to crush the left with Antisemitism and sexism allegations, while bullshit Idpol purity tests based on Tumblr run rampant in leftist circles to this day. I mean fucking DSA pretty much purged their upper most experienced leadership based on bad faith Idpol from Tumblrites.

>>489136
>a gish gallop of more strawmen, outrage porn-tier "arguments," and "muh scary blacks"
Every time.

>>489132 (OP)
You do make some valid points but due to your opposition to liberalism you buy into conservative propaganda instead. I am going to dialectically deconstruct your points one by one.
>"Great Replacement" honestly seems more true than not in many European cities that have frankly just turned into Ethnic enclaves.
The Great Replacement is just the result of the immigrants taking the role of strikebreakers due to their worse economic position than white Americans. The solution to this is unionizing the immigrants too.
>I've noticed as well the complete lack of integration, the hostility migrants have towards locals and frankly, the complete lack of giving a shit that minority have towards upholding any standards or quality of life.
The migrants are lumpenized so they resort to crime, not to mention that xenophobia is a pretty widespread bourgeois ideology, even within the "white" population. There's noone whom conservatives hate more than other conservatives.
>Literally denied material and biological reality and tried to rip away the identity and safety of women and children for a group that frankly acts completely cultish.
This is a dishonest hasty generalization of a population that doesn't even share the same political ideology. It's not trans people's fault that tucutes have ruined their reputation.
>All while never actually being able to answer a basic question "What is a woman/man?".
The answer was given a long time ago: man and woman are genders, male and female are sexes. It's a fairly simple thing to comprehend.
>Defund/Land Back = Privatize
That's a lie. Defunding the police is exactly what it says on the tin: spending less budget on militarizing the police force. You wouldn't argue against reducing the US spending on forever wars in the Middle East, now would you? And Land Back at least implies giving indigenous proles and lumpens land to live on, it does not imply privatization. But obviously these projects are reformist, what we need is abolishing the police under the socialist system and giving everyone a place to live, not just giving indigenous people land or giving reparations to poor black people.

These are the issues worth discussing but answering to them with conservatism is unwise and a knee-jerk contrarianism.

>>489142
Defunding under any capitalist context will result in privatization. Police do not need to be defunded, but have better training and resources. Frankly police shitty behavior is massively overblown anyway, the bigger issue with police is they are more lazy as fuck and don't even bother with most "antisocial" crime anymore.
Land Back is quite literally a privatization movement. It's funded and pushed by Real Estate companies and it's targets are mostly National Parks and Public lands.

>>489147
>Defunding under any capitalist context will result in privatization.
Yeah, sure, let's continue to invest into the military, good idea.
>Police do not need to be defunded, but have better training and resources.
Sure, let's train them in beating up civillians better.
>Frankly police shitty behavior is massively overblown anyway
So Margaret Thatcher using police to bust unions wasn't a shitty behavior? The police being used to beat up protesters and storm random citizens because they got the wrong house isn't a shitty behavior? It doesn't matter what individual attitudes policemen have, it's the higher-ups who encourage this or that shitty behavior, even the lolberts understand this.
>Land Back is quite literally a privatization movement.
Don't know about individual organizations (which can obviously get corrupted by capitalism, of course they would) but the idea of Land Back itself isn't privatization.

>>489132 (OP)
Leftists refusing to work with the majority of the working class in America because conservatives aren't woke enough.

>>489142
>The solution to this is unionizing the immigrants too.
Indeed, but the question is how. How in practical terms do we cross culture and language divides to build mass unions?

>>489153
>How in practical terms do we cross culture
The same way we cross culture with conservatives: we don't. It has been said a million times by many different socialist writers that we need to focus on the economic issues instead of cultural ones.
>language divides
Well, that's the matter of translation and education. Hire a translator, organize free language courses for immigrants. Plus there are more immigrants worldwide who know English and the language of the country they live in on some basic level. While it may be difficult to communicate without a translator, it's not impossible. You can communicate ideas in simpler terms. You can hand leaflets to immigrants. Heck, you can use a translator app on your phone, there are many solutions.

>>489148
> Yeah, sure, let's continue to invest into the military, good idea.
> Sure, let's train them in beating up civilians better.

Oh look, the one who points fingers at others and yells "strawman" is strawmanning. What a shocking surprise that the radlib turned out to be a DARVO-prone narcissist.

> police bad
Police abolition is never going to happen because the ruling class is never going to allow it's monopoly on violence to be undermined, and since we're not under revolutionary conditions any such notions are idealist cope.

> Don't know about individual organizations (which can obviously get corrupted by capitalism, of course they would) but the idea of Land Back itself isn't privatization.

Ethnic nationalism is reactionary.

>>489160
>Oh look, the one who points fingers at others and yells "strawman" is strawmanning.
That's not me you disingenuous retard.
Actually astonishing that you can't even reply to a poster in this thread without once again mischaracterizing them or saying they said things they didn't say. Goes to show how fucking predictable this tired charade of yours is.

>>489161
That guy's the kind of person who'd be paranoid about radlibs on /pol/ and Republican Party.

>>489160
>strawmanning
I wasn't strawmanning you, faggot. I was just pointing out that this fearmongering only encourages the militarization of the police. What I'm saying is not that the police should literally get no funding, I'm just saying that it shouldn't be militarized. Think, anon, think.
>radlib
I'm an anti-SJW, you freaking Karen.
>Police abolition is never going to happen because the ruling class is never going to allow it's monopoly on violence to be undermined
Police abolition under socialism. And this guy's the one's accusing me of strawmanning. So petty, jeez.
>wanting to solve the issue of ethnic lumpenproletariat reproducing generational poverty
<"You're le ethnic nationalist"
Read the definitions of the terms you use first.

>>489142
You appear to be able to elevate class analysis above the tribal politics of the bourgois rightist positions. But you have not done the same for liberal tribal politics.

>>489173
>But you have not done the same for liberal tribal politics.
Where did you see tribalism in my desire to get rid of poverty? Where did you see tribalism in my opposition to the cogs of the state machinery? These are widely accepted positions that even lolberts don't argue against but when they are said by liberals they apparently become idpol merely by association. Again, you're being contrarian for contrarianism's sake.

Let's take my arguments against the police. The police, other than being potentially much more cruel and damaging, isn't that different from the mainstream media. Maybe the journalists even recognize that what they're doing is supporting the American empire but they just do what they're told to because "that's their job." Criticizing mainstream journalism is not an attack on the journalists themselves (even though they should've resisted the system). It's an attack on mainstream journalism as a medium and on the capitalists and governments who finance it.

Defunding the police is a non-starter, literally no fucking person that isn't a shitlib Tumblr brained retard wants this. Even among black communities, the consensus among almost all black people is to increase policing and increase police funding. The average person doesn't like living among antisocial/criminal fucktards and literally wants police walking down their street every couple hours. Corbyn in the UK literally almost won the 2017 on pretty much a "triple the funding and size of police" as his tentpole policy.
The problem with the left is you all push these lofty ANARCHIST ideals that exist in some idealized ANARCHIST society construct. For all the talks of Leftists being "Materialists", it's pretty wild that the average Leftist has no fucking clue how the average normie thinks or what is actually materially possible in this current moment.
The left needs to be building large Marxist REFORMIST popular positions to first build a base among the Normie working class, then shift those REFORMIST positions into more revolutionary ones once the left proves it is actually serious and can actually manage shit. At no point should the left ever fucking push Anarkiddie bullshit like "defund the police".
The issue with the Western ""Left"" Reformist route is that it allowed Liberals and Identity obsessed Anarchists hijack every Western Leftist party. Liberals and Anarchists should not be allowed to join or be members of any serious Socialist party, every member needs to be a vetted Marxist-Leninist and be subjected to routine Marxist ideological training and testing which if they fail 3 times they get the fucking boot.
The average Normie leans authoritarian, the average person wants to live in largely a socially "moderate conservative" society, the average person wants police everywhere and criminals to get their skulls cracked. If you actually look at polling, the vast majority of people would even want the death penalty for moderate violent crimes.
The Left attaching itself to fucking ANARCHISTS and fucking Individualist fetishist Liberals is what killed the Left in the West. I would make a bet, $1000 that the average Westerner would rather live in a society like Singapore or Tier 1/2 Mainland China, than whatever the fuck the current state of the West is.

>>489191
>Even among black communities, the consensus among almost all black people is to increase policing and increase police funding.
Source?

>The Left attaching itself to fucking ANARCHISTS and fucking Individualist fetishist Liberals is what killed the Left in the West.
Actually, it was the decades of union busting and aggressive crackdowns by the state, the infiltration of movements by feds and the murder and arrest of leaders like Debs and Hampton.

>I would make a bet, $1000 that the average Westerner would rather live in a society like Singapore or Tier 1/2 Mainland China, than whatever the fuck the current state of the West is.
Or Denmark, or Switzerland, or Norway, or Finland, or Canada.
The biggest problem people have with the United States is that we have a massive state, the most wealth on Earth, and almost no public services, meager welfare, almost no transit, and an expensive, shitty private health and pharmaceutical model. What China does that people like is it invests in the public good and polices its capitalist class. It has a great deal of wealth, and instead of constant war it invests in trains and production and housing.

On the other hand, the incarceration rate in the US is much, much higher than in China. In terms of killings by police, no country even approaching the US's wealth comes close to the US's rates.

>>489191
This entire rant looks like a giant shitpost.

>>489193
>Source?
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0047235224000357
>Actually, it was the decades of union busting and aggressive crackdowns by the state, the infiltration of movements by feds and the murder and arrest of leaders like Debs and Hampton.
This played a role, but does not explain how the current Left is such a fucking clownshow of absolutely BPD retards who focus entirely on fringe shit and trying to be as counter-cultural as possible. The issue of the Left is mostly that the Western Left is just a current manifestation of the Punk movement. It has no real serious platform, has no real serious politics. It's politics is "FUCK THE POLICE ACAB" and "MUH FETLIFE FETISH LIST SHOULD BE PROTECTED LEGAL TRAITS" because shock horror, the left is just the modern Punk movement, except Punk at least had good music.
>What China does that people like is it invests in the public good and polices its capitalist class. It has a great deal of wealth, and instead of constant war it invests in trains and production and housing.
Wow almost like the Western Left should, I dunno, actually study CPC policies and their Governance frameworks and see if anything could be learned to adapt to a Western Political party and platform. But of course, the Western left would rather go out, shout a bunch of shit derived from Tumblr Anarchists while shoving dildos up their asses in front of 5 year olds and screaming about Trans Genocide.
This is the problem with you Baizuo Leftists, you literally are unable to engage in anything resembling self criticism. Always someone else is at fault. Goddamn Nixon, he caused the Left to drop any and all M4A messaging during a pandemic to focus on a crackhead having a heart attack during an arrest! It was LBJ who stopped the left talking about Infrastructure or Home building and instead focusing all their time on fringe Identity Politics. Goddamn dead fucking Liberals, their ghosts are 100% the cause of the Left eating fucking shit compared to even fringe Libertarian pedo parties across the West for 30+ years.
Give it a break. The Left sucks because you Baizuo are Shitlib Anarkiddies who can't step down from your delusional moral high horse set by your high priests over on Tumblr. The biggest issue of the day is to make sure that a 6'7 TIM can crush the skull of a 5'6 woman on the Football pitch and anyone saying otherwise is contributing to Trans Genocide!
What is stopping you, or any other Leftist from actually formulating a serious policy framework? Did the FBI delete your harddrive or something when you mapped out funding for a local infrastructure project, or wrote out a proposal for Second Generation Rent Controls for your local area?
This is what REAL LEFT WING POLITICS looks like
https://english.cctv.com/2021/04/06/ARTI51V39OkBZ3uRxUGJQZNW210406.shtml
Show me any time you saw a single Baizuo Western shitlib Leftist "Socialist" movement ever write anything like that?
When I worked for Federal Government, shit like this was the fucking norm, because for all the shit Republicans and Democrats spout, they actually have fucking serious people people who actually give a shit about policy. Meanwhile "leftist" policies are "ummm we should give 5 year olds HRT and blacks should be given $10,000 each for slavery retributions. K Thx".
Anybody who has worked at any GS-8 level + Government job, has more fucking serious policy understanding in their fucking pinkie, than the entire fucking Western left.

>>489202
>https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0047235224000357
This doesn't actually say the thing you said.

I can't read the whole thing (unless I'm missing a button on this page to access it for free), but going to the visible part of the conclusion, we get this:
>Black Americans express very high fear of the police, both in absolute terms and when compared to other racial/ethnic groups (Graham et al., 2020; Pickett et al., 2022). Yet, paradoxically, Black Americans also say they prefer to maintain (or even increase) local police presence and spending (Parker & Hurst, 2021; Ramirez, 2015; Saad, 2020).
The first statement here already undermines your handwaving of genuine public concerns about police brutality.
The second does not say that "almost all black people want to increase policing and increase police funding." This preview article you've linked doesn't going into the percentages, so I looked them up.

The most recent poll cited to support the second sentence's statement (that black Americans say they prefer to maintain or increase local police presence and spending) is the one conducted by Parker & Hurst in 2021. Here's what it actually says:
Views on police funding continue to differ widely by race and ethnicity, age and political party. White (49%) and Hispanic (46%) adults are more likely than Black (38%) or Asian (37%) adults to say spending on police in their area should be increased. Black adults (23%) are more likely to say that police funding should be decreased than those who are White (13%) or Hispanic (16%). Some 22% of Asian adults say spending should be reduced, which is statistically higher than the share among White adults but not higher than the share among Hispanic adults.

This same poll by Parker & Hurst also says that this 23% number is down from the previous year, when black people polled wanted police budgets decreased at a rate of 42%. Notably, that year was 2020, and in 2020 the "decrease" option was the single most popular among black people polled, ahead of "increase" (22%) and "stay the same" (33%), which means that activists calling for defunding the police that year were in line with the plurality opinion among black people.

Although the number of "decrease" answers decreased from 2020 to 2021, and the number of "increase" and "stay the same" answers increased, the number of "increase" answers among black people didn't surpass "stay the same" - both of them reached 38%. This doesn't support the statement that "almost all black people support increasing police funding."

source: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/10/26/growing-share-of-americans-say-they-want-more-spending-on-police-in-their-area/

The second most recent poll cited is the one conducted by Lydia Saad in 2020. Here's the most relevant bit from that poll:
When asked whether they want the police to spend more time, the same amount of time or less time than they currently do in their area, most Black Americans – 61% – want the police presence to remain the same.

Meanwhile, nearly equal proportions of Black Americans say they would like the police to spend more time in their area (20%) as say they'd like them to spend less time there (19%).

The amount of respondents in this particular poll who wanted an increase in police presence was only 1% higher than the amount who said they wanted a decrease, and 41% lower than the amount who simply answered that they wanted neither an increase nor a decrease.

source: https://news.gallup.com/poll/316571/black-americans-police-retain-local-pres%20ence.aspx

Not responding to the rest of that lol have a nice day though

>>489202
>but does not explain how the current Left is such a fucking clownshow of absolutely BPD retards who focus entirely on fringe shit and trying to be as counter-cultural as possible
You know that conservatives do it too, right? One side always has a kneejerk reaction to anything the other side has to say so what both sides do is deny the other side's arguments and focus on something else. The solution is not to reject the points the other side presents but rather to find a dialectical compromise between the two extremes that makes the most sense and reflects reality the best. Also, both sides make different conclusions based on empirical evidence. What we should do instead is take this empirical data and apply Occam's razor and Marxist analysis to it. That way we can create a third pole in the culture war that can resist both woke progressives and anti-woke conservatives.

>>489203
Which all those numbers still is overwhelmingly, do not defund the police.

>>489206
That's not the claim he made that I asked for a source for. I'm also not sure that I agree with that statement - even if you combine the "increase" and "stay the same" answers circa 2020 you'd still have less than 60% of the black population behind either of those options combined that year. A lot of periodic hot button issues in the US (abortion, gay marriage, etc.) have higher numbers in favor than the black community had in favor of "keep police funding the same" or "increase police funding" in 2020. Do Americans support gay marriage and abortion by an overwhelming majority? Maybe.

How about including protections for transhumanists in hate crime laws? That polls at 58% approval by itself without combining it with anything else. Is that an overwhelming majority? Should we just ignore the 22% of people who answered that they were opposed to that?

>>489184
>my desire to get rid of poverty?
There are no poor people, there are people that are over-exploited, or excluded from the economy, or neglected, etc. You still wear the ideology goggles. Go listen to some Micheal Parentie or something. If you say "poor people", like "tall people" or "short people", you define poverty as a personal characteristic. Instead Say it like it's a condition imposed on people.

By the way i wasn't talking about the police stuff at all, because that debate you are having with that other anon is imho so far out there that i don't even know how to respond to it. I'll try to explain. You grant authority to a government to enforce laws, in exchange that government upholds your rights and everybody else's too. If that is not the deal, there is no legitimate authority and it makes no sense to even speak about police. People that do cruel things are called sadists by the way.

>Where did you see tribalism
The right engages in tribalism, most frequently when it comes to racialist identities and religious identities. The liberals engage in tribalism most frequently when it comes to sexual identities. The purpose of all of these are about creating cultural hierarchies, that grant privileges to whom ever is higher in the cultural hierarchy. It's not quite the same as a cast system but it has similarities. In all of those fights there is nothing of substance being debated, it's just a battle of words to establish a pecking order.

Lets dig into some things the liberals do.

Lets start with something that is not/less controversial and examine women-rights or gay-rights. Sounds like progress, right ? Well , but by making those rights non-universal, as in tied to a specific group of people, they remain precarious and revocable. So this really is the liberals holding rights hostage. You could legislate all those rights in a universal framework, as in not tied to a particular group. Go read some of the early socialist feminists who were engaged in political fights with liberals to create universal suffrage (everybody has a right to vote) instead of doing a special womens-right to vote. Overtime this lesson is forgotten. Many of the gay-rights legislations are not universal and instead are particular, and as such they become a means for political blackmail wielded by liberals.

Now the controversial topic. I'm not going to name-drop the identity because i've been burned too many times. I'm talking about the people who are unhappy about the set of genitals they got.

What these people have done is open the door to political interference into medical procedures. That's fucking crazy. What kind of medical procedures are applied is a conversation that only happens between patients and doctors. Nobody else.

I'm now going to tell you a story, bear with me there is a point. Many moons ago, i along side with others had a political pet project about getting traction for universal toilets. As in something that works as a squatting-loo, a sitting-lavetry, a standing-lavetry and a bidet-feature as well as a non-contact hand sanitation system. Ingenious designs to make that happen already exist. It was supposed to be a agnostic universal human toilet, placed into individual toilet-stalls dispersed evenly throughout buildings, rather than the typical toilet configuration. Incidentally this would have been beneficial for the group of people we're talking about. But what did they do, they stirred up a massive political fight about toilets, that went nowhere and now everybody went sour on toilets. My human toilet idea is shelved for at least half a century. This dynamic has played out across many other domains. Many people have explained this detrimental behavior with narcicism.

This group of people also began doing something incredibly reactionary, they began imposing identities on others. The began splitting the sexuality of other people into 2 parts, but for most people that is not the case and there is only one.

It's been pointed out a million times before so I'm not going to go into details here. The kind of social censorship that the Zionists are now trying to weaponize against the ability to criticize a certain genocidal regime was beta-tested with this identity group, and they whole heartily embraced it.

The type of politics where you give a group of people a label and then try to attach political goals to that label, is poison.

For the sake of completion, the right-wingers will get some too. Humanity is not divided into races. It contradicts biology. And religion is a set of believes that people hold in their heads, it doesn't change their organism into something that is less human.

>Criticizing mainstream journalism is not an attack on the journalists themselves (even though they should've resisted the system)
Yeah i'm sorry but there is no mainstream journalism. None of these people do anything that one would associate with the profession of journalism. The purpose of the mainstream media is to make propaganda to sell people on wars. They are PR spokes-persons or marketing people.

It's getting very hard to have a political discussion, if half is a type of semantic tug of war.

>>489208
>If you say "poor people", like "tall people" or "short people", you define poverty as a personal characteristic.
What? No. Being poor is not the same as being short or having blonde hair or whatever, that smells of the Nazis' appeal to genetics.
>The right engages in tribalism, most frequently when it comes to racialist identities and religious identities. The liberals engage in tribalism most frequently when it comes to sexual identities. The purpose of all of these are about creating cultural hierarchies, that grant privileges to whom ever is higher in the cultural hierarchy.
I know that but where do you see that in my posts specifically? I do not claim that straight people or white Americans are "evil" or whatever you think I claim they are.

This all feels like you're trying to make "gotchas" in order to make me look like a woke radlib because you disagree with me. I have no idea why you're doing this, we are not enemies, I wish you no harm.

>>489209
>What? No. Being poor is not the same as being short or having blonde hair or whatever, that smells of the Nazis' appeal to genetics.
Great we seem to roughly agree.
Maybe we could frame it as people "imprisoned in poverty" rather than " people being poor". That way we really leave no interpretation-room for any appeals to genetics shenanigans.

>I know that but where do you see that in my posts specifically? I do not claim that straight people or white Americans are "evil" or whatever you think I claim they are.
I already feel frustration when ever you use racialist identities as if they are real. To me it's one human species. When i grew up there were kids with different skin tones, and it didn't mean anything, but more than that, even the thought that it could mean anything would been absurd. For a very long time i felt like i crash-landed my spaceship on the racism allegory planet from star trek. When i learned that people could have different sexual orientations, it felt like i had learned some random biology factoid, like learning that some people have a stronger more dexterous left hand. So yeah I carry resentment for a paradise lost.

>This all feels like you're trying to make "gotchas" in order to make me look like a woke radlib because you disagree with me.
No trickery, I already told you my motivation. I want universalist politics. Leftist politics died attempting to do particular-ism.

>I have no idea why you're doing this, we are not enemies, I wish you no harm.
Imagine that seeing races and all the other stuff was caused by wearing goggles, and if you refuse to wear those, everybody trys to make you wear the damn goggles. Could you imagine how annoyed you'd feel constantly having to remove unwanted goggles from your head. That's the best metaphor i can come up with.

Leftoids being petty bourgeois reactionaries and not giving a damn about the labor movement/class struggle #27282828.

>>489213
>Maybe we could frame it as people "imprisoned in poverty" rather than " people being poor".
That sounds autistic, lol.
>To me it's one human species.
If we're being that precise then there is no unified human species either, only individuals. That does not mean that class and prejudice suddenly vaporize out of existence, these are very social phenomena, regulated not by essences but by social relations between people. It has nothing to do with what specific skin color you have. Rather both the (lumpen)proletarian class and minority groups have very specific enemies: capitalism and false consciousness. Whether conservative or "progressive," this false consciousness points at scapegoats to bash instead of real problems.

>>489132 (OP)
>Spured a massive victim identity complex among minority groups, especially black people who are now are acting worse than ever with black youths just engaging in mass scale antisocial behavior justified with wild victim complex narcissism.

Thats more the adults who do that and that's a minority of them that are ghetto.


>"Great Replacement" honestly seems more true than not in many European cities that have frankly just turned into Ethnic enclaves. I've noticed as well the complete lack of integration, the hostility migrants have towards locals and frankly, the complete lack of giving a shit that minority have towards upholding any standards or quality of life. Go to any Ethnic enclave area and just see absolute fucking trash everywhere, run down buildings, third world tier wet markets etc. Another issue is when these groups seize power in areas, they tend to trend towards the far-right. They basically just use the left as useful idiots when they don't have power to capture councils and mayorships.

"Great Replacement" is just projection. A lot of that is due to white locals not wanting to do blue collar jobs like working on farms or warehouses.

They don't teach about blue collar jobs in schools because they think those are for losers.

Also alot of ethnic communities are poor due to systemic patronization.
They're treated as poor innocent savages that need to b smothered with handouts and "inclusivity" politics

>Also go to any ethnic neighbourhood or enclave in Europe, they are all violent, crime ridden, trash filled shitholes with ethnic minorities who specifically target violence towards locals. London. Paris is literally now just black and arab kids beating the shit out of white women, and old white locals in parks and trains and robbing them in broad daylight. Even my local corner store now has security guards because black people come in and loot the entire fucking place. Local park was beautiful, now black, arab people show up the park is completely trashed within 2 hours.

Irony is, I see more white people being victims of their own ethnic group than of outsiders.

Also as for the delinquench crisis, it may be due to not strict enough vetting.

>Immigrants just don't want to assimilate because you've been rude to them pal
>it doesn't matter that even the most tolerant societies like Canada are full to the brim with immigrants that have not assimilated
>Diversity is our strength, unless it's in the middle east or Africa, then it's actually a weakness that was used against the locals by colonisers
>Your culture eventually becoming unrecognisable is just how history works, Chud, but we should also fight against the appropriation of indigenous and POC cultures!

No wonder there's a million leftist political parties, you guys can't agree on basic shit, and when you do, it's insanely retarded.
>but why is culture even important, we're all individuals maaaaaaaaan
That's true, we are, but even as individuals, the culture we grow up in influences how we act, how we think and how we perceive things more often than it doesn't. When certain cultures are much more authoritarian and (let's face it) behind on progress than others, people from those cultures influencing others isn't a good thing. Their cultures would have to be changed, not the other way round. That doesn't really justify xenophobia or bigotry against people from foreign countries, but it does justify having standards for who we allow to settle in the west.

Ideally, eventually there will be a culture that is uniform across the globe, which would make something like this irrelevant, but that future is a long way away, 500 years at least.

>>489388
How will le cringe cultural marxists ever recover now that you've demolished picrel

>>489390
>take your meds
Yes.

Left needs to stop cocksucking Lumpens.
Defending Jordan Neely, Chris Kaba, Marcellus Williams etc is just embarrassing. Not just an issue with the modern Left. The WM3, CP5 are both 100% guilty in every concievable way if you look at the overwhelming stacked evidence against them in both cases, but got off by the Innocent Project both turning them into political culture war shitstorms. Anyone that thinks Damien Echols is innocent needs their head examined lmao.

>>489417
>Left needs to stop cocksucking Lumpens.

This is the biggest problem with both left and right.

They look down on student activists but they welcome failed non-working adults because of "worldliness".

>>489430
>They look down on student activists but they welcome failed non-working adults because of "worldliness".
You've said this in multiple threads and people have pointed out that this is a made-up thing that only exists in your head, but goshdarnit don't let that stop you from believing it.

COVID lockdowns/vaccines are the worst takes in recent memory.

>>489147
>Frankly police shitty behavior is massively overblown
You have to be sheltered as fuck to think this. They actively look for stupidity and sociopathy when hiring cops.

>>489417
>Jordan Neely
Spartacist League of all people had an excellent position on this where they strongly defended the right of proletarians to self defense.

>>489418
WM3 are 100% guilty, the evidence against them was pretty much overwhelming and they had detailed knowledge of the crime scene before police even knew about aspects of it. They also bragged about doing it before being arrested, or the crime even found.
Yes, not much physical evidence was left, but the rest of the evidence against them was just absurdly overwhelming. A lot of the "They are innocent" arguments are super "Netflix documentary" levels of weak as well, like "Jessie is too slow and retarded to commit such a crime his autism score tests prove it", yet Jessie's I.Q. score is literally higher than the average African American I.Q. score lmao or that how did Damien know where to do the crime of a town he was unfamiliar with since he didn't live in it? When he lived literally just like 2 miles away from it down the road.
Jessie is really a pretty good slam dunk that they are guilty as well, as he actually somewhat seemingly felt about about it and immediately started begging for forgiveness to friends before even being arrested, in Jail, he constantly confessed to cell mates and other innmates, and the top "WM3 are 100% innocent" activist, after meeting Jessie in a private meeting to help get them out of jail, broke off all contact with him and the WM3, and changed her position to they absolutely did it and are 100% guilty.
This isn't even touching on Damien, who was a clear serial killer in the making. Literal teen Animal torturing, blood drinking, cannibal, demon worshipping Satanist, violent ASPD sociopath. He is so absurd it's basically a parody of a serial killer. Ironically, this is why people also argue they are innocent, that Damien is such an edgelord, that this was just "attacking Goths and Satanic Panic" when the reality was, Damien was just a Cluster B unstable violent sociopath and had been one since childhood.
Yet most of the Left are "they are still innocent duuur". It's a very similar case with the CP5. Where the evidence against them is overwhelming (they had mentioned "Ray" (Rayes) being at the scene with them years before he was a police suspect) but they "got off" (Vacated, never exonerated) due to technicalities.
Either way in general, the left has a bizarre love in with Lumpens. If anything, It feels that the current western Left seem to side with Lumpens far more with Proles.

>>489417
>Left needs to stop cocksucking Lumpens.
Sure. But conservatards need to stop constantly shitting on lumpens as well. They are people too who are also vulnerable to false consciousness.

>>489136
>Local park was beautiful, now black, arab people show up the park is completely trashed within 2 hours.
<Those DAMN NI🅱️🅱️ERS, man. Those MOTHERFUCKING NI🅱️🅱️ERS, man. DISCUSTING BLACK CREATURES, GET OUT OF MY SIGHT.
You're doing a poor job at hiding your blatant racism, anon.