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 No.462013[Last 50 Posts]

This is a general thread for all China-related news.

Gusano fuckers can die. Westoid """maoists""" can sudoku.

We are going to analyize ITT every move by China in their road to a socialist economy.
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 No.462017

China's Mars Landing Mission | Shocks NASA and the USA | 中国的火星征途
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 No.462019

Why China is easing COVID-19 restrictions
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 No.462020

Xi Jinping ends landmark KSA visit by calling on Arab states to embrace multipolar world
https://thecradle.co/Article/News/19357
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 No.462021

Xi Jinping says China supports Palestine with 1967 borders
https://archive.ph/GRaGp
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 No.462022

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>>462021
comparison
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 No.462025

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This is your daily "China Ogre" poster.

China is ogre.
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 No.462034

https://gowans.blog/2022/12/10/for-the-friends-of-socialist-china-a-very-bad-week/

Beijing's revealing that profits are more important than people and arms sales to the Saudis more important than Yemen, made a very bad week for @socialist_china.
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 No.462038

>>462013
China greens the desert
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 No.462039

Im on the fucking fbi.gov and noone is here

what is the point even?
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 No.462040

>>462034
>0 Chinese sources
>sources: Wall Street Journal, London analytics, etc.
hit me with the concrete changes of the zero-covid policy or stfu with this crap
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 No.462041

>>462034
in reality:

>china saves 6 million lives by doing zero-covid

<china changes policy

westoids be like:
>OMG, CHINA IS TRUMP 2224

fuck you
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 No.462155

Top pic:
>Mentally ill millennial, entrusted with authority, teaches children to be faggots. Taunts parents on TikTok, a platform owned by a Chinese company. Math, science, etc, need to be 'decolonized.'

Bottom pic:
>Uniformed student learns that he must act as part of a single collective, the nation, in order to reclaim a former glory while struggling against hostility from depraved foreign aggressors. Stress is put on science, math, and technology. YouTube, Facebook, Snapchat, etc banned. Has access to a different version of TikTok that shadowbans fags.

<Who wins?
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 No.462238

>>462155
>Who wins? Here's hoping that they kill each other.
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 No.462663

>>462155
>Collective
Yes, the Chinese must simp for the government so their labor can be exploited by Western firms.
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 No.462666

>>462663
Wait 15 years and see who's exploiting who, white drug addled dog
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 No.462670

>>462666
>soon we will be the bourgeoisie!
t. "communists"
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 No.462673

I see the Chinese century still makes angloid right wingers seethe.
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 No.462682

>>462670
>We're the real communists and here to save you
t. powerless self-important baizuo
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 No.462683

>>462682
Communism is when you're bourgeois, and the more bourgeois you are the more communism you have.
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 No.462708

>>462683
anon, 99% of anti-capitalist discourse consists of pseuds who resent the facy that they aren't booj
contemporary western communists are included, anarchists are ESPECIALLY included. they are almost all petty-bourgeois grifters
intellectual gigachads like marx and engels were truly unique. they were extremely critical of socialism, maybe even more than capitalism.
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 No.462758

>>462708
tfw you intuit elite overproduction theory without ever hearing about it
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 No.462780

>>462758
only ever heard about turchin once, from watching a cockshott video on historical materialism i think
all the bullshit i spew i learned from chris cutrone
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 No.462883

So how long until China completely wrecks the US?
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 No.462884

>>462780
>chris cutrone
I just can't fucking stand The Platypus Affiliated Society. Huge red flags all around, major pseuds try to "rethink" Marxism without actually offering anything concrete, so it ends up as this westoid "marxist" intellectual masturbation circle rationalizing to themselves through Marcuse (or chose your poison) why they can't have a revolution in the West and why Soviet Marxism sucked.

Hate them.
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 No.462885

>>462038
but at what cost?
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 No.462886

>>462708
>anon, 99% of anti-capitalist discourse consists of pseuds who resent the fact that they aren't booj
>contemporary western communists are included, anarchists are ESPECIALLY included. they are almost all petty-bourgeois grifters
That's also why they are so fucking into coops and "workplace democracy" and all that shit, because they imagine the liberation of the proletariat through its embourgeoisement. Just make every worker a shareholding board member and you've solved capitalism, bro. The most irritating version is the "gift economy" or "barter trading" or the pseudest of all the "potlach" types who basically envision humanity going back to early artisanry (that through history, became one of the first bourgeois employers of labor anyway). These are the same people who will constantly shit on China though for being the "same capitalists as the West."

And the reason for all of this is that the westoids are literal parasites on the working classes of the Global South so they don't want a radically different society, what they want is a slightly improved life for themselves. Their ideological statements, their dreams and wishes reveals this clearly. That these "leftists" immediately turn pro-NATO whenever it's time to "liberate a country" is not incidental – they intuitively know that their way of life depends on it. That 99% of westoid unions are completely devoid of radicalism and favor incremental change is also a symptom, that for westoids the place for Marxism is in the academia and not in the factories is another.
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 No.462888

>>462883
>A ward of the west that can't even screw together an airliner is going to wreck the US.
Just two more weeks.
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 No.462889

>>462886
>That's also why they are so fucking into coops and "workplace democracy" and all that shit, because they imagine the liberation of the proletariat through its embourgeoisement.
Making the proletariat stronger gives it more revolutionary potential, not less. If you look back at the bourgeois revolutions, they didn't happen when the bourgeoisie was at its weakest. They happened when the bourgeoisie was ascendant. The same will be true of the proletarian revolution.
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 No.462891

>>462889
>Making the proletariat stronger gives it more revolutionary potential, not less.
>stronger
Miss me with your fucking empty phraseology, you booklet fuck. Having coops in the West doesn't empower its proletariat, it pacifies them. Running a collective of petit-bourgeois coworkers makes life way more tolerable. There's absolutely nothing about coops that would propel people towards more revolutionary consciousness. The people who tell you that "it shows another world is possible" are feeding you lies and jiggling a key chain at your stupid infant face.

>If you look back at the bourgeois revolutions, they didn't happen when the bourgeoisie was at its weakest.

You stupid shit, listen to me. The bourgeoisie became empowered NOT through imitating the feudal classes, falling back to their outdated mode of production, intermingling with them, or by forming enclaves of production only seemingly separate from the whole of feudalism. You literally advocate for pacifying workers when you advocate for forming coops, just like you would have done the same if you advocated for the nascent bourgeoisie to try to become lords or part of the aristocracy or clergy.

Stupid fucking shit.
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 No.462904

>>462891
>Having coops in the West doesn't empower its proletariat
Yeah, giving the working class control of the means of production makes them less revolutionary. kek
>Running a collective of petit-bourgeois coworkers makes life way more tolerable.
Oh dear, we can't have workers live being tolerable, can we? Also:
>petit-bourgeois
lol
>There's absolutely nothing about coops that would propel people towards more revolutionary consciousness.
Apart from their own rational self-interests right?
>The bourgeoisie became empowered NOT through imitating the feudal classes, falling back to their outdated mode of production, intermingling with them, or by forming enclaves of production only seemingly separate from the whole of feudalism.
Blah-blah-blah. They became more powerful. They did not become weaker, more desperate, more oppressed. No, they became more powerful just as they were becoming wealthier.

Only retards like you see any logic in accelerationism.
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 No.462906

>>462904
>Blah-blah-blah.
This is the western left.
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 No.462913

>>462906
And you're out of arguments. Puddle-deep logic, as always.
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 No.462920

>>462913
I'm not the one who couldn't address a single point raised, and instead went after strawman of "accelerationism" while in reality completely orthodox Marxist points were raised.

You are a complete booklet, m8.
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 No.462923

>>462013
It's going to be the Chinese century because the west is committing economic suicide. Europe is killing it self by imposing an energy embargo on itself and the US is going to bleed it self to death with military spending.
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 No.462924

>>462920
Your "point" was nothing but talking around the plain fact the the bourgeoisie was economically ascendant when they finally achieved revolution. It wasn't even accurate, since, yes, they did emulate the aristocracy during their ascendency. But no matter how you try to couch it, the bourgeois revolutions occured when the bourgeoisie had a very large degree of control of the economy. They were not the hopeless, downtrodden lowest class of society. Attempts by the desperately weak and impoverished have always played out like the peasant rebellions of the ancien regime. Yeah, they are eager to fight, but their cause is hopeless. They are not revolutionary. inb4 zomgproblematicwesternchauvanistwhitemalepetitbourgeoislaboraristocrat
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 No.462969

>>462923
>It's going to be the Chinese century because the west is committing economic suicide.
You've got it backwards. The collective West is committing economic suicide exactly because it has no other feasible methods of containing the rise of the East.
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 No.462970

>>462969
>no other feasible methods
(e.g. direct warfare)

(Taiwan united with mainland by 2030.)
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 No.462976

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>>462924
>>462904
If I may be permitted to educate you.

What you are calling "accelerationism" (a term coined in the 21st century, functioning in this "debate" of ours as a stawman of your own making in your petty argumentation) is not even closely related to my core beliefs, or, to "where I'm coming from."

As I already made it implicit, mine is an orthodox Marxist view – that held by Marx, Engels, and Lenin to different degrees dependent on the theoretical development of their views in different periods of their development.

To reiterate the main points:
1. Under the current global capitalist politico-economic environment to advocate for "cooperatizing" the working class doesn't amount to "strengthening" their (abstract) "power" as hypothesized by you, and no amount of economic "self-bettering" of select pockets of the (especially Western) proletariat resulting from this can ever lead to the overall emancipation of the proletariat culminating in a DotP for the single reason that cooperatization merely means petit-embourgeoisement of the pockets of the working class (esp. in the West).

You are being continuously called a "booklet" because the congruent results are already being drawn in such classics as Marx's The Poverty of Philosophy, and Engels' Socialiasm – Utopian and Scientific. Parallel to this runs a long Leninist tradition calling out core-capitalist unions for being "reformist," and the general population being "labor aristocrats" (stemming back to Engels).

It makes me think that you don't actually understand what the term "embourgeoisement" (a term spanning back to Marx and Engels) even means. It means that a specific sector of a specific economic unit's (e.g. country's) portion of the working class becomes enfeebled in terms of revolutionary potential and becomes aligned in terms of (oft global) class interests with their local (and int. aligned [in case of global] imperialist) bourgeoisie proper.

But this is just one line of argumentation you didn't understand.

The other one argued against your infantile idiocy regarding the levels of modes of production, in developmental, or, if you'd like, Marxist-"teleological" / Marxist-"productionist" fashion. Namely, that pockets of the working class adopting a cooperative economic framework equals with their setting back in terms of development to the already existing capitalist framework.

Parallel to the two main lines of argumentation above, runs a much more basic line, namely the model of the "development of revolutionary consciousness of the working class" as observed and outlined in Lenin's What is to be Done. To TL;DR: working class revolutionary consciousness develops in direct conflict with the bourgeoisie, which your proposed model of "just do coops, lmao" tries to bypass altogether, again, resulting in a p-bourg mindset.

And finally, there is actual historic evidence proving your line absolutely incorrect and wrongheaded from a revolutionary POV – no surprise to anyone who studies Marx, Engels, and Lenin. Namely, the israeli series of Kibbutzim experiments which started as localized coops aimed at birthing socialist collectives, all organized in a cooperative fashion, but done so under the general aegis of a capitalist(/neo-colonialist) project of the state building of modern Israel. What happened on the political side (again: Engels – Utopian and Scientific) is that these futile projects became crucial vehicles for the bourgeois project of nation building for Israel, and what happened on the economic side (obv. the two being in dialectical relationship) is that said local coops started out as economic units of local "equal owners and producers"… a decade later employing poor Palestinian labor as paid wage labor (economic exploitation proper). There are literally no guarantees for this NOT to happen whenever and wherever coops arise in a capitalist (as opposed to under DotP) setting.

This is also why Rojava-fags are complete idiots and booklets like yourself, but, anon, you are about to become less of a booklet, because you've been provided with at least 3 books to read, and like 4 topics to further research….

RIGHT?

>inb4 Daddy Richard D. Wolff & Noam Chomsky

Read the books, you fucking useless cumstain, and become a less useless cumstain.
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 No.462977


>inb4 blahblahblah v.2

are you american, you unsalvageable cunt?
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 No.462979

"A decoupling between US and China may mean the decoupling between the US and the world", and "For example, Brazil used to export $1 billion to China in a year and now it exports that same amount in 72 hours"
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 No.462981

World’s Second-Biggest Hydropower Plant Starts Generating Electricity in China
https://www.yicaiglobal.com/news/world-second-biggest-hydropower-plant-starts-generating-electricity-in-china
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 No.462982

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What the Pentagon Doesn’t Want You to Know About China

To encourage Congress to authorize the largest defense budget ever, the Pentagon just released its annual report on China, which dangerously misrepresents the country’s defense strategy. Such deliberate lies about China to drum up justification for more US war spending need to be urgently addressed.

Let’s debunk these lies:

On Nuclear Weapons: The Pentagon reports that China possesses around 400 nuclear warheads with no clear plan on how to use them. If this estimation of China’s arsenal is correct, it’s still trivial compared to the US’s almost 6,000 warheads. China is the only nuclear power with an unconditional “no first use” policy, and has been clear that it only intends to use its nuclear power for assurance and defense. Meanwhile, the United States is the only country to have used nuclear weapons in war and has also flirted with escalating tensions into a nuclear war with Russia this year. Who is preparing for war?

On Global Military Presence: The Pentagon reports that since China established its first overseas military base in Djibouti, it has ambitions to expand its military presence globally. At the same time, the United State has more than 750 military bases in around 80 countries. This includes more than 250 bases in the Asia-Pacific encircling China with 375,000 personnel in the Indo-Pacific Command, while China has no military presence in the Western Hemisphere. Who is preparing for war?

On International Order: The Pentagon reports that China may challenge the US in the international arena. It is true that China is taking the lead internationally in economic development, in technological innovation, and in fighting climate change. Other countries around the world are happy for its support in growing their capacities to be independent of United States hegemony in their regions. China builds relationships through economic cooperation and good diplomacy. In contrast, the United States asserts its global dominance through direct or proxy war, occupation, crippling sanctions, and regime-changing coups. The international order that the United States seeks to maintain is rooted in violence and destruction. Let’s invest in peace, not war!

While the United States is desperately pursuing its outdated policy of enforcing global hegemony, the rest of the world is already moving towards a multilateral sphere, which ensures the greatest chance for peace. Escalating tension with China was a mistake, and building a colossal military budget is doubling down on this mistake. We must be vigilant about the warmongering lies about China. “China is not our enemy” is not a hollow slogan but firm ground that peacemakers stand on.
https://dissidentvoice.org/2022/12/what-the-pentagon-doesnt-want-you-to-know-about-china/
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 No.463023

>>462976
>To reiterate the main points:
Fuck reiterating. It's time to support your points. You're not doing anything but repeating claims. Also, lol you have a "1" but not a "2."
>the general population being "labor aristocrats" (stemming back to Engels)
Daily reminder that Marx coined the term "labor aristocrat" as a sarcastic joke at the expense of the notion that such a thing could possibly exist.
>But this is just one line of argumentation you didn't understand.
No, what you did was make a claim–a bullshit claim–with nothing to support it. That is not a line of argumentation.
>The other one argued against your infantile idiocy regarding the levels of modes of production, in developmental, or, if you'd like, Marxist-"teleological" / Marxist-"productionist" fashion. Namely, that pockets of the working class adopting a cooperative economic framework equals with their setting back in terms of development to the already existing capitalist framework.
If you're going to post in English, then first learn the language.
>Parallel to the two main lines of argumentation above, runs a much more basic line, namely the model of the "development of revolutionary consciousness of the working class" as observed and outlined in Lenin's What is to be Done. To TL;DR: working class revolutionary consciousness develops in direct conflict with the bourgeoisie, which your proposed model of "just do coops, lmao" tries to bypass altogether, again, resulting in a p-bourg mindset.
Nobody said, "just do coops." What was said was, "empower the working class," and no, Patrick, suicide nets are not empowering the working class.
>There are literally no guarantees for this NOT to happen whenever and wherever coops arise in a capitalist (as opposed to under DotP) setting.
Christ, if you're going to make an argument against coops, at least pick an example that isn't just hippies. Cerro Rico is a far more damning example.
>This is also why Rojava-fags are complete idiots and booklets like yourself, but, anon, you are about to become less of a booklet, because you've been provided with at least 3 books to read, and like 4 topics to further research….
No, I'm going to stick to Capital. You might want to try it. It's a good read.
>>462977
In during blahblahblahblah. Suck it, turdworldist.
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 No.463026

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>>463023
>It's time to support your points.
I already did. I already did by citing theoretical works from Marx and Engels, but I moved beyond that even, by citing exhaustive historical evidence.

DID YOU MISS THOSE?

Want me to help you out with basic reading comprehension?

>Daily reminder that Marx coined the term "labor aristocrat" as a sarcastic joke at the expense of the notion that such a thing could possibly exist.

<[SOURCE:NONE]

MEANWHILE, IN REALITY, YOU ABSOLUTE PSEUD:
>>>>The members of the petty bourgeoisie who still adhere to the party, together with the labour aristocracy, form a purely democratic faction whose programme is limited to the People's Charter and a number of other petty-bourgeois reforms. The mass of the workers who live in truly proletarian conditions belong to the revolutionary Chartist faction.
<MECW 10, p. 514, written by Karl Marx & Friedrich Engels

MEANWHILE, IN REALITY, YOU ABSOLUTE PSEUD:
>>>>"These new Trades Unions of unskilled men and women are totally different from the old organisations of the working-class aristocracy and cannot fall into the same conservative ways;"
<MECW 48, p. 389, ENGELS TO LAURA LAFARGUE

MEANWHILE, IN REALITY, YOU ABSOLUTE PSEUD:
>>>>"A system that makes a few new shopkeepers and capitalists to replace the old, and increases the great curse of the working classes, the aristocracy of labour."
<MECW 11, p. 580

MEANWHILE, IN REALITY, YOU ABSOLUTE PSEUD:
>>>>"But it isn't actually socialist and those Englishmen who have understood our theory best remain outside it — Hyndman because he's an incorrigible intriguer and dog-in-the-manger, Bax because he's too much of an academic. In form, the movement is first and foremost a trades union movement, but totally different from the movement of the old Trades Unions, that of the skilled labourers or working men's aristocracy."
<MECW 48, p. 417, Engels to Friedrich Adolph Sorge

PLEASE TELL ME HOW MARX & ENGELS ONLY """"SARCASTICALLY"""" USED THE TERM, YOU FUCKING BOOKLET PSEUD!
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 No.463027

UHM, AKSHUALLY, WHEN MARX SAID "MODES OF PRODUCTION" HE ONLY MEANT IT IRONICALLY, LMAO

>western left in 2022
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 No.463028

>>463023
how do you live with yourself, spreading obvious lies, honestly?
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 No.463029

>>463026
><[SOURCE:NONE]
Wait, wait, wait… you didn't know that? Top kek! Tell you what, if I provide the exact page and paragraph where Marx coins "labor aristocracy" as a joke, will you admit that a joke is exactly what "labor aristocracy" is?
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 No.463031

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>>463023
>turdworldist
WOW, IT TURNS OUT THAT ENGELS, WHO LIVED BETWEEN 1820-1895 WAS ACTUALLY A """"""""THIRD WORLDIST"""""""" (A TERM INVENTED IN THE 21ST CENTURY) WHEN HE SAID, AND I QUOTE:

wtf, picrels are actually from Engels providing a picture of the lab. aristocrats!!!
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 No.463032

>>463029
Above sources already prove that the term was operative in a serious manner in the oeuvre of Marx and Engels.

What are you even TRYING to prove, worm?
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 No.463033

>>463029
does any of these legitimate sources look like a "joke" to you:
>>463026
>>463031
?
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 No.463034

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The L – you should take it, booklet.
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 No.463035

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>when Westoid is defeated
glory to China, Laos, North-Korea, Vietnam, and Cuba
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 No.463037

>>463033
>>463032
>>463031
So, that's a bet then? Yes?
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 No.463038

>>463034
>>463031
>>463032
>>463033
>>463034
>>463035
Allow me to reiterate, since you love that shit. If I can show that Marx coined labor aristocracy as a sarcastic joke at the expense of the notion that such a thing exists, you will declare that "labor aristocracy" is a joke, right?
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 No.463039

>>463038
Tfw your political ideology is an esoteric cult and you debate the deeper meaning of offhand remarks by its founder
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 No.463040

>>463031
>>463032
>>463033
>>463034
>>463035
Come on, don't bitch out. One of you is feeling confident, right?
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 No.463041

>>463039
Wait, is that a tacit admission that Marx did just that?
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 No.463042

>>463039
Also, lol "off-hand remark." He wrote an entire sub-chapter of Capital Vol. 1 about it. Oops! I just gave the game away.
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 No.463043

>>463038
Even if you could put forward a single source wherein Marx uses ironically the term "labour aristocracy" all the above quotations which use the term in serious theoretical discussion/debate would disprove your point of it being "merely a joke."

But please, entertain us.
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 No.463044

>>463043
>>463038
also, don't just quote it, give us the source in MECW vol. & pg. no. so we can read the context and laugh at you.
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 No.463045

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>>463038
>Allow me to reiterate, since you love that shit
<reiteration…
<you love that shit
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 No.463046

>>463043
>Even if you could put forward a single source wherein Marx uses ironically the term "labour aristocracy"
(btw, I pdfgrepped this shit, so I have 99.9% uses of M&E uttering "lab. arist." so I would be rather surprised if this anon came up with a revelatory source that would "prove" that all if this was a "joke" lol.)
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 No.463047

>>463042
>>463041
Both sides of this debate are pretty retarded, tbh.

On one side, the ortho-marxoid who handwaves away his own irrelevance and impotence with fart sniffing phrases like false consciousness.

On the other, the stunted white guy who honestly believes that Third World people are some hotbed of
revolutionary fervent, and everyone in the First World fails to live up to a proper moral standard (except them, of course).

It's the bumfights of political debates
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 No.463048

>>463043
>>463044
>>463045
>>463046
Source: Capital Vol. 1, Chapter 25, sub-chapter D. Yes, the entire sub-chapter is about this very subject. Now, are any of them man enough to own up?

To reiterate, none of the above turdworldist fucks–not one of them–has read Capital Vol. 1.
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 No.463050

>>463047
>the ortho-marxoid who handwaves away his own irrelevance and impotence with fart sniffing phrases like false consciousness.
It is long established (and, I should add, since then empirically established) that all forms reformism and utopianism (incl. "establishing coops") do not favor revolutionary consciousness developing in the masses. Would you please provide a historic counter example if you had one?

Not just the "Orthodox" but the basic fucking Marxism101 tells us that said consciousness develops via the proletariat as a mass confronting the bourgeoisie.

Nothing I've said above is even remotely considered to be controversial among mainline Marxists.

Please consult the above mentioned classics (ME&L). This whole "debate" is a joke.

If you were really shilled into "gommunism=coops" meme I feel sorry for you.
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 No.463052

>>463050
Bro, you're politically irrelevant. We get it
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 No.463053

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>>463048
There's no "sub-chapter D" in the MECW Capital vol. 1. under ch. 25, anon. In fact, even "ch. 25" is written in roman numerals – "XXV".

Please VERY PRECISELY POINT TO THE EXACT PLACE where Marx supposedly
1) coins "labour aristocracy";
2) and coins it in a "SARCASTIC" way in pdf-rel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Protip: previous sources have been given that disprove your claim that 1) "it was coined in capital" since much earlier sources are available for the coinage of the term; 2) the whole "it's a joke" charade was already disproven by detailed quotations above.

Good luck, marvelous faggot!!
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 No.463054

I just wanna have fun.

Fucking fact-havers ruin it all the time whenever i go to commie forums.


fuck u all
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 No.463055

File: 1671601454988.jpg ( 27.47 KB , 1500x845 , Sixty-and-Me-Words-Can’t-D….jpg )

>>463052
>>Would you please provide a historic counter example if you had one?
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 No.463056

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 No.463057

>be westoid
>try to be communist
>fail
Xi, help me
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 No.463058

>>463053
In which part of Capital does Marx explain why I can't get a gf?
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 No.463059

>>463058
MECW I. (young Marx poems).
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 No.463066

>faglords debating about muh Marx ITT
>China be like
>lemme just screen this ancient bridge with Diablo 2 musac (guitar+mellotrone)
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 No.463067

>Still waiting for my savior

Xi, help me
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 No.463226

china is fucked
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 No.463228

>>463226
since the 50's, when mao to make cornpop happy got rid of all stalinists (the only competent people) in the party, becoming just a plaything of the right, a puppet of the jew enlai, while the left was only capable of chimping out.
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 No.463230

>>463226
yeah, totally, dude
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 No.463271

File: 1672017200041.mp4 ( 5.69 MB , 720x1280 , SnapSave.io-The Bear Seems….mp4 )

I love impotent burger fantasies of dealing with those pesky chinese
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 No.463287

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 No.463432

File: 1672451232437-0.png ( 93.26 KB , 252x168 , ClipboardImage.png )

File: 1672451232437-1.png ( 477.39 KB , 825x510 , ClipboardImage.png )

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 No.463435

>>463287
It's a bit of a cliches to say this but the de-dolarizaton process is dialectical.
The more the US uses it's currency as a geopolitical tool the more the counter-tendencies grow.
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 No.463455

China is collapsing in 2023
for real this time
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 No.463456

>>463455
RIP
ogre, it's official
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 No.463660

File: 1673040809632.png ( 340.04 KB , 860x1126 , christchanlaughingatyou.png )

>implements three red lines policy because thinks he can control capitalism
>real estate crashes with no survivors
>gets social unrest
>backs down on three red lines policy
kek
nice maneuver socdems

watching socdems is like watching a mentally handicapped child struggling to tie his shoes and failing again and again
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 No.463666

File: 1673044590550.jpg ( 66.86 KB , 750x1334 , Chinese bottom.jpg )

>>462013
China will never be on top because Chinese are bottoms with a daddy kink.
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 No.463797

https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=ByWvQFveVBY

The US is trying to manufacture a Taiwan-war.
The question is whether they can pull it off.
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 No.463807

>>463797
China should totally outmaneuver the US by simply not invading Taiwan. It would be genius. The US would spend money on giving weapons to Taiwan that they will never use against China. Pure genius.
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 No.463818

File: 1673172866699.jpg ( 287.59 KB , 1440x2357 , eNYNTwa.jpg )

Based CPC
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 No.463825

>>463818
Yes, it's nice when bosses sometimes get fired and replaced with other bosses.
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 No.463829

File: 1673185433151.jpg ( 237.18 KB , 1920x1080 , 31.jpg )

>>463818
>charismatic billionaire
the man looks like a homunculus straight out of the secret lab
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 No.463850

>>463825
>communists are bosses
left anti-communist spotted
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 No.463852

File: 1673214314006.jpg ( 14.94 KB , 220x283 , 220px-Enabling_eCommerce-_….jpg )

>>463829
jack ma is very handsome, tbh

if i were a women, id rate him 9/10 and would have sexual relations with him
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 No.463872

>>463825
Infantile take. Note that this would never happen in 'mericuh
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 No.464009

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 No.464018

File: 1673348600544.jpeg ( 246.6 KB , 1080x2182 , FmDPsbwX0AA5Euz.jpeg )

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 No.464042

why come asians are superior in every conceivable way?
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 No.464262

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 No.464269

>>464018
clown world
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 No.464313

>>464269
t. math forcer
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 No.464316

muh covid genocide
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 No.464334

File: 1674143314609.webm ( 10.19 MB , 1280x720 , lmao.webm )

>>464316
webm capped from this

just lmao'ing at the westernoids, honestly
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 No.464400

File: 1674237700759.mp4 ( 1015.99 KB , 720x1280 , SnapSave.io-Would you use ….mp4 )

Chine just started the "One child one train" policy and the trial runs look promising.
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 No.464405

File: 1674242958165.mp4 ( 3.77 MB , 1280x720 , 1674232980323.mp4 )

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 No.464423

>>464400
It would seem that the next generation will grow up with no idea of what actually touching grass is like.
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 No.464441

>>463797
i hope so, chins are dipshit nationialists with a red paint job
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 No.464442

>>463226
yep
>>463271
lulzy and appropriate response to tourists
>>463057
no helping, just waiting for the global jihad to fook shit up
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 No.464449

File: 1674491770988.jpg ( 43.79 KB , 620x350 , zorg 5th element weapons d….jpg )

>>464441
>I hope for war with China
The military industrial complex sales-person has logged on
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 No.464450

>>464449
>sales-person
product sells itself nerd
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 No.464451

File: 1674493523877.png ( 80.35 KB , 700x934 , lelwtf.png )

>>464450
>product sells itself
seriously you're actually selling weapons ?
kek
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 No.464470

>>464441
Ummmm… Based..
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 No.464647

File: 1674850810668-0.jpg ( 77.87 KB , 909x832 , China land becomes public.jpg )

File: 1674850810668-1.jpg ( 21.26 KB , 345x388 , Micheal hudson economist.jpg )

China is nationalizing (through purchases) land.
It seems they are heeding the advice of Micheal Hudson type economists that have warned against letting finance capital turn into rentier capital through mechanisms like real estate speculation.
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 No.464663

>>464647
but why the sudden change in policy
do you think they're predicting a big ass global recession soon
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 No.464668

>>464663
The real estate market has been destroying itself since the banks started buying up single unit homes. It's causing de-urabanization. Even American cities are getting on the public housing train.
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 No.464682

>>464663
>but why the sudden change in policy
It wasn't unexpected, a while ago Xi Jinpin maid a big deal about Houses being for living.
Which means they are going after real estate speculators, not only because they are parasites that do nothing but raise the cost of housing, but also because private real estate in China has been creating financial bubbles, which causes economic instability, and that is a big NO NO in China.

But the Chinese private real estate sector has also been shit in a myriad of other ways, they frequently abandoned partially finished construction or skimp on build-quality to such an extend that it created structural integrity risks. That meant new buildings could not be used because they failed safety inspections and there were some fatalities, a few buildings actually collapsed while being occupied by people. So they really had it coming. Don't get me wrong tho Chinese construction is generally good quality, but there were enough "technical irregularities" to cause political consequences.

>do you think they're predicting a big ass global recession soon

Many people are predicting a recession in the west, but China doesn't appear to be heading towards one.
I don't think that a recession in the west will significantly affect China, they have considerably reconfigured their economy after the 2008 financial crash. If the west tanks it's economy again, the Chinese will just turn up the knob for internal consumption to substitute for the loss of commodity export markets. That should shield them from most of the fallout. So it won't be global.
If you are asking whether their decision to move more real-estate into the public sector has something to do with global events: Maybe a little, real estate finance is a fickle beast that is easily disrupted by happenings, but i'm leaning towards mostly domestic reasons.
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 No.464707

Is General Minihan's gut correct ?
Is the US going to war against china in 2 years.
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 No.464708

File: 1674932795355.jpg ( 86.84 KB , 954x710 , Sino-US war in 2025.jpg )

>>464707
forgot pic
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 No.464710

>>464707
It's a "gut feeling." What a nothing burger. Besides, why would either country want to tank their own enconmies as they are trying to claw out of a depression?
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 No.464712

>>464710
for the lulz and georgia stones
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 No.464741

https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=2Z-OSlarqYY

Discussion about US-China rivalry
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 No.464783

here we go
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 No.464786

>>464783
>smart silver stacker
opinion discarded

go stack some beans and toilet paper in your basement retadoid
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 No.464832

File: 1675196584415.jpg ( 77.6 KB , 600x550 , japan-remillitarizes.jpg )

Japan is now rearming, and it looks like the front-lines for WW3 are being drawn.

But can Japan really fight a war ?
They are already having demographic shrinkage, can they really afford to send another generation into the killing fields without a population collapse ?
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 No.464847

>>464832
I'm willing to bet that japan doesn't want anything to do with war after ww2. Plenty of people still alive who remeber the atom bomb.
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 No.464849

>>464847
who's "japan"? an otaku collecting figurines? a Japanese schoolgirl?

if Japanese state wasn't preparing for war - it wouldn't have been militarizing (duh)

who cares about the fucking bomb?
nobody cares about ancient history ( except nazoid useful idiots) if it can't be used as a weapon here and now
Japan is tied to the US just as Europe, if US goes to war - Japan goes with it
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 No.464851

>>464847
>I'm willing to bet that japan doesn't want anything to do with war after ww2. Plenty of people still alive who remember the atom bomb.
The likelyhood of China nuking Japan is low even during a war. Although they might consider it if Japan ever tried to get it's own nuclear arsenal. But you are right the Japanese population is likely not on board, even a conventional war is plenty horrifying.

>>464849
>if Japanese state wasn't preparing for war - it wouldn't have been militarizing
maybe
>who cares about the fucking bomb?
All the sane people do.
>nobody cares about ancient history ( except nazoid useful idiots)
All the history teachers hate you.
>if it can't be used as a weapon here and now
Nukes can't rationally be used, but that doesn't mean they won't be used. You can't play a game of who blinks first.

Reading your post creates the impression that you think it's possible to make the Chinese yield to US hegemony if only the west appears bloodthirsty enough. The Chinese play for keeps too, they won't cave. They have a style of conducting international politics that is based on maximizing agreeableness, they do this because it's better for business, it would be a fatal error to mistake it as weakness.

>Japan is tied to the US just as Europe, if US goes to war - Japan goes with it

All alliances are conditional, lets be realistic.
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 No.464852

>>464849
Every single country on the planet is militarizing and also loves to rattle their sabers when things get dicey, but, Japan is not looking for war.

>nobody cares about ancient history


This is probably one of the stupidest things I have ever read in my life. People exist today who literally say people get incinerated in Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Anime as a medium literally has roots in the Atomic Bombing of Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Why do you think a lot of anime themes(especially OVA of the 80s and 90s) revolve around an existential terror and threat of nightmarish proportions? There's tons of anime covering specifically these events.

That's like saying "No one in the US cares about 9/11 anymore" You have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.
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 No.464858

>>464851
>The likelyhood of China nuking Japan is low even during a war.
The fuck you're smoking? Japan is the primary military logistical hub for the US military in the Asia-Pacific. It gets nuked the moment gloves come off.
Well, at least Okinawa gets nuked, at least in the scenario where the ruling class actually knows wtf it wants and is ready for a total annihilation (hello Russia).
Maybe not right away, and maybe not even by a nuke, but Okinawa gets obliterated in all scenarios.

I don't think China has the capacity to naval block Japan by using subs and ships, so that leaves nukes.
It would be BEYOND russkie levels retarded to not use every possible weapon to destroy the enemy logistical hubs in the Asia-Pacific when the theater of war is right at your border and burgers need to cross the ocean to get to it.

>All the sane people do.

where is class in this? what is "sane" for one class is not "sane" for the other

>All the history teachers hate you.

fuck 'em

>Nukes can't rationally be used, but that doesn't mean they won't be used.

I was talking about ancient history as a weapon, not nukes
lrn2read

>Reading your post creates the impression that you think it's possible to make the Chinese yield to US hegemony if only the west appears bloodthirsty enough. The Chinese play for keeps too, they won't cave.

No shit chinese porks won't cave lol. Especially when they have all the proles to throw in the meatgrinder of war. No ruling class ever would cave in before it has its back against the wall retard.

>They have a style of conducting international politics that is based on maximizing agreeableness, they do this because it's better for business, it would be a fatal error to mistake it as weakness.

what an absolute retarded take from a retarded nazoid
"maximizing agreeableness" my ass lmao
"bad for business" lmao
spoken like a true nazoid petty shopkeeper

war is never "bad for business" in capitalism
it is maybe not good for your particular dildo shop, but who ever cares about what a nazoid shopkeeper thinks

dismissed, bitch
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 No.464859

>>464852
>but, Japan is not looking for war
why the sudden cries about "muh we need to defend ourselves!!" then? Japan have gone through the Cold War without militarizing, but suddenly it needs to now? lol
and just as it faces a fourth decade of economic stagnation.. curious

>This is probably one of the stupidest things I have ever read in my life.

because you're a retarded nazoid

>muh anime!!

nobody cares retard

>That's like saying "No one in the US cares about 9/11 anymore"

are you for real bitch? get the fuck out here lol
stupid motherfucker
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 No.464860

>>464852
Literally no one in the US cares about 9/11 any more, except perhaps as a cautionary tale for why you shouldn't just trust the official explanation of controversial events.
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 No.464862

>>464858
>Japan is the primary military logistical hub for the US military in the Asia-Pacific. It gets nuked the moment gloves come off.
>Well, at least Okinawa gets nuked, Maybe not right away, and maybe not even by a nuke, but Okinawa gets obliterated in all scenarios.
>I don't think China has the capacity to naval block Japan
I could imagine that they might nuke Guam because the US stations a lot of nuclear bombers on that Island.
But they will smash Okinawa with conventional weapons. And they do have the navel yard construction capacity to build a fleet, that can blockade Japan. I think the Chinese will fight with an incremental methodical style, and deliberately iterate their military systems, while they ramp up pressure over time.

>It would be BEYOND russkie levels retarded to not use every possible

The Russians are acting deliberately, their goal is not just to impose a crushing tactical military defeat on Ukraine (American shock and aw style), they want to drain Ukraine of it's ability to fight, because they don't want an insurgency after the war. Their goal is for the fighters that can be motivated by the Bandera-wing to have the fight beaten out of them, and all their weapons supplies destroyed by this war, So that when it's over it's really over for good. And they want to achieve all of this while minimizing their own military personal casualties and war-economics hardships for their own population.

If the US can force the Japanese to attack China. The Chinese won't just try to beat them militarily, they will seek to completely break down Japanese society until it can be remade into something new that will never be hostile towards China again. Think more along the lines of what happened after WW2 to the defeated countries.

Unlike you they are also thinking about what happens after the war.
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 No.464875

>>464860
Yeah ok, I found the non burger.
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 No.464920

>>464862
>The Russians are acting deliberately, their goal is not just to impose a crushing tactical military defeat on Ukraine
stfu
don't you EVER talk to me nazoid bitch

I need to wash my hands now
if only I could choke you through the screen..
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 No.464924

File: 1675355048871.jpg ( 110.45 KB , 1200x591 , seize grass touch it.jpg )

>>464858
>dismissed, bitch
>>464859
stupid motherfucker
>>464920
>if only I could choke you through the screen.
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 No.464959

File: 1675443396671.jpg ( 126.63 KB , 1042x1358 , balloonhysteria.jpg )

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 No.464960

>>464959
What's the fucking deal with this shit? What did china just have a spy balloon just accidentally drift off course or some shit? lol. Apperently burger government was pissed off
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 No.464961

>>464960
My bet is that it's a meteorological balloon
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 No.464963

>>464960
It's a balloon for equipment, likely a science experiment or a weather balloon.
Those balloons can't be directly steered. But it's possible to predict weather patterns. If released at a specific time and place, those weather pattern will carry the balloon on a predictable path. So you sort-off can choose where they go. But it's not a perfect mechanism, balloons can drift of course. That is the most likely explanation for this.

Of course it's also possible that it's a Chinese spy balloon. China has spy satellites that scan the US (the reverse is also true) so there can hardly be a sensible reason for such a puzzling stunt.

It's certainly not a saber rattling provocation
<Behold my mighty instrument lifting balloon, kneel before it's power.
Said no-one ever.
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 No.464976

>>464959
>>464960
>>464961
>>464963
I think it was a political balloon.
They hyped this shit in order to stop the diplomatic visit to China by US secretary of state Blinken.
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 No.465000

File: 1675546621717.jpg ( 22.63 KB , 600x330 , ballon popped.jpg )

they popped the balloon

it's over loon-bros
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 No.465001

>>465000
NOOOO GOD WHY
THE HUMANITY! I loved that balloon!
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 No.465030

File: 1675616943538.jpg ( 48.83 KB , 877x455 , f22.jpg )

>>465001
They scrambled an F22 air superiority fighter to shoot it down.
Shooting sparrows with a cannon is for amateurs, popping balloons with Fighter jets is where it's at.

They used up an air to air missile for this. If the Chinese release more balloons are they going to empty their missile ammo racks ?
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 No.465031

>>465030
Don't those jets have actual turrets attached to them? It seems so unnecessary. How much are one of those fuckers anyways?
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 No.465033

File: 1675621347539.jpg ( 104.84 KB , 1200x797 , 20 mm m61a2 vulcan rotary ….jpg )

>>465031
They don't have turrets, a turret means that it can aim independently from the direction the jet is facing.
But they do have a big 20mil dogfight cannon.

>It seems so unnecessary.

Yeah they probably could have shredded the balloon with that cannon.
Now that i'm thinking about it, a balloon moves quite slow, and a jet moves quite fast.
The balloon wouldn't be in cannon range for very long. Maybe they didn't want to risk the jet catching on the balloon or something.

>How much are one of those fuckers anyways?

I don't know what missiles they used but for the F22 standard air to air armament is
the "cheap one" Aim 9 is $200k a pop
the expensive one Aim 120 is $1 million a pop

There is no way the balloon cost anywhere near as much.
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 No.465093

File: 1675763557279.png ( 24.25 KB , 793x245 , 1675759937621441.png )

It's ober
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 No.465113

>>465093
The ai is reading digital tea leafs.
The US empire is soooo not prepared to start shit with China, they got outproduced in industrial warfare by Russia.
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 No.465116

>>465113
>Having this much cope about the military strength of the united states.
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 No.465173

>>465116
It's true, the US military is a joke. Except what that anon didn't mention is that China and Russia's militaries are even funnier jokes.
But their point about industrial capacity winning wars is correct in the long run. A US declaration of war against China would probably result in something similar to when Japan declared war on the US.
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 No.465175

>>465173
Militaries aren't built for the purpose so many think they're made for. If you wanted a military that would win a total war, you wouldn't have the imperial army, but a mass army and a reasonable willingness to accept conscription and make something out of useless grunts. That is the thing military leaders abhor more than anything else, because they like their warrior aristocracy and sense of elitism.

Anyway I mentioned on the other board (before mod faggots deleted all my posts) that US and China have no real reason to engage in a war of any sort. Even the "Trade war" was more performative, as was the "pivot to Asia" from Obama. It's the sort of thing that makes for dinner conversation with the rubes, but anyone serious laughs at that. The matter was settled by Nixon and Mao in the 1970s, and this setup of the global system depends on Asia being held by the CCP. If you're a global oligarch, you love everything coming out of China right now. Xi is president for life and made himself ridiculously safe within the party, does basically everything the oligarchic leadership actually cares about, and the US ruling class press pumps up Xi as the magnificent bastard. Right now, Xi is portrayed as the smartest man in the room, and if you know how to read American agitprop tea leaves, it suggests that they like the situation very much, and no one wants to fuck that up. I have yet to see a good reason why anyone competent would throw away the US-China arrangement, or why China would see Dugin's Eurasian faggotry as anything other than desperation.
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 No.465182

https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=W4EPv59Wo8Y

The Ballooning War Drive Against China
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 No.465318

File: 1676157672597.mp4 ( 17.26 MB , 1080x1920 , Y2Mate.is - How Asian Pare….mp4 )

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 No.465375

https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=ZrpaYVztM18

Chinese state media talking about the West's attitude towards helping the Syrian Earthquake victims
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 No.466496

File: 1677702915130.jpg ( 54.41 KB , 535x299 , job aspirations .jpg )

It feels like this is indicative about where a society is heading. Because when the west was rising, children also wanted to become astronauts.

Anybody got a better analysis ?
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 No.466504

File: 1677708231734.jpg ( 64.92 KB , 634x422 , socialism button.jpg )

<BEIJING, March 1 (Reuters) - Plans by China's Communist Party to revive a high-level economic watchdog after two decades signal President Xi Jinping push to increase oversight of the financial sector, analysts say, part of a wider tightening of control by Xi and the party.
<Xi, who secured a precedent-breaking third leadership term in October, is planning to resurrect the Central Financial Work Commission (CFWC), which will be directly under central party leadership, two people briefed on the matter told Reuters.
<A decision to revive the commission may be revealed following the annual gathering of the National People's Congress (NPC), the people said. The NPC, to begin its session on Sunday, is set to confirm a new slate of economic leaders chosen by Xi.
<"Overall, the top leadership is not very satisfied with the situation in the financial sector, and the problem is related to the political stance among the state-owned financial institutions," said Xu, pointing to what he said was frustration among senior party officials that their directives are not properly implemented.
<"Xi throughout wants centralised, vertical power through Party committees that directly report to him," said Alfred Wu, associate professor at the Lee Kwan Yew School of Public Policy at the National University of Singapore.

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/xis-planned-revival-chinese-financial-watchdog-exerts-more-party-control-2023-03-01/
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 No.466555

File: 1677786703716.jpg ( 63.61 KB , 1200x787 , Xi kek.jpg )

The US Neocons made TSMC relocate chip-factories to the US, and the result of that is:

<More than 3,000 semiconductor engineers have departed Taiwan for positions at mainland China companies, the island's Business Weekly reports. Analysts at the Taiwan Institute of Economic Research say this figure appears to be accurate. That amounts to nearly one-tenth of Taiwan's roughly 40,000 engineers involved in semiconductor research and development.


Sauce
https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/China-tech/Taiwan-loses-3-000-chip-engineers-to-Made-in-China-2025
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 No.466556

>>466555
>The US Neocons made TSMC relocate chip-factories to the US
really? this the biggest red flag yet that they are planning to start a war there soon
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 No.466558

>>466556
>really?
yes, they tried to make it look like TSMC was just expanding its operations into the west, but they're unbolting the most advanced stuff from Taiwan and are shipping it to the US

<China War Risk Sees Taiwan’s TSMC Moving Fabs to US, Japan


<At first glance, Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Corp’s plan to build foundries in Japan and the US looks like just another routine business expansion.


<But dig deeper and it quickly becomes clear that these are not just more run-of-the-mill deals.


<Just exactly how TSMC and western nations navigate the away from production heavily concentrated in Taiwan is a delicate balancing act. If it is moved out too quickly or if too much pressure is applied on TSMC to create a supply chain that excludes China, Clifford warns it would cause “serious friction’’ with Beijing.


<TSMC broke ground on a $12 billion plant in the US in June last year and it’s scheduled to start producing 5-nanometer chips in 2024. It may add up to five additional fabs on the site


>Asked how likely it is that 3-nanometer chips will in future be produced in either the US or Japan, a TSMC spokesperson said, “TSMC does not rule out any future possibilities


Sauce
https://www.asiafinancial.com/china-risk-sees-taiwans-tsmc-moving-chip-fabs-overseas


<this the biggest red flag yet that they are planning to start a war there soon

You could certainly interpret this as the imperial bourgeoisie removing all the important stuff from Taiwan before they turn it into a war-zone.
The official line is less ominous, they state that their intent is to hedge their bets in case China cuts off access to Taiwan, securing supply lines so to speak.

It could be both.
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 No.466561

you can really see a big jump when the anti china propaganda machine was switched into high gear.
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 No.466572

File: 1677811945917.png ( 377.97 KB , 596x812 , 1677772037052430.png )

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 No.466822

US officials accuse China of "market distorting practices"

The astonishing aspect is that they can still say that without bursting into flames from intense hypocrisy, after unleashing all those market distorting sanctions over the last decade.

https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=BEqmQkKlcjo
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 No.467009

File: 1678470889982.jpg ( 105.41 KB , 931x931 , China Iran Saudis bilatera….jpg )

<Saudi Arabia and Iran agree to resume bilateral ties and reopen embassies after intense negotiations held in Beijing, China

the Middle-East is becoming West-Asia

I guess this is the consequence of the oil-price-cap, the Saudis really didn't like that one.
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 No.467010

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<China's legislature is set to approve an administrative overhaul this week that would put public security, financial regulation and technology – areas now handled by the state – under direct Communist Party control.
<Officials in the State Council, China's cabinet, presented a finance and technology reform proposal to the National People's Congress on Tuesday. It will be officially approved Friday.
<The proposed reforms will create a new Central Financial Work Commission taking over regulation of industries such as banking and insurance, along with some duties of the central bank. A new party-controlled commission will be formed to oversee technology development and education.

https://archive.ph/epf0d

China is turning up the socialism knob in response to the US turning up the big-power competition knob
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 No.467025

>>467010
>Socialism is when an unaccountable elite exerts an increasing amount of control over the lives of everyone
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 No.467029

>>467025
In effect they are regulating big-finance and big-tech.

Consider this:
Large private corporations are organizations that do not grant any influence on their decision making by the general public.
The communist party is a political organization that grants the general public at least some influence.

I think this represents a small net gain of agency for the masses.
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 No.467030

>>467029
Consider this:
So long as it doesn't have a monopoly, you can opt out of purchasing from a corporation, thereby influencing it. Likewise, laws and regulations can be passed, presumptively through electorial and representative means, thereby additionally influencing them.

Also
>The communist party is a political organization that grants the general public at least some influence.
Source: it just does, ok
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 No.467031

>>467029
Socialism is when regulations
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 No.467033

>>467030
>So long as it doesn't have a monopoly, you can opt out of purchasing from a corporation, thereby influencing it.
No this is not real influence, you can only choose from the options that corporations give you. Real influence is when you can influence what choices are being made available. See for example smartphones where the head-phone-jack, removable batteries and sd-card memory, has almost disappeared as an option. It was corporate bureaucracy that decided to remove these features against popular will.

<The communist party is a political organization that grants the general public at least some influence.

>Source: it just does, ok
Outside the comically shrill imperialist narrative of "autotarian totaloltarian rageemes" that can magically remote control a billion people by sheer willpower, it's well understood that all governments are subject to pressure from popular opinion.
Besides that the Chinese communist do practice a form of democratic consent seeking that they call "deliberative democracy"
I don't know how well deliberative democracy works, because it's almost impossible to find out objective information about China because there is so much noise from anti-china propaganda now.

>>467031
>Socialism is when regulations
not as an end-point, but as an intermediate step, it can be.
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 No.467190

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 No.467193

>>467190
Seems legit.
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 No.467199

>>467033
>as an intermediate step, it can be.
Point to a single example in history where a friendlier, regulated capitalism ever led to worker control over the means of production.
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 No.467200

>>467199
Point to a single example in history when anything led to a worker's control of the means of production.
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 No.467201

>>467199
China is not a capitalist country. The Chinese capitalists do not have a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie that puts them above the law. If the Chinese bourgeoisie would attempt to overthrow the Chinese state, they would be put against the wall, imprisoned or exiled.

So given the realities of political power in China, they do have a very good chance at genuinely regulating a private capitalist sector, until it fades away because the capitalist mode of production has been made irrelevant by changes in the material conditions. They aren't weak like social democratic governments in the past where material progress for the conditions of the workers could be reversed. Of course there still is some danger that China will have a regression too, that's always going to remain a possibility until the capitalist mode of production has been rendered non-viable by the motions of history.

It also depends on what is being regulated, the Chinese appear to be reasonably good at regulating the bourgeoisie rather than the behavior of the masses. Of course they do sometimes miss the mark. Recently youth video-game addiction became a problem in China and they put in a state-mandated time-limit for how long Chinese minors can play games. They should have banned the addictive interaction-loops that replicate casino gambling addiction instead.

To answer your question, how is China going to realize worker control over the means of production.
At the moment they aren't really doing that.
I saw someone explain it rather aptly like this:
<capitalism is violence and you can't blame the Chinese for using it as a tool to fight against capitalist imperialism.
It's a concession to material reality where they have to fight against an imperial power that wants to prevent them from developing. At the moment their principle goal is to navigate the decline of the US empire relatively unscathed.

The stuff from this post >>467010 that's a direct consequence of the US's high-tech embargo. The socialist ideological element is mainly that the intervention from the Communist party is to direct development towards what's most suited for advancing the productive forces rather then doing what's most profitable. In that particular area the Chinese communists are orthodox Marxists. Marx thought that socialism needed the most advanced productive forces and they do too. They think that one of the things that brought the Soviet Union down was that it wasn't able to out-tech the US during the cold-war.

If you are in the west you should push for worker control of the means of production because there is no big capitalist power that could existentially threaten the west, but you can't blame the Chinese socialist for making surviving against imperialism their priority.
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 No.467202

>>467201
Spoken like someone from Austin or Boulder.
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 No.467251

>>467201
>Chinese socialist
China is not socialist
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 No.467256

File: 1678937719246.mp4 ( 2.88 MB , 720x1280 , XHQYxe4wyqTXFv80.mp4 )

>Facial scanners to control the bike riding bourgeoise
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 No.467259

>>467201
>China is not a capitalist country.
Sure, if you define capitalism in a completely vague, self-serving, mealy-mouthed manner that renders it a functionally useless word. Of course in the real world capitalism is a mode of production where someone invests in materials, tools, land, etc. and worker wages in order to sell the resulting product for more value than they started with–China has all of that in spades.
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 No.467260

>>467256
that AI is awesome
they all look the same
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 No.467367

>>467256
Of course this is a daft idea, but consider that this is most likely a pilot project, where they are doing a trial run. Chinese politics is very experimentalist, they will try out just about everything and ruthlessly scrap the experiments that didn't work out.

It's not like in the west, where once something like this gets installed it's already decided and a done deal and it takes decades of political struggle or sustained vandalism to get rid of it again.
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 No.467368

>>467367
t. Burger without a passport
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 No.467370

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>>467202
>>467368
looks like baiting for personal information
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 No.467834

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China's super rich population drops

<More than 400 people lost their billionaire status last year, most from China, as global monetary tightening, Covid-19 disruptions and Beijing's crackdown on major tech companies hurt the super wealthy, a ranking of the world's wealthiest showed.


<China lost 229 billionaires from the Hurun Global Rich List 2023, accounting more than half of the 445 people who disappeared from the list, which ranks moguls with a minimum net worth of US$1 billion


https://www.todayonline.com/world/chinas-super-rich-population-drops-tech-crackdown-global-factors-hurt-wealth-2136156
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 No.467916

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 No.468194

Radhika Desai on China's modernization, democracy and China-U.S. relations

https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=022gEep6QJw
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 No.468401

What's going on in China with Carlos Martinez and the Leftlense

https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=RdeeeTdwVDw
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 No.468410

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Habbening
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 No.468412

>>468410
what would mainlanders inspect for? weapons? contraband?
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 No.468413

>>468410
No, it's not the happening yet. It's the dry run where the Chinese prove to the Americans that they have the capability to neutralize Taiwan-as-a-US-pawn with a blockade.
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 No.468414

>>468413
inspection is not a "blockade"
also the strait is not the only way Taiwan can be supplied
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 No.468415

>>468414
>inspection is not a "blockade"
Yes that's the hole point.
If they can do inspections they prove that they have the ability to blockade.
This materially proves that they can do it without actually doing it, they can establish deterrence without causing Taiwanese people any actual economic harm.

>also the strait is not the only way Taiwan can be supplied

if the Chinese can close the strait the neocon war-plans for Taiwan are negated.
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 No.468417

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https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2023/04/07/701128/Riyadh-to-end-Yemen-war-reports

China brokered ceasefire between Yemen and the Saudis has gone into effect.

This might be the end of the Yemen War.
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 No.468419

>>468415
>if the Chinese can close the strait the neocon war-plans for Taiwan are negated.
Why would they close it? It's their main supply route to sell their shit.
Or did I miss when the Belt and Road was completed?
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 No.468422

>>468419
good grief, of course they wouldn't blockade their own ships.
They'd only cock-block the neocons from making their Taiwan-war happening.
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 No.468424

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>>468422
>of course they wouldn't blockade their own ships.
ok

that makes sense
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 No.468725

Berletic thinks that the US might push for a Taiwan-war this year

https://invidious.sethforprivacy.com/watch?v=zgD9fHW-46U
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 No.468746

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Chinese FM tells Israeli, PA counterparts Beijing’s ready to facilitate peace talks

<BEIJING — China’s foreign minister told his Israeli and Palestinian counterparts that his country is ready to help facilitate peace talks, state media Xinhua reported Tuesday.

<The separate phone calls between Foreign Minister Qin Gang and the top diplomats of Israel and the Palestinian Authority came amid recent moves by Beijing to position itself as a regional mediator.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/chinese-fm-tells-israeli-pa-counterparts-beijings-ready-to-facilitate-peace-talks/

This is the big one. If they pull this off …
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 No.469075

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Jack Ma, the billionaire co-founder of Alibaba who disappeared from public life in 2020, has taken up a teaching role in Japan

<The tech titan, once China's richest man, will also "share his rich experience and pioneering knowledge on entrepreneurship, corporate management and innovation" in seminars at the college, which is run by the University of Tokyo.


https://vuink.com/post/ohfvarffvafvqre-d-day/jack-ma-the-billionaire-co-founder-of-alibaba-who-disappeared-from-public-life-in-2020-has-taken-up-a-teaching-role-in-japan

The last time there were rumors about China nationalizing Alibaba, was in 2021, i wonder whether that's back on the menu, now that Jack Ma has fucked off to Japan ?
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 No.469742

How China’s Rise Has the Middle East Declaring Independence from US

https://invidious.baczek.me/watch?v=m4fj6Chyz18
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 No.469760

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China sets sights on crewed lunar landing before 2030
https://spacenews.com/china-sets-sights-on-crewed-lunar-landing-before-2030/

burgerbros….. its over
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 No.469761

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>>469760
Maybe the new cold war can be channeled into a new space race. Instead of blowing up a bunch of countries.
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 No.469762

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>>469761
Yeah about that…
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 No.469763

>>462883
People who think china is going to over take the US economy are so high on copium it's unreal.
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 No.469765

>>469763
In material terms China has about triple the productive capacity of the US. So postulating that China will economically overtake the US in the future is indeed copium, because it already happened.
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 No.469774

>>469760
Xi please tell me are there any footsteps on the moon or not?
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 No.469776

>>469763
yeah I'm sure burger elites are freaking out not because china is getting into high value added markets, but because it's all a spectacle to take away our guns or something

china won't be the savior of the proletariat that dengoids claim it is, but chinese elites look like the most sane from the bunch

it's a general rule of thumb that if you were not educated in the marxist critical tradition to some degree - you grow up to be a political idiot that gets genuinely surprised when a leninist party structure doesn't automatically crumble in the face of "superior" parliamentarism
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 No.469778

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>>469776
Forgot to add - you also grow to be an idiot that genuinely thinks capitalism can into industrial warfare. Which is another proof of the sheer failure of the leninoids that modern russkie elites were educated in the soviet union.

Those absolute mouth breating retardoids genuinely thought they could blitzkrieg Ukraine! My fucking sides!
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 No.469779

>>469774
The US went to the moon alright, the Soviets confirmed it.
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 No.469780

>>469776
>yeah I'm sure burger elites are freaking out not because china is getting into high value added markets, but because it's all a spectacle
The US has a decent technical base, an advantageous geographic position, with lots of resources, that is easy to defend and a large population. The US could rebuild it's industrial power. Why aren't they doing it ? Has the US ruling class lost the capacity to run industries ?

>china won't be the savior of the proletariat that dengoids claim it is, but chinese elites look like the most sane from the bunch

When Dengism was introduced everybody thought that the Chinese system would get eroded by neo-liberalism the same way that social democracy was. However it didn't, Dengism turned into Xiism and the neo-libs who wanted to sell out the Chinese state got btfoed. The devellopment of the productive forces continued and the capitalist class wasn't allowed to take political power, the Deng bros kept their word, it wasn't pretty but it worked.

I get the impression that what the Chinese are doing is letting capitalism operate as long as it's improving the productive forces, stays away from political power, socializing losses or interfering with social developmental goals. In the long run that means that every time capitalism produces a crisis a small part of it gets trimmed away for crossing one of these lines. Eventually all parts of capitalism will fall to the wayside because they became a hindrance for the development of the productive forces and in the long run it will give way to a socialist system.

>it's a general rule of thumb that if you were not educated in the marxist critical tradition to some degree - you grow up to be a political idiot that gets genuinely surprised when a leninist party structure doesn't automatically crumble in the face of "superior" parliamentarism

This is true but i kinda have to admit that i don't really understand why the Soviet ML structure broke and while the Chinese one remained solid. The only significant structural difference was the Chinese party was more involved with the military than the Soviet One. On a local and regional level the Chinese political system has a very high degree of democracy, maybe that's a factor too.
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 No.469781

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>>469780
>The US could rebuild it's industrial power. Why aren't they doing it ? Has the US ruling class lost the capacity to run industries ?
For the same reason industry left in the first place: industrial capital became so unprofitable that capitalists would rather invest in financial instruments or move overseas where they can pay labor a fraction of the wages demanded in the US. You're not going to get any sort of re-industrialization from the capitalists, they don't have any interest in doing so. Re-industrialization will only come from socialist enterprises or a centralized socialist government.
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 No.469782

>>469780
>On a local and regional level the Chinese political system has a very high degree of democracy
Is this a joke? They have the same old oligarchic "representative" bullshit that created so many corrupt opportunistic bureaucrats in the Soviet Union. Elections are not democracy.
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 No.469783

>>469781
>Re-industrialization will only come from socialist enterprises or a centralized socialist government.
I think you might be right about that. However financial capital requires bail-outs to keep existing, so they might as well go for industry.

>>469782
I was talking about the deliberative democracy part what they call xieshang minzhu. People genuinely seem to have considerable democratic influence on what local and regional governments do. It's difficult to find information about that because if you search it online it's hard to get past the ruling ideology noise.

By the way the Soviet union had a leadership democracy, not parliamentarian-ism. China probably can't be counted as parliamentarian either, because in China it's not possible to get elected into a higher political position without having gone through all the lower ranks first. I'm not sure about the political effects, although if politicians have to rise through the political machinery, they will get more institutional experience and it's probably also a corruption filter where corrupt people get filtered out at lower levels more often.
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 No.469785

>>469780
>The US could rebuild it's industrial power.
Of course they could retard. The question is "why should they?". What's in it for elites?

As you apparently can't read, I will repeat myself - burger elites started to freak out only when chinese started to compete in the high value added markets.

>Why aren't they doing it ? Has the US ruling class lost the capacity to run industries ?

Why aren't they doing what? Why should elites care about industry when they control high value added markets?
They started to move onshore only after they saw that chinese are set in their ways and wouldn't budge.

>the capitalist class wasn't allowed to take political power

dengoid retardation
it insults my intelligence that you thought your tired mantras would work on me

capitalist elites are the ruling class in china, they just have a different political superstructure that I think makes their politicians more in touch with reality

>I get the impression that what the Chinese are doing is letting capitalism operate as long as it's improving the productive forces, stays away from political power, socializing losses or interfering with social developmental goals. In the long run that means that every time capitalism produces a crisis a small part of it gets trimmed away for crossing one of these lines. Eventually all parts of capitalism will fall to the wayside because they became a hindrance for the development of the productive forces and in the long run it will give way to a socialist system.

dengoid bedtime stories for children

very-very lazy work, you need to try harder lol

>This is true but i kinda have to admit that i don't really understand why the Soviet ML structure broke and while the Chinese one remained solid.

Soviet Union was mainly an industrial society, while China was still mainly agrarian.

Crisis of the soviet leninoid political superstructure with its elites was a crisis of the urbanized industrial society. While Chinese leninoid elites switched to capitalism before PRC could approach this point. And it looks like leninoid political superstructure is actually a pretty efficient tool for managing the capitalist society and resolving conflicts within the capitalist class.
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 No.469786

>>469785
Industrial power is an important part of the means of production, it's the "king-maker". The power to shape matter at gigantic scales.

Industrial power made the US into the world hegemon after ww2, it's what made the Soviet Union able to smash fascism. Russian industrial power is the reason why the sanctions-war doesn't work against them. The large Chinese industrial base is what has lifted them into a position where they can say "NO" to the US.

The neo-liberal move towards de-industrialization is why the west is declining.

>capitalist elites are the ruling class in china

There's no way a bunch of billionaires could tell the politburo or the general secretary what to do. The Chinese bourgeoisie is not in control.

>Soviet Union was mainly an industrial society, while China was still mainly agrarian.

No China definitely is a industrial society, you can make the case that there are still some people doing subsistence farming but it's not the primary mode of production. Maybe you could have said this 30 years ago, and it would have been less wrong.

>While Chinese leninist switched to capitalism

>it looks like leninist political superstructure is actually a pretty efficient tool for managing the capitalist society
You could say that the PRC did a super extended and expanded version of the NEP, but it's not a capitalist country, they do not have a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie. The reason why they are able to manage capitalist contradictions is because they hold the Chinese capitalists at gun point.
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 No.469849

The Chinese navy can afford to ram the US navy in the Strait of Taiwan because their naval repair yards are very close by, while US naval vessels have to sail a very long distance if they need serious repairs.

https://invidious.baczek.me/watch?v=_qPvTDxy1F0
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 No.472060

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Party penetration deepens in China’s private sector

<The increased penetration of the private sector by the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) is causing widespread concern.


<The establishment of party branches within private companies is perceived as a potential lever of control, alongside financial and regulatory tools, that the government could wield to keep businesses in line. But while the increasing centrality of the CCP in state-owned enterprises (SOEs) is evident, its role in private companies remains less obvious.


https://asiatimes.com/2023/08/party-penetration-deepens-in-chinas-private-sector/

So are there any Marxists analyzing what this does ?
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 No.472066

>>469786
Tfw has never been to China
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 No.472684

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 No.472782

so i want to ask, do this thread cycle like the prc thread in leftypol.org or no ?. i want to archive things
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 No.472784

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>>472782
no this thread doesn't appear to cycle, because it doesn't have the cyclical-symbol.
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 No.472814

>>472784
oh. ok
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 No.473070

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So China released it's first smartphone where all the silicon is homegrown. Apparently they're now able to do 7nm mass-production. People consider it a competitive offering.

Anyway the anti-tech sanctions against China seem to have made China more technology independent.

I wonder if China can make it's own high-tech now, whether that means that the IP/patent shit will become less profitable, which would lower the influence on politics and make the laws less suffocating for tech development.
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 No.473074

>>473070
Can't wait for a serious OpenRISC chip from China to finally tell Intel and AMD to fuck off forever.
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 No.473082

>>473074
Open cpu architectures will be great. I think that when stuff like OpenRisk and RiskV take off that Intel and Amd will also release chips in that category, probably hybrid designs that also contain their powerfull x86 cores.

But you are right a Chinese competitor will break into the big chip duopoly. I wonder what a Chinese desktop class cpu will look like. Assuming it gets derived from smartphones SOCs it might have a pretty radical design.

I think the memory interface is due for a shake up. Processors are getting powerfull integrated graphics and machine-learning accelerator units. With that it makes sense to put a few gigs of really fast d-ram into the processor package, and optimize the normal system memory towards size. The bleeding edge of RAM is scratching at the limitations of signal pulses in wires. So either RAM will split up into onchip fast-ram plus on-mainboard bulk-ram, like i said above, or it's time to upgrade to fiber-optic data-lanes.

It will certainly be interesting to see how this plays out, if China enters the race as well, things might start moving. Also there's hoping that free and open hardware gets a boost out of this as well.
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 No.474442

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So BackRock executives in China now have to study Xi Jinping thought. They have to dedicate a 3rd of their work-time to it.

I think this is funny, because usually the big porkies fund a bunch of think-tanks who try to do ideological indoctrination of the hole population. And now they're getting a taste of their own medicine.

But i still would like to know what Blackrock execs did to invoke this reaction.
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 No.474925

China Vows Anti-Corruption Crackdown on Financial Sector

<The pledge comes amid Chinese president Xi Jinping’s increased focus on national security risks within the party, government, and large industries


<China’s top decision-making body has pledged to increase its efforts to crack down on corruption in the financial sector and in public firms, according to a report by Chinese state media Xinhua.


<“(We) need to…promote those who do not dare to, cannot and do not want to (engage in) in corruption,” officials said in the meeting chaired by Chinese President Xi Jinping, according to a Xinhua readout.


https://www.asiafinancial.com/china-vows-anti-corruption-crackdown-on-financial-sector

China is doing an anti-corruption purge in it's finance sector, does anybody know what is going on ?
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 No.476379

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 No.476406

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>>476379
yes, based fucking racism with communist characteristics

go cry about muh japanese, ching-chong

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 No.476408

>>476406
>yes, based fucking racism with communist characteristics
I could be mistaken but the Chinese appear to be re-using historic insults that UK diplomats used against Indian dignitaries during India's anti-colonial independence struggle. This probably is a wink wink nudge nudge towards India.
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 No.476410

>>476408
yes dengeneroid, UK diplomats totally used "a symbol of British extinction" as an insult against Indians lol

it totally isn't a typical rightoid screeching about muh immigrants lol
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 No.476411

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动态网自由门 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Free Tibet 六四天安門事件 The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 天安門大屠殺 The Tiananmen Square Massacre 反右派鬥爭 The Anti-Rightist Struggle 大躍進政策 The Great Leap Forward 文化大革命 The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution 人權 Human Rights 民運 Democratization 自由 Freedom 獨立 Independence 多黨制 Multi-party system 台灣 臺灣 Taiwan Formosa 中華民國 Republic of China 西藏 土伯特 唐古特 Tibet 達賴喇嘛 Dalai Lama 法輪功 Falun Dafa 新疆維吾爾自治區 The Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region 諾貝爾和平獎 Nobel Peace Prize 劉暁波 Liu Xiaobo 民主 言論 思想 反共 反革命 抗議 運動 騷亂 暴亂 騷擾 擾亂 抗暴 平反 維權 示威游行 李洪志 法輪大法 大法弟子 強制斷種 強制堕胎 民族淨化 人體實驗 肅清 胡耀邦 趙紫陽 魏京生 王丹 還政於民 和平演變 激流中國 北京之春 大紀元時報 九評論共産黨 獨裁 專制 壓制 統一 監視 鎮壓 迫害 侵略 掠奪 破壞 拷問 屠殺 活摘器官 誘拐 買賣人口 遊進 走私 毒品 賣淫 春畫 賭博 六合彩 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Winnie the Pooh 劉曉波动态网自由门
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 No.476412

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>During the Cultural Revolution, he and his family were targeted by Red Guards, who imprisoned Deng's eldest son, Deng Pufang. Deng Pufang was tortured and jumped out, or was thrown out, of the window of a four-story building in 1968, becoming a paraplegic. In October 1969 Deng Xiaoping was sent to the Xinjian County Tractor Factory in rural Jiangxi province to work as a regular worker.[49]: 466  In his four years there,[50] Deng spent his spare time writing. He was purged nationally, but to a lesser scale than President Liu Shaoqi.
Based Red Guards lol.
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 No.476413

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>In May 1966, the Cultural Revolution cut short Xi's secondary education when all secondary classes were halted for students to criticise and fight their teachers. Student militants ransacked the Xi family home and one of Xi's sisters, Xi Heping, committed suicide from the pressure.
>Later, his mother was forced to publicly denounce his father, as he was paraded before a crowd as an enemy of the revolution. His father was later imprisoned in 1968 when Xi was aged 15. Without the protection of his father, Xi was sent to work in Liangjiahe Village, Wen'anyi, Yanchuan County, Yan'an, Shaanxi, in 1969 in Mao Zedong's Down to the Countryside Movement.[14] He worked as the party secretary of Liangjiahe, where he lived in a cave house.[15] According to people who knew him, this experience led him to feel affinity with the rural poor.[16] After a few months, unable to stand rural life, he ran away to Beijing. He was arrested during a crackdown on deserters from the countryside and sent to a work camp to dig ditches, but he later returned to the village. He then spent a total of seven years there.[17][18]
<unable to stand rural life, he ran away to Beijing
what a fucking little bitch kek

man, I fucking LOVE cultural revolution. It's even better than Stalin's Great Purge, because it was done in the open. It's my favorite part when revolution backfires on everyone kek.
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 No.476414

>>476411
why are you spamming this text block with the Chinese letters over and over ?
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 No.476415

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>>476414
动态网自由门 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Free Tibet 六四天安門事件 The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 天安門大屠殺 The Tiananmen Square Massacre 反右派鬥爭 The Anti-Rightist Struggle 大躍進政策 The Great Leap Forward 文化大革命 The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution 人權 Human Rights 民運 Democratization 自由 Freedom 獨立 Independence 多黨制 Multi-party system 台灣 臺灣 Taiwan Formosa 中華民國 Republic of China 西藏 土伯特 唐古特 Tibet 達賴喇嘛 Dalai Lama 法輪功 Falun Dafa 新疆維吾爾自治區 The Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region 諾貝爾和平獎 Nobel Peace Prize 劉暁波 Liu Xiaobo 民主 言論 思想 反共 反革命 抗議 運動 騷亂 暴亂 騷擾 擾亂 抗暴 平反 維權 示威游行 李洪志 法輪大法 大法弟子 強制斷種 強制堕胎 民族淨化 人體實驗 肅清 胡耀邦 趙紫陽 魏京生 王丹 還政於民 和平演變 激流中國 北京之春 大紀元時報 九評論共産黨 獨裁 專制 壓制 統一 監視 鎮壓 迫害 侵略 掠奪 破壞 拷問 屠殺 活摘器官 誘拐 買賣人口 遊進 走私 毒品 賣淫 春畫 賭博 六合彩 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Winnie the Pooh 劉曉波动态网自由门
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 No.476416

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>>476415
Funny guy, what's it for ?
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 No.476417

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>>476416
动态网自由门 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Free Tibet 六四天安門事件 The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 天安門大屠殺 The Tiananmen Square Massacre 反右派鬥爭 The Anti-Rightist Struggle 大躍進政策 The Great Leap Forward 文化大革命 The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution 人權 Human Rights 民運 Democratization 自由 Freedom 獨立 Independence 多黨制 Multi-party system 台灣 臺灣 Taiwan Formosa 中華民國 Republic of China 西藏 土伯特 唐古特 Tibet 達賴喇嘛 Dalai Lama 法輪功 Falun Dafa 新疆維吾爾自治區 The Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region 諾貝爾和平獎 Nobel Peace Prize 劉暁波 Liu Xiaobo 民主 言論 思想 反共 反革命 抗議 運動 騷亂 暴亂 騷擾 擾亂 抗暴 平反 維權 示威游行 李洪志 法輪大法 大法弟子 強制斷種 強制堕胎 民族淨化 人體實驗 肅清 胡耀邦 趙紫陽 魏京生 王丹 還政於民 和平演變 激流中國 北京之春 大紀元時報 九評論共産黨 獨裁 專制 壓制 統一 監視 鎮壓 迫害 侵略 掠奪 破壞 拷問 屠殺 活摘器官 誘拐 買賣人口 遊進 走私 毒品 賣淫 春畫 賭博 六合彩 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Winnie the Pooh 劉曉波动态网自由门
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 No.476423

File: 1698294275520.mp4 ( 2.3 MB , 872x720 , shanghai.mp4 )

>>476417
cope uyghur
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 No.476794

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Ever since the "spy Balloon affair" that turned out to be a weather balloon. China gave the US diplomatic-wing the cold shoulder and refused meetings between Xi and Biden.

After begging for many months, the Chinese finally agreed to warm up a little and XI visited the US.

Guess what Biden did, he called Xi a dictator again, flushing all that hard work of US diplomats down the drain.
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 No.476795

>>476794
It's incredibly obvious that Biden is not in control of his mental faculties at this point. The question is, will his repeat failures to stay on script finally make his handlers decide that they've had enough? And if one branch of government is too chickenshit to remove him from office over health issues, where does that leave the other branches of government that have to answer to a president who isn't there? It seems to me there's some potential for a coup.
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 No.476796

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>>476795
Hasn't every president been senile tho? I don't quite get what makes biden's case stand out other than it being fresh in memory.
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 No.476797

>>476795
The rumor I hear is that they're waiting until after primaries to engineer an "accident" or a resignation, so the party can assert whomever they want and say "emergency". A primary contest would only weaken Biden, and also it is generally accepted that the incumbent will run for a second term. Usually the sitting party's disapproval of the incumbent would mean they get wrecked in the general. It's also well known that the discontent is not with Biden the man, but with the Democrats as a party and the entire ruling appratus. Switching Biden for a cardboard cut-out would not only not change their fate but probably makes it worse. They will need to engineer a lot more crisis to push who they want.

The real coup isn't happening because of Biden or Trump or the spectacle. There are much larger machines at work which do not want the US to continue in the recognizable form, and it was just a matter of clearing out the last generation that had a memory of the old country as anything that worked or was worth defending. If anyone wanted to salvage the country, Trump would have been removed or not allowed to run in the first place, and nothing about him would have been encouraged or tolerated. It was clear when Trump was impeached that by failing to remove him, the country was already done. All that remains is to make it official, and enough crisis has been generated to bring that about. The crisis will be worse in the next year, and at the end - at the critical happening - there will be a play to dissolve the country, or effectively do so in a way that will be obvious to anyone who still cares. As it is, Biden is like keeping the seat empty, and the open disdain for him is indicative of what the ruling power in this country wants to do.
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 No.476798

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Why don't Chinese leaders just come out with a press release in English already stating outright that the US president is demented? It's not like they have anything to lose at this point. It could potentially produce so much domestic pressure that they would have to get rid of Biden.
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 No.476799

I don't think Biden is truly "senile" in the sense that he doesn't know anything that is happening, or even is as clueless as Reagan who was nothing but a puppet of rot and death. He's not good at politics and he never had any loyalists fighting for him, but he's not so out of touch that he doesn't know what this is and how fucked he is. You could put the most competent and intelligent and sane human being in his position and they wouldn't fare any better, and you can tell that essentializing the eugenic qualities of politicians is part of this operation. It's not about anything they actually do or the obligations of the office, but about appearances and performances. Trump was 100% performative politics, and the one time he was asked to make actual decisions, he cowered like the sniveling retard he is and his supplicants are. Obama made his whole "thing" an appeal to technocratic elites governing things behind the curtain, and did everything he could to emphasize that power had moved away from the office. This is not easy, and Obama did have to do actual work to sell this, which was not something any cardboard cut-out could do, but Obama was unusual in that he didn't drone on about his legacy or the typical markers of distinction Presidents sought. Everything he did emphasized the power behind the curtain, and the role the President would play to facilitate that power over everything else. His function very clearly was to mollify the angry mob and be the cypher that would allow everyone to see what they wanted to see, and he was able to stage-manage the crisis of 2008 where the men behind the curtain couldn't. They need a leader to channel rage and divert it to useless objectives, and Obama made it one of his "things" to trigger his opponents and needle them in every way possible.

The mere existence of sniveling retarded failure that was Trump should make it clear none of this shit is real. I don't see Biden being able to do much or even making particularly bad decisions. After COVID it was clear this country was no longer governed in any democratic way that was presumed to work. The very idea of democracy is alien to the younger generations' mindset. There is no going against what has been set in motion, and I doubt it could have happened without Trump encouraging autocannibalism. Everything since 2000 has been managed to lead to preplanned outcomes, whether the people agree with any of it or not. All that matters is the loyalty of key officers who are conscious of their hatred for the people above all else.
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 No.476800

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 No.476801

>>476798
If I'm Xi I would think Biden is the best deal in a long time. He has no choice but to be submissive to the interests Xi cares about, and everything Biden does signals a willingness to repair the relationship with China at any price. The CCP said Trump was the retard he is time and time again, and told their own people that this is what democracy creates and why it's a bad idea. So, as far as their press releases care, they've already gone on the record saying America is fucked up and the nominal rulers are safe to ignore. It would be better for them to let the Americans continue to turn on themselves than make some bold call for revolution in the US.
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 No.476802

>>476800
You're a fag.
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 No.476803

>>476798
because it's in their interests to have the US political machine ran by the feeble minded and demented. They don't want someone competent in office, unless they can influence/control them
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 No.476807

>>476795
>It's incredibly obvious that Biden is not in control of his mental faculties at this point.
It seems like he's phasing in and out, sometimes he seems lucid while other times he seems lost
>The question is, will his repeat failures to stay on script finally make his handlers decide that they've had enough?
Judging by Blinken's exasperated face yeah they seem to be royally fed up.
>remove him from office over health issues
That is not easy to do, because all the people within the political structure don't want the precedent, they don't want their rivals being able to scratch at their position by accusing them of having health issues.
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 No.476808

>>476798
>Why don't Chinese leaders just come out with a press release in English already stating outright that the US president is demented?
They did that once, sort off. In 2019 during the World Economic Forum in Davos, the infamous hedge-fund manager George Soros called China a “mortal threat to open societies” and singled out XI Jinpin as “the most dangerous enemy”. And the Chinese state-media replied by basically calling Soros a demented old man.

But i don't think that they will do that to public state officials, at least not in a press release.
China probably does not want to interfere in US internal politics.
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 No.476822

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodrow_Wilson#Health_collapses

There's been much worse than Biden's appearance of incompetence. After Trump though, no one can make a claim that the President is there to do a job. He's purely a performance artist now.
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 No.476931

At this rate this guy is going to have to prostrate himself before Jinping if there's ever to be any hope of restoring China-US diplomatic relations.
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 No.476937

>>476931
I would say that diplomatic tone/tact is important. Biden seriously screwed up, however it's not because he insulted Xi's pride by using the wrong political title or anything like that.

It's because the Chinese probably interpret it as a threat. They don't care what Biden or anybody else in Washington thinks about them. What they do, is correlate rhetoric and action. The track-record shows that if a US president calls the leader of another country a dictator, that is frequently accompanied by actions to attempt to overthrow said government either with covert warfare tactics (like the CIA doing a color revolution), proxy warfare or a direct invasion.

The Chinese probably do take into account that Biden has declined mentally and is having unscheduled unintended political outbursts. However if the US political machinery lets Biden yell 'dictator' often enough, eventually the Chinese will take this as institutional consent and then it'll have real consequences for China-US relations.

All that said what the Chinese want most is for the US to quit meddling with Taiwan, and to quit fucking with international trade. If they did that, those actions would speak louder than anything else.
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 No.476972

>>476937
I doubt the CCP expects anything else from Biden - the liberals will always say the dictator line in PR roles that Biden and that poor lesbian woman do, but privately and in enough hints, there are bigwigs that openly dismiss such rhetoric. Blinken's reaction is indicative of the relationship, and from the start, the Biden administration signals weakness and a willingness to work with Xi. Part of that is American leadership "losing face" by appearing out of touch. Blinken took his lumps early and let himself be knocked down by some Chinese diplomat guy, or he came in thinking he could talk to seasoned civil service guys with the middle school principal voice. I doubt he actually believed that was intimidating or pandering - it was a display of deliberate arrogance with the intent of him being shot down and humiliated to the global public. Outside of the game of public impressions, none of these people care about any of that. They know the US isn't going to do shit to China.
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 No.476973

Bloomberg spoke in one talking head show and said point blank that Xi has to please constituents, after the news woman said "b-b-but dictator". Considering Bloomberg owns a shit ton of American mayors, his word is indicative of what goes in this country.
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 No.476974

>>476972
Rings true enough, but the CPC is not taking any chances by assuming there won't be a Sino-US war. They have the "century of humiliation" on their minds, and they're making sure they're prepared for all continuities.

>>476973
You're talking about this ?
https://farside.link/invidious/watch?v=TOu-2mulMog
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 No.477013

>>476974
Yeah, that's the clip. The talking heads are made to say the lies so that the "wise men" can lecture them about bits of the truth, i.e. common sense. The ordinary people are never to say the truth - they must follow. It's all scripted - she knows fully she's paid to lie in that particular way, even though nobody believes her or even gives a shit what happens in China. You're supposed to terminate your thought at "dictator", while the neoliberal rulers promote ultraviolent and showy images, calling their officers for show "Czars" and talking a bunch of shit about how stronk they are. Bill Clinton did this a lot to show how he wasn't the old type of liberal that was often associated with Democrats (not that this image of the soft liberal Democrat was ever what they were - they were just relatively sane when they were ordoliberals, which screaming Germanics interpret as an appearance of weakness since you're supposed to bellyfeel when triggered and scream like a retard).
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 No.477014

Obama was a master of this style of ruling by crisis and being the singular voice allowed to have all the correct ideas - literally the first true "cult of personality" that was manufactured, after trying to sell the idea that Hitler, Stalin, and Mao did this for doing basic things like "ruling" and "making speeches". Translate most of the clips of Hitler's speeches and they're basically things like "Germany rocks". That whole thing where they show you Hitler speaking untranslated German was a hint to the Krautoids that they're going to win and be vindicated.
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 No.477015

Actually think about how someone becomes a dictator and how much work that is. I see so many of these suits fuming that they know they could never do what Saddam did. They wouldn't last a day in that position.
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 No.477021

>>476974
God I fucking despise what PBS has turned into. Gone are the Bill Moyers or even the Tavis Smileys; now they have the same well-groomed shitheads that you'd find at CNN.
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 No.477024

>>477014
Obama frequently resorted to social proof and the unity principle to sell his policies and attack his enemies
>'thats not who we are'
Sort of rhetorical

Very effective with women and low t beta males
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 No.477025

>>477021
That was kind of what Moyers was behind the mask. Back then they maintained human face and acted as if there was still a public to broadcast to.
Obama was the breaking point, and then made it clear that Americans would be bombarded with propaganda as if they were an enemy population to be subdued. He made quasi-official what had always been implied by the ruling interests of this country. He continued to press for that as much as he could, and after leaving office still shows his face to sell that. Guy really hated Americans and encouraged others to do likewise.

With corpo media they masked off earlier, were more shameless and insulting towards the people. Someone watching PBS was probably looking for something that wasn't pure enabling rot, so they had a more pleasant mask. Even then, if you go back to the 1980s, formal news broadcasts were then about like those you'd find on PBS News. There was a decorum once expected about presenting journalism, because people only tolerate so much rot in the open. The vanguard worked to make Americans more and more evil since the 1990s, but with so many of these liberals, they were inside much worse than the screamingest Reaganite fags, which is saying a lot.
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 No.478342

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According to this chart, China's productive forces are as strong as the rest of the world's combined.

From this article: https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2024/01/31/china-world-manufacturing-superpower-production/
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 No.478343

>>478342
>According to this chart, China's productive forces are as strong as the rest of the world's combined.
Somebody explain to me why the neocons are trying to challenge that behemoth to a fight ?
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 No.478611

>>462019
The propaganda is just the same as in the US.
>omicron isn't as serious no frfr
>we've got vaccines now yeah even though they don't stop infection they still prevent SeRiOuS CoMpLiCaTiOnS
>muh social costs of stopping a fucking plague

Disgusting
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 No.478612

>>478343
Because the alternative is capitulation.
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 No.478614

>>478612
why not go for coexistence ?
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 No.478637

>>478614
If we were dealing with two rational actors, that might be an option, but the US doesn't have the capacity to deal with that sort of development. It goes against its basic ideology, it doesn't have the intellectual ability to imagine that sort of world, and it doesn't have the institutional competence to handle it.
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 No.478640

>>478637
>it doesn't have the intellectual ability to imagine that sort of world
the people who can imagine coexistence aren't in power, but they do exist.
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 No.478644

>>478614
>why not go for coexistence ?
Because america's relationship with the world is based on exploitation.

All of america's power comes from their control of the dollar, and they can print as many dollars as they want. It's like going into a grocery store, loading up on stuff and then giving the cashier an IOU on the way out. Then you go home and write $1000 on a scrap of paper and mail it to the store. The rest of the world puts up with it because 10,000 nukes and the largest military in history says they have to put up with it.

Putin alluded to this in the Tucker interview. Once enough countries stand up and say, actually we're sick of your fake money bullshit and start trading with each other without dollars then that's the end. Because america doesn't really have that much of real value to trade with the world.

And china is the number one threat because they could have enough clout to say fuck america's monopoly money, everyone has to start using my monopoly money now instead. That's america's worst nightmare.
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 No.478648

>>478644
>Because america's relationship with the world is based on exploitation.
>america doesn't really have that much of real value to trade with the world.
This is true for the US imperial ruling class, but not the American masses.

>Once enough countries stand up and say, actually we're sick of your fake money bullshit and start trading with each other without dollars then that's the end.

The end for the US empire for sure, but not the US as a country, US-empire is also a drain on America the country.

>And china is the number one threat because they could have enough clout to say fuck america's monopoly money, everyone has to start using my monopoly money now instead.

The Chinese show zero will to follow in the US's footsteps to become the new hegemon and build tons of military bases. The international finance thing they're working on with the other BRICS countries, with a inter-state-trade currency based on a basket of goods, that seems rather benign. At least i can't see how that would allow china to print money at the expense of other countries.
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 No.478669

>>478648
The rulers of the US hate America more than anyone. Their interests can easily move to another country. No one is actually convinced the abstraction and legal contract is power itself. The empire rules because it commands a gigantic fucking army and chokes the world, and this is not limited to its military forces but to this worldwide network of spies, police, and agentur who will fight to the bitter end for what they really believe in. Any time someone acknowledges the nature of this, it is immediately derailed or mollified, so that the cycle may continue unimpeded. They like seeing the plebs believe the money symbol is made of magic, not getting that Russia and China - especially China - run the same sort of scam, and are partners of this imperial system rather than rival metropoles. America hasn't been the center of anything for a long time, and in many ways America was never the center. It was always a harvesting ground and ritual sacrifice dumping spot for the dregs of Europe and slaves they acquired. Because the Europe-center Empire ran itself into the ground because they're fucking Satanic retards beyond the norm for the human race, America took on a role that it was ill-suited for. The Americas collectively can never compete with the Old World - the Old World is far bigger, more populous, and has nearly everything of genuine worth as far as technology and manpower. America has lots of natural resources, which it declines to exploit for perfectly understandable reasons, and that's basically it. The rulers of America have nothing but contempt for those they rule over, and always talk up Europe and every foreign power. There is nothing they hate more than Americans.
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 No.478671

>>478669
>The rulers of the US hate America more than anyone.
It is common that ruling classes develop pathological hatred towards those they subjugate. Tho i have seen some neocons complain that Americans being especially unwilling to give up liberties was interference to their securityzation plans. That might actually qualify as anti-Americanism that goes beyond the usual ruling class hatred.

>The empire rules because it commands a gigantic fucking army and chokes the world, and this is not limited to its military forces but to this worldwide network of spies, police, and agentur who will fight to the bitter end for what they really believe in.

So all hard-power and no soft-power ?

>especially China - run the same sort of scam, and are partners of this imperial system rather than rival metropoles.

I find that hard to believe. If China is a imperial partner rather than a anti-imperial rival, why all the antagonistic foreign policy ? The military encirclement, technology embargoes, funding of political destabilization, relentless media demonization and so on.
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 No.478691

>>478671
It's not the ordinary hatred of despotism. That's universal to every state, regardless of how it is constituted, and it is something all ruling groups believe in. Whatever their thoughts regarding the ruled, ultimately rulers lord over the things they have, and that is what they must draw upon to have slaves and armies and anything useful. The rulers of America really, REALLY hate Americans, can't stop talking about openly demociding them at the first opportunity and replacing them with foreign slaves. It's a contempt most countries could not get away with. Usually the truly nasty despots just don't care about the people they lord over and would sell them for a kilo of cocaine a head. America's rulers truly hate Americans in their essence, in anything Americans ever wanted. They hate most of all the people who were dragged here in chains or who were here long before the white man came - why, I don't know, but they are seriously triggered by nigras and I never understood that level of pathological insanity. There was not any benefit to it, and the most fervent racists weren't the Southrons believe it or not, but the progreessives who wanted an outright Final Solution to the "Negro Question" and never gave that up. What black Americans did except exist to warrant that kind of visceral disgust, I really do not know, but it's a religion with true believers who are let in on the eugenic creed, and it's not even really about race or history. It's about testing loyalty to eugenics when they declare an enemy. Only in America can the racist vanguard be so shameful and stupid that they're too chickenshit to say nigra on television, and rely on this not-so-clever wordplay to mask their filth. The only people who were equally shameful were the Krauts during the Nazi period, and guess what interests propped up the Nazis in a classic pump and dump scheme.
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 No.478694

>>478671
The idea that there is a distinction between "hard power" and "soft power" misunderstands what rule and empire really is. No empire rests entirely on the threat of violence to survive and insists on this Germanic idealist faggotry where they believe they make reality. The smart empires, and the British/American Empire was for a long time like this, think about how to manage their domains, how to keep vassals or clients on side. There is still the beast that the people around FDR built way back when - it was the default. The current people have inherited it and ran it into the ground as fast as possible, the "shit up the world Any%" speedrun. No empire has been cursed with a worse ruling clique than this one. It really is charlatans like Musk and old money assholes who love the smell of their own farts.

The US sees its "peaceful" tentacles as a war machine, no different from its armies and police and every instrument of violence it commands. "War is Peace" has been the ruling ideas for some time now. That produces are very peculiar take on cultural influence, and the Empire is far beyond anyone else in the world. The whole world speaks English as the language of commerce, technology, basically anything that really matters. No one else comes close or even expects to compete in that game. The next rival that can claim to come from a "different world" is still effectively beholden to the Empire for its position.

>If China is a imperial partner rather than a anti-imperial rival

Stop, just stop. Stop believing narratives. The CCP made its deal with the devil when Nixon did his thing. The CCP's legitimacy rests on the belief that Mao bossed around the foreigners and made China great, and if it comes out that Xi takes his orders from the Big Man up there, the people would be scandalized. Think of how bad it would be if, instead of pandering to the American people, the rulers openly said they're going to replace you with better foreigners and that your time was up. The American rulers come awfully close to that, but even in this denuded state, there are limits to what they can get away with outside of the vanguard club. China's ruling clique rules China, not the world, nor does China have pretensions that it's going to export its system or way of life. Even to their closest allies, the Chinese are not concerned with conforming to their system or ruling ideas. This is largely because their geopolitical stance is decided for them, so there's nothing for them to fight for - nor are they stupid enough to believe in great numbers that nations really are essences in eternal Schmittian struggles. But, a country pressed upon, that doesn't enjoy the greatest enthusiasm for its institutions the way Americans are trained to worship the institutions like gods, is far more likely to see themselves besieged, regardless of their actual situation. The CCP besieges its own people to a large extent and this is open policy, whereas in the US, there is a facade of so-called liberal democracy which contemptuously lies. In China, this is just stated flatly under the communist system, or the system calling itself communism these days. The Party has an explicit right to lord over you and no one is under the illusion that it works any differently. China does this not out of malice or some peculiar trait of the race, but because they have to, and this is what their people know. If you told them about the fictions of liberal democracy, they'd laugh in your face at such an absurdity and ask where the real emperor is. It does help that China makes hatred of liberal democracy a calling card of their propaganda - and when you look at liberal democracies producing a Trump who tells the world "liberal democracy is the most retarded government ever", screams it and beats it into the ruled, the CCP has an easy job to confirm that libdem does indeed suck ass. There has been a game played with China since the 1970s - and really this has been the game of the Empire with China all along - where the Chinese have to emphasize that they're under attack from the empire, and during the 50s and 60s they were under attack and sabotaged in ways that would make your skin crawl. Poisoning the crops en masse and probably causing the famine of the 1950s is just the tip of what imperial fuckery did during that time. It would take a long time to habituate the Chinese to embrace the imperial ideology, so what they do now is a long run mission to normalize it. It's very aggressive - China didn't always have social credit and this isn't a thing that is "inherently Chinese" like it made sense to them. So much of the "Great Firewall" stuff was built for them by American/imperial software engineers.

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