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 No.462013[Last 50 Posts]

This is a general thread for all China-related news.

Gusano fuckers can die. Westoid """maoists""" can sudoku.

We are going to analyize ITT every move by China in their road to a socialist economy.
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 No.462017

China's Mars Landing Mission | Shocks NASA and the USA | 中国的火星征途
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 No.462019

Why China is easing COVID-19 restrictions
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 No.462020

Xi Jinping ends landmark KSA visit by calling on Arab states to embrace multipolar world
https://thecradle.co/Article/News/19357
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 No.462021

Xi Jinping says China supports Palestine with 1967 borders
https://archive.ph/GRaGp
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 No.462022

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>>462021
comparison
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 No.462025

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This is your daily "China Ogre" poster.

China is ogre.
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 No.462034

https://gowans.blog/2022/12/10/for-the-friends-of-socialist-china-a-very-bad-week/

Beijing's revealing that profits are more important than people and arms sales to the Saudis more important than Yemen, made a very bad week for @socialist_china.
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 No.462038

>>462013
China greens the desert
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 No.462039

Im on the fucking fbi.gov and noone is here

what is the point even?
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 No.462040

>>462034
>0 Chinese sources
>sources: Wall Street Journal, London analytics, etc.
hit me with the concrete changes of the zero-covid policy or stfu with this crap
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 No.462041

>>462034
in reality:

>china saves 6 million lives by doing zero-covid

<china changes policy

westoids be like:
>OMG, CHINA IS TRUMP 2224

fuck you
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 No.462155

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Top pic:
>Mentally ill millennial, entrusted with authority, teaches children to be faggots. Taunts parents on TikTok, a platform owned by a Chinese company. Math, science, etc, need to be 'decolonized.'

Bottom pic:
>Uniformed student learns that he must act as part of a single collective, the nation, in order to reclaim a former glory while struggling against hostility from depraved foreign aggressors. Stress is put on science, math, and technology. YouTube, Facebook, Snapchat, etc banned. Has access to a different version of TikTok that shadowbans fags.

<Who wins?
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 No.462238

>>462155
>Who wins? Here's hoping that they kill each other.
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 No.462663

>>462155
>Collective
Yes, the Chinese must simp for the government so their labor can be exploited by Western firms.
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 No.462666

>>462663
Wait 15 years and see who's exploiting who, white drug addled dog
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 No.462670

>>462666
>soon we will be the bourgeoisie!
t. "communists"
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 No.462673

I see the Chinese century still makes angloid right wingers seethe.
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 No.462682

>>462670
>We're the real communists and here to save you
t. powerless self-important baizuo
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 No.462683

>>462682
Communism is when you're bourgeois, and the more bourgeois you are the more communism you have.
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 No.462708

>>462683
anon, 99% of anti-capitalist discourse consists of pseuds who resent the facy that they aren't booj
contemporary western communists are included, anarchists are ESPECIALLY included. they are almost all petty-bourgeois grifters
intellectual gigachads like marx and engels were truly unique. they were extremely critical of socialism, maybe even more than capitalism.
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 No.462758

>>462708
tfw you intuit elite overproduction theory without ever hearing about it
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 No.462780

>>462758
only ever heard about turchin once, from watching a cockshott video on historical materialism i think
all the bullshit i spew i learned from chris cutrone
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 No.462883

So how long until China completely wrecks the US?
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 No.462884

>>462780
>chris cutrone
I just can't fucking stand The Platypus Affiliated Society. Huge red flags all around, major pseuds try to "rethink" Marxism without actually offering anything concrete, so it ends up as this westoid "marxist" intellectual masturbation circle rationalizing to themselves through Marcuse (or chose your poison) why they can't have a revolution in the West and why Soviet Marxism sucked.

Hate them.
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 No.462885

>>462038
but at what cost?
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 No.462886

>>462708
>anon, 99% of anti-capitalist discourse consists of pseuds who resent the fact that they aren't booj
>contemporary western communists are included, anarchists are ESPECIALLY included. they are almost all petty-bourgeois grifters
That's also why they are so fucking into coops and "workplace democracy" and all that shit, because they imagine the liberation of the proletariat through its embourgeoisement. Just make every worker a shareholding board member and you've solved capitalism, bro. The most irritating version is the "gift economy" or "barter trading" or the pseudest of all the "potlach" types who basically envision humanity going back to early artisanry (that through history, became one of the first bourgeois employers of labor anyway). These are the same people who will constantly shit on China though for being the "same capitalists as the West."

And the reason for all of this is that the westoids are literal parasites on the working classes of the Global South so they don't want a radically different society, what they want is a slightly improved life for themselves. Their ideological statements, their dreams and wishes reveals this clearly. That these "leftists" immediately turn pro-NATO whenever it's time to "liberate a country" is not incidental – they intuitively know that their way of life depends on it. That 99% of westoid unions are completely devoid of radicalism and favor incremental change is also a symptom, that for westoids the place for Marxism is in the academia and not in the factories is another.
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 No.462888

>>462883
>A ward of the west that can't even screw together an airliner is going to wreck the US.
Just two more weeks.
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 No.462889

>>462886
>That's also why they are so fucking into coops and "workplace democracy" and all that shit, because they imagine the liberation of the proletariat through its embourgeoisement.
Making the proletariat stronger gives it more revolutionary potential, not less. If you look back at the bourgeois revolutions, they didn't happen when the bourgeoisie was at its weakest. They happened when the bourgeoisie was ascendant. The same will be true of the proletarian revolution.
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 No.462891

>>462889
>Making the proletariat stronger gives it more revolutionary potential, not less.
>stronger
Miss me with your fucking empty phraseology, you booklet fuck. Having coops in the West doesn't empower its proletariat, it pacifies them. Running a collective of petit-bourgeois coworkers makes life way more tolerable. There's absolutely nothing about coops that would propel people towards more revolutionary consciousness. The people who tell you that "it shows another world is possible" are feeding you lies and jiggling a key chain at your stupid infant face.

>If you look back at the bourgeois revolutions, they didn't happen when the bourgeoisie was at its weakest.

You stupid shit, listen to me. The bourgeoisie became empowered NOT through imitating the feudal classes, falling back to their outdated mode of production, intermingling with them, or by forming enclaves of production only seemingly separate from the whole of feudalism. You literally advocate for pacifying workers when you advocate for forming coops, just like you would have done the same if you advocated for the nascent bourgeoisie to try to become lords or part of the aristocracy or clergy.

Stupid fucking shit.
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 No.462904

>>462891
>Having coops in the West doesn't empower its proletariat
Yeah, giving the working class control of the means of production makes them less revolutionary. kek
>Running a collective of petit-bourgeois coworkers makes life way more tolerable.
Oh dear, we can't have workers live being tolerable, can we? Also:
>petit-bourgeois
lol
>There's absolutely nothing about coops that would propel people towards more revolutionary consciousness.
Apart from their own rational self-interests right?
>The bourgeoisie became empowered NOT through imitating the feudal classes, falling back to their outdated mode of production, intermingling with them, or by forming enclaves of production only seemingly separate from the whole of feudalism.
Blah-blah-blah. They became more powerful. They did not become weaker, more desperate, more oppressed. No, they became more powerful just as they were becoming wealthier.

Only retards like you see any logic in accelerationism.
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 No.462906

>>462904
>Blah-blah-blah.
This is the western left.
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 No.462913

>>462906
And you're out of arguments. Puddle-deep logic, as always.
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 No.462920

>>462913
I'm not the one who couldn't address a single point raised, and instead went after strawman of "accelerationism" while in reality completely orthodox Marxist points were raised.

You are a complete booklet, m8.
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 No.462923

>>462013
It's going to be the Chinese century because the west is committing economic suicide. Europe is killing it self by imposing an energy embargo on itself and the US is going to bleed it self to death with military spending.
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 No.462924

>>462920
Your "point" was nothing but talking around the plain fact the the bourgeoisie was economically ascendant when they finally achieved revolution. It wasn't even accurate, since, yes, they did emulate the aristocracy during their ascendency. But no matter how you try to couch it, the bourgeois revolutions occured when the bourgeoisie had a very large degree of control of the economy. They were not the hopeless, downtrodden lowest class of society. Attempts by the desperately weak and impoverished have always played out like the peasant rebellions of the ancien regime. Yeah, they are eager to fight, but their cause is hopeless. They are not revolutionary. inb4 zomgproblematicwesternchauvanistwhitemalepetitbourgeoislaboraristocrat
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 No.462969

>>462923
>It's going to be the Chinese century because the west is committing economic suicide.
You've got it backwards. The collective West is committing economic suicide exactly because it has no other feasible methods of containing the rise of the East.
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 No.462970

>>462969
>no other feasible methods
(e.g. direct warfare)

(Taiwan united with mainland by 2030.)
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 No.462976

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>>462924
>>462904
If I may be permitted to educate you.

What you are calling "accelerationism" (a term coined in the 21st century, functioning in this "debate" of ours as a stawman of your own making in your petty argumentation) is not even closely related to my core beliefs, or, to "where I'm coming from."

As I already made it implicit, mine is an orthodox Marxist view – that held by Marx, Engels, and Lenin to different degrees dependent on the theoretical development of their views in different periods of their development.

To reiterate the main points:
1. Under the current global capitalist politico-economic environment to advocate for "cooperatizing" the working class doesn't amount to "strengthening" their (abstract) "power" as hypothesized by you, and no amount of economic "self-bettering" of select pockets of the (especially Western) proletariat resulting from this can ever lead to the overall emancipation of the proletariat culminating in a DotP for the single reason that cooperatization merely means petit-embourgeoisement of the pockets of the working class (esp. in the West).

You are being continuously called a "booklet" because the congruent results are already being drawn in such classics as Marx's The Poverty of Philosophy, and Engels' Socialiasm – Utopian and Scientific. Parallel to this runs a long Leninist tradition calling out core-capitalist unions for being "reformist," and the general population being "labor aristocrats" (stemming back to Engels).

It makes me think that you don't actually understand what the term "embourgeoisement" (a term spanning back to Marx and Engels) even means. It means that a specific sector of a specific economic unit's (e.g. country's) portion of the working class becomes enfeebled in terms of revolutionary potential and becomes aligned in terms of (oft global) class interests with their local (and int. aligned [in case of global] imperialist) bourgeoisie proper.

But this is just one line of argumentation you didn't understand.

The other one argued against your infantile idiocy regarding the levels of modes of production, in developmental, or, if you'd like, Marxist-"teleological" / Marxist-"productionist" fashion. Namely, that pockets of the working class adopting a cooperative economic framework equals with their setting back in terms of development to the already existing capitalist framework.

Parallel to the two main lines of argumentation above, runs a much more basic line, namely the model of the "development of revolutionary consciousness of the working class" as observed and outlined in Lenin's What is to be Done. To TL;DR: working class revolutionary consciousness develops in direct conflict with the bourgeoisie, which your proposed model of "just do coops, lmao" tries to bypass altogether, again, resulting in a p-bourg mindset.

And finally, there is actual historic evidence proving your line absolutely incorrect and wrongheaded from a revolutionary POV – no surprise to anyone who studies Marx, Engels, and Lenin. Namely, the israeli series of Kibbutzim experiments which started as localized coops aimed at birthing socialist collectives, all organized in a cooperative fashion, but done so under the general aegis of a capitalist(/neo-colonialist) project of the state building of modern Israel. What happened on the political side (again: Engels – Utopian and Scientific) is that these futile projects became crucial vehicles for the bourgeois project of nation building for Israel, and what happened on the economic side (obv. the two being in dialectical relationship) is that said local coops started out as economic units of local "equal owners and producers"… a decade later employing poor Palestinian labor as paid wage labor (economic exploitation proper). There are literally no guarantees for this NOT to happen whenever and wherever coops arise in a capitalist (as opposed to under DotP) setting.

This is also why Rojava-fags are complete idiots and booklets like yourself, but, anon, you are about to become less of a booklet, because you've been provided with at least 3 books to read, and like 4 topics to further research….

RIGHT?

>inb4 Daddy Richard D. Wolff & Noam Chomsky

Read the books, you fucking useless cumstain, and become a less useless cumstain.
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 No.462977


>inb4 blahblahblah v.2

are you american, you unsalvageable cunt?
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 No.462979

"A decoupling between US and China may mean the decoupling between the US and the world", and "For example, Brazil used to export $1 billion to China in a year and now it exports that same amount in 72 hours"
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 No.462981

World’s Second-Biggest Hydropower Plant Starts Generating Electricity in China
https://www.yicaiglobal.com/news/world-second-biggest-hydropower-plant-starts-generating-electricity-in-china
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 No.462982

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What the Pentagon Doesn’t Want You to Know About China

To encourage Congress to authorize the largest defense budget ever, the Pentagon just released its annual report on China, which dangerously misrepresents the country’s defense strategy. Such deliberate lies about China to drum up justification for more US war spending need to be urgently addressed.

Let’s debunk these lies:

On Nuclear Weapons: The Pentagon reports that China possesses around 400 nuclear warheads with no clear plan on how to use them. If this estimation of China’s arsenal is correct, it’s still trivial compared to the US’s almost 6,000 warheads. China is the only nuclear power with an unconditional “no first use” policy, and has been clear that it only intends to use its nuclear power for assurance and defense. Meanwhile, the United States is the only country to have used nuclear weapons in war and has also flirted with escalating tensions into a nuclear war with Russia this year. Who is preparing for war?

On Global Military Presence: The Pentagon reports that since China established its first overseas military base in Djibouti, it has ambitions to expand its military presence globally. At the same time, the United State has more than 750 military bases in around 80 countries. This includes more than 250 bases in the Asia-Pacific encircling China with 375,000 personnel in the Indo-Pacific Command, while China has no military presence in the Western Hemisphere. Who is preparing for war?

On International Order: The Pentagon reports that China may challenge the US in the international arena. It is true that China is taking the lead internationally in economic development, in technological innovation, and in fighting climate change. Other countries around the world are happy for its support in growing their capacities to be independent of United States hegemony in their regions. China builds relationships through economic cooperation and good diplomacy. In contrast, the United States asserts its global dominance through direct or proxy war, occupation, crippling sanctions, and regime-changing coups. The international order that the United States seeks to maintain is rooted in violence and destruction. Let’s invest in peace, not war!

While the United States is desperately pursuing its outdated policy of enforcing global hegemony, the rest of the world is already moving towards a multilateral sphere, which ensures the greatest chance for peace. Escalating tension with China was a mistake, and building a colossal military budget is doubling down on this mistake. We must be vigilant about the warmongering lies about China. “China is not our enemy” is not a hollow slogan but firm ground that peacemakers stand on.
https://dissidentvoice.org/2022/12/what-the-pentagon-doesnt-want-you-to-know-about-china/
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 No.463023

>>462976
>To reiterate the main points:
Fuck reiterating. It's time to support your points. You're not doing anything but repeating claims. Also, lol you have a "1" but not a "2."
>the general population being "labor aristocrats" (stemming back to Engels)
Daily reminder that Marx coined the term "labor aristocrat" as a sarcastic joke at the expense of the notion that such a thing could possibly exist.
>But this is just one line of argumentation you didn't understand.
No, what you did was make a claim–a bullshit claim–with nothing to support it. That is not a line of argumentation.
>The other one argued against your infantile idiocy regarding the levels of modes of production, in developmental, or, if you'd like, Marxist-"teleological" / Marxist-"productionist" fashion. Namely, that pockets of the working class adopting a cooperative economic framework equals with their setting back in terms of development to the already existing capitalist framework.
If you're going to post in English, then first learn the language.
>Parallel to the two main lines of argumentation above, runs a much more basic line, namely the model of the "development of revolutionary consciousness of the working class" as observed and outlined in Lenin's What is to be Done. To TL;DR: working class revolutionary consciousness develops in direct conflict with the bourgeoisie, which your proposed model of "just do coops, lmao" tries to bypass altogether, again, resulting in a p-bourg mindset.
Nobody said, "just do coops." What was said was, "empower the working class," and no, Patrick, suicide nets are not empowering the working class.
>There are literally no guarantees for this NOT to happen whenever and wherever coops arise in a capitalist (as opposed to under DotP) setting.
Christ, if you're going to make an argument against coops, at least pick an example that isn't just hippies. Cerro Rico is a far more damning example.
>This is also why Rojava-fags are complete idiots and booklets like yourself, but, anon, you are about to become less of a booklet, because you've been provided with at least 3 books to read, and like 4 topics to further research….
No, I'm going to stick to Capital. You might want to try it. It's a good read.
>>462977
In during blahblahblahblah. Suck it, turdworldist.
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 No.463026

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>>463023
>It's time to support your points.
I already did. I already did by citing theoretical works from Marx and Engels, but I moved beyond that even, by citing exhaustive historical evidence.

DID YOU MISS THOSE?

Want me to help you out with basic reading comprehension?

>Daily reminder that Marx coined the term "labor aristocrat" as a sarcastic joke at the expense of the notion that such a thing could possibly exist.

<[SOURCE:NONE]

MEANWHILE, IN REALITY, YOU ABSOLUTE PSEUD:
>>>>The members of the petty bourgeoisie who still adhere to the party, together with the labour aristocracy, form a purely democratic faction whose programme is limited to the People's Charter and a number of other petty-bourgeois reforms. The mass of the workers who live in truly proletarian conditions belong to the revolutionary Chartist faction.
<MECW 10, p. 514, written by Karl Marx & Friedrich Engels

MEANWHILE, IN REALITY, YOU ABSOLUTE PSEUD:
>>>>"These new Trades Unions of unskilled men and women are totally different from the old organisations of the working-class aristocracy and cannot fall into the same conservative ways;"
<MECW 48, p. 389, ENGELS TO LAURA LAFARGUE

MEANWHILE, IN REALITY, YOU ABSOLUTE PSEUD:
>>>>"A system that makes a few new shopkeepers and capitalists to replace the old, and increases the great curse of the working classes, the aristocracy of labour."
<MECW 11, p. 580

MEANWHILE, IN REALITY, YOU ABSOLUTE PSEUD:
>>>>"But it isn't actually socialist and those Englishmen who have understood our theory best remain outside it — Hyndman because he's an incorrigible intriguer and dog-in-the-manger, Bax because he's too much of an academic. In form, the movement is first and foremost a trades union movement, but totally different from the movement of the old Trades Unions, that of the skilled labourers or working men's aristocracy."
<MECW 48, p. 417, Engels to Friedrich Adolph Sorge

PLEASE TELL ME HOW MARX & ENGELS ONLY """"SARCASTICALLY"""" USED THE TERM, YOU FUCKING BOOKLET PSEUD!
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 No.463027

UHM, AKSHUALLY, WHEN MARX SAID "MODES OF PRODUCTION" HE ONLY MEANT IT IRONICALLY, LMAO

>western left in 2022
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 No.463028

>>463023
how do you live with yourself, spreading obvious lies, honestly?
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 No.463029

>>463026
><[SOURCE:NONE]
Wait, wait, wait… you didn't know that? Top kek! Tell you what, if I provide the exact page and paragraph where Marx coins "labor aristocracy" as a joke, will you admit that a joke is exactly what "labor aristocracy" is?
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 No.463031

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>>463023
>turdworldist
WOW, IT TURNS OUT THAT ENGELS, WHO LIVED BETWEEN 1820-1895 WAS ACTUALLY A """"""""THIRD WORLDIST"""""""" (A TERM INVENTED IN THE 21ST CENTURY) WHEN HE SAID, AND I QUOTE:

wtf, picrels are actually from Engels providing a picture of the lab. aristocrats!!!
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 No.463032

>>463029
Above sources already prove that the term was operative in a serious manner in the oeuvre of Marx and Engels.

What are you even TRYING to prove, worm?
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 No.463033

>>463029
does any of these legitimate sources look like a "joke" to you:
>>463026
>>463031
?
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 No.463034

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The L – you should take it, booklet.
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 No.463035

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>when Westoid is defeated
glory to China, Laos, North-Korea, Vietnam, and Cuba
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 No.463037

>>463033
>>463032
>>463031
So, that's a bet then? Yes?
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 No.463038

>>463034
>>463031
>>463032
>>463033
>>463034
>>463035
Allow me to reiterate, since you love that shit. If I can show that Marx coined labor aristocracy as a sarcastic joke at the expense of the notion that such a thing exists, you will declare that "labor aristocracy" is a joke, right?
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 No.463039

>>463038
Tfw your political ideology is an esoteric cult and you debate the deeper meaning of offhand remarks by its founder
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 No.463040

>>463031
>>463032
>>463033
>>463034
>>463035
Come on, don't bitch out. One of you is feeling confident, right?
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 No.463041

>>463039
Wait, is that a tacit admission that Marx did just that?
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 No.463042

>>463039
Also, lol "off-hand remark." He wrote an entire sub-chapter of Capital Vol. 1 about it. Oops! I just gave the game away.
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 No.463043

>>463038
Even if you could put forward a single source wherein Marx uses ironically the term "labour aristocracy" all the above quotations which use the term in serious theoretical discussion/debate would disprove your point of it being "merely a joke."

But please, entertain us.
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 No.463044

>>463043
>>463038
also, don't just quote it, give us the source in MECW vol. & pg. no. so we can read the context and laugh at you.
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 No.463045

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>>463038
>Allow me to reiterate, since you love that shit
<reiteration…
<you love that shit
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 No.463046

>>463043
>Even if you could put forward a single source wherein Marx uses ironically the term "labour aristocracy"
(btw, I pdfgrepped this shit, so I have 99.9% uses of M&E uttering "lab. arist." so I would be rather surprised if this anon came up with a revelatory source that would "prove" that all if this was a "joke" lol.)
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 No.463047

>>463042
>>463041
Both sides of this debate are pretty retarded, tbh.

On one side, the ortho-marxoid who handwaves away his own irrelevance and impotence with fart sniffing phrases like false consciousness.

On the other, the stunted white guy who honestly believes that Third World people are some hotbed of
revolutionary fervent, and everyone in the First World fails to live up to a proper moral standard (except them, of course).

It's the bumfights of political debates
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 No.463048

>>463043
>>463044
>>463045
>>463046
Source: Capital Vol. 1, Chapter 25, sub-chapter D. Yes, the entire sub-chapter is about this very subject. Now, are any of them man enough to own up?

To reiterate, none of the above turdworldist fucks–not one of them–has read Capital Vol. 1.
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 No.463050

>>463047
>the ortho-marxoid who handwaves away his own irrelevance and impotence with fart sniffing phrases like false consciousness.
It is long established (and, I should add, since then empirically established) that all forms reformism and utopianism (incl. "establishing coops") do not favor revolutionary consciousness developing in the masses. Would you please provide a historic counter example if you had one?

Not just the "Orthodox" but the basic fucking Marxism101 tells us that said consciousness develops via the proletariat as a mass confronting the bourgeoisie.

Nothing I've said above is even remotely considered to be controversial among mainline Marxists.

Please consult the above mentioned classics (ME&L). This whole "debate" is a joke.

If you were really shilled into "gommunism=coops" meme I feel sorry for you.
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 No.463052

>>463050
Bro, you're politically irrelevant. We get it
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 No.463053

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>>463048
There's no "sub-chapter D" in the MECW Capital vol. 1. under ch. 25, anon. In fact, even "ch. 25" is written in roman numerals – "XXV".

Please VERY PRECISELY POINT TO THE EXACT PLACE where Marx supposedly
1) coins "labour aristocracy";
2) and coins it in a "SARCASTIC" way in pdf-rel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Protip: previous sources have been given that disprove your claim that 1) "it was coined in capital" since much earlier sources are available for the coinage of the term; 2) the whole "it's a joke" charade was already disproven by detailed quotations above.

Good luck, marvelous faggot!!
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 No.463054

I just wanna have fun.

Fucking fact-havers ruin it all the time whenever i go to commie forums.


fuck u all
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 No.463055

File: 1671601454988.jpg (27.47 KB, 1500x845, Sixty-and-Me-Words-Can’t-D….jpg)

>>463052
>>Would you please provide a historic counter example if you had one?
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 No.463056

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 No.463057

>be westoid
>try to be communist
>fail
Xi, help me
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 No.463058

>>463053
In which part of Capital does Marx explain why I can't get a gf?
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 No.463059

File: 1671602755059.pdf (47.5 MB, 198x300, Marx & Engels Collected Wo….pdf)

>>463058
MECW I. (young Marx poems).
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 No.463066

>faglords debating about muh Marx ITT
>China be like
>lemme just screen this ancient bridge with Diablo 2 musac (guitar+mellotrone)
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 No.463067

>Still waiting for my savior

Xi, help me
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 No.463226

china is fucked
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 No.463228

>>463226
since the 50's, when mao to make cornpop happy got rid of all stalinists (the only competent people) in the party, becoming just a plaything of the right, a puppet of the jew enlai, while the left was only capable of chimping out.
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 No.463230

>>463226
yeah, totally, dude
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 No.463271

File: 1672017200041.mp4 (5.69 MB, 720x1280, SnapSave.io-The Bear Seems….mp4)

I love impotent burger fantasies of dealing with those pesky chinese
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 No.463287

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 No.463432

File: 1672451232437-0.png (93.26 KB, 252x168, ClipboardImage.png)

File: 1672451232437-1.png (477.39 KB, 825x510, ClipboardImage.png)

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 No.463435

>>463287
It's a bit of a cliches to say this but the de-dolarizaton process is dialectical.
The more the US uses it's currency as a geopolitical tool the more the counter-tendencies grow.
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 No.463455

China is collapsing in 2023
for real this time
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 No.463456

>>463455
RIP
ogre, it's official
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 No.463660

File: 1673040809632.png (340.04 KB, 860x1126, christchanlaughingatyou.png)

>implements three red lines policy because thinks he can control capitalism
>real estate crashes with no survivors
>gets social unrest
>backs down on three red lines policy
kek
nice maneuver socdems

watching socdems is like watching a mentally handicapped child struggling to tie his shoes and failing again and again
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 No.463666

File: 1673044590550.jpg (66.86 KB, 750x1334, Chinese bottom.jpg)

>>462013
China will never be on top because Chinese are bottoms with a daddy kink.
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 No.463797

https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=ByWvQFveVBY

The US is trying to manufacture a Taiwan-war.
The question is whether they can pull it off.
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 No.463807

>>463797
China should totally outmaneuver the US by simply not invading Taiwan. It would be genius. The US would spend money on giving weapons to Taiwan that they will never use against China. Pure genius.
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 No.463818

File: 1673172866699.jpg (287.59 KB, 1440x2357, eNYNTwa.jpg)

Based CPC
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 No.463825

>>463818
Yes, it's nice when bosses sometimes get fired and replaced with other bosses.
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 No.463829

File: 1673185433151.jpg (237.18 KB, 1920x1080, 31.jpg)

>>463818
>charismatic billionaire
the man looks like a homunculus straight out of the secret lab
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 No.463850

>>463825
>communists are bosses
left anti-communist spotted
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 No.463852

File: 1673214314006.jpg (14.94 KB, 220x283, 220px-Enabling_eCommerce-_….jpg)

>>463829
jack ma is very handsome, tbh

if i were a women, id rate him 9/10 and would have sexual relations with him
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 No.463872

>>463825
Infantile take. Note that this would never happen in 'mericuh
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 No.464009

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 No.464018

File: 1673348600544.jpeg (246.6 KB, 1080x2182, FmDPsbwX0AA5Euz.jpeg)

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 No.464042

File: 1673442153929.mp4 (9.13 MB, 720x1280, SnapSave.io-I’m not being ….mp4)

why come asians are superior in every conceivable way?
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 No.464262

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 No.464269

>>464018
clown world
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 No.464313

>>464269
t. math forcer
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 No.464316

muh covid genocide
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 No.464334

File: 1674143314609.webm (10.19 MB, 1280x720, lmao.webm)

>>464316
webm capped from this

just lmao'ing at the westernoids, honestly
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 No.464400

File: 1674237700759.mp4 (1015.99 KB, 720x1280, SnapSave.io-Would you use ….mp4)

Chine just started the "One child one train" policy and the trial runs look promising.
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 No.464405

File: 1674242958165.mp4 (3.77 MB, 1280x720, 1674232980323.mp4)

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 No.464423

>>464400
It would seem that the next generation will grow up with no idea of what actually touching grass is like.
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 No.464441

>>463797
i hope so, chins are dipshit nationialists with a red paint job
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 No.464442

>>463226
yep
>>463271
lulzy and appropriate response to tourists
>>463057
no helping, just waiting for the global jihad to fook shit up
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 No.464449

File: 1674491770988.jpg (43.79 KB, 620x350, zorg 5th element weapons d….jpg)

>>464441
>I hope for war with China
The military industrial complex sales-person has logged on
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 No.464450

>>464449
>sales-person
product sells itself nerd
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 No.464451

File: 1674493523877.png (80.35 KB, 700x934, lelwtf.png)

>>464450
>product sells itself
seriously you're actually selling weapons ?
kek
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 No.464470

>>464441
Ummmm… Based..
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 No.464647

File: 1674850810668-0.jpg (77.87 KB, 909x832, China land becomes public.jpg)

File: 1674850810668-1.jpg (21.26 KB, 345x388, Micheal hudson economist.jpg)

China is nationalizing (through purchases) land.
It seems they are heeding the advice of Micheal Hudson type economists that have warned against letting finance capital turn into rentier capital through mechanisms like real estate speculation.
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 No.464663

>>464647
but why the sudden change in policy
do you think they're predicting a big ass global recession soon
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 No.464668

>>464663
The real estate market has been destroying itself since the banks started buying up single unit homes. It's causing de-urabanization. Even American cities are getting on the public housing train.
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 No.464682

>>464663
>but why the sudden change in policy
It wasn't unexpected, a while ago Xi Jinpin maid a big deal about Houses being for living.
Which means they are going after real estate speculators, not only because they are parasites that do nothing but raise the cost of housing, but also because private real estate in China has been creating financial bubbles, which causes economic instability, and that is a big NO NO in China.

But the Chinese private real estate sector has also been shit in a myriad of other ways, they frequently abandoned partially finished construction or skimp on build-quality to such an extend that it created structural integrity risks. That meant new buildings could not be used because they failed safety inspections and there were some fatalities, a few buildings actually collapsed while being occupied by people. So they really had it coming. Don't get me wrong tho Chinese construction is generally good quality, but there were enough "technical irregularities" to cause political consequences.

>do you think they're predicting a big ass global recession soon

Many people are predicting a recession in the west, but China doesn't appear to be heading towards one.
I don't think that a recession in the west will significantly affect China, they have considerably reconfigured their economy after the 2008 financial crash. If the west tanks it's economy again, the Chinese will just turn up the knob for internal consumption to substitute for the loss of commodity export markets. That should shield them from most of the fallout. So it won't be global.
If you are asking whether their decision to move more real-estate into the public sector has something to do with global events: Maybe a little, real estate finance is a fickle beast that is easily disrupted by happenings, but i'm leaning towards mostly domestic reasons.
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 No.464707

Is General Minihan's gut correct ?
Is the US going to war against china in 2 years.
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 No.464708

File: 1674932795355.jpg (86.84 KB, 954x710, Sino-US war in 2025.jpg)

>>464707
forgot pic
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 No.464710

>>464707
It's a "gut feeling." What a nothing burger. Besides, why would either country want to tank their own enconmies as they are trying to claw out of a depression?
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 No.464712

>>464710
for the lulz and georgia stones
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 No.464741

https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=2Z-OSlarqYY

Discussion about US-China rivalry
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 No.464783

here we go
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 No.464786

>>464783
>smart silver stacker
opinion discarded

go stack some beans and toilet paper in your basement retadoid
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 No.464832

File: 1675196584415.jpg (77.6 KB, 600x550, japan-remillitarizes.jpg)

Japan is now rearming, and it looks like the front-lines for WW3 are being drawn.

But can Japan really fight a war ?
They are already having demographic shrinkage, can they really afford to send another generation into the killing fields without a population collapse ?
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 No.464847

>>464832
I'm willing to bet that japan doesn't want anything to do with war after ww2. Plenty of people still alive who remeber the atom bomb.
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 No.464849

>>464847
who's "japan"? an otaku collecting figurines? a Japanese schoolgirl?

if Japanese state wasn't preparing for war - it wouldn't have been militarizing (duh)

who cares about the fucking bomb?
nobody cares about ancient history ( except nazoid useful idiots) if it can't be used as a weapon here and now
Japan is tied to the US just as Europe, if US goes to war - Japan goes with it
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 No.464851

>>464847
>I'm willing to bet that japan doesn't want anything to do with war after ww2. Plenty of people still alive who remember the atom bomb.
The likelyhood of China nuking Japan is low even during a war. Although they might consider it if Japan ever tried to get it's own nuclear arsenal. But you are right the Japanese population is likely not on board, even a conventional war is plenty horrifying.

>>464849
>if Japanese state wasn't preparing for war - it wouldn't have been militarizing
maybe
>who cares about the fucking bomb?
All the sane people do.
>nobody cares about ancient history ( except nazoid useful idiots)
All the history teachers hate you.
>if it can't be used as a weapon here and now
Nukes can't rationally be used, but that doesn't mean they won't be used. You can't play a game of who blinks first.

Reading your post creates the impression that you think it's possible to make the Chinese yield to US hegemony if only the west appears bloodthirsty enough. The Chinese play for keeps too, they won't cave. They have a style of conducting international politics that is based on maximizing agreeableness, they do this because it's better for business, it would be a fatal error to mistake it as weakness.

>Japan is tied to the US just as Europe, if US goes to war - Japan goes with it

All alliances are conditional, lets be realistic.
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 No.464852

>>464849
Every single country on the planet is militarizing and also loves to rattle their sabers when things get dicey, but, Japan is not looking for war.

>nobody cares about ancient history


This is probably one of the stupidest things I have ever read in my life. People exist today who literally say people get incinerated in Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Anime as a medium literally has roots in the Atomic Bombing of Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Why do you think a lot of anime themes(especially OVA of the 80s and 90s) revolve around an existential terror and threat of nightmarish proportions? There's tons of anime covering specifically these events.

That's like saying "No one in the US cares about 9/11 anymore" You have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.
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 No.464858

>>464851
>The likelyhood of China nuking Japan is low even during a war.
The fuck you're smoking? Japan is the primary military logistical hub for the US military in the Asia-Pacific. It gets nuked the moment gloves come off.
Well, at least Okinawa gets nuked, at least in the scenario where the ruling class actually knows wtf it wants and is ready for a total annihilation (hello Russia).
Maybe not right away, and maybe not even by a nuke, but Okinawa gets obliterated in all scenarios.

I don't think China has the capacity to naval block Japan by using subs and ships, so that leaves nukes.
It would be BEYOND russkie levels retarded to not use every possible weapon to destroy the enemy logistical hubs in the Asia-Pacific when the theater of war is right at your border and burgers need to cross the ocean to get to it.

>All the sane people do.

where is class in this? what is "sane" for one class is not "sane" for the other

>All the history teachers hate you.

fuck 'em

>Nukes can't rationally be used, but that doesn't mean they won't be used.

I was talking about ancient history as a weapon, not nukes
lrn2read

>Reading your post creates the impression that you think it's possible to make the Chinese yield to US hegemony if only the west appears bloodthirsty enough. The Chinese play for keeps too, they won't cave.

No shit chinese porks won't cave lol. Especially when they have all the proles to throw in the meatgrinder of war. No ruling class ever would cave in before it has its back against the wall retard.

>They have a style of conducting international politics that is based on maximizing agreeableness, they do this because it's better for business, it would be a fatal error to mistake it as weakness.

what an absolute retarded take from a retarded nazoid
"maximizing agreeableness" my ass lmao
"bad for business" lmao
spoken like a true nazoid petty shopkeeper

war is never "bad for business" in capitalism
it is maybe not good for your particular dildo shop, but who ever cares about what a nazoid shopkeeper thinks

dismissed, bitch
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 No.464859

>>464852
>but, Japan is not looking for war
why the sudden cries about "muh we need to defend ourselves!!" then? Japan have gone through the Cold War without militarizing, but suddenly it needs to now? lol
and just as it faces a fourth decade of economic stagnation.. curious

>This is probably one of the stupidest things I have ever read in my life.

because you're a retarded nazoid

>muh anime!!

nobody cares retard

>That's like saying "No one in the US cares about 9/11 anymore"

are you for real bitch? get the fuck out here lol
stupid motherfucker
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 No.464860

>>464852
Literally no one in the US cares about 9/11 any more, except perhaps as a cautionary tale for why you shouldn't just trust the official explanation of controversial events.
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 No.464862

>>464858
>Japan is the primary military logistical hub for the US military in the Asia-Pacific. It gets nuked the moment gloves come off.
>Well, at least Okinawa gets nuked, Maybe not right away, and maybe not even by a nuke, but Okinawa gets obliterated in all scenarios.
>I don't think China has the capacity to naval block Japan
I could imagine that they might nuke Guam because the US stations a lot of nuclear bombers on that Island.
But they will smash Okinawa with conventional weapons. And they do have the navel yard construction capacity to build a fleet, that can blockade Japan. I think the Chinese will fight with an incremental methodical style, and deliberately iterate their military systems, while they ramp up pressure over time.

>It would be BEYOND russkie levels retarded to not use every possible

The Russians are acting deliberately, their goal is not just to impose a crushing tactical military defeat on Ukraine (American shock and aw style), they want to drain Ukraine of it's ability to fight, because they don't want an insurgency after the war. Their goal is for the fighters that can be motivated by the Bandera-wing to have the fight beaten out of them, and all their weapons supplies destroyed by this war, So that when it's over it's really over for good. And they want to achieve all of this while minimizing their own military personal casualties and war-economics hardships for their own population.

If the US can force the Japanese to attack China. The Chinese won't just try to beat them militarily, they will seek to completely break down Japanese society until it can be remade into something new that will never be hostile towards China again. Think more along the lines of what happened after WW2 to the defeated countries.

Unlike you they are also thinking about what happens after the war.
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 No.464875

>>464860
Yeah ok, I found the non burger.
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 No.464920

>>464862
>The Russians are acting deliberately, their goal is not just to impose a crushing tactical military defeat on Ukraine
stfu
don't you EVER talk to me nazoid bitch

I need to wash my hands now
if only I could choke you through the screen..
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 No.464924

File: 1675355048871.jpg (110.45 KB, 1200x591, seize grass touch it.jpg)

>>464858
>dismissed, bitch
>>464859
stupid motherfucker
>>464920
>if only I could choke you through the screen.
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 No.464959

File: 1675443396671.jpg (126.63 KB, 1042x1358, balloonhysteria.jpg)

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 No.464960

>>464959
What's the fucking deal with this shit? What did china just have a spy balloon just accidentally drift off course or some shit? lol. Apperently burger government was pissed off
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 No.464961

>>464960
My bet is that it's a meteorological balloon
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 No.464963

>>464960
It's a balloon for equipment, likely a science experiment or a weather balloon.
Those balloons can't be directly steered. But it's possible to predict weather patterns. If released at a specific time and place, those weather pattern will carry the balloon on a predictable path. So you sort-off can choose where they go. But it's not a perfect mechanism, balloons can drift of course. That is the most likely explanation for this.

Of course it's also possible that it's a Chinese spy balloon. China has spy satellites that scan the US (the reverse is also true) so there can hardly be a sensible reason for such a puzzling stunt.

It's certainly not a saber rattling provocation
<Behold my mighty instrument lifting balloon, kneel before it's power.
Said no-one ever.
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 No.464976

>>464959
>>464960
>>464961
>>464963
I think it was a political balloon.
They hyped this shit in order to stop the diplomatic visit to China by US secretary of state Blinken.
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 No.465000

File: 1675546621717.jpg (22.63 KB, 600x330, ballon popped.jpg)

they popped the balloon

it's over loon-bros
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 No.465001

>>465000
NOOOO GOD WHY
THE HUMANITY! I loved that balloon!
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 No.465030

File: 1675616943538.jpg (48.83 KB, 877x455, f22.jpg)

>>465001
They scrambled an F22 air superiority fighter to shoot it down.
Shooting sparrows with a cannon is for amateurs, popping balloons with Fighter jets is where it's at.

They used up an air to air missile for this. If the Chinese release more balloons are they going to empty their missile ammo racks ?
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 No.465031

>>465030
Don't those jets have actual turrets attached to them? It seems so unnecessary. How much are one of those fuckers anyways?
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 No.465033

File: 1675621347539.jpg (104.84 KB, 1200x797, 20 mm m61a2 vulcan rotary ….jpg)

>>465031
They don't have turrets, a turret means that it can aim independently from the direction the jet is facing.
But they do have a big 20mil dogfight cannon.

>It seems so unnecessary.

Yeah they probably could have shredded the balloon with that cannon.
Now that i'm thinking about it, a balloon moves quite slow, and a jet moves quite fast.
The balloon wouldn't be in cannon range for very long. Maybe they didn't want to risk the jet catching on the balloon or something.

>How much are one of those fuckers anyways?

I don't know what missiles they used but for the F22 standard air to air armament is
the "cheap one" Aim 9 is $200k a pop
the expensive one Aim 120 is $1 million a pop

There is no way the balloon cost anywhere near as much.
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 No.465093

File: 1675763557279.png (24.25 KB, 793x245, 1675759937621441.png)

It's ober
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 No.465113

>>465093
The ai is reading digital tea leafs.
The US empire is soooo not prepared to start shit with China, they got outproduced in industrial warfare by Russia.
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 No.465116

>>465113
>Having this much cope about the military strength of the united states.
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 No.465173

>>465116
It's true, the US military is a joke. Except what that anon didn't mention is that China and Russia's militaries are even funnier jokes.
But their point about industrial capacity winning wars is correct in the long run. A US declaration of war against China would probably result in something similar to when Japan declared war on the US.
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 No.465175

>>465173
Militaries aren't built for the purpose so many think they're made for. If you wanted a military that would win a total war, you wouldn't have the imperial army, but a mass army and a reasonable willingness to accept conscription and make something out of useless grunts. That is the thing military leaders abhor more than anything else, because they like their warrior aristocracy and sense of elitism.

Anyway I mentioned on the other board (before mod faggots deleted all my posts) that US and China have no real reason to engage in a war of any sort. Even the "Trade war" was more performative, as was the "pivot to Asia" from Obama. It's the sort of thing that makes for dinner conversation with the rubes, but anyone serious laughs at that. The matter was settled by Nixon and Mao in the 1970s, and this setup of the global system depends on Asia being held by the CCP. If you're a global oligarch, you love everything coming out of China right now. Xi is president for life and made himself ridiculously safe within the party, does basically everything the oligarchic leadership actually cares about, and the US ruling class press pumps up Xi as the magnificent bastard. Right now, Xi is portrayed as the smartest man in the room, and if you know how to read American agitprop tea leaves, it suggests that they like the situation very much, and no one wants to fuck that up. I have yet to see a good reason why anyone competent would throw away the US-China arrangement, or why China would see Dugin's Eurasian faggotry as anything other than desperation.
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 No.465182

https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=W4EPv59Wo8Y

The Ballooning War Drive Against China
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 No.465318

File: 1676157672597.mp4 (17.26 MB, 1080x1920, Y2Mate.is - How Asian Pare….mp4)

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 No.465375

https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=ZrpaYVztM18

Chinese state media talking about the West's attitude towards helping the Syrian Earthquake victims
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 No.466496

File: 1677702915130.jpg (54.41 KB, 535x299, job aspirations .jpg)

It feels like this is indicative about where a society is heading. Because when the west was rising, children also wanted to become astronauts.

Anybody got a better analysis ?
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 No.466504

File: 1677708231734.jpg (64.92 KB, 634x422, socialism button.jpg)

<BEIJING, March 1 (Reuters) - Plans by China's Communist Party to revive a high-level economic watchdog after two decades signal President Xi Jinping push to increase oversight of the financial sector, analysts say, part of a wider tightening of control by Xi and the party.
<Xi, who secured a precedent-breaking third leadership term in October, is planning to resurrect the Central Financial Work Commission (CFWC), which will be directly under central party leadership, two people briefed on the matter told Reuters.
<A decision to revive the commission may be revealed following the annual gathering of the National People's Congress (NPC), the people said. The NPC, to begin its session on Sunday, is set to confirm a new slate of economic leaders chosen by Xi.
<"Overall, the top leadership is not very satisfied with the situation in the financial sector, and the problem is related to the political stance among the state-owned financial institutions," said Xu, pointing to what he said was frustration among senior party officials that their directives are not properly implemented.
<"Xi throughout wants centralised, vertical power through Party committees that directly report to him," said Alfred Wu, associate professor at the Lee Kwan Yew School of Public Policy at the National University of Singapore.

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/xis-planned-revival-chinese-financial-watchdog-exerts-more-party-control-2023-03-01/
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 No.466555

File: 1677786703716.jpg (63.61 KB, 1200x787, Xi kek.jpg)

The US Neocons made TSMC relocate chip-factories to the US, and the result of that is:

<More than 3,000 semiconductor engineers have departed Taiwan for positions at mainland China companies, the island's Business Weekly reports. Analysts at the Taiwan Institute of Economic Research say this figure appears to be accurate. That amounts to nearly one-tenth of Taiwan's roughly 40,000 engineers involved in semiconductor research and development.


Sauce
https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/China-tech/Taiwan-loses-3-000-chip-engineers-to-Made-in-China-2025
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 No.466556

>>466555
>The US Neocons made TSMC relocate chip-factories to the US
really? this the biggest red flag yet that they are planning to start a war there soon
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 No.466558

>>466556
>really?
yes, they tried to make it look like TSMC was just expanding its operations into the west, but they're unbolting the most advanced stuff from Taiwan and are shipping it to the US

<China War Risk Sees Taiwan’s TSMC Moving Fabs to US, Japan


<At first glance, Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Corp’s plan to build foundries in Japan and the US looks like just another routine business expansion.


<But dig deeper and it quickly becomes clear that these are not just more run-of-the-mill deals.


<Just exactly how TSMC and western nations navigate the away from production heavily concentrated in Taiwan is a delicate balancing act. If it is moved out too quickly or if too much pressure is applied on TSMC to create a supply chain that excludes China, Clifford warns it would cause “serious friction’’ with Beijing.


<TSMC broke ground on a $12 billion plant in the US in June last year and it’s scheduled to start producing 5-nanometer chips in 2024. It may add up to five additional fabs on the site


>Asked how likely it is that 3-nanometer chips will in future be produced in either the US or Japan, a TSMC spokesperson said, “TSMC does not rule out any future possibilities


Sauce
https://www.asiafinancial.com/china-risk-sees-taiwans-tsmc-moving-chip-fabs-overseas


<this the biggest red flag yet that they are planning to start a war there soon

You could certainly interpret this as the imperial bourgeoisie removing all the important stuff from Taiwan before they turn it into a war-zone.
The official line is less ominous, they state that their intent is to hedge their bets in case China cuts off access to Taiwan, securing supply lines so to speak.

It could be both.
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 No.466561

File: 1677793399483.png (29 KB, 854x1499, anti china propaganda mash….png)

you can really see a big jump when the anti china propaganda machine was switched into high gear.
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 No.466572

File: 1677811945917.png (377.97 KB, 596x812, 1677772037052430.png)

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 No.466822

US officials accuse China of "market distorting practices"

The astonishing aspect is that they can still say that without bursting into flames from intense hypocrisy, after unleashing all those market distorting sanctions over the last decade.

https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=BEqmQkKlcjo
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 No.467009

File: 1678470889982.jpg (105.41 KB, 931x931, China Iran Saudis bilatera….jpg)

<Saudi Arabia and Iran agree to resume bilateral ties and reopen embassies after intense negotiations held in Beijing, China

the Middle-East is becoming West-Asia

I guess this is the consequence of the oil-price-cap, the Saudis really didn't like that one.
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 No.467010

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<China's legislature is set to approve an administrative overhaul this week that would put public security, financial regulation and technology – areas now handled by the state – under direct Communist Party control.
<Officials in the State Council, China's cabinet, presented a finance and technology reform proposal to the National People's Congress on Tuesday. It will be officially approved Friday.
<The proposed reforms will create a new Central Financial Work Commission taking over regulation of industries such as banking and insurance, along with some duties of the central bank. A new party-controlled commission will be formed to oversee technology development and education.

https://archive.ph/epf0d

China is turning up the socialism knob in response to the US turning up the big-power competition knob
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 No.467025

>>467010
>Socialism is when an unaccountable elite exerts an increasing amount of control over the lives of everyone
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 No.467029

>>467025
In effect they are regulating big-finance and big-tech.

Consider this:
Large private corporations are organizations that do not grant any influence on their decision making by the general public.
The communist party is a political organization that grants the general public at least some influence.

I think this represents a small net gain of agency for the masses.
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 No.467030

>>467029
Consider this:
So long as it doesn't have a monopoly, you can opt out of purchasing from a corporation, thereby influencing it. Likewise, laws and regulations can be passed, presumptively through electorial and representative means, thereby additionally influencing them.

Also
>The communist party is a political organization that grants the general public at least some influence.
Source: it just does, ok
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 No.467031

>>467029
Socialism is when regulations
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 No.467033

>>467030
>So long as it doesn't have a monopoly, you can opt out of purchasing from a corporation, thereby influencing it.
No this is not real influence, you can only choose from the options that corporations give you. Real influence is when you can influence what choices are being made available. See for example smartphones where the head-phone-jack, removable batteries and sd-card memory, has almost disappeared as an option. It was corporate bureaucracy that decided to remove these features against popular will.

<The communist party is a political organization that grants the general public at least some influence.

>Source: it just does, ok
Outside the comically shrill imperialist narrative of "autotarian totaloltarian rageemes" that can magically remote control a billion people by sheer willpower, it's well understood that all governments are subject to pressure from popular opinion.
Besides that the Chinese communist do practice a form of democratic consent seeking that they call "deliberative democracy"
I don't know how well deliberative democracy works, because it's almost impossible to find out objective information about China because there is so much noise from anti-china propaganda now.

>>467031
>Socialism is when regulations
not as an end-point, but as an intermediate step, it can be.
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 No.467190

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 No.467193

>>467190
Seems legit.
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 No.467199

>>467033
>as an intermediate step, it can be.
Point to a single example in history where a friendlier, regulated capitalism ever led to worker control over the means of production.
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 No.467200

>>467199
Point to a single example in history when anything led to a worker's control of the means of production.
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 No.467201

>>467199
China is not a capitalist country. The Chinese capitalists do not have a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie that puts them above the law. If the Chinese bourgeoisie would attempt to overthrow the Chinese state, they would be put against the wall, imprisoned or exiled.

So given the realities of political power in China, they do have a very good chance at genuinely regulating a private capitalist sector, until it fades away because the capitalist mode of production has been made irrelevant by changes in the material conditions. They aren't weak like social democratic governments in the past where material progress for the conditions of the workers could be reversed. Of course there still is some danger that China will have a regression too, that's always going to remain a possibility until the capitalist mode of production has been rendered non-viable by the motions of history.

It also depends on what is being regulated, the Chinese appear to be reasonably good at regulating the bourgeoisie rather than the behavior of the masses. Of course they do sometimes miss the mark. Recently youth video-game addiction became a problem in China and they put in a state-mandated time-limit for how long Chinese minors can play games. They should have banned the addictive interaction-loops that replicate casino gambling addiction instead.

To answer your question, how is China going to realize worker control over the means of production.
At the moment they aren't really doing that.
I saw someone explain it rather aptly like this:
<capitalism is violence and you can't blame the Chinese for using it as a tool to fight against capitalist imperialism.
It's a concession to material reality where they have to fight against an imperial power that wants to prevent them from developing. At the moment their principle goal is to navigate the decline of the US empire relatively unscathed.

The stuff from this post >>467010 that's a direct consequence of the US's high-tech embargo. The socialist ideological element is mainly that the intervention from the Communist party is to direct development towards what's most suited for advancing the productive forces rather then doing what's most profitable. In that particular area the Chinese communists are orthodox Marxists. Marx thought that socialism needed the most advanced productive forces and they do too. They think that one of the things that brought the Soviet Union down was that it wasn't able to out-tech the US during the cold-war.

If you are in the west you should push for worker control of the means of production because there is no big capitalist power that could existentially threaten the west, but you can't blame the Chinese socialist for making surviving against imperialism their priority.
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 No.467202

>>467201
Spoken like someone from Austin or Boulder.
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 No.467251

>>467201
>Chinese socialist
China is not socialist
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 No.467256

File: 1678937719246.mp4 (2.88 MB, 720x1280, XHQYxe4wyqTXFv80.mp4)

>Facial scanners to control the bike riding bourgeoise
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 No.467259

>>467201
>China is not a capitalist country.
Sure, if you define capitalism in a completely vague, self-serving, mealy-mouthed manner that renders it a functionally useless word. Of course in the real world capitalism is a mode of production where someone invests in materials, tools, land, etc. and worker wages in order to sell the resulting product for more value than they started with–China has all of that in spades.
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 No.467260

>>467256
that AI is awesome
they all look the same
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 No.467367

>>467256
Of course this is a daft idea, but consider that this is most likely a pilot project, where they are doing a trial run. Chinese politics is very experimentalist, they will try out just about everything and ruthlessly scrap the experiments that didn't work out.

It's not like in the west, where once something like this gets installed it's already decided and a done deal and it takes decades of political struggle or sustained vandalism to get rid of it again.
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 No.467368

>>467367
t. Burger without a passport
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 No.467370

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>>467202
>>467368
looks like baiting for personal information
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 No.467834

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China's super rich population drops

<More than 400 people lost their billionaire status last year, most from China, as global monetary tightening, Covid-19 disruptions and Beijing's crackdown on major tech companies hurt the super wealthy, a ranking of the world's wealthiest showed.


<China lost 229 billionaires from the Hurun Global Rich List 2023, accounting more than half of the 445 people who disappeared from the list, which ranks moguls with a minimum net worth of US$1 billion


https://www.todayonline.com/world/chinas-super-rich-population-drops-tech-crackdown-global-factors-hurt-wealth-2136156
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 No.467916

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 No.468194

Radhika Desai on China's modernization, democracy and China-U.S. relations

https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=022gEep6QJw

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