/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

Ok i just have one question: I'm from the US how the fuck does some one flee tyranny to get to china?

Is China still using the word "Marxism" as a synonym for "politics"? Are they still clambering to hire Western neoliberal charlatans in their university economics departments?

>>490348 (OP)
Yeah the anti China propaganda is pretty intense, but generally it's also a bit stupid. They make contradicting claims that China is very weak and about to collapse but also very strong and a big ominous danger.

Many people repeat this stuff online, but they don't believe it, they just make the same noises as the rest of the people in their group to belong.

The people that give it any thought do not see China in a negative light. China has great economic success and improving social conditions. We wish, we had improving conditions.

Marxism is still often mentioned in China, but the CPC is more likely to cosidered it as a source of legitimacy for its own ruling position.We use "Socialism with Chinese characteristics"way more than "Marxism",and "Marxism" way more than "Marx-Leninism" and "Leninsim"
By the way,might be surprising,in our Political propaganda,"Xi Jingping‘s Thought on Socialism with Chinese Characteristics in the New Era"(Long name,isn't it? ALso toooooo long in chinese)is named of "Marxism nowadays",or "Contemporary Marxism".

oops,should I answer all the questions in one reply?
For the first question,it's kind of challenging for normal foreigners to get to china.For example,you need to be a scientist or a sucessful businessman(If Elon Musk wants to get to China, that's simple for him).For proletarians it's hardly to be.But having a 10day tour in China now it's Visa-free.
As a Left-wing dissidents(More specifically, a Maoist),I certainly can't ignore China's economic growth.BUT as for me,that economic growth is based on the re-exploitation of the proletarians,based on the restoration of capitalism, baesd on the inexistence of the eight-hour workday.On the Labor Treatment,we sometime did worser than Western countries.Deng Xiaoping once said"The first rich drive the latter to become rich"，which now seems to be completely lying

>>490351
Oh,and for the "Western neoliberal charlatans",sad to say,but YES,they still do so

>>490354
>oops,should I answer all the questions in one reply?
You can do it how ever you like, but you can click on the number of a post to reply to that specific post.

If you want the green text like i did here you have to put the little pointy symbol in front of it. Read this for more info:
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>>490356
AH thanks, now I get it.

>>490354
>I certainly can't ignore China's economic growth.BUT as for me,that economic growth is based on the re-exploitation of the proletarians,based on the restoration of capitalism, baesd on the inexistence of the eight-hour workday.On the Labor Treatment,we sometime did worser than Western countries.Deng Xiaoping once said"The first rich drive the latter to become rich"，which now seems to be completely lying
I don't think that China had restoration of capitalism. In capitalism the billionaires or powerful companies can tell the government to go overthrow another country so they can loot their resources. For example Elon Musk wanted the Lithium resources in Bolivia for the batteries in Tesla electric cars. Bolivia said that he could have the Lithium on the condition that he build the battery factory in Bolivia. After that the US did try to overthrow the government of Bolivia. A lot of People complained about that online and then Elon Musk replied with "We can overthrow who ever we want" in a social media post.

If for example Jack Ma (which is sometimes compared to Elon Musk) tried to take over China's foreign policy and make the Chinese government attack another country, the Chinese secret police would make him disappear. China restored a market economy and that brought a lot of exploitation and economic equality, but there is no way a bunch of billionaires can tell the Polit buro and the central committee what to do.

To complete the story: the coup in Bolivia failed. I think the Lithium now goes to Brazil where it's used in a BYD factory.

The labor conditions in China are not that bad when you consider that China begun industrializing in the 1940s. The West begun industrializing around the 1780s. That is a 160 years head-start. If you compare China now with the west sometime late in the 19th century, which might be a fair comparison in terms of development time , labor conditions are better in China.

It has gotten very difficult for me to get reliable information from China (at some point the media claimed that the Chinese government was murdering 2 million Muslims in concentration camps, they sometimes just make up horror stories). So my guess, based on possibly incorrect information, is that you would have a good chance to get reforms for better labor conditions.

>>490358
>If for example Jack Ma (which is sometimes compared to Elon Musk) tried to take over China's foreign policy and make the Chinese government attack another country, the Chinese secret police would make him disappear.
Speaking of Jack Ma,actually he once truly said something shows he wants to do so.And of course,our government took actions (not by secret police,my freind) .By imposing Jack Ma a huge amount of fine,which can been seen as a warning to what he said.Jack Ma surely knows what this means,so he faded out of sight for several years.However,early this year,he showed up in a central meeting which Xi himself attended.In china,it's a symbol that he has been forgived.

>China restored a market economy and that brought a lot of exploitation and economic equality, but there is no way a bunch of billionaires can tell the Polit buro and the central committee what to do.
Because in China,the Party is in the completely leading position("东西南北中，党政军民学，党是领导一切的"Sry using chinese here, this is a real propaganda of CPC)The party adopted the method of class conciliation, just like fascism, all unity was subordinated to the party's goal: National Rejuvenation. As for the proletariat, the Party taught them to be obedient and not to rebel against their bosses. Even if their bosses violated the eight-hour work day enshrined in the Labor Law, the government turned a blind eye.Any proletariat who dares to form an unofficial union is considered a political prisoner and thrown into prison.

>China begun industrializing in the 1940s. The West begun industrializing around the 1780s. That is a 160 years head-start.
But during 1960s~1970s,Chinese proletariats once had a way much more better conditions now.Yes,proletariats then were poor,but they were seen as the leader class of the country.However, in 1990s,in the north-eastern part of China,nearly all the people there lost their jobs(In China,we called this"大下岗").Some of them became beggers,some of them headed south and became slaves in the factories there.And here comes the thing:A horrific wave of suicides broke out among the unemployed workers at that time.The most typical example is an unemployed worker then begged for a piece of meat.He drenched in rat poison, and this became the last meal for him and his family, who had been hungry for days.Obviously, Deng is to blame for this shift.

> have a good chance to get reforms for better labor conditions.
This situation has already last for almost half a century.Not only me, most Marx-Leninists in China believe that reform alone cannot change the status quo.Why?Because the real Communist Party of China had already DEAD.Lenin said that the Party is the vanguard of a class,and now CPC is no longer the vanguard of the proletariat, but the vanguard of the bourgeoisie.

Incidentally, I recommend that comrades who are interested in learning more about China read "The History of the Republic"(共和国的历程), written by the Marxist Society of Peking University（北京大学马克思主义学会） (founded by unofficial leftist students and now defunct), which may still be found in the online library.

>>490358
>In capitalism the billionaires or powerful companies can tell the government to go overthrow another country so they can loot their resources.
Capitalism is a mode of production, not "what the rich can do with their plunder".

>>490360
While I do think China's leadership could prioritize shortening the number of hours in the work week, it's pretty clear that they also care about the material well-being of the working class in China.

You can't deny the immense poverty alleviation effort, infrastructure building and (at least to my knowledge) steadily rising salaries, and as the other anon mentioned China doesn't engage in imperialism.

For me, China is a socialist country in the early stages of socialism where both a capitalist and a socialist mode of production co-exist.

Yes there is still exploitation, for me having a nice apartment isn't important if I'm working so much that I'm never home. But I think it's pessimistic to say that the Party is fully captured by capital and fully serves the interest of capital. That just isn't the case if you look at how government operates in the west (which is actually fully subservient to capital).

From an outside perspective, life in China is designed to be a lot more human friendly.

>>490367
Well, my friend, I don't want tolet myself look like a fanatical ideological crusader,So I will agree with you on and only on this point:even China today's socialism with "capitalist overtones" is better than pure capitalism in Western countries. However,as Althusser may argued, it would be a mistake to interpret Marxism from only a humanitarian point of view.It is true that Marxism is humane, but this does not mean that Marxism is chosen only because it is an alternative and better path.As I said at the beginning, I want to have a friendly communication and answer the doubts of foreign comrades about China, not to carry out ideological propaganda.So, I'm not going to try to persuade you to accept bad Chinese rhetoric in a friendly, pan-left community that would be regressive for anyone who has broken Western prejudices.

>>490370
Hey, thanks for replying to my comment. Ultimately I hope that life keeps getting better for you in China. I'm certain it will. As someone from Canada, even though I actually do have friends from China here, I appreciate someone posting with an authentic first person perspective. I think we should be good friends!

How big is your penis?

>>490373
JEEZ That's a sharp question)

When is China going to reform its batshit writing system? I'd like to converse with Chinafriends more but the barrier us is too great :(

What is the role of Chinese history on the current political scene? Do you think a certain degree of Han chauvenism plays a role in manufacturing consent for the current ruling paradigm? Thinking especially of China's historic home-grown authority-worshiping zombie cult, Confucianism.

I also find CPC apologists often leaning into the frankly racist assumption that somehow because China doesn't have much of a history of imperialist ventures that means it couldn't possibly ever become imperialist in the future. How do actual Chinese feel about that when they reflect on history?

>>490377
Well，it’s hard to say we are going to change the writing system that we had used for thousands of years :(
But here’s a fun fact:During 1920s in China, some intellectuals started a movement called”The New Culture Movement”. The most progressive faculty members then said Chinese need to be turn into English.For example “汉语”means Chinese, and if the idea of turn Chinese into English become real,it will become “han yu”
This might sounds fine,but what if we take a look at this sentence:”十狮食石狮”,means “Ten lions eats a stone lion statue”.To turn this into English version,we will have “shi shi shi shi shi”
So changing Chinese writing system isn’t an easy work.

>>490378
It’s not easy to answer these questions,but I will try my best.

First of all,you have to understand how important role Confucianism had played in Chinese history.Sorry for my language,but I have to say,CONFUCIANISM IS TOTALLY A FKING ANTIHUMAN SHIT. One of the most important theorists of Confucianism, Zhu Xi, once proposed "Preserve the natural order and suppress human desires", and this has become the principle in China for nearly ten centuries since him. Any desire that goes beyond the need for survival is regarded as evil. Confucius' own theories were not very good either, and were even worse. The "Tian Xia”（天下，under the sky）theory proposed by Confucianism holds that all regions influenced by Han culture (more precisely, Confucian culture) must submit to the rule of the “Tian Zi”（天子，Son of Heaven）Therefore, the influence of Han chauvenism on Chinese culture is inevitably extremely profound. Of course, today's non-Han ethnic groups enjoy preferential treatment, but there is no doubt that only those non-Han ethnic groups that do not affect the rule of CPC are good citizens. So I won't resolutely say that Han chauvenism has an important impact on today's China. Instead, I think the CPC adopt the attitude that good for its rule（pragmatism）

When it comes to imperialism, "the world" can be regarded as a circle of imperialist spheres of influence. In this sense, China has never lacked the soil of imperialism. Thanks to the increasingly popular nationalist propaganda of CPC over the past decade, Hitler has gradually become a hero among the young. Many people would perform the Nazi salute and mercilessly ridicule the massacre suffered by the Jewish proletariat. It is obvious that both Chinese imperialism and American imperialism are consciously using national consciousness to replace class consciousness. Just as China once criticized the Soviet Union, today's China has also embarked on the path of social imperialism. Sadly, most Chinese people doesn't think this is wrong. On the contrary, they cheer for the way Chinese imperialism acts.

I might have missed some questions because my English proficiency is not very good. I'm sorry about that.

>>490379
Who says it has to use a Romanization system? Very few European languages have anything approaching tonality, which is why Latin letters are a rather limited system to represent Chinese. Why not try something like Hangul with extra marks to indicate tone? When Chinese literature academics have to open a dictionary to find the characters for mundane words in their own language, you know your writing system is fucked. I feel like the entire Chinese writing system was written by nerds at a court to be as esoteric as possible to ensure there was a permanent occupation for scribes among the ruling elite. China needs a writing system for the proles (incidentally, this was the same impetus behind the development of Hangul).

>>490360
>Speaking of Jack Ma,actually he once truly said something shows he wants to do so.And of course,our government took actions (not by secret police,my freind) .By imposing Jack Ma a huge amount of fine,which can been seen as a warning to what he said.Jack Ma surely knows what this means,so he faded out of sight for several years.However,early this year,he showed up in a central meeting which Xi himself attended.In china,it's a symbol that he has been forgived.
Interesting

>Because in China,the Party is in the completely leading position
The US is also a one party state, but it pretends to have 2 parties with lots of political theater. Maybe the Chinese one party state is just more honest about it.

>The party adopted the method of class conciliation, just like fascism, all unity was subordinated to the party's goal: National Rejuvenation.
It's more like social democracy, not fascism. Fascism in practice means national suicide to benefit big bourgeois imperial capital. Like how Ukraine got sacrificed because big bourgeois imperial capital wanted to fracture Russia into 3-5 smaller countries. Or like Israel is getting destroyed because big bourgeois imperial capital wants to use it as a stick to subjugate West Asia (sometimes the region is also called Middle East). Fascist Germany in WW2 was sacrificed because big bourgeois imperial capital wanted to destroy the Soviet Union.

>As for the proletariat, the Party taught them to be obedient and not to rebel against their bosses. Even if their bosses violated the eight-hour work day enshrined in the Labor Law, the government turned a blind eye.
I remember reading about an incident from 5-10 years ago where Chinese workers killed a boss of a company that build railways or something else. Labor conditions were extremely bad. This boss also publicly said "one generation of workers had to be sacrificed for progress" The Chinese police did not intervene while he was being killed and did not persecute anybody after it happened. Correct me if I'm wrong but in the west this was interpreted as the CPC putting capitalists on notice that they could not go too far with exploitation. One of the newspapers that are aligned with Wallstreet complained that the Chinese state was committed to social outcomes.

>This situation has already last for almost half a century.
I begin with a historic comparison.
The Soviet Union took the path where they separated their economy from the capitalist world, that enabled them to have 8h work days and do a lot of other nice social programs, before any other country. However it also meant that they had to develop everything them selves and they had to fight many battles to keep out capitalist invaders (Soviets were invaded 14 times by the west). Many people died. They also had to fight a cold war that forced them to spend too much on weapons which made their economy worse.

China took a different path and opened it's economy to capitalism, that enabled it to adopt new technology, without having to re-invent everything. China suffered fewer attempts at invasion. Very few Chinese have been killed in battle. But the price for that was worse labor conditions and damage to the social fabric like a huge amount of wealth inequality.

> in 1990s,in the north-eastern part of China,nearly all the people there lost their jobs. Some of them became beggers,some of them headed south and became slaves in the factories there.And here comes the thing:A horrific wave of suicides broke out among the unemployed workers at that time
That was also the time when the Soviet Union fell apart and the US was at the peak of it's power. It ruled the world all by it's own. 35 years ago the Chinese economy was not strong and the Chinese military was very weak, because it had very outdated weapons. The US could have destroyed China. The Chinese state made the Chinese workers bribe western imperial capitalists by giving them lots of labor for very little pay and accept bad conditions, because that killed fewer people than fighting a war against the US.

I don't know which path is better. Maybe it was not a choice, maybe China opened up because it did not have many natural resources, but lots of ocean access for shipping ports and maybe the Soviets closed off because they did have lots of natural resources and very little ocean access for shipping. What i do know is that China is now very powerful and it's economy is very strong. No other country can bully China anymore. You are now in the same position as western countries like the US and Europe where you do not have to worry that anybody will invade you, if you struggle to get the 8h work day enforced you will likely get it, the international conditions no longer are the same as in 1990. You do have the advantage that your political system does not tolerate imperialism, which means your capitalists cannot steal money from your society to attack other countries.

Life expectancy for Chinese people has already surpassed that of people in the US, so it seems that the Xi Jinping era has corrected many of the errors from the Deng Xiaping era.

>Because the real Communist Party of China had already DEAD
If You want the western perspective. 125 years ago at the beginning of the 20th century China used to be similar to India. India has developed a little but it remains a very backwards country. Estimated 200-400 million do not have modern sanitation and only partial access to electricity. China by contrast is beginning to look like a science fiction world.

If you want my hard materialist marxist analysis, the next big step in industrial production is going to be fully automated factories. (many will call it "AI-factories" but i will not, because i do not like that label, "AI" means nothing it is a empty marketing-word like "smart"). The PROletariat will become the INSTALletariat. Factories will stop being capital goods and become commodities. They will be broken down into modular components that get transported to industrial areas, where the installetariat sets it up for a production-run and then it gets dismantled and transported to another place where the parts get re-combined in a different way to produce something else.

China has a pretty good chance of winning this round and become the most advanced economy. But reducing the available labor-time that companies can get from workers will be a necessary incentive to automate all the production steps. So it's not just humanitarian. The people who decide about China's policy do seem to care about advancing the productive forces so maybe that's how you can convince them.

When this step is complete humanity will be able to produce 100x as much as today even if people only work 2-3 hours a day and have 3 day weekends. People will not have to work hard to have a nice comfortable life.

>>490365
>Capitalism is a mode of production, not "what the rich can do with their plunder".
OK that's fair.
However consider that while China has a bourgoisie, it is not a dictatorship of the bourgoisie. Otherwise they would become an imperial power, looking to conquer their way to hegemony instead of doing the BRICS thing with "win-win diplomacy" .

It's not capitalism if the capitalists aren't on the thrown.

>>490381
they did a simplified Chinese version that is easier than traditional Chinese.
Can't they just repeat this a few more times and the next iteration becomes simplified simplified Chinese.

>>490381
Ah, I guess I know what you are saying.Actually that’s what people do in Taiwan!(btw I don’t want to talk about is Taiwan a independent country or not here) I’m from mainland so I don’t know how it really worked,so I’m not going to further talk about this.Like Mao once said：“No investigation, no right to speak.”，so I will keep my mouth shut on this topic unless I do some research.
Anyway，that’s a great idea about Chinese writing !

>>490384
Actually we did so,and it’s turned out to be a mess.(simplified simplified Chinese “二简字” what we called in Chinese )

>>490388
>we did so,and it’s turned out to be a mess.
Oh, sad to hear that.
May i ask what made it fail ?

>>490389
Maybe in English, it’s just like the newspeak in the book 1984?

>>490390
So it was deceptive ?

The newspeak in the book 1984 called everything the opposite of what it really was. For example the government office for planning wars was called ministry of peace.

Was it like that ?

>>490382
>I remember reading about an incident from 5-10 years ago where Chinese workers killed a boss of a company that build railways or something else. Labor conditions were extremely bad. This boss also publicly said "one generation of workers had to be sacrificed for progress" The Chinese police did not intervene while he was being killed and did not persecute anybody after it happened. Correct me if I'm wrong but in the west this was interpreted as the CPC putting capitalists on notice that they could not go too far with exploitation. One of the newspapers that are aligned with Wallstreet complained that the Chinese state was committed to social outcomes.
Things like this happens very often then,for example, when a steel enterprise that was once a state-owned company was undergoing privatization, workers broke out in a riot. The final result was that they beat the factory director to death and exposed his body for a march（通钢事件, happened in 2009) Only the leading workers were thrown into the prison.But can we say that this ending was given by the law or the party?Of course not.This outcome was won through the unyielding struggle of the workers, and the cost of another June 4th （The army had already send to the factory）was far higher than that of appeasement. This was the reason why the Party ultimately did not take more extreme actions.The party is very pragmatism now.

>What i do know is that China is now very powerful and its economy is very strong. No other country can bully China anymore.
This question is quite classic: Should we put the country above the people or the people above the country? I'm not judging your point of view, because I can't guarantee that my opinion is definitely correct. Foreign comrades, this is a question worth thinking about.

>the next big step in industrial production is going to be fully automated factories.
Don't forget the Luddite Movement ,my friend.Things like Luddite has happened in China already(In Wuhan, some angry taxi drivers deliberately collided with driverless taxis because they believed that driverless taxis would cause them to lose their jobs ）Nearly every worker I met were afraid of robots will take place of them,and then they will be unemployed.

Thank you for reading my bad grammar comments,and give me such a long reply!
🤝A void handshake from China on the other side of the world .

>>490391
Oh no, it's not that politicized. It's just simply not user-friendly like. What I want to express is that we view simplified simplified chinese as strangely as native English speakers view newspeak.That's all

What's the state of "intellectual property" in China? Is copyright, patenting, etc. receding or gaining strength?

>>490395
Intellectual property rights are receiving increasing attention and protection in China, as stated by the authorities. It's just that in practical applications at present, it still can't be fully realized. In a sense, this is not a bad thing. For instance, if some animations, books or other works are not approved by the government and thus cannot be officially translated into Chinese, there will be some groups known as the “localization teams”that will translate them for free. Although this goes against copyright awareness, people (including me) still believe that it is not a matter and even has communist characteristics. However, even though I am a supporter of the pirate parties，I still have to point out with deep sorrow that many people would brutally claim others' works as their own, and even fail to indicate the original author.

LeftyPol is the worst.
I mean seriously.

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>>490392
>Things like this happens very often then,for example, when a steel enterprise that was once a state-owned company was undergoing privatization, workers broke out in a riot. The final result was that they beat the factory director to death
Chinese workers are hardcore.
>Only the leading workers were thrown into the prison.
>This outcome was won through the unyielding struggle of the workers
>the Party ultimately did not take more extreme actions.The party is very pragmatism now.
You should read about repression against labor in capitalist countries. That will probably make you look at the communist party in China in a different way. Maybe start with the history of what the British empire did to Ireland.

>This question is quite classic: Should we put the country above the people or the people above the country? I'm not judging your point of view, because I can't guarantee that my opinion is definitely correct. Foreign comrades, this is a question worth thinking about.
Look at what happened to countries the US empire overthrew. Libya for example went from the country in Africa with the best standard of living to the re-introduction of slavery. Real slavery where people get bought and sold like farm animals . Or look at what is happening in Syria now that they have toppled the Assad government. It is now run by the leader of the Al Nusra terrorist organization and they're now cutting of the heads of people that believe in a religion they dislike.
If the US could manage to topple the CPC, the hellish punishment that would be unleashed on your people would make the previous examples appear like a pleasant walk on the beach by comparison. Empires are very vengeful, they try to punish people that do not submit.
I would caution against any foolishness.

>Don't forget the Luddite Movement ,my friend.Things like Luddite has happened in China already(In Wuhan, some angry taxi drivers deliberately collided with driverless taxis because they believed that driverless taxis would cause them to lose their jobs ）Nearly every worker I met were afraid of robots will take place of them,and then they will be unemployed.
But you can also configure this technology so that it works as a better tool that workers can use.

>🤝A void handshake from China on the other side of the world .
i reciprocate your handshake in friendship

>>490399
> You should read about repression against labor in capitalist countries. That will probably make you look at the communist party in China in a different way. Maybe start with the history of what the British empire did to Ireland.
I must admit that my view on CPC was indeed a bit too subjective. However, I still firmly believe that China has now embarked on the path of social imperialism. btw，the Great Irish Famine is recorded in Chinese history books as proof that potatoes were an important crop in Ireland at that time (without emphasizing the atrocities of the British Empire).

> If the US could manage to topple the CPC, the hellish punishment that would be unleashed on your people would make the previous examples appear like a pleasant walk on the beach by comparison.
Well,my Chinese comrades also once did a comparison in Chinese imperialist and American imperialist.Chinese workers didn’t have the rights to legally strike or Form a trade union by themselves (The only role of the official union is to give some food to those who join the union during the Spring Festival)However,in America, as far as we know, unions can organize campaigns for better treatment on many occasions, although more often trade union leaders will choose to betray workers.Also we don’t know how low can the lowest salary can be in America,but in China,it’s 8¥(1.12$)per month,and In some extreme cases, there is none at all. Of course, I don’t hope that the United States can turn China into its colony,not at all, theChinese have witnessed how bad the government supported by the United States can be. We have driven that puppet government to Taiwan

>>490399
>Chinese workers are hardcore.
Things even more hardcore happened a lot in the Chinese history. Did you know that the peasant uprisings in China once cooked a detested nobleman alive with venison to make meat soup? Although it has now been proven that this is a legend of the peasants, the legendary peasant leader in history gave a coffin to the eunuch，allowed them to bury that nobleman who was executed after a public trial.This is just a common thing if Chinese people decided to rebel.

>>490402
>I must admit that my view on CPC was indeed a bit too subjective. However, I still firmly believe that China has now embarked on the path of social imperialism.
Social imperialism ? You mean the use of soft-power ? Like building infrastructure in Africa to get influence. Nobody cares, that's fine. The Africans say it's fine.
China is not bombing countries to rubble, it is not using spies to make social upheavals or coups to overthrow governments, it is not waging economic or financial war on other countries, it is not creating starvation in other countries. For a big superpower, China is showing nice behavior.

>Well,my Chinese comrades also once did a comparison in Chinese imperialist and American imperialist.Chinese workers didn’t have the rights to legally strike or Form a trade union by themselves (The only role of the official union is to give some food to those who join the union during the Spring Festival)However,in America, as far as we know, unions can organize campaigns for better treatment on many occasions, although more often trade union leaders will choose to betray workers.Also we don’t know how low can the lowest salary can be in America,but in China,it’s 8¥(1.12$)per month,and In some extreme cases, there is none at all.
The US still has not entirely abolished slavery, they have just put it behind a veil of the private prison complex. The privatized prison owners in the US lobby/bribe the government to pass laws that get more people thrown in jail so they can exploit them as prison labor.

> I don’t hope that the United States can turn China into its colony,not at all, theChinese have witnessed how bad the government supported by the United States can be. We have driven that puppet government to Taiwan
I think you still under-estimate how bad it can get.

The US would not turn China into 1 single colony, it would split China into 20 little colonies. It would install vassal governments that rule those colonies with an iron fist. It would make some of those colonies attack Kazakhstan, Pakistan, Russia, North Korea, Vietnam and perhaps others. It would also make some of those colonies fight against each other, for the purpose to make Chinese people kill other Chinese people. Their goal would be to destroy organized civilization in China, and then prevent it from rebuilding by funding war-lords that make endless civil war. They would do that to prevent China from ever again being able to challenge their imperial rule.

>>490404
>The US still has not entirely abolished slavery, they have just put it behind a veil of the private prison complex. The privatized prison owners in the US lobby/bribe the government to pass laws that get more people thrown in jail so they can exploit them as prison labor.
I once read about some situations in private prisons in the United States, and it was indeed very terrifying

>I think you still under-estimate how bad it can get.
Like what Japanese imperialism once wanted to do.And I have to say,I knew America would do so,because America imperialism is also one of the enemies of the proletariats，one of the enemies of the whole world.

>For a big superpower, China is showing nice behavior.
I know where our differences lie: The United States performed too bad while China still has a certain bottom line due to ideology.

>>490405
>I know where our differences lie: The United States performed too bad while China still has a certain bottom line due to ideology.
What the US empire is doing, is what empires always have done.
China seems to be winning a geo-political power struggle without spilling much blood. That's a first.

>>490420
>China seems to be winning a geo-political power struggle
Propaganda is not real life. Government departments and military contractors want funding but won't get it unless they pretend some urgent threat exists.

Take your time with whichever

1.Is there a three-child policy in China?

2.How severe is the population decline?

3.What is the current gender ratio like?

4.What is your best dating advice for finding a Chinese girlfriend?

5.How popular is the "lying flat"?

6.How are Americans generally viewed?

7.aside from the USA, which countries have strained relations with China?

8. What is the likelihood of China intervening in another nation’s affairs?Which one

9. How probable is it that China will seek to export revolution?

10. How would you describe current China-North Korea relations?

11. In your opinion,What are China’s most pressing social concerns?

12. How do mainland Chinese view Chinese-Americans?

>>490427
1.Yes,we do.

2.It is not yet obvious, but according to the data, perhaps China will face an aging problem as severe as that of Japan.

3.About 100 female：104.3male.

4. For most women, having money is the top priority, followed by appearance, and finally your personality (if you are a foreigner from a wealthy country, or a tall and strong black man , you will get a huge bonus).

5. Most young people, especially those born between 2000 and 2010, have this idea, including me.

6. To a friendly American person,peoples are friendly, then most people will be friendly to him, plus a bit of curiosity. But if an American behaves rudely and overbearing, he will be treated coldly or even with hostility by the Chinese

7.Mostly India,then South Korea and Japan (Although our views on these two countries have changed since Shigeru Ishipo and Lee Jae-myung came to power.But if Shigeru Ishiba also visited the Yasukuni Shrine, I think the relationship between Japan and China would become tense again）

8. The Chinese government will do its best not to interfere in the internal affairs of foreign countries, as long as their internal affairs do not affect the governance of the Chinese government, or their governments invite China to interfere.

9. For now, there are almost none. An important condition for China's accession to the World Trade Organization is that China stops exporting any form of revolution.

10.It is obvious that Kim has his own opinions, choosing to waver between China and Russia to maximize North Korea's own interests, and at present, it seems that North Korea is more inclined towards Russia.

11. Labor treatment and gender conflicts.

12. People would be surprised by a Chinese face who doesn't speak Chinese, but that's all. The rest is just like how they treat pure Americans. However, if a Chinese-American considers Chinese people inferior to him because of his nationality, he will be called a "banana" (with white skin and yellow heart) and will be even more hated by Chinese people.

>>490423
I agree that China is not a threat, and i also agree that the propaganda narrative is BS to get funding for the Military industrial complex.

However it would be dishonest to say that there isn't a geopolitical struggle between the US and China.
China is trying to establish a multi-nodal world order while the US is trying to re-impose a uni-polar world order.

It is also worth noting the difference in strategy. The Chinese are doing a lot of diplomacy and economic linking, while the US strategy is leaving behind destroyed countries in it's wake. In the last 3 years Ukraine and Syria got sacrificed like pawns on the US's imperial chessboard. They probably want to knock over Iran next and are willing to sacrifice their client regimes (including that little fascist collony) in west Asia.

>>490429
>if a Chinese-American considers Chinese people inferior to him because of his nationality, he will be called a "banana"
Interesting, Africans have a similar fruit analogy they call people like that "coconut"
and the native-Americans (Indians) call people like that "apple"

>>490435
people from different countries always have similar sense of humor lol

>>490429
Thank you, here is another question if you are willing. Predictions for the next 5-7 years?
>1.Yes,we do.
Is this policy taken seriously? How effective is it in supporting child-rearing and families?
>5. Most young people, especially those born between 2000 and 2010, have this idea, including me.
Are employment conditions truly that difficult?
>11. Labor treatment and gender conflicts.
Could you expand on labor treatment? and gender conflicts? What are the major grievances from both sides?

>>490478
>Is this policy taken seriously? How effective is it in supporting child-rearing and families?
>Are employment conditions truly that difficult?
These two questions can be answered together. Due to the deterioration of labor conditions (hard work and low pay), people are no longer willing to engage in physical labor.Unfortunately, due to the economic downturn, non-manual labor jobs increasingly require a high level of education (just as it was during the Great Depression in the United States). Meanwhile, as it becomes increasingly difficult to find a good job and the pressure of life keeps growing, the younger generation is less and less willing to have children. Even though there is now a three-child policy to encourage children, the subsidies provided by the policy are far from covering the cost of raising a child.

>Could you expand on labor treatment? and gender conflicts? What are the major grievances from both sides?
Workers have long working hours but low salaries and their wages are often in arrears. The government will not easily assist workers who want to safeguard their rights and interests. When workers are forced to take radical measures to make a living, this is called "malicious wage claim".
As for gender conflicts, it must be frankly said that both men and women have problems. Some crazy extreme feminists constantly incite others, demanding that the entire society must fully serve women, and that women do not have to engage in any labor. Because of these extreme feminists, many people who could have supported gender equality were scared away and turned to the extreme male chauvinism. In this vicious circle, the conflicts between men and women are escalating. In this way, the male proletariat and the female proletariat were so busy quarrelling with each other that they ignored the bourgeoisie riding on their heads :(

>>490484
>Some crazy extreme feminists constantly incite others, demanding that the entire society must fully serve women, and that women do not have to engage in any labor.
It's funny because second-wave feminism in the United States was all about women going into the workplace and winning the same treatment as men as workers. It succeeded because there was a material shift that supported it: in the '70s and '80s American wages stagnated to such an extent that it was no longer possible to support a family on the income of a single parent. Women were forced into the workplace to be wage slaves just like men and the feminists thought they had won a big victory. Curious if you can identify a material force that accompanies the current gender conflicts in China.

>>490485
This is an article from 1943. I think it accurately summarizes the current situation of the feminist movement in China today. For instance, the article states that some feminists only know how to shout empty slogans and favor women.
In today's China, women who are truly involved in labor do not make such remarks. Instead, it is often middle-class women who support these claims. We call these women "little fairies" because they are so impractical.
The action you mentioned about women striving for equal labor treatment has already been realized in China (the "women can hold up half the sky" in the Mao‘s era).
However, when women's labor rights are increasingly being infringed upon, the voices of the working women who truly need to speak out are instead drowned out by these "little fairies".It is precisely because of these "little fairies" that the conflicts between men and women have become increasingly serious

>>490348 (OP)
What are your recommended essential books on Chinese statecraft, warcraft, and spycraft?

What about the essentials for understanding Chinese culture, philosophy, and psychology?

Thank you!

As a foreign comrade in the U.S., have found China to be quite mysterious due to contradictory progaganda over the years. I see China as biding their time for capitalist nations to cannibalize themselves, avoiding conflicts as much as possible as recommended by Sun Tzu. Have read China is becoming more Americanized, with the youth embracing Halloween(with it being mostly restricted or banned), rap(before being banned), and 90s sitcoms(rumored to be circulated underground). Also read the government suppresses unions/workers to avoid Western bureaucratic pitfalls and excessive middle men. Have also heard the chinese are more liberal with their racism, though not as hateful or grudging with it and it is not as taboo to criticize whatever minority groups.

Regarding China's socialist aspects, they seem to be very fickle, given their actions during the Cold War and inaction afterwards, The chinese seem to be nationalists dipped in red. Heard from Chinese-American (who admires modern China but detests socialism) argue that Marxism conflicts with Chinese culture and is antithetical and only a label at this point. Personally, given the fact of seeing enough videos of Chinese industrial workers getting crushed and maimed, it seems socialism is only an aesthetic at this point with the poor work conditions.

Overall, see China as the lesser of many evils not a savior

>>490526
Since you didn't get a reply from OP i'll try.

>What are your recommended essential books on Chinese
>statecraft
Xii Jinping wrote a book about that. Can't recall the title, sry. Could be something like 'Governance of China in the modern era.'
>warcraft
Historic: Sun Tzu (as you mentioned) and Mao
Modern: i got nothin

>essentials for understanding Chinese culture, philosophy, and psychology?
i got nothin on that either

>I see China as biding their time for capitalist nations to cannibalize themselves, avoiding conflicts as much as possible
That is their attitude for the world at large, but they do want 'the string of Perls' aka the military encirclement by the US removed.

>The chinese seem to be nationalists dipped in red.
They don't export the revolution, true. Their contribution to socialist projects in other countries is that they continue trading with them, negating weaponized isolationism.

> it seems socialism is only an aesthetic at this point
It's lower stage socialism. They have social wins like dramatic poverty reduction, really good public infrastructure, really steep rise in wages/living standards and expanding public services. They're genuinely striving towards 'real' socialism at a snails pace.

>argue that Marxism conflicts with Chinese culture and is antithetical and only a label at this point.
Marxism is the word for politics in China, that is a win by it self. But there is a big BUT. Not all of it is in Marx#s spirit. Marxism is not a culture dependent phenomenon.

>>490526
Sorry for not replying to you in a timely manner.

>What are your recommended essential books on Chinese statecraft, warcraft, and spycraft?
For the official governance methods in China, you can choose to read "Xi Jinping Talks about Governance", which has an official English translation.As for the warcraft and spycraft sections, to my knowledge, there are no official books specifically introducing these topics, as these strategic issues are not so openly discussed in China.However, you may be able to search for websites and magazines aimed at Chinese military enthusiasts, where you may find the answers you are looking for。

>What about the essentials for understanding Chinese culture, philosophy, and psychology?
If you want to have a detailed understanding, then there are plenty of things you need to read.But the simplest way, as the comrade who answered for me said, Mao's books can help you quickly understand all of this.By the way, you can also read some books by Lu Xun, as he is widely recognized as one of the most revolutionary writers of the early 20th century in China.

Yes, young people in China consider some customs from foreign countries as fashionable, but I don't think it's a bad thing. Just like foreigners sometimes celebrate the Chinese Spring Festival, I think it has closed the gap between people in different countries.It's just that the consumerist atmosphere inside makes me feel a bit…nah
Unfortunately, if I understand correctly, you seem to have made some mistakes about the situation of Chinese trade unions. China's suppression of trade unions has not solved the problems of bureaucracy or intermediaries. The government only suppresses workers who organize unofficial trade unions to protect their rights, while government established trade unions do not work for workers' rights at all.And yes, China allows complaints from the public about minority groups because the goverment needs to divert people's attention

Simply put, Mao appeared to be a nationalist because he needed China to serve socialism (Stalin's theory of building socialism in one country).And those who after him, in my opinion, regarded socialism as a tool to serve the Chinese nation.So when some principles of socialism hinder the strength of the Chinese country, these people can abandon socialist principles without hesitation. This situation clearly constitutes revisionism.

>Overall, see China as the lesser of many evils not a savior
I strongly agree with this statement

>>490551
>They don't export the revolution, true. Their contribution to socialist projects in other countries is that they continue trading with them, negating weaponized isolationism.
During the Mao era, China provided support to other revolutionary forces in Asia, even aiding Albania in Europe.However, after that, as a price for joining the World Trade Organization, China officially gave up exporting revolution and only did business with countries around the world.

>It's lower stage socialism. They have social wins like dramatic poverty reduction, really good public infrastructure, really steep rise in wages/living standards and expanding public services. They're genuinely striving towards 'real' socialism at a snails pace.
In the eyes of the left-wing in China, just like Brezhnev's "developed socialism", the primary stage is completely a deceitful lie

Thank you for your reply on my behalf. It was very accurate.