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 No.457563[Last 50 Posts]

Last one is full and the worst thread on leftychan must be contained.

In recent news: Ukies done a successful counteroffensive in Izium, Z gang now in shambles. Biden promises even more money for Ukraine. Putin meets Xi, Erdogan, Modi and others at the SCO summit.


Pro-Russia sources:
https://nitter.net/RWApodcast
https://nitter.net/mdfzeh
https://nitter.net/AZmilitary1
https://nitter.net/wargonzoo
https://nitter.net/TheHumanFund5
https://t.me/intelslava
https://t.me/asbmil
https://t.me/vorposte

Pro-Ukraine sources:
Everywhere else
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 No.474876

>>474843
>Look at this person with a swastika tattoo with no material connection to the long destroyed 3rd Reich. This proves that Ukraine is a Nazi state!
>Russia committing war crimes in Ukrine, whadya gonna do?
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 No.474877

>>474876
>Pay no attention to the obvious outspoken Nazis celebrating WW2 nazis like Bandera
>Believe what the lying and biased media tells you about current-year boogieman.
>trust our narrative despite all the censorship

No.
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 No.474893

>>474877
>Believe what the lying and biased media
Russian subhumans are on video killing civilians, zigger. We don't need the media to tell us ziggers need to be exterminated.
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 No.474897

>>474893
>racist screeching noises
it's getting boring
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 No.474900

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 No.474901

>>474900
They are just so obviously a fat dude with tits wearing a wig lmao
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 No.474902

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>>474901
What is this though
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 No.474903

>>474902
you just don't understand sovlful aryan cvltvre, pajeet
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 No.474904

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>>474903
forgot pic
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 No.474906

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transhumanist former spokesperson for Ukringe goes mask off, claims that Russian aren't human. Very ironic coming from 'her'

https://twitter.com/KanekoaTheGreat/status/1707130990882332908?t=B0HY8zLI47OV39-5EMn14w&s=19
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 No.474907

>>474906
>2
Am I supposed to disagree? It's true.
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 No.474909

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update
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 No.474910

>>474909
Yep, still losing.
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 No.474911

>>474902
>Viking
LMAO
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 No.474912

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New Wunderwaffe dropped. I feel this is it Ukrobros, this is the one that will bring the Russian military to its knees! Slava Ukraini!
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 No.474913

>>474912
The Spring Offensive is commencing!
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 No.474914

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 No.474917

>>474914
>russian propaganda rag
nice try, nazoid. you stupid vatniks will believe anything. what's next? TASS? RT? lol
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 No.474919

>>474914
>Since Jan 1
And what happened from September to December las year, pidor?
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 No.474920

>>474912
<kayak with a grenade launcher
Wonder-why-weapons

Targeting a indirect fire weapon from a tiny unstable boat.
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 No.474921

>>474906
>>474907
Look at it from the other side. Many Russians probably read western news and social media posts online. A lot of Russians who were on the fence about whether or not to support the war effort probably saw the avalange of posts that either deny them humanity outright or only granted them conditional humanity. That probably generated a lot of domestic support for Moscow's course in the Ukraine conflict.
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 No.474922

>>474921
>Mean comments about Russian imperialism in Ukraine made me support Russian imperialism in Ukraine
Sounds like a lot of the same crying heard from Nazis in the west. Russians can choose to stay human or behave like animals. If that offends you enough to side with the animals, then you deserve the same treatment. We can worry about the well-being of Russians after they stop their warmongering.
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 No.474923

>>474922
You can't be the one that decides about who gets to be human or not. You would be putting your self above others, which won't fly.

From the Russian point of view you are not lecturing them about morals, because they did not grant you any moral authority. To them you are just threatening them with arbitrary mistreatment when you say they are animals. And from their vantage point it's rational to smash a country in order to deter you.
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 No.474924

>>474922
I think the reason you're so quick to whip out the Nazi accusations, is because you hope to distract from the fact of the collaboration with the Bandera and Azov types, which even the mainstream media labeled as Nazis before feb 2022.
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 No.474926

>>474923
>You can't be the one that decides about who gets to be human or not.
No. Russians can decide that for themselves. There is a standard they can meet it or not.
>From the Russian point of view
If the Russian point of view cannot see that invading its neighbors and killing civilians is wrong, if they cannot see that Ukraine is not their country, then they are not human. No point of view that denies Ukrainians the right to exist deserves the same consideration in turn. Yes they deserve to die, and I hope they burn in Hell.
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 No.474927

>>474924
Yes, yes, Bandera Donetsk children Ukronazi Jews. Cry about it.
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 No.474928

>>474926
>i decide the standard that Russians have to conform to
The Russians have the firepower to blowup attempts at imposing on them in this manor. How many more people have to die for you to swallow you arrogance and engage with them as equals ?
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 No.474929

>>474927
>nazi jews
yes, they exist
see israel for example
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 No.474930

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>>474928
The Russians had a chance to be engaged as equals. They do not want this. Ukraine refuses to be slaves to Russians. Russians can go back to being humans when they leave Ukraine, and no sooner.
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 No.474933

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 No.474943

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>>474930
let's take advice about humanity from the guy who hates half of it. also he's fat and gay
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 No.474947

>>474922
>>474926
You're full of impotent rage lol. You shake your tiny fists at the screen, yet nothing changes. You're seething so much that you've repeated yourself a 100 times.
>Russians are animals
>Russians are subhuman
Yeah, we get it. You have a small dick and feel powerless while your Ukronazi friends are dying in some trench in the middle of nowhere. You're not even a socialist, you're only here because the only way you can contribute to Ukraine is by seetheposting on some random forum visited by like 10 people.

You wake up, go on r/ukraine and r/worldnews, get boosted by the echochamber then come here all confident and write Neo-Nazi diatribes because you know you can't do it so openly on reddit.

Ukraine is losing, Ukraine will lose. The only thing that matters is how much Ukraine will lose. If Ukraine keeps fighting until their army collapses, they will not have any bargaining chips left and will have to unconditionally surrender.

I think it is much better for Ukraine to settle now. Although, I'm afraid it's too late. After this Fall 2022 Winter 2022 Spring 2023 Summer 2023 offensive is over Ukraine is going to ask for a ceasefire and scream genocide when Russia denies it and decides to liberate the four newly annexed regions fully.

If Ukraine keeps pushing their luck and continue being little bitches, Russia will push to Odessa and cut you out of the Black Sea and land-lock you. Then you'll be really fucked.
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 No.474949

>>474947
>You shake your tiny fists at the screen, yet nothing changes
>Implying I want it to change
The aid isn't stopping and ziggers are dying, but stay mad e-psychoanalyst.
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 No.474950

>>474949
It looks like they're going to turn off the tap for Ukraine after the US elections are over.
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 No.474953

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>>474949
>THE AID ISN'T STOPPING… IT CAN'T STOP… TRUST ME GUYS IT WILL NEVER STOP… it won't… it-ACK
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 No.474957

>>474950
Now who's shaking his fists hoping the world changes?
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 No.474963

>>474950
kek

you know you're winning when your only hope is that your enemy gets tired of kicking you
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 No.474964

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update
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 No.474965

>>474957
Still you, Nato is turning off the tap because weapons depots are nearly empty

>>474963
Russia is winning because Ukraine is loosing the attrition war, how can you still not grasp that this conflict revolved around depleting the other sides capacity to wage war.
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 No.474966

>>474964
Yup, still losing.
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 No.474967

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 No.474968

>>474965
>Still you, Nato is turning off the tap because weapons depots are nearly empty
I predict this will happen in between 13 and 15 days, cumrade.
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 No.474974

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>>474967
Mearscheimer predicts that once the attrition phase is over that Russia will take roughly 50% of Ukraine's territory
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 No.474976

>>474974
>Mearscheimer predicts
demilitarization by 2050
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 No.474977

>>474976
You might not be entirely wrong, Russians could be dragging this out on purpose. The neocons want to start a Sino-US war over Taiwan next. 2025-2027 are the dates that are being tossed around for that. For the Russians it means the US's attention goes elsewhere which makes their operation encounter less resistance. And if the US happens to fight a 2 front war, it weakens as a geopolitical rival.
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 No.474978

>>474974
Yes, still waiting for his prediction that Russia would not invade to come true.
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 No.474979

>>474974
I doubt it. Haven't seen much activity in a year. Unfortunately with cucktin what it has seems to be pretty close to what it will keep. This could be good for the KPRF in the next Duma election depending on how hawkish they want to be.
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 No.474981

>>474978
Still waiting for you to produce a citation where he every said anything like that. Considering Mearsheimer had been predicting an inevitable military conflict over NATO's expansion for at least the last decade.
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 No.474982

>>474979
>Haven't seen much activity
The Russians are doing a huge military buildup in the rear, that's why it looks like they are preparing for an advance.
>could be good for the KPRF in the next Duma election
It doesn't look like the KPRF would challenge Putin a.t.m., he's doing industrial revival which has shifted the Russian economy towards Belarus' model and the ukro-fascists are getting artilleryed and misseled, it's not exactly what the KPRF wants but it ticks a lot of their boxes. Tho it would be hilarious to see the liberals flip out if the Russians told them Ukraine was occupied soviet territory that was in the process of being liberated.
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 No.474983

>>474982
I agree. It's unfortunate that the KPRF who's spearheaded something of an smo for years is now taking a back seat to Putin. I agree though that it would be political suicide at this point to go against Putin with his popularity at this time. Maybe when he keels over as long as they aren't implicated. As for an offensive I guess we'll have to wait and see.
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 No.474984

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 No.474985

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>>474984
oink about it
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 No.474986

>>474985
who are you bullshitting, you work in the same building shilloid
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 No.474987

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>>474986
>projecting this hard
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 No.474989

>>474981
>“If you really want to wreck Russia, what you should do is to encourage it to try to conquer Ukraine. Putin is much too smart to try that.”
He literally said that.
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 No.474990

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The west will abandon Ukraine any minute now. I predict half a month.
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 No.474991

>>474990
The west isn't supporting Ukraine

It's field testing weapons, offloading shoddy material, and pumping orders for PMCs.

Ukraine is just a pawn in this.
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 No.474992

>>474990
UK has backed itself into a corner and will have to choose to either back down or bring in it's own forces. We'll have to see how it develops but for now this seems like a nothingburger. You can already tell the broad West is losing interest by just allowing Ukraine to open it's own weapons production like with the new wunderwaffe CZ rifle \k\opers are screaming about. Unless the collective West also supplies raw materials for these facilities it will merely be a way out.
>look how Ukraine failed us oh those poor Ukranians… oh well nothing we can do about it now. Let's go watch the next Captain America!
Afghanistan cope 2.0
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 No.474994

>>474990
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/grant-shapps-ukraine-british-rishi-sunak-defence-secretary-b2421844.html
<PM insists no plan to send British troops for training in Ukraine ‘here and now’
>Rishi Sunak has made clear that Defence Secretary Grant Shapps’ suggestion that British troops could train forces in Ukraine is not for the “here and now” during the war against the Russian invasion.
>The Prime Minister on Sunday ruled out UK forces going to Ukraine and said that the recently appointed political head of the Ministry of Defence was discussing possible plans for the “long term”.
>“And what the Defence Secretary was saying was that it might well be possible one day in the future for us to do some of that training in Ukraine,” the Prime Minister said.
ZRADAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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 No.474995

>>474994
>But, on a visit to Burnley ahead of the Tory party conference getting under way in Manchester, Mr Sunak said he wants to be “absolutely clear” about the situation following “some misreporting”.
ukrosisters this can't keep happening…
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 No.474996

>>474990
>The west will abandon Ukraine any minute now. I predict half a month.

The question is what will Russia do, are they going to take a few more oblasts to increase their nato-buffer-zone a bit. Or are they going to drive all the way to the Russian boarder ?
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 No.474997

>>474996
Russia doesn't have any offensive capability left, and it's going to lose the rest of what it's holding in Ukraine.
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 No.474998

>>474996
>drive all the way to the Russian boarder
drive all the way to the Polish boarder
fixed

>>474997
>Russia doesn't have any offensive capability left
That was one of the initial goals the neocons wanted to achieve by provoking this war. They thought Russia only had a limited stockpile and if they could instigate a war in Ukraine that Russia would "blow it's load" and that would be it. But the Russians do have a sizeable heavy industry, they even have dedicated chip production for their military. Baikal Electronics and MCST (which are domestic Russian chip-makers) are apparently making 28nm chips. That's a rather dated process-node, commercial production in 28nm began in 2011. But it's probably good enough for military supply.

The Russians have ramped up production significantly, and began a massive military build up behind the defensive line they are holding in Ukraine. People are wondering what that giant force buildup is intended for. It sure looks like it's for capturing more territory.

If they are intending to push further into Ukraine it's probably because they want to prevent rearmament of Ukraine. That said it could be timed to coincide with the US ukro pull-out.
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 No.474999

>>474998
Listen guy, I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but even the most generous estimates of Russian defense production only peg it in the mid 20% area. Russia is spent, and this is why they are losing artillery advantage. This is why they went from firing 20-50k shells per day to firing about 6k of increasingly low-precision and in spent barrels. Russia will lose this war. There is no question about this. The only thing that remains is to see how long they'll persist in their delusion that the Russian World will come into being.
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 No.475000

>>474999
lol, all you do is lie
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 No.475001

>>474999
>they went from firing 20-50k shells per day to firing about 6k
FYI they were firing 20-70k per day
The Ukrainian counter offensive is winding down, there simply aren't as many targets for Russian artillery. Would you have them pound holes into random fields just to prove they're not out of shells ?

>delusion

funny you would say this.
Russia is now stronger militarily than before the war, their heavy weapons production increased dramatically the numbers of soldiers in their military increased and the number of highly trained soldiers with combat experience has increased (Russia did not loose many people fending off the Ukrainian offensive). Now is probably the strongest the Russian military has been ever since the dissolution of the Soviet Union
They're also seeing economic up-winds because economic sanctions forced western companies to vacate Russian markets and allow Russian companies to grow into the void they left behind.

It's as if the rest of the world has figured out how the neocons tick, and now everything they try backfires, because everybody figured out how to exploit their pattern.
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 No.475002

>>475000
>>475001
>there simply aren't as many targets for Russian artillery.
That's really weird considering the rate at which Ukrainian counter-battery fire is destroying Russian guns, and considering there is a sizeable amount of forces currently maneuvering through what used to be Russian defensive lines. I'd say there's plenty to hit, especially if Russia wanted to advance and actually control the regions it supposedly annexed.
>Russia is now stronger militarily than before the war
Then why is it sending guys out in T-55s? Why can't Russian AA systems defend Sevastopol to the point where they decided to move their ships instead, and why is it that Russia has not made an offensive move since last year? It's almost like they've run out of steam and are just trying to hold what they have and failing.

But do not worry. You do not have to believe me, since your belief in my claims do not determine the facts on the ground. The facts on the ground determine this, and even if we were all to believe your propaganda, Russia would still lose this war. You cannot stop this.
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 No.475003

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>>475002
>It's over, Russia is finished this time!
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 No.475004

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>>475002
>Then why is it sending guys out in T-55s?
That's Ukraine. lol
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 No.475005

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>>475004
akiktualleh those are highly effective modernized space Lazer thermal optic Hitler2 upgraded tanks that are impervious to Russian attack built from the ground up off of the t55 platform. Unlike the "upgraded" ork dakka untermensch tanks fielded by puccia!
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 No.475006

>>475004
Ukraine wasn't hailed as the second most powerful military in the world. The fact that Russians are riding in T-55s means that this supposed production will never keep up with demand at the front.
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 No.475007

>>475006
https://archive.is/20230915044932/https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/13/us/politics/russia-sanctions-missile-production.html
>Before the war, one senior Western defense official said, Russia could make 100 tanks a year; now they are producing 200.
<Western officials also believe Russia is on track to manufacture two million artillery shells a year — double the amount Western intelligence services had initially estimated Russia could manufacture before the war.
>As a result of the push, Russia is now producing more ammunition than the United States and Europe. Overall, Kusti Salm, a senior Estonian defense ministry official, estimated that Russia’s current ammunition production is seven times greater than that of the West.
<Russia’s production costs are also far lower than the West’s, in part because Moscow is sacrificing safety and quality in its effort to build weapons more cheaply, Mr. Salm said. For instance, it costs a Western country $5,000 to $6,000 to make a 155-millimeter artillery round, whereas it costs Russia about $600 to produce a comparable 152-millimeter artillery shell, he said.
this kills the nafoid
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 No.475008

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 No.475009

>>475007
Russia lost 2300+ tanks in a year and change. It doesn't matter that they can make 200 tanks, especially since they aren't making their most modern tanks and had to restart T-80 production. It will never be enough. Russia is going to lose this war. It's only a matter of time.
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 No.475013

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>>475009
>Russia lost 2300+ tanks in a year
<tfw you're so drunk on hohol propaganda you start believing in numbers higher than what they claim
even the ukrops themselves only claim ~1600 lmao, take your meds retard
https://nitter.cz/KyivIndependent/status/1609484507572310016
https://nitter.cz/KyivIndependent/status/1708461013039763460
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 No.475014

>>475013
Do you not know any math? Your infographic says 4700+ lost tanks. In a little over a year and a half. The two year mark isn't until February, pidor. In either case, that loss rate still outstrips Russian production capacity.
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 No.475015

>>475013
Nevermind that the Kyiv "independent" is a notorious liar for the Ukraine regime.
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 No.475020

>>475009
>Russia lost 2300+ tanks
According to hyper biased pro Ukrainian sources. So it's probably not true.

>they can make 200 tanks

They build over 200 new tanks but in addition they refurbish and upgrade 500 old ones. So they're bringing over 800 tanks online per year.

>It will never be enough.

It's probably more than enough, Russia builds more industrial weapons than NATO at the moment.

>a matter of time.

Time seems to be on Russia's side tho.
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 No.475021

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>>475020
>According to hyper biased pro Ukrainian sources. So it's probably not true.
Nope. These are visually confirmed. Feel free to point to any one of them as fake.
>They build over 200 new tanks but in addition they refurbish and upgrade 500 old ones. So they're bringing over 800 tanks online per year.
Nope. It said Russia is producing 200 tanks, of various old models. You didn't show refurbishment numbers. I suspect you're pulling them out of your ass.
>It's probably more than enough, Russia builds more industrial weapons than NATO at the moment.
Yeah, how many Su-57s are there? How many F-22? F-35? How many new guns are they making? Because it seems Russian machinists can't even get centered on a barrel blank for their artillery.
>Time seems to be on Russia's side tho.
Is that why they're constantly asking for a ceasefire to the point that they asked for a Christmas truce? It would be funny if it weren't so pathetic. Russia is slowly losing, and there's nothing you can do to stop that. By the way, in case you hadn't done the math, 2 million shells, of all types, I might add, equal out to around 6k rounds per day if they can get those to where they are needed. Sorry, but Russia cannot keep up with demand for their doctrinal way of doing things. Just thought I'd let you know before you get too impressed with the 2mil number.
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 No.475023

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>>475021
>zomg guys look at all these totally visually confirmed losses which totally do not link to the same images several times or Twitter posts as a source!
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 No.475027

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>>475014
if you believed Ukrainian propaganda, you'd think Russia has no tanks, no artillery and only 60.000 troops left. lol
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 No.475028

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 No.475029

>>475021
>By the way, in case you hadn't done the math, 2 million shells, of all types, I might add,
do you have to type like such a faggot?
>equal out to around 6k rounds per day
that's 2 million/year PRODUCED, it means that they are producing enough to shoot 6k a day IF THEY ONLY USED WHAT THEY PRODUCED, obviously they also use what they already have stockpiled, retard
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 No.475030

>>475021
>Nope. These are visually confirmed.
Not sure what that means, did somebody post pictures of destroyed tanks on social media and claim it was Russian or something ? Ukrainians used a lot of Soviet era tanks, which look virtually identical to the soviet era tanks the Russians use. They could be counting their own losses as Russian losses. I'm going by pro-Ukrainian biased sources being known for wildly overstating Russian losses, and therefor i'm not going to take their numbers at face value.
>It said Russia is producing 200 tanks
Apparently they make over 200 new tanks and over 500 refurbished old stock or battle-repairs.
> how many Su-57s are there? How many F-22? F-35?
Obviously the US has a much larger air-force than Russia. However, it's not like the US could concentrate all of it in Ukraine, the US has what they call "global obligations". The amount of air-power the US can project into Ukraine is limited, and the Russians do have very large numbers of very sophisticated integrated air-defence systems. If the US were to directly engage the Russians in air-combat, that would cause a major escalation, and the US would loose a lot of planes. Many F35s are not combat ready, they still haven't ironed out all the bugs of that series. It seems more like both sides would come out badly bloodied from that battle.
>Is that why they're constantly asking for a ceasefire
The Russians were indeed asking for ceasefires for a long time , but recently they changed their tune, they issued an ultimatum that either Ukraine surrenders or the Ukrainian state ends. At the moment it is NATO that is asking for a cease fire with what they call a "frozen conflict". The Russians appear to be confident that they will prevail.
>Russia cannot keep up with demand
There has been no indications that the Russians had any problems supplying their military with munitions. Ukraine on the other hand is short on everything. So you are projecting.
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 No.475031

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>>475030
>recently they changed their tune, they issued an ultimatum that either Ukraine surrenders or the Ukrainian state ends
Any day now, z-bros. It isn't even our final form.
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 No.475032

>>475023
Putting a soyjak over them won't make them go away.
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 No.475033

>>475027
Good thing I'm not citing those numbers. These are visually confirmed. There may be more, but there aren't less.
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 No.475034

>>475028
Can you link these from the oryx page?
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 No.475035

>>475030
>ot sure what that means, did somebody post pictures of destroyed tanks on social media and claim it was Russian or something ?
As well as geo-locate, catalog and confirm that they are indeed Russian. Almost every kill on the Oryx list has multiple images attached to it from different angles. So far nobody has been able to point at a kill and say that it was incorrectly tagged. Feel free to prove otherwise. Again 2300+ is the bottom limit for lost tanks never mind other types of equipment.
>Ukrainians used a lot of Soviet era tanks, which look virtually identical to the soviet era tanks the Russians use. They could be counting their own losses as Russian losses.
This is the usual cope, but nobody has proven this to be the case.
> I'm going by pro-Ukrainian biased sources being known for wildly overstating Russian losses, and therefor i'm not going to take their numbers at face value.
You don't have to. They have images and geolocation as well as times they were found. Those are Russian losses. Feel free to prove otherwise.
>Apparently they make over 200 new tanks and over 500 refurbished old stock or battle-repairs.
I've asked you before, where are you getting your refurbishment numbers? Also, the source you cited never said "new tanks." You've added that all by yourself.
>Obviously the US has a much larger air-force than Russia
And is able to produce more advanced planes and components faster, as well as everything else required for a modern military.
>Russians do have very large numbers of very sophisticated integrated air-defence systems.
Like the S-400s that can't stop old cruise missiles from reaching Sevastopol?
> If the US were to directly engage the Russians in air-combat, that would cause a major escalation, and the US would loose a lot of planes.
I think you would be very surprised because the first air assets arriving from the US would be tomahawk cruise missiles in enough numbers to overwhelm air defenses. You know, what the Russians were incapable of doing in February 2022.
>Many F35s are not combat ready, they still haven't ironed out all the bugs of that series. It seems more like both sides would come out badly bloodied from that battle.
Nope. Judging by the Russian performance against just Ukraine, I'd say the US would wipe the floor with the Russians in a conventional conflict.
>The Russians were indeed asking for ceasefires for a long time , but recently they changed their tune, they issued an ultimatum that either Ukraine surrenders or the Ukrainian state ends
They already tried that. It didn't work. This angle fell apart last year after Russian forces were forced out of Kyiv. Russia does not have the capability to carry out this threat.
>At the moment it is NATO that is asking for a cease fire with what they call a "frozen conflict"
NATO has not called for that, and every member nation sending aid right now is acknowledging Ukraine's right to its borders. Nobody is coming to help you, pidorashka.
>The Russians appear to be confident that they will prevail.
They wouldn't be asking for a ceasefire if that were the case.
>There has been no indications that the Russians had any problems supplying their military with munitions.
Except the amount of videos and telegram posts coming out and stating as much. We know they're using old tanks as artillery because they've run out of shells and are running out of guns. This is not going to slow down and it's not going to stop.
>Ukraine on the other hand is short on everything. So you are projecting.
Ukraine is fighting on hand-me-downs from western powers. I'm not surprised they're short on everything, and yet they are more effective than the Russians. What do you think that says about the Russian military?
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 No.475037

>>475031
I guess you'll ignore the risks that the Ukrainian state could go away, because ultimately you don't care about the fate of Ukrainians.

>>475035
>Look at the picture collection of tank-wrecks.
I can't validate those pictures, i don't know anything about tank-wrecks. I will not put any trust in pro-Ukranian sources because they tried to pass of ridiculous propaganda like video-game footage as genuine. I have no reason to trust these figures. You haven't given me any reason why the Ukranians wouldn't try to pass off their soviet era tanks losses as Russian.
>where are you getting your numbers
I think it was Mercouris citing a WaPo article, i can't really send you the articles because WaPo is pay-walled.
>And is able to produce more advanced planes and components faster
I would say the US has the technical know-how to engineer the most advanced jet fighters, but the F35 ain't it. That one is just complex, not advanced. Multi-tool concepts always compromise performance for a long feature list. It's ok if you're pocket-tool has a lack-luster screw driver-set and a tiny dull knife, because it competes with having no tools at all. I wouldn't expect the F35 to do well in peer-combat.
The US's military supply lines are a lot less stream-lined than the Russian ones. Not that long ago they figured out that some moderately critical F35 component was being manufactured exclusively in China. The Russians on the other hand have a entirely domestic production for their military gear, in very large industrial parks, which makes their design to production pipe-line much shorter. They're definitely faster.
>the S-400s
It's a very potent system, it set a new record for the longest range jet interception. Russian air defense systems have been very effective at shooting down missiles too. Take into account the relatively sophisticated guided missiles with interception-counter-measures they shot down. For comparison the Israeli Iron dome system still has difficulties in intercepting relatively primitive unguided ballistic missiles from the Palestinian resistance fighters.
>Russia does not have the capability to carry out this threat.
They've build a huge force in the rear of the battle field, what do you suppose that's for, if not for an offensive.
>NATO has not called for that, and every member nation sending aid right now is acknowledging Ukraine's right to its borders.
Don't be ridiculess nobody in Nato honestly believes that Ukraine will get it's 1989-2014 borders back. When they talk about freezing the conflict they say that Ukraine will loose territory.
>They wouldn't be asking for a ceasefire if that were the case.
At the moment the Russians aren't doing that, however NATO definitely is, they just call it a freeze, for some odd reason.
>Ukraine is fighting on hand-me-downs from western powers.
They are using a mixed pile of systems that makes maintenance and supply difficult. The soldiers don't have much training or experience with their gear they getting. That does to some extend explain why the Ukrainian military isn't doing well. But also they have a bad strategy, they traded too many lives and equipment for territory. The Russians could exploit that strategic error for imposing devastating attrition losses on Ukraine. That's a big reason why their situation is so dire.
>Judging by the Russian performance against Ukraine
We learned that the industrial capacity of Nato atrophied, they can't match Russia in heavy weapons production.
The US is not ready to engage in symmetrical industrial warfare, because they spend the last 20 years doing asymmetric war-fare in the middle east.
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 No.475039

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>>475037
>I guess you'll ignore the risks that the Ukrainian state could go away
This is an empty threat because the Russian subhumans have already tried that and failed. You're not getting a second chance.
>I can't validate those pictures, i don't know anything about tank-wrecks.
Okay, then get someone who you think is a subject matter expert to show that they're not valid. Or do you really expect people to not believe their lying eyes?
>I will not put any trust in pro-Ukranian sources
It seems reality is pro-Ukrainian.
>I think it was Mercouris citing a WaPo article
I read that WaPo article and didn't find the numbers you're citing. Therefore your faggot director is pulling shit out of his ass, as usual.
>I would say the US has the technical know-how to engineer the most advanced jet fighters, but the F35 ain't it.
You don't know anything about fighter jets. Let's leave it at that.
>The US's military supply lines are a lot less stream-lined than the Russian ones.
Yeah, so why do we have video of mobiks being told to buy tampons instead of being issued IFAKs? Why do we have tons of images of Russians wearing outdated gear, and even a manual telling the infantrymen that modern and common aiming devices and night vision are just for show? It's because Russia can't provide basic shit to its soldiers, and it shows.
> The Russians on the other hand have a entirely domestic production for their military gear
Define production, since the Su-57 and the T-14 seem to be entirely for parades and airshows and don't seem to have ever been made in any numbers worth talking about. Whatever you may ignorantly think about the F-35, the fact is that it exists in enough numbers to actually be deployed.
>It's a very potent system
Pic related. Very potently explosive.
>Take into account the relatively sophisticated guided missiles with interception-counter-measures they shot down.
Apparently everything short of the missile that actually hit this one, kek.
> For comparison the Israeli Iron dome system still has difficulties in intercepting relatively primitive unguided ballistic missiles from the Palestinian resistance fighters.
Iron dome is made specifically to hit small sugar rockets. You don't know anything about air defense either. Let's leave it at that.
>They've build a huge force in the rear of the battle field, what do you suppose that's for, if not for an offensive.
Yes, and I'm sure any day now Moscow will send in the real troops and totally reverse course instead of winning the war from the start.
>Don't be ridiculess nobody in Nato honestly believes that Ukraine will get it's 1989-2014 borders back.
Except every single country supporting them has said that this is the goal, and that they'll support Ukraine until this is the case, and that includes the UK and the US, you know, the two that matter.
> When they talk about freezing the conflict they say that Ukraine will loose territory.
The only ones mentioning this are Russian subhumans like yoruself. The conflict will not be frozen. You will not get Minsk 3, and Russian zaraza will leave Ukraine.
>At the moment the Russians aren't doing that
No, because they've been repeatedly told "No." But Russians are so shameless that they'll probably try their stupid shit of a Christmas truce.
>They are using a mixed pile of systems that makes maintenance and supply difficult.
And yet they have managed to drive Russian rats from Kyiv, Kherson, Kharkiv, and now assault them in Zaporizhzhia. It is telling that old weapons are effective about the supposed "modern" Russian military.
> The Russians could exploit that strategic error for imposing devastating attrition losses on Ukraine.
Except for the pesky fact that it is the other way around. Russian operational art: Wimp-Lo style.
>We learned that the industrial capacity of Nato atrophied, they can't match Russia in heavy weapons production.
And yet Ukraine has more tanks than before, more vehicles, more artillery pieces, more air defense, more access to precision weapons, and soon a steady supply of new aircraft. It's almost like what you said isn't true.
>The US is not ready to engage in symmetrical industrial warfare, because they spend the last 20 years doing asymmetric war-fare in the middle east.
You are quite stupid. The US has only shifted to LSCO over the past ten years, and every single reorganization of forces shows this. Please, hold on to your ignorance and naïve hope that Russia is somehow going to hold on for dear life against the mighty nation of Ukraine. Russia is a fucking joke.
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 No.475040

File: 1696288152828.mp4 ( 5.49 MB , 480x854 , cql08q.mp4 )

Behold, faggot NATO dogs. Superior Russian logistics. I bet dirty NATO dogs don't even wash ammo before use. Very disgusting and not make clean kill.
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 No.475041

>>475040
>Ukraine doesn't even have that
LOL
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 No.475044

Jimmy Dore’s full comments to the United Nations Security Council on September 26, 2023

https://farside.link/invidious/watch?v=DW1oHCSvL8E
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 No.475045

>>475044
Kind of a strange invitation bringing a comedian for a security council testimonial. I wish he'd actually laced more jokes in there to bite back harder at the NATO propagandists. I wonder who invited him.
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 No.475048

>>475030
The whole idea that American military might stems from its airforce because it has such an impressive array of aircraft is basically a sales pitch from the aerospace industry anyway. No other military in the world spends proportionally anywhere near as much money on planes as the US does and they are content with a focus on missile development and now drone warfare. Russia (and the Soviet Union before it) has the most advanced anti-air defense system in the world that is every bit a match for US boondoggles like stealth aircraft. The idea that Russia should fight against F-35s with Su-57s instead of interceptor missiles and extremely advanced radar systems is just chivalrous aerospace industry marketing propaganda.
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 No.475050

>>475048
If Russian GBAD is so good, why can't it stop shit like Storm Shadow, a missile from 20 years ago?
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 No.475052

>>475045
is that why he's been off the show for awhile now? I thought maybe his health was a factor
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 No.475055

>>475052
I think he's mostly doing tour shows. That lasagna guy they have subbing for Jimmy is terrible.
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 No.475056

>>475045
>Kind of a strange invitation bringing a comedian for a security council testimonial.
I don't see why that would be strange

>>475048
Yes during the cold war the US went the route of building a large air-force and the Soviet countered it with really advanced AA. The Russians inherited the Soviet AA and continued developing it.

It does indeed look like AA systems are winning out and will push jets from a primary-attack-force into a military support-role. However i don't think that the Soviets were just more clever to bet on the weapons-development-path that would stretch further in the future. The US wanted jet fighters because it had to run an empire and there were uppity vassals that had to be bombed back into line. And really fancy AA can't do that. So it might be the incentive structure of empire that led the US towards a sub-optimal strategy.

>>475050
You lack perspective. Hitting a rocket with another rocket is rather impressive. After-all it's plucking a tiny tube going really fast out of the sky. The Russians do have reasonable good intercept-rates too, they get like 3/4 . Consider that jet-fighters have a much bigger radar cross-section than rockets (that includes all stealth fighters), and they can't maneuver nearly as hard as rockets. If you're flying a jet into the perimeter of an AA system that can intercept rockets, you're probably screwed.
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 No.475057

>>475056
>Consider that jet-fighters have a much bigger radar cross-section than rockets (that includes all stealth fighters)
Yeah, that's simply untrue.
>and they can't maneuver nearly as hard as rockets
This is the other way around.
>If you're flying a jet into the perimeter of an AA system that can intercept rockets, you're probably screwed
And yet this is how the US accomplishes SEAD/DEAD. You're simply completely ignorant on this topic.
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 No.475059

File: 1696301993026.mp4 ( 4.06 MB , 480x270 , Ellsberg-coldwar.mp4 )

>>475056
>The US wanted jet fighters because it had to run an empire and there were uppity vassals that had to be bombed back into line.
Was that really the cause and effect though? Some seem to think that the cold war was brought forth principally to feed US aerospace industry profits.
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 No.475061

>>475057
>Yeah, that's simply untrue.
So you're saying that really big objects don't have a larger radar cross section than much smaller objects? Interesting assertion, what's your argument?
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 No.475062

>>475057
So it seams that missiles can pull around 60Gs during turns, even if the jets were able to handle that, which they aren't, no human pilot could survive that.

Rockets have a massive heat signature, but their radar cross sections is tiny. Rockets can intermittently turn of their main-drive and change direction with their control surfaces. That can make them harder to track than stealth fighters.

>the US accomplishes SEAD/DEAD

I remember reading that the US Airforce estimates it would loose up the 3 jets to suppress a fully build out layered integrated Russian air defense position. That's not a reasonable trade off.
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 No.475063

>>475061
You're a fucking idiot. Stealth aircraft are made to reduce that cross section. Radar cross section is not the same as physical cross section.
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 No.475064

File: 1696303067826.pdf ( 2.16 MB , 232x300 , ADA622300[1].pdf )

>>475062
>So it seams that missiles can pull around 60Gs during turns, even if the jets were able to handle that, which they aren't, no human pilot could survive that.
A 60G turn in a missile is still at a wider total radius, thus less "maneuverability." Words mean things. Missiles cannot make turns like those of a fighter jet. Missiles are simply faster. You don't understand basic physics.
>Rockets have a massive heat signature, but their radar cross sections is tiny.
Not small enough to avoid intercept unless they are also stealth cruise missiles. PDF related. Read, faggot.
>I remember reading that the US Airforce estimates it would loose up the 3 jets to suppress a fully build out layered integrated Russian air defense position.
Sure. Have you actually seen Russians deploy their air defenses as such? Why do you think cardboard drones are taking out big air defense systems? Because there are no layers to that canopy, otherwise other AA systems would have caught those drones.
>That's not a reasonable trade off.
You're right, which is why the US keeps developing new aircraft and countermeasures, you know, something the Russians haven't done since they were part of the USSR.
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 No.475065

>>475059
Both are true.
The aerospace industry pushed for the cold-war to increase it profits. Other imperial capital that wanted to super-exploit the periphery pushed for military capabilities to do that.
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 No.475067

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Can't you read, ziggers? It's complicated
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 No.475068

File: 1696309780686.jpg ( 146.94 KB , 1280x720 , stealth-defeated.jpg )

>>475063
And then they fail when the defender simply integrates long-wave and short-wave radar in the same system. Great technology you have there.
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 No.475069

>>475064
>Why do you think cardboard drones are taking out big air defense systems?
Because they're not, you delusional liar.
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 No.475070

>>475068
You're not going to get a combat lock that way. That's what you actually need to shoot down an F-35. You'll know it's there, sure, but you won't be able to get a lock. The fact is that the S-400 can't even intercept the Storm Shadow. I do not think that it's going to hit an F-35. The S-500 may have something to counter stealth, but the S-400 does not.
Also, regarding your pic, you realize that the F-117 is not a modern aircraft, correct? I would also like to tell you that it still has a smaller radar cross section than an Su-57. I hope Serbs enjoyed shooting down one aircraft while the bombs continued to fall.
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 No.475071

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>>475069
Ukrainians used 16 Sypaq drones to hit Russian aircraft and air defenses on the 27th of August in Kursk. Or was it a smoking accident again? If not, what caused this to happen?
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 No.475072

>>475071
>27th of August
Every now and then they send enough to have one or two slip through. Russia has a huge area to cover. Ukraine uses US intelligence gathered from their planes over the Black Sea to find targets which have thinner AD cover that can be overwhelmed. Such as some random dry dock or some random irrelevant airfield.
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 No.475073

>>475072
16 drones shouldn't be a challenge to a layered air defense system.
>US intelligence gathered from their planes over the Black Sea
Kursk is nowhere near the black sea and its airbase isn't irrelevant.
>Dry dock
It's Sevastopol, retard. It's the whole reason the Russians invaded Crimea. Now they can't even keep the actual port safe.
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 No.475074

File: 1696335741673.gif ( 1.14 MB , 250x250 , sensible chuckle.gif )

>>475073
>It's the whole reason the Russians invaded a location they were already stationed at.
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 No.475075

>>475074
They were leasing the port, not the whole peninsula. You know this, though. You're just a disingenuous faggot.
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 No.475076

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>>475075
Please continue using the "invasion" hyperbole, it immediately marks you as a cartoonish buffoon and impossible to take seriously.
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 No.475077

>>475067
Technically correct, during ww2 not all of the fascists that were attacking the USSR were of the Nazi-type.
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 No.475078

>>475077
The Waffen-SS volunteers were not of the Nazi type?
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 No.475079

>>475078
>The Waffen-SS volunteers were not of the Nazi type?
Yes they were. Sorry i was trying to make a complicated joke.

The liberals conflate all fascism with Nazism. The headline in that politico article means to imply not all the opponents of the USSR were baddies. But if you delineate between different types of fascism of which Nazism is but one type, the meaning of the head-line would change to imply that not all the opponents of the USSR during WW2 were the same type of baddie.
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 No.475080

>>475070
>You're not going to get a combat lock
That we know off, F35 stealth technology has not gone up against a peer adversary air-defense. The other anon does have a general point, advancing sensor technology is going to erode the stealth properties of the F35. Upgrading sensors of an air-defence system is exchanging a module. While improving stealth probably requires designing a new plane. Maybe the radio-wave absorbing paint can be upgraded but that will only go so far.
>the S-400 can't even intercept the Storm Shadow
you probably meant to say that S-400 doesn't have 100% interception rate against storm shadow, but they do shoot down a portion of the storm-shadows.
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 No.475081

>>475076
>>475076
You don't seem to know how words work. Let me get that for you:
>An invasion is a military offensive of combatants of one geopolitical entity, usually in large numbers, entering territory controlled by another similar entity, generally with the objective of either: conquering; liberating or re-establishing control or authority over a territory; forcing the partition of a country; altering the established government or gaining concessions from said government; or a combination thereof.
You fucking retard.
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 No.475082

>>475080
>That we know off, F35 stealth technology has not gone up against a peer adversary air-defense.
The estimated RCS of the F-35 is smaller than the envelope defined for the S-400. At best, the S-400 could get a combat lock within 20 miles, which is far less than the F-35 would need to fire HARM or other type of weapon. You could also get lucky and target it further out if it had it's bay open, like what happened with F-117, but that would only get you a shot at it and still at less distance than it would need to fire these missiles. Additionally, US doctrine dictates that the opening salvo would be done by cruise missiles in order to overwhelm GBAD from sheer numbers alone. Russia has no hope against the US in a conventional conflict. Please get over this fact and stop coping.
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 No.475083

File: 1696360484534.jpg ( 28.72 KB , 450x450 , cheetahlaffs.jpg )

>>475081
lol, sure thing Nazi
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 No.475084

>>475082
>The estimated RCS of the F-35 is smaller than the envelope defined for the S-400.
A few years ago Turkey bought Russian anti-air systems, and then the Pentagon flipped out and barred Turkey from participating in the F35 program. They were worried that if the Russians could gather enough sensor data from F35, it would negate the stealth effect. Clearly they do not share your confidence.You are overestimating what stealth can do

>F-35 would need to fire HARM

they just have to switch on decoy radio emitters and turn the main radar off. You are not appreciating that the advantage is shifting towards air-defence, away from fighter-jets.

>US doctrine dictates that the opening salvo would be done by cruise missiles

The Russians have a real military, they're going to attack US missile destroyers etc. if they launch cruise missiles.

>Russia has no hope against the US in a conventional conflict

The US can only dedicate a part of it's force projection against Russia, because it's a large empire trying to rule the world. You'll find that in most of these combat scenarios that there is strategic parity.

You are displaying imperial hubris. The US is at present not able to engage Russia and win decisively. Most likely outcomes are stalemates with large casualties on both sides. Also take into account the geo-political situation. If the US were to dedicate enough forces to engage Russia. China can clear out every US base in their neighborhood without much resistance. The current US strategy of encircling China with "containment" military-bases would be over, and the US would shrink from global empire to a regional one.
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 No.475088

>>475079
>Sorry i was trying to make a complicated joke.
It's hardly a joke when there are people who actually think like that. That's why I confused you for our resident Ukronazi.
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 No.475090

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 No.475091

>>475088
TFW when in current year liberals can't be bothered not to give thunderous applause to an actual WW2 Nazi Officer.
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 No.475094

>>475084
>They were worried that if the Russians could gather enough sensor data from F35, it would negate the stealth effect. Clearly they do not share your confidence.You are overestimating what stealth can do
It's more about developing countermeasures and less about information suddenly giving their current systems more ability to shoot down stealth aircraft.
>they just have to switch on decoy radio emitters and turn the main radar off.
Congratulations, now you don't have air defense and the rest of the cruise missiles headed to their targets will land unopposed. Remember: Air defense is about defending your assets, not shooting down a single type of aircraft.
>The Russians have a real military, they're going to attack US missile destroyers etc
Sure, the military that can't consistently find military targets and is struggling with NATO hand-me-downs is going to suddenly sink the world's most powerful Navy.
>The US can only dedicate a part of it's force projection against Russia, because it's a large empire trying to rule the world
You're stupid. The US military is designed to fight two wars at opposite sides of the planet. Just look at the gulf war or invasion of Iraq. The Russians wouldn't be able to beat even that.
>You are displaying imperial hubris. The US is at present not able to engage Russia and win decisively. Most likely outcomes are stalemates with large casualties on both sides.
You seem to forget thay we've seen the Russians fail completely in the last teo years. It's obvious that they can't carry out complex operations in any capacity. This isn't about liking the US military. It's just reality, something you seem to be completely divorced from.
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 No.475099

>>475090
Yup, still losing.
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 No.475100

>>475094
The US military has evolved over the last 80 years to project imperial force at the periphery. Similar to the situation the dying British Empire found itself in at the start of WWI, if the US were ever actually attacked by a large industrial adversary like Russia or China in a conventional war that didn't go nuclear, it would currently be incapable of defending itself.
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 No.475101

>>475100
You don't know extremely basic military concepts, and you've shown that. What you're engaging in is wishful thinking. There is no military on the planet that can project the level of force the US can anywhere in the world. It's a machine built specifically to destroy whole nations, and ot has the entirety of Europe in the same camp. Russia can't even end a war with its next door neighbor. Remember, the Ukrainians beat Russia in Kyiv without US aid other than ATGMs. What do you think would happen if Russians encountered Americans? Luckily, you don't have to. Just look at the Battle of Conoco Fields. You're living in a fantasy world where people haven't yet realized how incompetent and incapable the Russians are.
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 No.475102

>>475094
>It's more about developing countermeasures and less about information suddenly giving their current systems more ability to shoot down stealth aircraft.
It's a meaningless distinction. Whether they only need to do a software-update or also have to upgrade hardware components is a negligible difference. Militaries are too paranoid to do over the air software updates for critical components, they'll use the same physical upgrade path for hard and software. The argument here is that if the Russians can gather sufficient information about stealth tech they can erode any stealth advantage the F35 may have. You have all but agreed with this assumption

>Congratulations, now you don't have air defense and the rest of the cruise missiles headed to their targets will land unopposed. Remember: Air defense is about defending your assets, not shooting down a single type of aircraft.

Obviously one would launch the interceptors prior to turning off the radar. Since the interceptors fly towards the cruise missiles they contact long before the cruise missiles become a danger to the defense battery. A more sophisticated counter would be exploiting that modern radar dishes are micro antenna-arrays that can have precisely defined emissions, they could emit radar detection pings everywhere except where the HARM flies. So that HARM only sees emissions from the decoy emitter, while the radar can remain online and keep tracking. "HARM shading"

>The US would win a military confrontation because the Russians are too stupid to find targets

Hubris

>The US military is designed to fight two wars at opposite sides of the planet.

2 decades ago, sure, but today, probably not. Too much institutional rot, too many private contractors lining their pockets. Also that doctrine you are referencing was about the US fighting 2.5 medium sized countries, certainly not 2 super-powers, which would be the case if the US tried to engage Russia and China simultaneously.

>You seem to forget thay we've seen the Russians fail completely in the last teo years. It's obvious that they can't carry out complex operations in any capacity.

Ukraine is wrecked, most Western economies are in deep recession, western military supplies are low. The Russians have lost people, and some military assets, but it's limited and their industrial capacity is keeping up. Their economy is not faltering, they don't have stellar growth, but at least they have some growth. It looks like the Russians come out ahead in the Ukraine geo-struggle. You are however not entirely wrong the Russians did stumble in the beginning and the middle bit of the hot phase of war, but chances are that they did learn from those failings. One would be a fool to assume that they're not fixing these issues.

>reality, something you seem to be completely divorced from.

this is the impression you give
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 No.475103

>>475101
>It's a machine built specifically to destroy whole nations
Small weakly industrial nations, and built then to occupy them fighting perpetual insurgencies. What is widely agreed upon by military strategists and tacticians is that the US military has been transformed both from an equipment and training perspective, due to the last two decades of occupational warfare, to a degree that it is currently incapable of fighting a conventional industrial war. There are many aspects to this but you frankly don't need to look any further than the absolutely miniscule production of artillery shells in the US compared to Russia right now, such that they had to send Ukraine ill-suited cluster munitions when they ran out of the standard ones.

>You don't know

Pot meet kettle, your delusion is palpable.
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 No.475104

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>>475094
>the world's most powerful Navy.
The US can't even protect Taiwan from China. China launched those rockets over Taiwan, flies sorties into Taiwan's airspace and sails ships around Taiwan. The US can't do shit. Why? Cause China can outproduce the US and it's not even a contest.
>23.25 MILLION tonnes
>to US's less than 100.000
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 No.475105

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/politico-pens-not-all-nazis-are-bad-op-ed-after-canada-lionizes-waffen-ss-taibbi
This fallout from Canada's little Nazi-in-parliament scandal is getting hilarious.
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 No.475106

>>475104
Not to mention China has been developing sophisticated new anti-ship missiles that can sink aircraft carriers.
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 No.475124

>>475105
Liberals twisting themselves into a pretzel to muddy reality, much like our resident Ukronazi here.
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 No.475136

>>475124
<Liberals twisting themselves into a pretzel to muddy reality
There is the possibility that the Canada-Hunka-Waffen-SS-Nazi affair was a fuck up and nobody checked who they put on stage. In that case all they had to do was own up to the fuck-up, and reassure everybody they're not trying to rehabilitate fascism.

This guy's Nazi past was really obvious, and the attempts at either pretending this didn't happen, or the attempt at rationalizing, make it worse. The more likely scenario is that they knew and thought all the manufactured anti-Russian sentiment somehow also rehabilitated the Nazis. Which means there are dark times ahead. Ever since the end of WW2 the one thing where liberals and communists could agree on was the Nazi question. I guess the Ukraine war isn't just a loss in term of geopolitical struggle but a loss in decaying political fabric too.
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 No.475137

>>475136
Frankly I think the only thing that could set this right at this point is if Poland actually follows through on its extradition proceedings. Hunka's unit was responsible for the murder of thousands of Poles in the area and he may have been a party to it.
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 No.475138

>>475137
>if Poland actually follows through on its extradition proceedings
I guess that probably would put the genie back into the bottle
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 No.475140

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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-war-russia-north-korea-artillery-us-gives-kyiv-siezed-iran-ammunition/
North Korea provides Russia artillery for the Ukraine war as U.S. hands Kyiv ammunition seized from Iran
So Kim Jong Un gave Putin artillery in exchange for food and a peepee touch…
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 No.475141

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>>475140
>North Korea provides Russia artillery
Source
<a U.S. official tells CBS News
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 No.475146

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>aid is increasing
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 No.475166

Looks like Mearsheimer was right again. Putin has started referring to Odessa as a Russian city. Goodbye more of Ukraine, hello rump state.
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 No.475171

>>475166
Indeed it does look like Russia's going to take another bite out of Ukraine. The Minsk2 agreement and Istanbul treaty they spurned, are looking like sweetheart deals right now.
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 No.475229

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 No.475389

>>475141
>Vatnik doesn't believe that Russian arms industry isn't shit.
Huh, never seen that before.
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 No.475399

>>475389
>doesn't believe that Russian arms industry isn't shit.
Well, half of Ukraine is leveled, the Russian weapons clearly work.
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 No.475418

>>475399
>Well, half of Ukraine is leveled
and russkia is still losing lol

but I'm glad ziggers now openly admit to war crimes
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 No.475439

>>475418
>The other side can not have the capacity to demonstrate military strength, unless they are loosing, they can only commit war crimes.
when the war propagandists dissolved your brain.
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 No.475456

>>475389
EU arms industry status?
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 No.475470

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 No.475485

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>>475456
>EU arms industry status?
EU industry requires a new cheap energy source.
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 No.475495

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 No.475580

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Is this why the Ukraine shills seem extra angry today?
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 No.475593

>>475580
They will be encircled… AGAIN! How does this keep happening?

In other news, how did Putin know the right moment to weaponise Hamas and the media against Ukraine? Nobody is talking about Ukraine. People are already forgetting. Ukraine is going to become a background war. A background country. News from Ukraine will be met with an "Oh dear, that's terrible," at the breakfast table, followed by an immediate resumption of the day's activities.

The weapons are running out. The money is running out. Time is running out. It is over for Ukraine.

But the good news is the US has got the enemy back! Now they can sell weapons and fear the Russians again! They'll make movies, sell anti-radiation pills. The heroes have gotten their villain. And Ukraine will be the villain's victim, the supporting role nobody remembers. But I'm thinking in the sequel the "villain" will turn out to be the good guy.
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 No.475594

>>475580
>it's just arrows drawn on a map by some armchair zigga generalissimo
kek

I sure hope russkies can finally take Donetsk's suburb after 2 years lol.

100 years from now on they maybe can finally take Slavyansk too kek
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 No.475600

>>475593
>A small setback is much more embarrassing then struggling for a year and a half against a country that was supposed to be toppled in 3 days.
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 No.475601

>>475594
we're back to
>haha Russia is winning slowly
>that means they're losing!
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 No.475602

>>475593
>Ukraine is going to become a background war.
Cope Z shill, it's a war in the EU's backyard. It's never going to be forgotten about.
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 No.475605

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>>475601
damn right, z-bro! The siege of Kyiv is scheduled for the year 3000! Too bad none of us would be there to witness such glorious victory! History already saw 100 years war, now it's finally time for 1000 years special military operation kek!
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 No.475607

>>475605
>History already saw 100 years war, now it's finally time for 1000 years special military operation kek!
First as tragedy… you know the drill zigga, lmao.
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 No.475612

>>475602
>It's never going to be forgotten about.
What isn't?
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 No.475614

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>ur face when you're winning """slowly""" one trench at a time
sorry zigga, I just couldn't help myself! lmao!
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 No.475616

>>475580
Jews (whom they hate) have taken the spotlight away from their grift and they're furious about it.
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 No.475617

wow, russkies are now praying for jews to win their wars?

Such Superpower, kek. Second Best military in the world, kek.
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 No.475619

reminder to all russkies itt: burgers sent an aircraft carrier to Zion.

seriously, is there even a limit to how pathetic russkies can be? Begging jews for mercy, really?

THE WEAK SHOULD LIVE IN FEAR… and they WILL

you hear me, russkies?
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 No.475621

>>475619
>burgers sent an aircraft carrier to Zion.
>This has something to do with Russia

how ?
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 No.475622

>>475616
>taken the spotlight away from their grift and they're furious about it.
won't they just retool and shill for Zionism now that the Ukraine war is yesteryears news ?
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 No.475623

>>475621
>how ?
by keeping Hezbollah reeeeal quiet while Zion razes Gaza to the ground

US threatened to bomb Lebanon into the stone age if it dares to intervene
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 No.475624

also, Zion is mad as fuck even by itself

in the Yom Kippur war they almost nuked fucking Damascus and Cairo lol, only the US-Soviet intervention prevented the motherfuckers
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 No.475626

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Seriously, it looks like the jews are readying for the "Final Solution" to their little Gaza problem kek.

The irony. I just LOVE it.
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 No.475627

>>475626
>after two years of crying about Russians genociding Ukrainians, liberals are now cheering on the genocide of Palestinians
get fucked Ukronazi, soon Ukraine is going to start conscripting their diaspora. You'll get deported from Klanada and get sent to the trenches. Things won't be so funny then.
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 No.475628

>>475623
>US threatened to bomb Lebanon into the stone age if it dares to intervene
The US making threats is related to Russia how ?

Besides Hezbollah would obviously wait until Israels soldiers are bogged down in urban-combat, before opening a second front. And they probably would try to get a bunch of anti-ship missiles from one of the regional-powers the US has pissed off to cripple that carrier-group the US parked in the Eastern Mediterranean sea. You know as a contingency to avoid getting bombed into the stone age.

Honestly i don't see Russia playing a significant role in this happening, they're probably focused on wrapping up the Ukraine-conflict while Uncle Sam is busy bludgening some more Arabs.
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 No.475631


>>475627
>after two years of crying about Russians genociding Ukrainians, liberals are now cheering on the genocide of Palestinians
not a lib, never cried about any genocide ever, and don't cheer for Zion

Get fucked nazoid.

>You'll get deported from Klanada and get sent to the trenches. Things won't be so funny then.

nah, russkia is done for as a military threat to anyone

Ukraine has successfully demilitarized russkia kek.
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 No.475632

>>475626
The lib retards cheering on Hamas are about to get a rude awakening.
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 No.475634

>>475628
>The US making threats is related to Russia how ?
listen, illiterate dumbfuck, if you can't follow the line of discussion, THEN DON'T OPEN YOUR FUCKING WHORE MOUTH WITH YOUR STUPID QUESTIONS

It is relevant to russkia because ziggers were coping that Zion would get boggled down in Lebanon just like they are in Ukraine lol

>wait until Israels soldiers are bogged down in urban-combat

lol

there would be no urban combat to get boggled down in, because there would be no cities left kek

>And they probably would try to get a bunch of anti-ship missiles from one of the regional-powers the US has pissed off to cripple that carrier-group the US parked in the Eastern Mediterranean sea.

LMAO

Good luck with that kek, what can I say.
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 No.475635

>>475631
Can we keep the Ukraine shit in the Ukraine thread and the Palestine thread in the Palestine thread?
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 No.475636

>>475635
No we can't, because they are related.
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 No.475637

>>475636
Kind of? I mean you don'ts have to that's just my opinion t,t. I didn't read the thread either tho
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 No.475640

>>475634
Isreal is a small country, it can't ramp up a massive industrial complex for war production and mobilize huge numbers of people to sustain a war for a long time. The US is tapped out on weapons supplies, they squandered that in Ukraine. The consequences of escalating until Lebanon or worse Iran gets dragged into this will be devastating for Israel.

>there would be no urban combat to get boggled down in, because there would be no cities left kek

Destroying Gaza and mass-murdering most of it's inhabitants will cause Israel to become completely isolated. All the other countries in that region will cut ties. Because everybody knows that once they're done with the internal blood-bath the politics of hate will have to find a new enemy, one on the outside. Israel might get away with this extreme levels of hostilities until the US empire support runs dry, and their nukes become inoperable, after they either do a 180° an become peaceful neighbors or they disappear.

>Good luck with that kek, what can I say.

You are trying to spin a story where the US military has plot-armor, but the real world isn't like that. Anti-ship missiles will just cripple navy ships, regardless what flag they fly.
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 No.475685

>>475623
>by keeping Hezbollah reeeeal quiet while Zion razes Gaza to the ground
BASTE
>US threatened to bomb Lebanon into the stone age if it dares to intervene
GIGA BASED

Paliggers and Ziggers get the rope.
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 No.475700

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kek
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 No.475701

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>>475601
Nobody is claiming that Russia is winning slowly. If anything, that's the cope ziggers have at Zapo. Meanwhile a Russian counteroffensive:
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 No.475705

>>475701
>Russia is winning slowly
In light of recent events maybe that just means that Russia couldn't be baited into doing self-harm with a massive shock and aw battle-campaign.

Anyway the US will prioritize sending weapons to Israel over Ukraine, which means that Ukraine will probably be forced to capitulate sometime next year.
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 No.475706

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>>475705
Yo, man, you talkin' 'bout Russia and self-harm like it's some twisted game. Don't be so quick to think them Ruskies dodged a bullet by not launchin' some "shock and awe" show. War ain't no joke, ese. It ain't 'bout provin' who's got the biggest cojones; it's about real people sufferin' and dyin'. Ain't no victory in that.

As for the U.S. helpin' Israel, don't be so cynical, vato. They got their reasons, politics and alliances, you know? Don't mean Ukraine's gotta just lay down and give up. They've been through some tough times, and they ain't no pushovers. Diplomacy can be more powerful than just weapons, homie. Let's not be so quick to write 'em off, 'cause you never know how things can play out on this crazy stage of international politics.
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 No.475716

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>>475706
>I'm prompting
write your own replies
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 No.475728

>>475700
some ziggers are getting smarter? No way in hell man

those dumbfucks literally call it winning when they lose half of their black fleet, even tho russkies don't even have a technological base to build new ships to replenish the losses lol
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 No.475730

>>475728
As far as the geopolitical struggle between NATO/US and Russia is concerned, forcing the Russians to relocate their Black Sea fleet is a win for NATO/US. However it's not very likely that it can be consolidated. The Ukraine-proxy is in bad shape and will unlikely be able to maintain it's missile threat of Sevastopol. The Russians are likely going to push them back until they no longer can "missile lock" that port.

I guess enjoy your temporary victory.

>don't even have a technological base to build new ships

They don't lack the technology, however they probably have limited ship-building capacity, which is unsurprising because Russia is not a naval power.
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 No.475733

>>475705
>Israel cope
>We actually wanted to kill more of our soldiers in an attritional war
Kek. We all saw Kyiv, dipshit. Who do you think you're fooling?
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 No.475735

>>475730
>The Russians are likely going to push them back until they no longer can "missile lock" that port.
Russians can't even push into a local village. The only thing they push is their stinky weiner into mobik ass, bunch of faggots.
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 No.475749

Well lads, looks like the war is over. Killed by Hamas.
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 No.475758

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>>475749
More BMP squish.
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 No.475765

>>475735
>Russians can't even push into a local village.
Nope. They'll just encircle it. Ukrainians keep allowing themselves to get into that situation.
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 No.475768

>>475749
Yeah it's like somebody flipped a switch, all the Ukraine virtue-signalling flags got replaced by Israeli ones.
<Support for Ukraine as long as it takes until some other happening captures all the attention.
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 No.475769

>>475765
>Russia's inability to move the line isn't impotency. We're just waiting for the right time.
Vatnik copes continue to confound
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 No.475778

>>475765
When is the last time Russians managed to encircle Ukrainians? There’s your answer, you dumb bitch.
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 No.475829

>>475778
They're in the process of encircling Avdiivka. They lost a lot of vehicles, but they just keep sending more. Because they have a near-endless supply, as long as those vehicle factories keep running. Ukraine relies on Western donations.

Just based on those facts alone anyone could tell you which side will end up victorious. But you know this, you're not really an idiot, we all know you're pretending.
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 No.475876

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 No.475877

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>>475876
Some of these pictures are very puzzling
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 No.475878

I see propaganda-kun has regressed to simple spam at this point. Things must be getting pretty desperate.
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 No.475879

>>475878
Yeah apparently Ukraine is down to using 85mil artillery that the Soviets introduced back in WW2.

For reference contemporary calibers:
roughly 100mil is light artillery
roughly 150mil is standard artillery
roughly 200mil is heavy artillery
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 No.475880

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>>475878
>>475878
>propaganda-kun
notice me senpai
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 No.475883

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woke up floating very peacefully just spinning like a barrel in water (like a rotisserie chicken i used to say) it was not spooky and my lack of reaction in retrospect was abnormal but I did reach for my couch as if saying to myself"i'm supposed to be on that not over here." and I did grasp the back of my couch that I used to sleep on back then and pull myself back towards it but after that I don't remember much, just "waking up again" I assumed it was a dream but I am skeptical about what it really was one way or another, some playful nightime OBE of the soul just chilling and having some fun while I'm asleep? and I suddenly become aware of it?
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 No.475884

>>475883
stop smoking weed it will make you a useless faggot
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 No.475896

Oh shit, Ukraine is advancing on the AI digital art front. Ukraine is victorious and liberated in every way except the physical.
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 No.475897

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>>475896
>Ukraine is advancing on the AI digital art front. Ukraine is victorious and liberated in every way except the physical.
This feels like the plot for a classic trek episode.

<The enterprise enters into orbit of Ukron3 in the Eastrop sector, preliminary scans show a advanced industrial pre-warp society, that appears to be engaged in large scale Warfare.

<Captain Kirk beams down to the surface with an away-team, to find people completely oblivious to their situation. The captain and his gang must find out the mystery. … The protagonists overcome a number of plot obstacles … They find that the people of Ukron3 have been fooled by a malfunctioning AI-propaganda computer that manufactures a convincing yet completely false impression of reality.
<It has locked the planet in perpetual war for almost 2 centuries, tricking countless inhabitants to sign-up for bogus adventures that in reality walks them to their deaths on battle-fronts.
<Captain Kirk finds the AI-propaganda-computer's secret layer and destroys it with a phaser-blast at maximum setting, ending the raging war, allowing the Ukronus civilization to recover and resume normal development.
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 No.475898

>>475897
Ok, look. I want you Ziggers either dead on the trenches of Ukraine or de-radicalized from Ruscism. But I have to admit: I laughed
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 No.475901

>>475898
I guess you need to have your russophobia de-radicalized. But i'm glad you liked it.
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 No.475903

So it seems Zelensky's mother isn't even Jewish. This whole time, bros… We've been swindled.
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 No.475904

>>475903
Honestly that's not the biggest swindle. He lead Ukrainians into a unwinnable war.

And if Alexander Mercouris's guess for the overall outcome is correct, than the US is now going to phase out Ukraine-support in favor for Israel-support. No diplomatic solution we emerge because the field of diplomacy has been thoroughly poisoned. The Russian war machine will continue chewing threw Ukraine's forces until capitulation. Ukraine will likely get divided, and there might not even be rump-state left. https://farside.link/invidious/watch?vB6OJMuA0Y4o

So the biggest swindle was that Ukraine was going to reclaim territory, because it now looks like they might not retain any territory at all.

I know that Zel never had any real power to make decisions, he was stuck between avoiding getting murdered by the ukro-nazis on the one hand and getting regime changed by the US on the other hand, but it was all a big bag of lies none the less.
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 No.475905

>>475904
It's become so farcical that Zelensky is offering to visit Israel to show support, while his country is in the middle of a war. I think he's just looking for more reasons to stay out of the country, in case someone tries to exact retribution for sending a generation of young men into a meat grinder.
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 No.475906

>>475905
>It's become so farcical that Zelensky is offering to visit Israel to show support
Yeah the "one-struggle" Zionist-Bandera axis isn't going to happen. There can only be one "Chosen-people/master-race" the US can only maintain one Israel not two.

>I think he's just looking for more reasons to stay out of the country, in case someone tries to exact retribution for sending a generation of young men into a meat grinder.

Yeah he's been doing that for some time now, but he's not just dodging the Ukrainian soldiers that have been betrayed, he's also dodging right-wingers that probably plan to off him as soon he's no longer useful for getting NATO weapons and funding.
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 No.475907

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>>475905
>Zelensky is offering to visit Israel
aaaaand he's been rejected lol
ukraine is just getting tossed out like a used condom, amazing to see
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 No.475916

>>475907
ukranian men left should return home and kill these jackals in power
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 No.475919

>>475907
Yeah Ukraine is like a bloody rag they're throwing away after having squeezed the life out of it

>>475916
If we figure out how to make people react like this, wars in general will go into the dust-bin of history.
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 No.475935

>>475829
Is this why the ziggers have stopped claiming it’s an offensive and now claim it’s active defense?kek
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 No.475938

>>475935
You almost sound disappointed the Russians didn't press offensives and let it rip, bombing hole cities to rubble.
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 No.475952

>>475938
Was that another gesture of goodwill or are you finally admitting that they are incapable of carrying out offensive operations with any success?
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 No.475963

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CONFIRMED: Ukraine is using Panzer IIs built during WWII.

How have Russians not been pushed out of Ukraine yet???
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 No.475964

>>475963
This seems a little too silly to be believed. Reusing ancient tractors which might be used by some farmer somewhere on a regular basis is plausible, but this is a literal museum piece that wouldn't have seen any use or maintenance for 70+ years. Tanks are very complicated pieces of machinery that need constant maintenance. I don't see why anyone would expect it to last more than a few seconds out on the field.
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 No.475965

>>475964
Then what is a Ukrainian Panzer II doing out in the field? Doesn't look like it is in a museum, and it has the camo Ukraine uses nowadays.
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 No.475967

>>475952
The Russians are doing a war of attrition strategy, to destroy Ukrainian combat power. This is supposed to dampen the possibility of an asymmetric insurgency war following afterwards.

In the past the US did what you suggest, fight war in the manor of launching massive offensives that quickly defeated the opposing state. The result was the US ending up in drawn out insurgency wars, that it ultimately lost.
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 No.475968

>>475963
>>475964
>>475965
I think that they probably did try to use it for combat. But it's at least conceivable that it could have been used as a decoy.
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 No.475970

>>475963
>How have Russians not been pushed out of Ukraine yet???
Corruption
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 No.475972

>>475967
>The Russians are doing a war of attrition strategy,
Wrong. They are simply stuck and are claiming to, because every analysis outside of Russian state media points to them losing the attritional battle. Remember, dumbfuck, attritional war is what you do when you can't do anything else, like maneuver, or complicated offensives. So much for the world's second strongest military.
>This is supposed to dampen the possibility of an asymmetric insurgency war
Kek. That's not how that works, unless you're counting civilians among your attritional goals, you know, like a criminal. Even then, that doesn't prevent insurgency. It ensures it.
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 No.475974

>>475972
>every analysis outside of Russian state media points to them losing the attritional battle.
Many analysis within the Nato propaganda bubble are saying this, but pretty much every neutral commentator considers Russia to be winning the attritional battle. Even some pro NATO/Ukraine commentators admit to this reality on occasion. Russia hasn't just drained Ukrainian combat power, they have deplete a substantial part of Nato weapons stock-piles too.

>That's not how that works

The Ukrainian state is conscripting all the people capable and willing of fighting, those get send to the front-lines where many die, many get crippled, and most of all get the experience that they're expendable meat fighting unwinnable pointless battles. Many of the people returning from the front lines feel betrayed and will not join an insurgency, those that resisted conscription never were willing to fight in the first place. And you also have to realize that a huge part of the Ukrainian population just left the country, and they're unlikely to come back. The chances of there being a insurgency after the Ukraine war, is really low.

check out The Coming Ukraine Collapse
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2023/09/the-coming-ukraine-collapse-and-the-rebuilding-headfake.html
to get a sense of how dire the situation for Ukraine really is.

<the American intelligence community, it is said that the Ukrainian population has today shrunk to just 20 million, slightly more than the Netherlands, but fewer than Taiwan. And of the 20 million, according to the Jamestown Foundation, retirees make up over half: 10.7 million.
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 No.475981

>>475974
>Many analysis within the Nato propaganda bubble are saying this,
Yeah, they also said Russia was going to invade Ukraine, that Russia would have to fall back and that it would ultimately be unable to carry out offensive operations, you know, what actually happened. Gen Petraeus, for example, called this whole war to the T so far.
>The Ukrainian state is conscripting all the people capable and willing of fighting, those get send to the front-lines where many die, many get crippled, and most of all get the experience that they're expendable meat fighting unwinnable pointless battles.
Yes, you are projecting. Again, the only sources for your claims are shills and Russian state media.
>check out The Coming Ukraine Collapse
I don't care what your unrelated articles say, zigger faggot.
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 No.475982

>>475981
You sound desperate. Can you get to a safe place, anon?
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 No.475984

>>475982
>refute your retarded arguments one by one
>"Y-Y-You're d-d-d-esperate!"
Again, projection from the subhuman. Can you not really even lie convincingly anymore?
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 No.475985

>>475984
I just want you to be safe, anon.
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 No.475986

>>475985
What a coincidence! I also want you safe in your own fucking country. I want this for Russians too. They should go back to their shithole faggot country.
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 No.475988

>>475986
Don't do anything rash that you might regret later.
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 No.475990

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>>475988
Tell that to your pet animals.
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 No.476019

>>475981
here's your epic western analysts bro: https://archive.ph/w2kT6
>Gen Petraeus, for example, called this whole war to the T so far
lol
lmao
<Former CIA Director David Patraeus, author of the overhyped “surge” strategy in Iraq, told CNN (5/23/23):
<I personally think that this is going to be really quite successful…. And [the Russians] are going to have to withdraw under pressure of this Ukrainian offensive, the most difficult possible tactical maneuver, and I don’t think they’re going to do well at that.
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 No.476032

>>476019
You realize we already saw ziggers abandon prepared positions in panic only to have those very positions occupied by Ukrainians, right? You realize that in spite of having defender's advantage, the Russians keep losing forces at an unsustainable rate to the point that they deployed units in training three months before they were set to deploy? How is this not disastrous?
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 No.476052

>>476032
>we already saw Russians abandon prepared positions
Why are tactical retreats a bad thing ? You know live to fight another day, it kept the Russian losses low. Having a reverse gear isn't necessarily a bad thing, the Ukrainians could have avoided a lot of losses that way.

The Russians don't appear to be ego-driven, after-all Putin is still offering to sell gas to the Germans, while that probably was emotionally unpleasant considering what the German state has said about him but it's still the rational thing to do.
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 No.476057

Anon seems to think that Russia would win this war if they threw wave after wave of soldiers into a meat grinder, as the Ukraine regime has done.
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 No.476070

>>476052
>Why are tactical retreats a bad thing ?
Abandoning a prepared position in a disorder fashion is not an organized retreat. Usually you try to degrade tools that you leave behind in order to deny the enemy these resources.
>You know live to fight another day, it kept the Russian losses low.
Russian losses remain disproportionately higher than those of Ukrainians. Clearly the Russian method isn't working to save manpower.
>Having a reverse gear isn't necessarily a bad thing, the Ukrainians could have avoided a lot of losses that way.
They did that in 2022, with glaring exceptions like Mariupol.
>The Russians don't appear to be ego-driven, after-all
This whole war is ego-driven because monke wants to larp as Peter the Great.
>Putin is still offering to sell gas to the Germans, while that probably was emotionally unpleasant considering what the German state has said about him but it's still the rational thing to do.
The Germans are not interested in making deals with Putin. Now they burn American LNG. Putin has ruined the European gas market for Russia. You see, Putin did one good thing, and it's proving that the neo-liberal theory of economic interdependence does not work on dictatorships. It is the liberal democracies of the world against the rest. No longer are people under the illusion that we can coexist.
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 No.476071

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>>476057
>Projecting again
Remember, kids: every zigger accusation is a confession.
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 No.476075

>>476057
>Anon seems to think that Russia would win this war
Russia appears to already have won this war, the US is only keeping the Ukro-vassal-regime on life-support until US elections are over.

>>476071
You are doing second order nested projection, you are experiencing abstract copeium, that is next level stuff
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 No.476076

>>476070
>This whole war is ego-driven because monke wants to larp as Peter the Great.
This level of reductionist dehumanization is the vomit from a diet of pure propaganda, not the opinions of an informed observer.
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 No.476081

>>476070
The Russian tactical retreats were described as orderly and professional by the Pentagon. Russian losses as measured by UK polling institutions aggregating actual data from Russia show that they have very low losses, and it is in fact Ukraine that suffered disproportionately higher losses.

>This whole war is ego-driven

It is for people like you, that are treating this as a spectator sport, that grants permission for verbal hooliganism.

>The Germans are not interested in making deals with Putin.

Germany and Russia kinda have complementary economies, and this has been the case for more than a century. The US is to some extend able to separate those two, but that is temporary, eventually cooperation will grow back.

>It is the liberal democracies of the world against the rest.

<I want to declare war against the hole world
Meh, too much effort, to much bloodshed, to much rubble, too much unbearable propaganda and very low chance of success.
We could have much more comfortable lives just trading with the rest of the world. You don't have to rule the world to have a place in it. We can have much better goals like improving the quality of life for the masses and building newer and cleaner industries.
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 No.476083

>>476075
>Russia appears to already have won this war,
Then why are Russian soldiers still dying like the vermin they are?
>You are doing second order nested projection
>It is actually you who is doing the things I'm clearly doing
Again, zigger and his FAS-addled brain can't come up with anything. Your whore mother should have at least done you the mercy of aborting you.
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 No.476084

>>476083
>Then why are Russian soldiers still dying like the vermin they are?
Do you actually think winning a war means not losing any soldiers or have you just not got any rational thinking at this point.
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 No.476086

>>476076
Putin has literally compared himself to Peter the Great.
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 No.476087

>>476084
Again, if Russia has already won the war, then why is there still fighting going on, and why are the subhumans still dying in droves? Avdiivka turned from le great kottel offensive to active defense after the zaraza realized it wasn't going to go anywhere and they had already lost enough to render three brigades combat ineffective. You're losing, zigger. It is only a matter of time.
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 No.476088

>>476081
>Germany and Russia kinda have complementary economies
any third-world raw resources exporting shithole is """complementary""" to any industrialized economy zigga

>and this has been the case for more than a century

wat

you telling me SU was """complementary""" to fucking West Germany zygoid or to the Wiemar Republic?

you russkies are fucking mouthbreathing retards lol

>The US is to some extend able to separate those two, but that is temporary, eventually cooperation will grow back.

Pss, russkie…

IT'S FUCKING OVER LOL.

you are like a coping divorced betabux lol.. she's not coming back, it's time to move on to your new chinese boyfriend kek

>We could have much more comfortable lives just trading with the rest of the world. You don't have to rule the world to have a place in it. We can have much better goals like improving the quality of life for the masses and building newer and cleaner industries.

And this "Muh free trade" dumbfuck calls other anons libs kek.

"Y-y-you don't have to accumulate surplus value! And I don't have to accumulate surplus value! We totally have a say in the matter!"
kek

dumfuck silly nazoids
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 No.476089

>>476081
>The Russian tactical retreats were described as orderly and professional by the Pentagon. R
Yes, in early 2022. Orderly retreats don't abandon a division's worth of equipment or leave untouched defensive positions for the enemy to occupy.
>It is for people like you, that are treating this as a spectator sport
I have personal stake in this war, to the tune of $15k and counting, plus friends and family. Kill yourself, zigger.
>Germany and Russia kinda have complementary economies, and this has been the case for more than a century. The US is to some extend able to separate those two, but that is temporary, eventually cooperation will grow back.
>Stage 3: Bargaining
>We could have much more comfortable lives just trading with the rest of the world
This was already attempted and proven a failure. Dictators must die.
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 No.476090

>>476083
>why are Russian soldiers still dying
They haven't figured out immortality ?
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 No.476091

>>476090
no, zigga

it's because russkies can't into industrial warfare
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 No.476092

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>>476090
I see you have selective reading type of retardation. Your pet animals die more often and in bigger numbers for no tactical or strategic gain. Here's a video of one of your animals. And yes, I do think it's funny, and yes he deserved it, as do all the other subhumans who don't leave Ukraine.
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 No.476093

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>>476087
>if Russia has already won the war, then why is there still fighting going on
The Ukraine war effort is like wily coyote floating in mid air.
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 No.476094

>>476088
>russkies
are they in your room right now ?
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 No.476095

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>>476093
Yes, just like your cartoons, you simpleton. Meanwhile, reality: 8k+ dead zigger animals and hundreds of vehicles destroyed, two airports struck with ATACMS and half of the RF helicopter fleet now destroyed. Surely Russia is about to achieve final victory any day now.
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 No.476096

>>476089
>I have personal stake in this war, to the tune of $15k
You bet on it ? Like a backalley rooster fight, except it's with people and it's threatening the world with war-escalation ?

Can't you gamble like normal people and waste your money in a casino or something ?
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 No.476097

>>476091
But the Russians clearly can into industrial warfare.
>>476095
>Meanwhile, reality
You mean your propaganda bubble
>ATACMS
ah yes the new super-weapon that will surely turn the tide of the war, unlike all those previous super-weapons that didn't
>half of the RF helicopter fleet now destroyed
If we correct for the propaganda inflation, that means they destroyed what 1-3 helicopter ?
Out of how many hundreds/thousands ?
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 No.476098

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>>476096
I sent money to kill subhumans. I sent equipment, tools, and so on. I expect no return other than dead Russian animals, and I while my investment has borne fruit, I demand more.
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 No.476099

>>476097
>Stage 1: Denial.
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 No.476100

>>476097
>But the Russians clearly can into industrial warfare.
If russkies could into industrial warfare this war would've been long over and they wouldn't be dying like dogs in a ditch lol.

They are not capable of mobilized war production and so are not capable of any large scale offensives. They are capable of only DYING LIKE DOGS.
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 No.476102

>>476095
rofl, in the real world due to their large size and rugged undeveloped terrain Russia is actually one of the largest producers of helicopters in the world. Ukraine with its finite depleted arsenal is unlikely to ever pose a serious threat to Russia's helicopter fleet.
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 No.476103

>>476098
i hope this is a bit, and you didn't really send money/stuff to an Ukraine-happening-scammer, that took your money and resold your crap on ebay.
>>476099
projection
>>476100
>If russkies could into industrial warfare
they can and they proved it by outproducing all of NATO in terms of military supplies like artillery shells
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 No.476105

>>476103
>i hope this is a bit, and you didn't really send money/stuff to an Ukraine-happening-scammer
Someone this unstable obviously doesn't have disposable income. He said it because he thought it would upset you. This is some hilariously primitive tribalism we're witnessing here. This is the kind of mentality that causes football fans to stab each other on the street after a big game.
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 No.476109

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>>476102
>Russia is actually one of the largest producers of helicopters
You just made this up. Congrats.
>Ukraine with its finite depleted arsenal is unlikely to ever pose a serious threat to Russia's helicopter fleet
We have pictures of mor than half of all Ka-52s being destroyed and Russia produces them in the single digits. Now you need to account for other models which Russia isn't producing.
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 No.476110

>>476103
I sent money to people I personally know and bought things to be sent by vetted groups. Keep fantasizing about it, though. I'm sure it might make you feel better.
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 No.476121

>>476109
I see some tan lines on sepia rectangles produced by one of the belligerents in a proxy war. You're going to have to produce more convincing evidence than this.
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 No.476125

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 No.476129

>>476100
So Ukraine is winning then right?
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 No.476136

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>>476110
>sending money to ukrops
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 No.476141

>>476125
No anon, a lazy formulaic reaction image doesn't constitute an argument or evidence.
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 No.476151

>>476136
I will help anyone willing to kill Russian soldiers. This is the only correct opinion.
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 No.476152

>>476151
Nice keep it up! When ukraine admits defeat you will have wasted your money and those that you sent it to will hopefully be dead. Good work.
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 No.476156

>>476151
Based. Fuck russkie nazoid scum.
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 No.476157

>>476152
>When ukraine admits defeat
Only after Europe freezes, russkie!
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 No.476158

>>476157
>Europe freezes
Didn't eurofags not have enough gas to heat their homes last winter, and they blew up the pipeline to get that gas anyway?

I guess it's good that you bought into the propaganda, underestimating the situation will hopefully give me some liberal tears on the internet. Though in reality it's quite sad: US funding for the war will dry up soon anyways as the US turns it's head to the next conflict in the next region. If you really think about it all those westerners with ukraine flags really just support using them as cannon fodder in a proxy war against russia. I guess they can also get rich rebuilding there in their usual imperialist ways. I don't expect liberals to actually reflect on that when it's all said and done. They just side with the ruling class's story because it's easier than thinking critically.
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 No.476160

>>476158
>Didn't eurofags not have enough gas to heat their homes last winter
No? lol

>and they blew up the pipeline to get that gas anyway?

nah, that was russkie spergs throwing a tantrum and blowing a pipeline

>US funding for the war will dry up soon

yes, just like it dried up for the mujaheddin kek

>They just side with the ruling class's story because it's easier than thinking critically.

ironic coming from a zigger that swallows Kremlin propaganda harder than a seaport whore swallows dick kek
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 No.476161

>>476158
>Didn't eurofags not have enough gas to heat their homes last winter
Yes but they got away with a pretty mild winter last year. Let's see if that happens again this year.
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 No.476162

>>476161
That and a hole bunch of energy consuming industries got shut down. Turning off you industry so you can run the heater isn't ideal
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 No.476163

>>476152
Even if that happened, and it won't, that won't bring back dead ziggers. Yes, they deserve to die, and I hope they burn in Hell.
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 No.476164

>>476161
>Let's see if that happens again this year.
Nothing happens, zigga. Europe's gas storage is full.
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 No.476165

Especially considering that Russkia JUST CAN'T HELP itself but sell gas to Europe kek.

I bet russkie elites would've sold oil to Hitler as Germans were advancing on Moscow kek.

All those russkie ziggers died for nothing, just as the pathetic nazoid dogs they are lol.
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 No.476166

>>476162
Right, it's deindustrializing Europe whether people freeze or not.
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 No.476168

>>476166
Conservation of some plants is not deindustrialization, zigga.

Europe would have enough industry to push your shit to Sakhalin and back lol even with all the conservations in the world.
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 No.476171

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>>476166
Yeah the US has back-stabbed the EU by causing energy-shortages through sanctions, pipeline-sabotage and induced capital-flight leading to de-industrialization. However it also has to be said that Europe has nuclear power technology that it could have made it completely energy independent decades ago.
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 No.476172

>>476171
A fair point. I think nuclear power (at least in the traditional pressurized/water-mediated form) requires a lot of initial investment to build up though, necessitating state intervention. Which makes it difficult for any given regime to consider a nuclear transition even though it's clearly been working out well for France.
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 No.476174

Imagine invading a country, killing a bunch of civilians, destroying a bunch of infrastructure, and then crying how everyone is mean to you lol and is gleeful at the sight of your russkie dogs with blown off legs slowly dying in a ditch lol.
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 No.476176

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 No.476179

>>476088
>accumulate surplus value
rightoids trying to talk like communists will never stop being funny.
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 No.476180

>>476179
yeah, ziggers talking about imperialism and capital export is cringe as fuck
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 No.476189

>>476179
>rightoids trying to talk like communists will never stop being funny.
Redefining common words is a thing cults do to make it harder for you to have meaningful conversations with people outside your eachochamber. Instead of being forced to confront the contradictions and logical fallacies in your own belief system you just chastise them for using words "incorrectly" and so you stay trapped in your intellectual prison.
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 No.476222

>>476057
Anon is huffing copium probably because he's upset at the destruction. I can sympathize but he's becoming a professional reality denier, and it's kinda sad to see.
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 No.476233

>>476189
You don't accumulate value, you accumulate capital. It isn't a matter of word choice, capital and value are completely different things. Someone calling themself any kind of socialist, communist, vague leftist would know that.

But our Ukronazi diaspora in Canada friend has already said he isn't a socialist. He's just here to regurgitate Ukrainian propaganda. He gave $15.000 for the silverware in one of ZelenskyyC?'s villas even.

He's just a dumb nationalist, huffing neonazi copium. I am just waiting for the inevitable "we didn't want them anyway!" cope when Russia keeps the five oblasts it took from Ukraine.
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 No.476234

>>476233
>You don't accumulate value, you accumulate capital.
what do you think a capital is lol?

what do you think happens to extracted surplus value lol?

quit embarrassing yourself nazoid lol
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 No.476235

I spill it out for your dumbfuckoid: Capital is accumulated value.

Kek.
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 No.476236

>>476234
>what do you think a capital is lol?
>a capital

>what do you think happens to extracted surplus value lol?

It doesn't have to become capital. The profit can be spent on drugs and alcohol.

You are hopelessly out of depth here.
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 No.476238

>>476236
>It doesn't have to become capital. The profit can be spent on drugs and alcohol.
yes lol, it doesn't become capital (ie accumulated value) if it doesn't get accumulated

real genius moment there zigga kek
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 No.476239

>>476233
>It isn't a matter of word choice, capital and value are completely different things.
Words are just labels. The fact that you can't talk about the ideas behind the labels unless somebody uses the exact same definitions that marx uses is precisely what >>476189 is talking about.
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 No.476240

>>476233
I'm more socialist than you are. You're just a dumbfuck tankie who simps for dictatorships and terrorists. I like how you simply made up that I said something, like a typical pidorashka.
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 No.476241

>>476235
Capital is value in motion. It's the self-expansion of value. Simply accumulating shit doesn't make it capital.
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 No.476243

>>476241
>Capital is value in motion.
you just made that on the spot kek

is gold in vaults capital zigga?
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 No.476246

>>476243
>is gold in vaults capital
Not until it's invested to obtain more than the starting amount. This is a very basic definition that you're having trouble with here.
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 No.476249

>>476246
>Not until it's invested to obtain more than the starting amount.
yes, that what accumulation means dumbfuck kek

let me axe you a question: does value that is used to purchase your mom's anti-STD pills not move?
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 No.476250

>>476246
>Not until it's invested to obtain more than the starting amount.
also, it doesn't even need to be invested

if the rate of return on new investment is lower than the rate of inflation you can just keep hoarding gold
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 No.476251

>>476250
>what is value
ngmi
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 No.476252

>>476251
abstract socially-necessary labor time? you wanted to say something zigga?
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 No.476253

>>476238
>it doesn't become capital (ie accumulated value) if it doesn't get accumulated
Who is playing word games now? You said accumulated surplus value. But the surplus value is just what we call the difference between the total value the workers creates and the fraction of that value the workers get back. It isn't a name for a thing someone can actually accumulate.

Capital is the land, means of production, money, that can be used to acquire more capital. Profit of a company can be spent on commodities, in which case it doesn't become capital.

You have no idea what you're talking about, and it shows.
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 No.476254

>>476253
>Who is playing word games now?
you?

>You said accumulated surplus value.

I said accumulated value, myopic dumbfuck. Accumulated value is by definition a surplus value.

>But the surplus value is just what we call the difference between the total value the workers creates and the fraction of that value the workers get back.

>It isn't a name for a thing someone can actually accumulate.
Are you literally retarded? Surplus value can't be accumulated? So how do profits get accumulated then dumbfuck?

>Capital is the land, means of production, money, that can be used to acquire more capital. Profit of a company can be spent on commodities, in which case it doesn't become capital.

Yes, capital is accumulated value. That's what I said, dumbfuck, you literally quoted me lol

<it doesn't become capital (ie accumulated value) if it doesn't get accumulated
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 No.476260

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>>476254
>capital (ie accumulated value)
So this is the hill you wanna die on eh?
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 No.476261

>>476260
yes

you wanted to say something, bitch?
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 No.476263

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>>476088
>>476234
https://www.marxists.org/glossary/terms/c/a.htm#capital
https://www.marxists.org/glossary/terms/s/u.htm#surplus-value
at least read up on the basics of what the words you're posting mean if you're going to larp as a communist, hohol
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 No.476264

>>476088
>I said accumulated value, myopic dumbfuck.
You wrote "accumulate surplus value" twice.
>>476254
"Y-y-you don't have to accumulate surplus value! And I don't have to accumulate surplus value! We totally have a say in the matter!"
You've been caught out. Stop worming around. But this is what you nazis do.
>Surplus value can't be accumulated?
Surplus value isn't a thing, like apples or money or land. It is just a name for a difference between two variables. The capitalist takes the profits, which include the surplus value. Profits can come from firing workers and having less expenses, or from selling assets, none of which create value.

No capitalist writes on their balance sheet "surplus value" and actually calculates how much is stolen. Saying that the capitalist accumulates surplus value is at best imprecise and incomplete.

You're playing with the big boys now.
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 No.476265

>>476263
how about you shove your quotes up your arse dogmoid?

money is a representation of value, dumfuck

when you accumulate money you accumulate value

ACCUMULATION implies a self-expanding value dumfuck

<The act of gathering or amassing

it's in the word DUMBFUCK
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 No.476267

>>476264
>You wrote "accumulate surplus value" twice.
>Y-y-you don't have to accumulate surplus value! And I don't have to accumulate surplus value! We totally have a say in the matter!
lol dumbfuck

and you wrote "You don't accumulate value, you accumulate capital."

and I replied "Capital is accumulated value." not fucking "Capital is accumulated surplus value." dumbfuck

but IT DOESN'T EVEN MATTER LOL, because as I said "Accumulated value is by definition a surplus value.", ie "accumulated value" = "accumulated surplus value"

you absolute retardoid kek

>Surplus value isn't a thing

LMAO. What an absolute theorylet. As expected of a zigger kek.

Surplus value is not just an accounting artifact you fucking subjectivist retard.

Surplus value OBJECTIVELY EXIST IN THE REAL WORLD in the form of various concrete labor times that comprise an abstract socially-necessary labor time.

Get fucking OWNED solipsist bitch lol.
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 No.476268

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>>476265
>money is a representation of value
no, money is a COMMODITY that stores value
>when you accumulate money you accumulate value
<mfw printing dollar bills and just holding them is "accumulating value"
jesus christ, go read marx faggot
you have a literal trollface comics understanding of economics
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 No.476269

>>476268
>no, money is a COMMODITY that stores value
are you from the 19th century dumbfuck?

what commodity backs money now dumbfuck?

>mfw printing dollar bills and just holding them is "accumulating value"

<what is inflation
get the fuck out of here theorylet bitchoid
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 No.476270

>>476269
try reading it again, money ITSELF is a commodity
https://www.marxists.org/glossary/terms/m/o.htm#money
please do some reading
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 No.476271

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>when you tell someone to go read marx when they point out how we don't have commodity money anymore
peak dogmoid retard kek
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 No.476272

>>476270
>money ITSELF is a commodity
what is the SNLT of this """commodity""" retardoid kek?
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 No.476273

>>476270
>please do some reading
maybe you should do less "reading", dogmoid, and do more "thinking"? just a thought kek
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 No.476274

>>476271
>>476272
>>476273
>she thinks the development of new money-forms that aren't "backed" by things like gold made money not a commodity anymore
i can't even begin to understand how you came up with this
do you even know what a commodity is?

don't answer, you're probably going to post some even more retarded shit, go read instead
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 No.476275

man this place smells like shit, who let the hohol in?
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 No.476276

>>476274
>do you even know what a commodity is?
a commodity is any good or service produced by human labour

what human labor goes into dollars, what its SNLT dumbfuck?

I told you, quit embarassing yourself theorylet kek
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 No.476277

File: 1697928919533.png ( 417.25 KB , 640x628 , marx thinking.png )

>>476276
>a commodity is any good or service produced by human labour
labor is a commodity though, how do you square this with your retarded definition of commodity?

im gonna keep linking you to the definition of these words until you give in and read a little bit
https://www.marxists.org/glossary/terms/c/o.htm#commodity
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 No.476278

File: 1697929005244.jpg ( 48.83 KB , 1280x695 , mobikk.jpg )

>>476275
is it winning time yet russkie?
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 No.476279

>>476277
>labor is a commodity though, how do you square this with your retarded definition of commodity?
Labour is what creates value, with the amount the capitalist can extract. Labour power is the ability to work. The labourer sells this ability.

you don't even know basic LTV bitch kek just shut up
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 No.476280

listen ziggas, why do you need to pretend to be marxists huh?

just stick to your fucking Dugins and shit kek
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 No.476281

>>476280
*dodges conscription*
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 No.476283

File: 1697932548139.png ( 994.1 KB , 1352x1251 , ClipboardImage.png )

update

jk it's from september 29 but ukrops are so pathetic that i can't even be fucked to get a new screenshot, nothing changed anyway
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 No.476285

File: 1697939317470.jpg ( 77.28 KB , 640x547 , faggot leftists.jpg )

>>476265
I'm glad you dropped the marxist act. Now you can just call yourself a leftist and we'll know what you really mean
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 No.476286

File: 1697968659100.jpg ( 160.12 KB , 1024x1024 , 1697965583492528m.jpg )

>500k dead/wounded subhumans
Kek
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 No.476287

>>476278
>gets destroyed
>immediately posts gore
typical dumb nazi
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 No.476288

>>476286
they're protesting in Kiev cause they want more cemeteries. they're protesting in Ukraine cause Ukrainian soldiers don't die, they go "missing".
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 No.476289

>>476280
You spend 24/7 simping for nato and the military industrial complex you're as marxist as reagan and thatcher.
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 No.476294

>>476286
If we account for the propaganda distortion factor, this appear to be saying that Russia suffered 15k to 19k "permanent casualties". Considering the Ukraine was a medium sized industrial country, that seems low. My guess would have been 30k to 40k.
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 No.476296

File: 1698000357851.png ( 1.89 MB , 1024x1024 , 1695889752860386.png )

>>476294
Get in the cube, faggot.
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 No.476297

File: 1698003520398.jpg ( 107.49 KB , 974x731 , thecube.jpg )

>>476296
You fool, i am the cube.
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 No.476298

File: 1698009859519.png ( 119.87 KB , 415x354 , 1697986246318470.png )

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 No.476299

>>476288
>they're protesting in Kiev cause they want more cemeteries
>MayWeSeeThem.tar.gz
Also:
>More zigger projecting
I guess those sailors in the Moskva just went AWOL in the middle of the Black Sea? Kek
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 No.476300

>>476294
>If we account for [COPE_I_JUST_MADE_UP] this appear(sic) to be saying [FIGURE_PULLED_FROM_MY_ASS]
You're losing, zigger. Nothing and no ine can change this.
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 No.476302

File: 1698024211225.png ( 80.99 KB , 359x412 , dog with glasses.png )

Ukraine basically has lost this war. NAFOID screeching aside, reality always asserts itself. The mainstream consciousness seems to be slowly catching up on that too. Are they going to continue the battle to uphold the consent-manufacturing-narrative, or are they going to throw in the towel ? Will there be some kind of self-reflection ? Even from a purely capitalist point of view this hole thing is a failed investment.
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 No.476303

>>476302
if ukrop anon wasn't invested in the conflict like what he claims when he's backed into a corner, why hasn't he given up his spergout? I'm still thinking he's a Canadian ukrop possibly in Ottawa or Toronto based on his screencap timezones he's got more skin in this game than he would lead you to believe.
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 No.476304

File: 1698030899104.jpg ( 345.65 KB , 1080x1120 , 1698011947920768.jpg )

>>476303
>>476302
>"In fact, we are devaluing all the strikes, and now the enemy is forced not only to stop, but also to stop active mass counterattacks. Sectorally, the enemy is still trying to break up in small groups, to move on to surround us more closely, but they are no longer able to do so. I think we can withstand this format. Now the Ukrainian Armed Forces are destroying the occupiers' advanced units to tighten the enemy's attack systems. Their destruction is a prerequisite not only for the defense of Avdiivka, but possibly for an offensive," noted General Malomuzh.

Caldron status?
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 No.476306

>>476304
>Gloves
Off
>Eyebrow
Raised
>Ass
Out
>Bacon
Flipped
>Button
Observed
>Balls
Scratched
>Red line
Approached
>Things
Known
>Conclusions
Drawn
>Hands
Washed
>Potatoes
Peeled
>Banana
Demanded
>Trash heap
Climbed
>Coconuts
Corroded
>Eggs
Measured
>Mobiks
Cubed
>Cocks
Disposable
>Brown line
Crossed
>Sun
Fucked
>Cauldron
Washed
>Morons
Filmed
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 No.476307

File: 1698048623514.png ( 7.31 KB , 185x212 , download.png )

>>476304
>>476306
>Nooo, you lost, stop fighting the subhumans in your country!!!
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 No.476309

>>476296
>latest Ukrainian wunderwaffe
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 No.476310

File: 1698062278140-0.png ( 940.9 KB , 1080x2002 , spoonfeeding.png )

File: 1698062278140-1.png ( 941.09 KB , 1080x1581 , spoonfeeding1.png )

>>476299
>MayWeSeeThem.tar.gz
you don't have web search engines where you are?
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 No.476311

>>476300
FIVE OBLASTS

20% OF UKRAINE

IN RUSSIAN CONTROL

By what metric is that "losing"? Because it is not a total victory?
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 No.476313

>>476310
>Literal RT headlines
We can tell it's bullshit every time you crop out the source, you stupid faggot.
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 No.476314

>>476311
It was 20% of Ukraine on early 2022. Zaraza now controls half of that, and it cannot keep this up. You will all die and it will be good.
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 No.476315

File: 1698083785395.jpg ( 121.94 KB , 600x450 , psychic.jpg )

>>476313
>We
Speak for yourself, you stupid faggot.
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 No.476316

>>476314
>Zaraza now controls half of that
source hohol?
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 No.476324

Theory of densely packed crisis clusters confirmed. Multipolarity asserts it self

<Never before have we talked to so many top government officials who in private are so worried about so many overseas conflicts at once. We don't like to sound dire, but to sound a siren of clinical, clear-eyed realism, US officials say that this confluence of crises poses epic concern, and historic danger. Behind the scenes officials tell us that inside the White House this week was the heaviest, chilling week

https://farside.link/invidious/watch?v=rvXZFBfLXEY
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 No.476330

>>476304
>Their destruction is a prerequisite not only for the defense of Avdiivka, but possibly for an offensive,"
Wait, I thought Ukraine was in the middle of an offensive?
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 No.476334

>>476330
In Zaporizhzhia, yes. Donetsk, no. If Ukrainians manage to take territory there, they will be doing something they had failed to do since 2015. I don't think the Russians have lost so many in this area for that to be possible. If it does happen, then general Russian collapse is just around the corner. Again, that is highly unlikely.
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 No.476335

>>476334
>If it does happen, then general Russian collapse is just around the corner. Again, that is highly unlikely.
I think the word you're looking for is impossible.
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 No.476345

>>476335
We've seen collapses in Russian lines in 2022. Calling it impossible just makes you look like a retard.
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 No.476348

>>476345
>We've seen collapses in Russian lines in 2022.
Snorting that copium huh ?
Tactical retreats are not collapses.
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 No.476354

>>476348
Kharkiv saw units completely lose contact and abandon so much equipment it doubled Ukrainian stocks. That was a collapse, and though it was temporary, you can't possibly call it an orderly retreat.
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 No.476355

>>476354
>abandon so much equipment it doubled Ukrainian stocks
I don't know if this is true, but lets assume it is.
The conclusions we can draw:
1. Russia is a well-stocked military if they can dump equipment like that.
2. They value people over stuff.
3. The Ukrainian military is poorly stocked if Russian left-overs double their stocks.
>That was a collapse, and though it was temporary,
See it's cope, the US militarily also leaves tons of equipment behind when they pull out. I can't really follow the logic in either case, but this doesn't appear to be unusual behavior for a military.
>You can't possibly call it an orderly retreat.
The pentagon did though.
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 No.476358

>>476355
>Russia is a well-stocked military if they can dump equipment like that.
The problem is doing it repeatedly, which Russia has done. Russia had a well-stocked military.
>They value people over stuff.
Letting whole units be surrounded with no warning doesn't sound like caring and sounds more like incompetence. They could have kept both if they had ordered a withdrawal like they later did in Kherson.
>The Ukrainian military is poorly stocked if Russian left-overs double their stocks.
Yes, Ukraine is the poorest country in Europe. And yet, it holds the initiative against a bigger, richer, and better stocked military than its own.
>See it's cope, the US militarily also leaves tons of equipment behind when they pull out.
The US destroyed its own equipment. The equipment captured by the Taliban belonged to the ANA. Would you suggest that the US strike its own allies to deny an enemy equipment?
> I can't really follow the logic in either case, but this doesn't appear to be unusual behavior for a military.
That's because you have no education on the matter. It's basic lack of communication and coordination.
>The pentagon did though.
No, they didn't. Why are you making things up?
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 No.476359

File: 1698184079920.gif ( 716.32 KB , 300x186 , but weyt.gif )

>>476354
>>476345
Working hard?
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 No.476361

>>476359
Do you subhumans ever get tired of the same cope? Yes, it's the CIA making you look like a dumbfuck online and not just you actually being an idiot.
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 No.476362

>>476358
Russia clearly has no shortages, at the rate they've ran this industrial war. Tho initially the Russians erroneously thought this would be a short war. They had to retreat because they had not mobilized enough man-power to keep thousands of km battle front staffed, once they had to cycle soldiers to give them rest.
They failed to account for US and UK ability to block peace
https://original.antiwar.com/ted_snider/2023/10/23/the-mounting-evidence-that-the-us-blocked-peace-in-ukraine/
>Yes, Ukraine is the poorest country in Europe. And yet, it holds the initiative against a bigger, richer, and better stocked military than its own.
No this is obviously wrong Ukraine held on for a few months and after that it could only keep going because they got military equipment from all over NATO and other countries trained Ukrainian soldiers. Russia was basically able to generate enough attrition pressure that NATO was not able to produce enough equipment and ammo.

I think you also can't explain why some militaries don't pack up their shit when they leave.

I read some relatively mainstream articles that referenced "Pentagon officials" calling it a orderly retreat. Honestly i don't understand why this is such an important distinction for you. For me the main take away is that the Russians prioritized the lives of their soldiers even if it costs them a big propaganda loss.

Tactical retreats are obviously sound strategy, because for your troops it means they live to fight another day. But it's really bad optics. Part of warfare probably is trying to provoke your enemy to make mistakes. If a military command cares enough about optics that's a weakness that can be exploited. They can be induced to commit to bad strategy because it has good optics. I think the Ukrainian military chose to over-commit to territorial defense when they should have done a retreat and regroup strategy because they prioritize optics. This is a major contributing factor of why they lost so badly on attrition.
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 No.476366

>>476362
To me, this begs the question why Ukraine hasn't transitioned to guerilla/partisan warfare. They have a few terrorist stunts here and there with their Crimea bridge obsession but seemingly not much else. Maybe their brief Crimea landing was the test run and they didn't like the results? For all the ukrop harping about how they'll win like Vietnam, they've failed to adopt any strategies such as hit and run or abandoning outposts to harass at a distance.
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 No.476367

>>476366
>To me, this begs the question why Ukraine hasn't transitioned to guerilla/partisan warfare.
I don't know, maybe it's a terrain thing after-all Vietnam is a very different country than Ukraine. It could also be a motivation thing. Guerilla fighters operate very independent, Ukrainians may not have a reason to fight and just walk away instead.
I'm just guessing.
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 No.476371

>>476366
>>476367
The question of guerilla motivation may also be a question of political economy. How frequent in history have independent guerilla fighters been of the right-wing variety? It seems like communist guerillas are a lot more motivated for long-term independent warfare than ethnonationalists, and communists in Ukraine have been strongly suppressed outside the Donbass and pushed away from West Ukrainian identity.
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 No.476372

>>476371
Counterexamples include the mujahideen/al-qaeda/al-nusra, the Contras, and the various terror squads that were part of Operation Gladio, none of which were independent. I suppose there's a pretty long list of "guerillas" supported by the CIA/MI6, so maybe political motivation isn't such a good thesis after all.
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 No.476374

>>476371
>How frequent in history have independent guerilla fighters been of the right-wing variety? It seems like communist guerillas are a lot more motivated for long-term independent warfare than ethnonationalists
I think the reason most guerilla fighters are either of the communist or anarchist variety is because guerilla fighters are by definition materially supported by the general population.
>>476372
>the various terror squads that were part of Operation Gladio, none of which were independent. I suppose there's a pretty long list of "guerillas" supported by the CIA/MI6,
Can foreign backed fighters really be considered guerillas tho ? At that point their more "asymmetric warfare proxies", to use the official tongue. Were any of these groups you listed based off material support from the locals ?
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 No.476375

>>476374
>Can foreign backed fighters really be considered guerillas tho ?
The Viet Cong had plenty of foreign backing, so yes. Guerilla warfare is about tactics, not whether you have support or not.
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 No.476455

File: 1698375245441.jpg ( 554.49 KB , 1302x908 , A-50.jpg )

Looks like Russia has started deploying large numbers of airborne radar systems, resulting in a massive increase in shot down Ukrainian planes and intercepted missiles. It will be a short time now until total air superiority. And perhaps soon after that, the end of the war.
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 No.476456

>>476455
In addition to that, people also have been speculating about the Russians using a new type of weapon because it seemed unusual that so many ukro-jets got downed in such a short time.
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 No.476466

File: 1698398771637.jpg ( 8.03 KB , 196x146 , russianBBC.jpg )

>>476455
what did they mean by this?
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 No.476491

File: 1698443589805.txt ( 11.21 KB , bbc-acronym-slang.txt )

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 No.476506

>Gaza and Israel
>US election
<Ukraine is forgotten…
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 No.476510

>>476506
<Ukraine is forgotten…
The media memory-holed it for now. But after the US elections, it might return. Unless of course the Zionists set the entire middle east on fire. The US is also moving a fuck-ton of navel-assets to the middle east, which could be interpreted as preparation to throw down with Iran. So who knows how many shitcans are about to be opened.
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 No.476511

File: 1698623990099.png ( 463.64 KB , 614x842 , 1698593418068238.png )

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 No.476514

>>476511
why are NAFOids obsessed with gay sex?
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 No.476515

File: 1698673385024.jpg ( 315.43 KB , 1146x1620 , 1671690690995289.jpg )

>>476514
they're projecting
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 No.476525

File: 1698762988265.gif ( 3.58 MB , 576x400 , 1698755149260.gif )

what did Zelenskyy mean by this?
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 No.476528

File: 1698783055958.png ( 101.86 KB , 794x635 , 1698783006245.png )

>>476525
>Based zelensky getting prime time pussy unlike you manslave zigger untermensch. Incels rise up!
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 No.476530

>>476525
>what did Zelenskyy mean by this?
Little Children radiate a kind of innocence about them, because life hasn't happened to them yet, and they've yet to make the wrong choices. Zelensky might be trying to lessen the aura of darkness that surrounds him, because he send so many Ukrainians to their deaths on behalf of big capital interests.
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 No.476540

bros… I think our resident Ukronazi got sent to the front. I don't think the naziposting in this thread prepared him for the battle of Avdiivka. RIP.
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 No.476541

>>476540
Kek, I noticed that the Vatnik kvetching ITT died down a few weeks ago too. Just figured it was because their supervisor at their troll farm realized this board is irrelevant.
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 No.476542

>>476540
Some other Anon >>476303 thinks the resident Ukronazi might have been located in Canada. So it's unlikely that he got conscripted.

It might just be that the Ukraine conflict is basically lost. The west told the Ukranian regime they have to make a deal with Russia or else they will gradually wind down support to nothing.
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 No.476589

File: 1699091921337.png ( 428.67 KB , 905x596 , ClipboardImage.png )

lol
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 No.476590

>>476589
>Ukraine will lose more territory after the counter-offensive than they could have lost before it
JUST
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 No.476593

>>476589
Yeah it's tempting to taunt them for seeking peace negotiations, after 2 years of "attack until total victory". As an "we told you so". Still we shouldn't poo poo peace negotiations, if those are indeed earnest. The motivations are probably not very noble either. They probably want to close the front with Russia in order to focus more arms-supplies to the Zionreich.

It kinda feels like switching off the Ukraine war would be good, because then we can focus on halting the big slaughter in occupied Palestine.
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 No.476621

File: 1699259845660.jpg ( 2.5 KB , 127x108 , sad bugs.jpg )

I miss propaganda-kun.
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 No.476623

File: 1699291419485.jpg ( 130.39 KB , 998x481 , 1699291410775.jpg )

>>476621
He's a real woman in heaven now, anon. Just not on his gravestone
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 No.476626

>>476621
The Ukraine war is lost. Even Ukrainian officials are now admitting it. If the US and EU don't force Zelensky to make a deal with the Russians. Russia will slowly gobble up more parts of Ukraine until only the western parts around Lviv are left over. I'm basing this speculation about Russian intentions on their rhetoric about what parts of Ukraine they consider to be historically Russian.

So the propaganda-kun declaring with great confidence that Ukraine is about to woopediwoop the Russian military, no longer serves a purpose. Besides Israel is generating so much headlines that the Loss in Ukraine is being overshadowed.
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 No.476627

File: 1699304504694.jpg ( 37.6 KB , 754x559 , theory of victory.jpg )

They're at it again, It's not a defeat it's just a different kind of victory.
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 No.476628

File: 1699305427100.jpg ( 27.24 KB , 384x577 , Maxim Goldarb.jpg )

Ukranian SBU is hunting more political opposition

Maxim Goldarb who is part of the "Union of left forces party" (not sure if that name is 100% correct) in Ukraine and legal scholar, has been writing articles for western news sites, where he advocated for a peace process.

Considering that there is a real possibility for a radical change in government in Ukraine, on account of them loosing the war, it seems unwise to make more political enemies.
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 No.476629

>>476628
So what happened to Maxim Putin-kun
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 No.476630

>>476629
They did intimidation harassment and they are accusing him of aiding "the aggressor" via "information activities", by which they mean him publishing journalistic articles that promote peaceful conflict resolution.

They're punishing this guy for having a conscience. Meanwhile actual Russian spies most likely posing as "Slava Ukrani" right-wingers are probably happily infiltrating deep into the Ukro-state preparing the ground for the post-war regime change bugaloo.

The repression against journalism related stuff is kind of teaching me that the liberal idea of a fifth estate is incomplete. You need to pair journalists with heavily armed commando units that enforce press freedom. You know civil liberty backed up by deterrence capacity.
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 No.476644

>>474640
Because a victory for Ukrainian Nazis in this war just means Ukraine is subsumed into globohomo, not the rise of the fourth reich.
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 No.476645

>>475032
>Putting a soyjak over them won't make them go away.
https://twitter.com/oryxspioenkop
apparently it did, lol
seethe NAFO faggot
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 No.476679

Ukrainian military officer coordinated Nord Stream pipeline attack

<A senior Ukrainian military officer with deep ties to the country’s intelligence services played a central role in the bombing of the Nord Stream natural gas pipeline last year, according to officials in Ukraine and elsewhere in Europe, as well as other people knowledgeable about the details of the covert operation.


<The officer’s role provides the most direct evidence to date tying Ukraine’s military and security leadership to a controversial act of sabotage that has spawned multiple criminal investigations and that U.S. and Western officials have called a dangerous attack on Europe’s energy infrastructure.


<Roman Chervinsky, a decorated 48-year-old colonel who served in Ukraine’s Special Operations Forces, was the “coordinator” of the Nord Stream operation, people familiar with his role said, managing logistics and support for a six-person team that rented a sailboat under false identities and used deep-sea diving equipment to place explosive charges on the gas pipelines.


<Chervinsky denied any role in the sabotage of the pipelines.


<But the Nord Stream operation was designed to keep Zelensky out of the loop, people familiar with the operation said.

<“All of those involved in planning and execution reported directly to [chief of defense] Zaluzhnyy, so Zelensky wouldn’t have known about it,” according to intelligence reporting obtained by the CIA

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/11/11/nordstream-bombing-ukraine-chervinsky/

It seems that they are making an Spy(Chervinsky) and a General(Zaluzhnyy) from Ukraine the fall-guys for Nordstream and they're going with the 6 guys and a boat story. Interestingly they're protecting Zelensky.

Does that mean they're preparing to wrap up the Ukraine war ? If Ukraine bombed the pipeline that in part also belonged to Germany, it means that Germany now has a convenient political rational to stop supporting Ukraine's war effort, because technically Ukraine attacked German infrastructure.

I still think that US and Norway did NS2 but if it means this war finally ends, it might be worth going along with this story and correct the historic record at a later date. Can you end a war with a lie ?
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 No.476680

>>476679
This doesn't politically challenge the US enough. But even this limited defeat can be used as a propaganda talking point. I'm waiting to get drafted so I can do praxis in Israel with my beloved rotc fags now officers
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 No.476681

>>476679
>according to intelligence reporting obtained by the CIA
It's lines like this that I expect from the Onion. Love when Bezos's Rag doesn't even make any pretense at independent reporting and verification.
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 No.476682

>>476680
>This doesn't politically challenge the US enough.
For that to happen there would have to be:
- A witness from the involved military circles willing to testify.
- The German government making a big international incident out of this.
- Technically the Russian government could retaliate in kind and fuck up a US pipeline, which would force the US to either declare war against Russia or admit that Russia retaliated against US aggression.

I doubt the Russians are willing to play hard-ball like that. They might have sufficient evidence to embarrass the US and they're keeping this as a bargaining chip they can play later.
I don't quite understand the German position, they swallowed this, but they don't appear to have gotten anything in return for that, at least not yet.
A witness coming forward is always a unpredictable wild-card, they would have to find political allies willing to protect them.

>But even this limited defeat can be used as a propaganda talking point

Sure but the public attention train has moved on, so don't expect big wins.
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 No.476683

>>476681
>It's lines like this that I expect from the Onion. Love when Bezos's Rag doesn't even make any pretense at independent reporting and verification.
Yeah reality is now competing with satire.
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 No.476704

where's the insane hohol that used to post here?
did poland deport him back to ukroland to clear minefields?
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 No.476706

>>476704
>where's the insane hohol that used to post here?
He might have been from Canada (based on time-stamps in screenshots he posted). It's possible he was a clickfarm-glowie that shit-posted on this site to bolster his propaganda quota. Others have speculated that he was from Ukraine and stopped posting because he got drafted RIP.

Maybe not knowing is better. If he went splat because he was forced to take a artillery shell in the face in some Ukrainian meat-grinder town or a mine made him jump up in the air and then disperse him self over a wide area, would you really want to know ?
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 No.476707

>>476705
>I hate reddit so much.
Putting cheery music on war-footage is a bit cringe indeed
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 No.476713

File: 1699854732845.jpg ( 283.49 KB , 1170x660 , UN-vote-to-end-Cuba-embarg….jpg )

Some news that slipped under the radar recently.
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 No.476715

>>476713
Buy the world supports the sanctions against Russia vatnik.
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 No.476716

>>476715
ESL bargain bin propaganda kun incoming
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 No.476718

>>476716
>autocorrect typos = ESL
Gotta take those emersion courses your troll farm boss sends you to more seriously Vatnik.
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 No.476719

>>476715
Except it doesn't, rofl
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 No.476720

>>476719
Yes it does, the whole world was against the Ukraine invasion
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 No.476721

>>476715
>the world supports the sanctions against Russia
The majority of countries did not sanction Russia, so that is wrong.

>>476720
>the whole world was against the Ukraine invasion
You are trying move the goal-post and technically this is still wrong, a number of countries publicly did fully support Russia. Off the top of my head Syria and the DPRK.
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 No.476729

>>476718
>emersion courses
immersion, dumb ESL hohol.
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 No.476732

>>476729
zelensky is barely paying him go easy. it's hard your first day on the job
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 No.476735

So it seems there was a recent move to sack some Ukrainian generals. Are we finally approaching the Hitler-in-a-bunker phase?
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 No.476738

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>>476735
what do you mean approaching?
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 No.476806

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>>476738
I'm approaching your moms anus with my tongue.
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 No.476809

>>476738
Yeah Zelensky did recently give off Führerbunker vibes
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 No.476810

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>>476806
someone has to do it so I'm glad it's you ukrop kun
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 No.476818

>>476809
He's been purging the intelligence services and military leadership of anyone not loyal to him. He says Russia is planning a coup against him called "Maidan 3". Implying two things 1) that Maidan was a coup, 2) that Zaluzhny (only person who could do a coup) is a Russian agent.
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 No.476820

>>476818
>He's been purging the intelligence services and military leadership of anyone not loyal to him.
So he's creating an internal enemy and is giving it the incentive to plot against him. Yeah that's kinda stupid. Clever state-craft is based on appointing the trusted personal to important positions and all those that can't be trusted get busywork somewhere irrelevant.

>He says Russia is planning a coup against him called "Maidan 3"

I think the Russians are still open to a negotiated end of the war, but only if the US makes credible assurances to back off from Ukraine. That scenario is not looking very likely, but that probably would mean that Zelensky could remain as president. Tho the Russians would certainly insist that he restores the electoral processes, and it's dubious whether Zelensky would get re-elected. Considering that he campaigned on making peace with Russia.

The more likely scenario is that all negotiations fail and the Russians apply military pressure until the Ukrainian state collapses. Which technically would not be a coup, because that's destroying a state not replacing it's leadership via a military conspiracy. What that will look like, who knows, Ukraine might shrink to Lviv + the surrounding areas.

>Implying two things

>1) that Maidan was a coup,
Your are talking about the 2014 happenings, technically that was a regime change operation, because the armed fascist groups like Azov weren't Ukrainian military at that point, they were US proxy forces. So technically not a coup.
>2) that Zaluzhny (only person who could do a coup) is a Russian agent.
If Zelensky thinks that he's delusional, Zaluzhny seemed to be the guy that was pushing back against the retarded ukro military strategy that made them loose the war so hard.
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 No.476848

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Good afternoon, I hate Ziggers, and goodnight Polina, may you rest in shit.
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 No.476849

>>476848
are you that slightly unhinged ukrop anon ?
you back from the front ?
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 No.476856

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>>476848
>only Ukrainian "win" in the past month is killing an actress
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 No.476861

>>476856
Yeah shit's bleak for Ukraine, especially since they're now gearing up for total demographic depletion. They're preparing to feed the remainder of their young people into the meat-grinder.

Check out Mercouris' video on that
https://farside.link/invidious/watch?v=zK70pqqnhvE

At least someone took a dump on Bandera's grave apparently.
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 No.476862

>>476861
>At least someone took a dump on Bandera's grave apparently.
Source?
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 No.476863

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>>476862
>Source?
pause the video at 10 seconds to get a better look, if you're not too squeamish.
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 No.476864

>>476856
Yes, and Ukraine is fighting with exclusively child soldiers and old men, so when is Russia taking Avdiivka?
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 No.476865

>>476864
>when is Russia taking Avdiivka?
they're doing it as we speak
>Russia holds the high ground north and south
>Russia is flying bombing missions over Avdeevka (this means no Ukrop AA or even MANPADS are there)
>Russia has sent tanks to the southern industrial district and they are doing work unopposed
>two Ukrop brigades have left Avdeevka already
Avdeevka is a fortress like Bakhmut, because it was part of the front line for the past 9 years. If Zelensky gave the order to hold it at all costs, this means Russians will have to clear the city house by house, apartment by apartment, room by room, like they did in Bakhmut, this takes time.
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 No.476866

>>476865
>they're doing it as we speak
They've been at it for about as long as the war has been on. When can we expect them to take it? Half a month?
>Avdeevka is a fortress like Bakhmut
Ah, yes, the Giga Hyperdimensional Fortress Avdiivka. Please note that this is after the Russian military has totally and definitely destroyed the UA airforce ten times over, every HIMARS twice, and killed close to 20000000 Ukrainian soldiers and NATO mercenaries.
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 No.476867

>>476866
Ukraine has lost an entire generation of young men by throwing it in a meat grinder (and coming soon: women) and you're still trying to minimize Russian success. Really makes you think.
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 No.476868

>>476867
What? I'm saying Russia has definitely, totally, and undeniably won, and therefore it should be absolutely no problem for them to end this war this very moment, just like the war was to end after Bakhmut because Ukraine was out of soldiers. If this feels like minimizing Russian "success" to you, then it's probably because you know all of that shit is made up.
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 No.476869

>>476867
>Ukraine has lost an entire generation of young men by throwing it in a meat grinder (and coming soon: women)
It's a brutal evolutionary process called survival of the draft-evaders

>Russian success.

I don't know if you can call this outcome a full success. Russia is certainly winning the war, but then again there never was any real possibility for Ukraine to win a industrial war against Russia, that was a forgone conclusion. The best possible outcome would have been a diplomatic resolution during the diplomatic phases that preceded the 2022 escalation from civil war to direct military confrontation. In the geo-political arena the Russian ability to deplete western military resources, the denial of Nato expansion and their ability to have economic growth despite sanctions is probably their biggest win.

Overall they came out on top, but lets not forget that the Russians also lost a bunch of people. Their losses are far smaller than Ukraine's but still.

>>476868
>I'm saying Russia has definitely, totally, and undeniably won
Yes Russia defeated Ukraine without question, but Ukraine and Russia are not the only players.
>and therefore it should be absolutely no problem for them to end this war this very moment
For the war to end, Russia and the US have to come to some kind of agreement.
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 No.476871

>>476866
>after the Russian military has totally and definitely destroyed the UA airforce ten times over, every HIMARS twice, and killed close to 20000000 Ukrainian soldiers and NATO mercenaries.
Pure projection. Ukraine is the one claiming to have killed+wounded not only more people than Russia has in Ukraine, but more than the total number of soldiers in the Russian armed forces. They also claim to have destroyed more tanks and artillery than Russia has in its whole army.

This begs the question: who is Ukraine fighting and how come they haven't taken Crimea back yet?

>Steineskys counter-attack is coming!

I bet Hitler thought he was winning up until the very end.
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 No.476872

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>>476871
forgot pics
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 No.476873

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Russians Use Underground Tunnels To Storm Ukrainian Strongholds In Avdeevka

<The Russian military shared footage of the ongoing operations in Avdeevka

<The attack began with the detonation of 500 kg of a high-explosive shell that was delivered through an underground tunnel under Ukrainian positions and planted near Ukrainian stronghold in advance. The next day, Russian stormtroopers passed through the tunnels and penetrated into the defense

https://southfront.press/in-video-russians-use-underground-tunnels-to-storm-ukrainian-strongholds-in-avdeevka/
<The video in the link shows an assault operation by the Pyatnashka International Brigade, famous volunteer formation under the command of Darth Avidzba.

Tunnel warfare is back, no blasters tho
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 No.476875

>>476869
>For the war to end, Russia and the US have to come to some kind of agreement.
The US is not a party to the war. Honestly, though, Putin is such a troll not ending the war even though Ukraine has absolutely been defeated and is now basically fighting with nothing. Very strange. It's like a little joke.
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 No.476876

>>476871
>This begs the question: who is Ukraine fighting and how come they haven't taken Crimea back yet?
Supposedly the second strongest military on earth. Obviously it isn't that they are having success in the battlefield, but simply that the eyebrow has not been raised far enough.

>>476872
That's an independent site, which notably does not track according to UKR MoD numbers.
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 No.476877

>>476875
>The US is not a party to the war.
Of course they are, they're the biggest source of funding for the Ukrainian government. And therefore they have most of the power over it. The US also supplies a huge part of the weapons and battlefield intelligence.

If one subtracted US influence over Ukraine, the war would cease.

>not ending the war

>Ukraine has absolutely been defeated
The Russians are not going to relent until they can extract a guaranty from the US to never again try to NATO-fy Ukraine. If they can't get that, they'll wreck Ukraine, until it can't be weaponized against anybody.

It seems that there still are some remaining US strategists looking for an out where they can press the pause button now and try again later. They're probably thinking about rearming and rebuilding Ukraine enough to try this again in a decade or two. That's likely the sticking point that keeps this war going.
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 No.476878

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>>476876
>That's an independent site, which notably does not track according to UKR MoD numbers.
It's run by the "Special Operations Forces of Ukraine" which is a BRANCH OF THE UA MILITATY. They get their numbers from the Ukrainian MoD.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Operations_Forces_(Ukraine)

When the Ukrop MoD says shit like "300 Russians killed, 50 tanks destroyed" it adds up. They usually claim they've killed hundreds of Russians per day, multiply it by the number of days in the war and you arrive at 322.000. Actually, the average works out to about 400 per day. They claim to have killed 1100 yesterday, so 400 is actually a low figure for them.

Keep coping.
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 No.476879

>>476877
>Of course they are,
They aren't. There are no US troops involved in the conflict, and if that is the case, why doesn't Russia attack the US?
>The Russians are not going to relent until they can extract a guaranty from the US
They're not fighting the US, and it's not up to the US whether the Ukrainians stop fighting.
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 No.476880

>>476878
>It's run by the "Special Operations Forces of Ukraine"
There's no evidence of that, since the MoD is putting out different numbers. It's funny that you only quote Ukrainian propaganda when it suits you instead of official numbers by the MoD or other intelligence agencies, kek.
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 No.476881

>>476880
>There's no evidence of that,
IT SAYS ON THE TOP AND BOTTOM OF THE WEBSITE YOU FUCKING RETARD.
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 No.476882

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>>476880
Here's the official MoD numbers from r/ukraine. Surprise! It's the same.
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 No.476883

>>476879
How can you possibly deny at this point that the US is using Ukraine as a proxy against Russia. Even the mainstream media is not trying to hide that anymore. Stop trying to uphold the propaganda line from a year ago.

There is no way to get a negotiated peace in Ukraine unless the US and the Russians come to an agreement. It would be better if that could be done before Ukraine sacrifices more people.

Do you realize that you are promoting the outcome where the West forces Ukraine to fight until total defeat, and by extension grant the Russians the ability to unilaterally dictate peace terms and completely freeze out the US and EU influence from that part of the world. Possibly indefinitely.
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 No.476884

>>476881
It says "With the help of…" That's not an official site. This is why I don't personally use any Ukrainian website and instead rely on independent observers. UK MoD and US DoD estimates are probably more accurate.
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 No.476885

>>476883
You're now making another claim, and it also fails because Russia could simply leave Ukraine and end the war. This is a war of choice. Again, the US is not a party to the conflict. If it is, then Russia is a country of cucked pussies that resist attacking those that attack them, kek.
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 No.476886

>>476885
>Russia could simply leave Ukraine and end the war. This is a war of choice.
Sometime psychopaths impose an ultimatum on their victims but call it choice. It's like a strange thing where the words say the opposite of what they mean to say.

When the US regime-changed Ukraine and began the process of Nato integration, they gave Russia an ultimatum: Either submit to US imperial dominance, which would have resulted in Russia getting balkanized into lots of little ethno-nationalist vassal regimes that facilitate resource extraction. Or Russia could go ahead and wreck Ukraine to neutralize it as a US-lever to break up Russia.

Neither of these options can be considered a choice. Choices are given to you by people who consider you as their equal, not people who try to subjugate you.

The US knew that regime changing Ukraine would cause war. They chose to do that because they thought that it would weaken Russia. They thought the sanctions plus military expenses would collapse their economy and allow the US to regime change Russia. Turns out they were wrong about that, just a bunch of Neo-cons huffing their own exceptionalism farts.

>Russia is a country of cucked pussies that resist attacking those that attack them, kek

A direct hot war between Russia and the US would most likely lead to WW3 and full scale nuclear annihilation of human civilization. You are deranged for attempting to bait the Russians into an omnicidal war.
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 No.476887

>>476886
>Sometime psychopaths impose an ultimatum on their victims but call it choice.
This is not that time. Russia could just go back. It's that easy. However, as they have already won this war and completely destroyed the Ukrainian military, it should be absolutely no problem for them to take the rest. Let's go, we're waiting to see it.
>When the US regime-changed Ukraine
Didn't. No matter how much you say it.
>Either submit to US imperial dominance
No, just don't invade Ukraine. They also had started movement to take Crimea before their puppet was removed, kek.
>Neither of these options can be considered a choice.
Yeah, Russia could have just not invaded Ukraine. That would not have led to a breakup of Russia. A disastrous war, on the other hand, might.
>The US knew that regime changing Ukraine would cause war
No, and they didn't do that. Again, change in Ukrainian government does not imply a need for Russian invasion unless you believe that all countries bordering Russia have to do what those faggots say.
>A direct hot war between Russia and the US would most likely lead to WW3
Okay, so thanks for finally admitting that the US is not a party to this conflict.
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 No.476888

Good evening, Pidors. I hate ziggers.
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 No.476889

>>476887
Bruh, the pentagon published (through RAND corporation) a strategy paper where they describe this strategy of implicating Russia in a Ukraine war to deplete it's military and economic stamina. You're not contradicting me, you're contradicting the US government.

>Russia should take the rest of Ukraine

>Let's go, we're waiting to see it.
I would like the US and Russia to negotiate peace. You seem too eager for more war. If this war is decided on the battlefield however i wouldn't expect Russia to rush anything, time appears to be on their side.

>I deny that the US regime-changed Ukraine

Too bad that Blinken and Nuland already admitted it.

>just don't invade Ukraine

Same goes for the US, just don't regime change Ukraine, they couldn't help them selves on that one either.
You're not making much sense, if one great power starts messing with a country, other great powers tend to "join the party". I understand that your goal is to argue that only the US is allowed to fuck with other countries, a sentiment which you express by pretending that it didn't happen. But you can't expect the Russians to play by US rules.

>Again, change in Ukrainian government does not imply

The reality is that countries situated in-between big power blocks only get peace & prosperity if they stay neutral and play those powers off each other. They have to be "neutral buffers" to survive. The moment a country in such a position aligns with one side or the other, they're fucked because they just became a sacrificial pawn. Everything else is just idealist bullshit.

>the US is not a party to this conflict.

The US is a global empire they're party in 3/4 of all conflicts, including this one, especially because they instigated it. Being implicated in a war does not necessarily require direct battle confrontation, it's like you're deliberately trying to ignore the concept of proxy wars. Like the cold war between the West and the Soviet Union, that didn't happen according to you ? Those were just random countries having massive internal wars that just happen to involve lots of US and Soviet military equipment on opposing side by coincidence. Ridiculous !
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 No.476892

>>476889
>a strategy paper where they describe this strategy of implicating Russia in a Ukraine war to deplete it's military and economic stamina
Damn, seems like Russia shouldn't take the bait and not start a war. Also, I want source on that paper.
>I would like the US and Russia to negotiate peace.
And I want that peace to include the removal of all Russian troops from recognized Ukrainian territory. Moscow should simply leave.
>Too bad that Blinken and Nuland already admitted it.
They didn't, and you didn't listen to the call or the fact that the Ukrainians were pressed into signing Minsk by the west. Let's ignore that part, though.
>Same goes for the US, just don't regime change Ukraine,
Congratulations, the US didn't.
>The reality is that countries situated in-between big power blocks only get peace & prosperity if they stay neutral
Ukraine was neutral until Russia started annexing parts of its territory and funding terror groups in its territory.
>The US is a global empire they're party in 3/4 of all conflicts
Don't see any American troops fighting in Ukraine. Still not a party to the conflict. If you think this is the case, then Russia should be attacking Ukraine aid at the source. They won't, though, because that would actually make the US a party to the conflict.
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 No.476897

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>Mein Führer…

>The Schweiner counter-attack…
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 No.476899

>>476892
>Russia shouldn't take the bait
The Russia-Ukraine border represents a strategic weak-spot for Russia, they couldn't afford to ignore the US setting up shop in Ukraine. Bare in mind that the Russians did ignore Finland's entry to Nato, because in that case they could since that doesn't put pressure on a weak-spot.
>I want that peace to include the removal of all Russian troops from recognized Ukrainian territory
That was the deal with the Minsk 1&2 agreements as well as the Istanbul peace talks. Those got intentionally sabotaged because peace was never the intention, the neocons wanted this war to happen because they thought it'd weaken Russia. In the end the only goal the neocons achieved was separating Russo-German economic cooperation and stealing public funding for their buddies in the war-industry and shale-gas industry. The RU-GER split is probably temporary in historical terms and everything else pretty much went the opposite way of what they thought it was going to go. In the end they got a lot Ukrainians killed, wrecked the EU economy and squandered a lot of US imperial influence.
>They didn't
Yes Nuland and Blinken admitted to regime changing Ukraine in 2014, they even specifically decided on what people to put in certain political positions ahead of time. They also bragged about bombing the Nordstream2 pipeline. You'd have to be willfully ignorant to not see this.
>the fact that the Ukrainians were pressed into signing Minsk by the west
The intention was to buy time for re-arming Ukraine, even the Former Chancellor of Germany Angela Merkel published an article where she explicitly said exactly that.
>Congratulations, the US didn't.
It's beyond obvious that they did, why try to keep denying it ?
>Ukraine was neutral until
until the 2014 Euromaidan got hijacked by a CIA color revolution regime change operation. I'd say the Kiev Massacre was the inflection point where they lost their neutrality and became a US Vassal.
>Don't see any American troops fighting in Ukraine.
The US does have military personal in Ukraine, so you're even technically incorrect here. You should stop playing dumb and pretend that proxy-wars aren't a thing.
>then Russia should be attacking Ukraine aid at the source
So basically you want Russia to attack the US and Europe ?
In your opinion what exactly should they attack to make the aid to Ukraine stop ?
I get the impression that you want this, do you have some kind of apocalypse fetish or something ?
>They won't, though, because
starting WW3 seems like a reckless thing to do
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 No.476900

>>476899
>The Russia-Ukraine border represents a strategic weak-spot for Russia
Russia has nuclear weapons. Nobody is going to invade them.
>That was the deal with the Minsk 1&2 agreements
And the Russians never removed their troops, so any agreement must be able to be enforced.
>Yes Nuland and Blinken admitted to regime changing Ukraine
This didn't happen, no matter how many times you lie.
>The intention was to buy time for re-arming Ukraine
Some in Ukraine saw it that way. Good thing they did, as Russia was planning to invade.
>It's beyond obvious that they did, why try to keep denying it ?
It's not, and you have never shown this to be the case. All you have is one phone call that you didn't listen to about diplomats doing the usual diplomat things.
>until the 2014 Euromaidan got hijacked by a CIA
This didn't happen, and you have no evidence of CIA involvement.
>The US does have military personal in Ukraine,
Yes, guarding their embassy and tracking shipments. Notably not in combat. So no, I'm fully correct, and you're a fucking idiot that doesn't know the difference between presence in a country and being parties to a conflict.
>So basically you want Russia to attack the US and Europe ?
I mean, is that not what it means to be at war with a country? I would love to see the subhumans try, though.
>In your opinion what exactly should they attack to make the aid to Ukraine stop ?
Well, if I was Russian and thought I was at war with NATO, I would at least target these American troops in Ukraine.
>starting WW3 seems like a reckless thing to do
Okay, so then Russia is not at war with the US. Thanks for admitting, once again, that the US is not a party to the conflict.
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 No.476904

>>476900
>Russia has nuclear weapons. Nobody is going to invade them.
But if the US managed to fully pull Ukraine into NATO they could install nuclear weapons in Ukraine. This game remains the same even if you elevate it to the nuclear level. But i understand that you're not willing to recognize that Russia has security concerns, because recognizing those means foreclosing on the idea that the US could subjugate Russia. But Look at it this way, would the US allow Russia to install nukes in Cuba, Mexico or Canada? Ask your self what the US would do to preempt such an outcome.

Russia did not try to sink Minsk diplomacy. Because they could have officially recognized the People's Republic of Luhansk and Donetsk immediately after their formation. Then make a mutual defense pact with the newly formed republics. That could have fucked over Ukraine from the get go. Ukraine would have been out of options aside from officially declaring war against Russia by attacking one of their allies. The Russians did for 8 long years try to preserve the post-Soviet Ukrainian territory, with the only exception being Crimea. Taking that deal would have resulted in a much better outcome for Ukraine.

<Continued denial about the Ukro-regime change op by the Nuland and Blinken gang.

<Denial about US being the instigator of the Ukraine war.
<Denial about the concept of proxy wars.
It's pointless for you to remain stubborn on these points, it's not fooling anybody, at least you admit that neocon and their proxy forces abused the Minsk process as a delay tactic for military build up.

>Well, if I was Russian and thought I was at war with NATO, I would at least target these American troops in Ukraine.

The Russians did wipe out the so called reddit foreign legion, and they probably also did wipe out a high level meeting that included a bunch of US military personal. So they did that.

<not starting WW3 means

>Russia is not at war with the US
The US is waging a proxy war against Russia. That is not a war of total annihilation (which WW3 would be), but it is war none the less. Also the US is waging economic war, in the form of sanctions against Russia, those sanctions are considered weapons of war even if they aren't big metal objects with a military paint-job that makes lots of percussive noises when activated
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 No.476909

Ukraine sends women, the elderly to the front

<The Grayzone's Max Blumenthal and Aaron Mate cover the latest evidence of the collapse of Ukraine's military, and the quiet acceptance in Washington that the proxy war is lost.


https://farside.link/invidious/watch?v=yVOmOOPIE44
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 No.476910

>>476904
>>476904
>But if the US managed to fully pull Ukraine into NATO they could install nuclear weapons in Ukraine.
And it could do so in Finland, so should Russia invade Finland? Your whole argument fails from the start. This is a war of choice, and no amount of tl;dr cope is going to change that.
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 No.476915

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>Kek, we have a TUD situation here
Thanks Ukrainos for throwing yourself at Russia for NATO, the Clinton Wing of the DNC, and Raytheon
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 No.476916

>>476910
>And it could do so in Finland, so should Russia invade Finland?
If the US tried to do nuclear arms build-up in Finland, that would likely cause a war as well. Depending on the types of nukes, the Russians might get cornered and see no alternatives to begin missile strikes against US military buildup on their boarder. They would certainly try to interdict it. The Fins probably don't want to become a sacrificial pawn like Ukraine, so it probably won't ever come to that.

>This is a war of choice

What the US is regularly doing, specifically military build-up near the boarder of other countries, that is an act of war. Even by the official definition in international law.

How did you put it "your hole argument fails from the start" because you are trying to frame this hole debate in a way that it grants the US the right to aggression. Look at what the US does they plonk down loads of military bases all over the world right next to countries that never granted them the permission to do so. Suppose that another power like Russia did this to the US, begin installing a bunch of military bases right next the US, into strategically painful positions. What do you supposed the US reaction would be ?

a)Would they go: "Nah forget up it, that's fine, no danger here, we're totally OK with Russian military bases and nukes right in our faces"
b)Or perhaps their reaction would be a ferocious military response pulverizing the attempt with maximum prejudice.
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 No.476917

>>476880
>>476884
here's the MOD numbers, they're the same: >>476882
next cope please
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 No.476918

>>476917
show us the MoD numbers then
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 No.476919

>>476916
The US hasn't attacked Russia, ESL, nor is there any evidence, nor did Russia ever claim, that the US is planning to put nuclear weapons in Ukraine. This is cope because your little pet dictator chimped out and started a war he can't back out of. I, for one, simply welcome TOTAL ZIGGER DEATH. Furthermore, I consider that Russia must be destroyed.
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 No.476920

>>476918
here: >>476882
>inb4 "OH THE IMAGE IS FROM LEDDIT SO ITS FAKE!!"
no, don't even try that cope, i'll just preempt that by posting the ukrop MOD site: https://www.mil.gov.ua/en/news/2023/11/02/the-total-combat-losses-of-the-enemy-from-24-02-2022-to-02-11-2023/
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 No.476921

>>476919
>I, for one, simply welcome TOTAL ZIGGER DEATH. Furthermore, I consider that Russia must be destroyed.
nice impotent cuck rage, faggot
russia won and there's nothing you can do about it :^)
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 No.476923

>>476919
>The US hasn't attacked Russia,
The US is waging a proxy war against Russia.
>nor is there any evidence, nor did Russia ever claim, that the US is planning to put nuclear weapons in Ukraine.
Now that the Russian military is stomping through Ukraine that isn't an option anymore, but they would if they could.
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 No.476924

>>476920
it's the same numbers as here >>476882
and here >>476878 >>476872. what are you even arguing?
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 No.476925

>>476924
ukropanon tried to claim that the numbers weren't official, so i'm linking numbers straight from the ukrop MOD to see if he can cook up some cope about it
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 No.476927

>>476923
>The US is waging a proxy war against Russia.
And it wouldn't be doing so if Russia had stayed out of Ukraine.
>Now that the Russian military is stomping through Ukraine that isn't an option anymore, but they would if they could.
Again, there is no evidence. Russia moved nuclear weapons into Belarus, however, would NATO be justified in invading? Again, every zigger accusation is a confession.
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 No.476928

>>476927
>And it wouldn't be doing so if Russia had stayed out of Ukraine.
Well the US regime-changed Ukraine, in the end that's what "invited" the Russians to Ukraine.
You can't seriously make the argument that the US gets to overthrow governments and then preach to the Russians about staying out of other countries. That's too much hypocrisy.
>Russia moved nuclear weapons into Belarus,
Guess why they did that. There was an attempt at doing a color revolution to overthrow Lukashenko fairly recently. And when a large amount of NATO weapons started moving into the general direction of Belarus on account of the Ukraine-war, that probably raised fears about the Ukraine war serving as a means to spring a surprise invasion on Belarus.

>however, would NATO be justified in invading?

NATO is a tool to impose US foreign policy on Europe's foreign policy. The US's geopolitical games with Ukraine ended up weakening European security by making Europe sending half of it's military supplies to Ukraine. Germany had to accept getting one of their pipelines blown up by the US and Norway. Isn't that enough sacrifice ? Are you seriously asking the Euros to bleed in order to launch a pointless invasion against Belarus ?

You've got a strange view on things. Consider that expanding NATO after the dissolution of the Warsaw pact, was a very aggressive move. The Russians had agreed to remove all their troops from Eastern Europe, in exchange for the US to not expand NATO into that region. That promise was broken only after half a year. What possible justification could there be for the US to pile on more aggression by attempting to project military power against Belarus ?

If the Russians began installing nukes in Mexico for example, it would be understandable if the US was upset, and took military measures to frustrate that, but Belarus ain't the US's business.
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 No.476932

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Yhe purge continues…
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 No.476933

>>476932
>Stalin kills his entire office corp
<I sleep
>Zelensky fires four people
<Real shit!
Tankies should probably never bring up purges to anyone.
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 No.476934

>>476932
>Putin Murders his top commander.
>Look! Zelensky fired four people in the reserves, it's a purge!
LMAO vatniks.
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 No.476935

>>476933
>>476934
>four
In addition to the two from the security services, and the commander of the medical corps. That's 7 by my count.

Zaluzhny is gonna get purged also.
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 No.476936

How long until Zelensky is hanging from a tree? Place your bets lads.
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 No.476938

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>>476933
>comparing Stalin with Zelensky
Bruh

Stalin was a successful revolutionary. He was a successful statesman that could navigate political intrigue. He was a successful geo-political strategist that oversaw the victory over fascism and the ascendance of the Soviet union into a global super-power, all the while the life-expectancy of the Soviet population doubled.

Zelensky was a reasonably good comedy actor, then he became a political puppet for Ukrainian oligarchs, after that he became a political puppet for transnational imperial capital. Under his tenure Ukraine got wrecked, it lost most of it's industrial base, it's military has been decimated and Ukraine lost about half of it's population either because it fled the war or was killed by it.

Stalin's legacy is that of mostly victory, while Zelensky's legacy is that of mostly failure.

If you want to point the finger at political repression, Zelensky is using it to sell out Ukraine, Stalin was using it to prevent something like that. While Stalin certainly has to be criticized for using political repression, you can hardly fault him on his motives. Stalin falls under the category of using reprehensible means for a noble goal. Zelensky just uses reprehensible means towards reprehensible ends.

The early period in the Soviet union was very brutal, but after the war, times got better. If the current regime in Ukraine could somehow magically win this War, nothing would improve for the population. With Ukraine having been sold out to transnational capital, the hell of war would be replaced by the hell of hyper-neoliberalism.
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 No.476939

>>476936
>How long until Zelensky is hanging from a tree? Place your bets lads.
Unless they decide to make him the Fallguy, he'll probably get extracted before the righteous anger of betrayed Ukrainians can find him. So if you are looking for the vicarious relief of seeing a bad guy getting a dose of unconventional justice, don't hold your breath.
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 No.476940

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>>476939
>Me so loyal USA. Me lobe you long taim-ACK
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 No.476942

>>476940
I'm not sure i understand the reference, who's the guy in the picture ?

Are you saying that the US will stab Zelensky in the back before long ?
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 No.476945

>>476942
That's the notoriously corrupt president of South Vietnam whose entire career predicated on doing whatever the US told him to do.
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 No.476946

>>476945
also assasinated by the cia for his failure in the vietnam war
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 No.476949

>>476945
thanks for the info.
>>476946
>also assasinated by the cia for his failure in the vietnam war
So you expect something analogous ? As in the CIA whacking Zelensky ?

I feel rather indifferent to that, because he suspended elections, so if he gets whacked, regardless by whom, it'll be in part his own doing because he made it impossible to unelect him. I know that bourgeois democracy isn't really democratic, but it does provide for non-lethal methods of unelecting leaders, which is, all else being equal, a preferable type of political competition.
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 No.477006

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>You need to att-ACK!
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 No.477008

>>477006
Good grief.

Imagine how the other soldiers will take it.
<The pretty young woman that's nice to you gets murdered by a brutish officer.
<You chuck a grenade in the officers-tend and frag him.
<You still miss the nice girl, but you do feel a little bit better.

It would not surprise me if that unit ends up mutinying.
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 No.477011

>>476919
Why are you on here summarizing the mainstream take? Do you go around regurgitating every idea the ruling class puts out unquestionably?

Like seriously why can't you think for yourself?
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 No.477012

>>477008
what are you even talking about? lieutenant was pushing her pigs into the meat grinder and the major had a human reaction and killed the scum from this description.
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 No.477017

>>477012
>lieutenant was pushing her pigs into the meat grinder and the major had a human reaction and killed the scum from this description.
Now that you said it, i suppose that's a plausible interpretation as well.

There are 2 types of officers, the first one is the kind that leads from the spear-tip and the soldiers under his command follow his lead. And the second type is the one that leads from the rear.

The spear-tip officers are usually the relatively kind ones that try to prioritize keeping their men alive, but tend to advance slower. The rear-guard officers tend to be the ones driving their soldiers in front of them and motivate their soldiers to fight because going back means getting shot for treason.

Some military give their officers choice of leadership style, while others have a fixed doctrine. As far as i know the Ukrainian military has switched to the rear-guard officer doctrine at some point. The Soviets had the spear-tip officer doctrine.

The rear-guard officer doctrine tends to generate more callous assholes, that's why i jumped to the conclusion that the officer was the bad guy.
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 No.477019

>>477017
>The Soviets had the spear-tip officer doctrine.
This has definitely been passed on through modern Russian military culture. I'm not sure it's the case for the Ukrainian military though, which seems to be strongly influenced by American military conventions through the training that's been given by American officers since the Maidan coup.
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 No.477020

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you may not like it, but this is what winning looks like
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 No.477027

>>477019
>This has definitely been passed on through modern Russian military culture
Mercouris has said that the Russian military continues using the spear-tip officers doctrine, but he didn't seem 100% sure about it.
>I'm not sure it's the case for the Ukrainian military though, which seems to be strongly influenced by American military conventions through the training that's been given by American officers since the Maidan coup.
The Ukrainian military definitely switched to officers in the rear, but there's no reliable way to find out what caused that change. But you are not wrong many people attribute this change to American influence.
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 No.477096

https://farside.link/invidious/watch?v=XHmePjyN4VI
Mercuries looks at testimony from Ukrainian soldiers, it's quite interesting.

Also the political class in Germany now wants nukes, they want it to be Euro-nukes but the implication is that Germany would more or less control it.

Mercuris thinks that Russia will never allow for that. He's correct in the sense that the Russians still feel the aftershock of WW2 in their bones, and will have an apocalyptic reaction to German attempts at wielding nukes.

However Euro-nukes would be produced in France, which isn't powerful enough to dominate Europe, the way Germany could. So a political configuration where the control over Euro-nukes is dispersed over all of Europe, is perhaps possible. Of course this version requires that Germany largely removes itself from trying to assume nuclear leadership. It would enable Europe to disconnect from US security politics, and ultimately could no longer be compelled by the US to take a hostile stance against Russia. Of course that doesn't mean that Euro ruling circles find other non-US related reasons to be hostile to Russia.

What i'm getting at here:
There are 2 version of Euro-nukes.

The first one is where Germany takes the lead and the purpose of that is to maximally antagonize Russia to create more tension and opportunity for war in Europe in order to keep the US involved in Europe. (whether that would motivate the US to remain engaged in Europe is questionable, the US might pull out of Europe in the next 10 years regardless what happens because they grow more interested in messing with Asia).

The second version of Euro-nukes.
This is where Europe gains the autonomy to create it's own security infrastructure. In this one Germany has to take a back-seat role, because of it's already very dominant station in Europe and the history of WW2. Of course the required politics currently do not exist in Europe. The only political purpose that nukes have, is creating deterrence. Nukes are holey incompatible with the kind of colonial thinking that appears to have persisted in some European ruling circles. Nukes are not a joker-card you can play for leverage in international relations to force other countries to comply with your demands. Nukes stop other countries from invading, but they do not make other countries do stuff for you. Politics of nuclear coercion, guaranties an outcome of nuclear proliferation, which is why nuclear politics have to be very restrained.
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 No.477097

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yikes
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 No.477099

>>477097
so what happened?
are the internal power struggles in Ukraine getting serious?
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 No.477119

According to two Ukrainian Telegram channels (which Mercouris seems to think are controlled by General Zaluzhnyi), Zelensky just "requested" (rather than ordered) Zaluzhnyi's resignation and his reply was to refuse, claim that he'll remain in his post because he's been doing a good job, and to threaten Zelensky if he tries to sack him. This is pretty clear insubordination, and it seems there's only one way Zaluzhnyi will get away with it: is it finally time for a coup?
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 No.477121

>>477119
While this situation seems to be coming to a head indeed. I'm not seeing Zelensky seriously trying to oust this guy yet. If a head of state wants to get rid of a bigwig military general they have to officially appoint a new guy, and then purge all the loyalists of the old guy, or it won't happen.

The US seems to favor Zaluzhnyi and probably would support him. But i doubt they want another coup, they probably would prefer to rig an election instead.
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 No.477124

>>477121
I would say that Zelensky has no choice now if he wanted to maintain any sort of credibility as head of state… except I'm reminded of that time he went to the Donbass and told Nazis to disarm and they refused right in his face.
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 No.477125

>>477124
You are correct, but Zelensky never was a strong political leader to begin with. He got plucked out of a TV show for having a lot of popularity and a recognizable face. He didn't spend years building up a political base. So he probably can't strongarm Zaluzhnyi to force him out.

Zelensky might remain formally head of state but with little actual power.

Given that the US is likely going to wind down funding for Ukraine soon, i wonder to which extend Zelensky will be able to wrangle the ukro Nazis when he can't bribe them anymore.
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 No.477136

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