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Ukraine 3.0 Anonymous 2022-09-17 (Sat) 23:17:13 No.457563[View All]

Last one is full and the worst thread on leftychan must be contained.

In recent news: Ukies done a successful counteroffensive in Izium, Z gang now in shambles. Biden promises even more money for Ukraine. Putin meets Xi, Erdogan, Modi and others at the SCO summit.

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Anonymous 2023-03-24 (Fri) 20:02:59 No.467855

>>467852
>Unity in ideology but not unity in politics.
Unity in politics ? That's a fantasy. Has there ever been a society that had unity in politics ?

>I can see a chaotic shitfest that is half Syrian Civil War, half Stalin succession crisis, with there not really being a big conflict, but armed battles being fought in contained urban enviroments by various factions of the silaviki. Just as an example, Wagner dissolving parliament, military storming it, national guard splitting, some generals watching this from sidelines, local mayors and governors playing a betting game for the winner etc.

This sounds like projection to be honest.
I'm now asking my self whether you secretly think that western governments will crack.

Anonymous 2023-03-24 (Fri) 20:03:12 No.467856

>>467851
>Besides the chances of a civil war happing in Russia are basically nill.
I would agree if there wasn't a war that has no end in sight.

Nobody expects a social explosion. Ever.

Any bitter war brings an element of uncertainty.

Grillpilled Schizo 2023-03-24 (Fri) 20:04:27 No.467857

>>467850
And you think a few more celcius less, say 50% more heating and EU would have exploded? Cmon man. Also its funny how you ignore how Russia took far more irreprable damage economically, from fucking up its reputation for investors, to being isolated for most of its military tech imports.

>>467853
>Pearl clutching muh ethnic cleansing of Russian minority
And this justifies the ethnic cleansing of the local Ukranian minority?
>IT WOULD BE THE SECOND ISRAEL!!!
No you idiot, realistically it would either be a second Latvia or the region would just go back to being "the vatnik area" like Kaunas is in Lithuania.

>Justifying ethnic cleansing
A) I don't believe it is real
B) If it was real, I am a smart person, and thus a utilitarian. If it takes 10000 innocent deaths to prevent many times more that happened due to Putins little green men, so fucking be it, let the train run them over.

Anonymous 2023-03-24 (Fri) 20:05:59 No.467858

>>467854
Chaos is more likely to happen when factions feud over unclaimed assets, than if it's already divided up. But this is kinda irrelevant because Russia is not going to have a civil war any time soon.

Grillpilled Schizo 2023-03-24 (Fri) 20:06:55 No.467859

>>467855
I am secretly hoping that either climate change will force the West to prolonged war capitalism that can only ever become socialism, or that the military will have enough of politicians shit and enforce barack-capitalism, which again, can only lead to socialism.

Anonymous 2023-03-24 (Fri) 20:08:50 No.467860

>>467858
>Chaos is more likely to happen when factions feud over unclaimed assets, than if it's already divided up.
you're retarded
tho what do I expect from a coping zigger

when there's plenty of free land - any conflict is less likely because… there is plenty of free land for everyone lol

Anonymous 2023-03-24 (Fri) 20:11:00 No.467861

>>467858
>But this is kinda irrelevant because Russia is not going to have a civil war any time soon.
yeah yeah whatever

didn't I tell you not to talk to me?

Anonymous 2023-03-24 (Fri) 20:14:19 No.467862

>>467856
>I would agree if there wasn't a war that has no end in sight.
From my vantage point the War seems to have a unifying character for Russia.
And it's questionable how long the Ukrainian side can maintain the war effort.
NATO is running out of military equipment they can send, and new production is in most cases 1 or more years away.
If this war is supposed to continue for a long time, with what are the Ukrainians supposed to fight it ?
They're combat power has been significantly degraded, both in terms of extremely high losses for soldiers and equipment. Contrasting that with Russia being able to husband their troops keeping the losses of lives and machines very low. It seems that Russia has a 10 to 1 advantage in the attrition-warfare equation.

Anonymous 2023-03-24 (Fri) 20:16:03 No.467863

>>467862
>From my vantage point
I don't care
you're a brainwashed retard

NEXT.

Anonymous 2023-03-24 (Fri) 20:16:10 No.467864

>>467857
Yes Europe lucked out, if it had been a cold winter there would have been rolling power outages and people cutting down trees or breaking into heated buildings during the cold-stretches.

Grillpilled Schizo 2023-03-24 (Fri) 20:23:49 No.467865

>>467864
And you believe this because you studied European import statistics and industrial I/O tables, or because you saw an RT commercial where a kid had to eat their pet bunny for Christmas because there was no food in Europe?

Anonymous 2023-03-24 (Fri) 20:27:34 No.467866

>>467857
>A little bit of ethno-nationalist terror is acceptable.
Well apparently it wasn't.

By the way Zelensky outright stated that he wanted Ukraine to be like Israel

Anonymous 2023-03-24 (Fri) 20:29:57 No.467867

>>467860
>when there's plenty of free land
You think that the power-struggle in the post Soviet countries were over land ?

Anonymous 2023-03-24 (Fri) 20:36:06 No.467868

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>>467863
>you're a brainwashed
no u

Anonymous 2023-03-24 (Fri) 20:44:45 No.467869

>>467865
Kek

Anonymous 2023-03-24 (Fri) 20:49:27 No.467870

>>467865
The EU got lucky the winter was mild, and that they were able to fill up some of the reservoirs with Russian gas before the supplies stopped. But even with that industrial production had to be shut down. You can't tell me that shutting down energy intensive industrial production is a sign that the energy supply is working well.

Lets not forget the EU still imports Russian energy via middlemen, which is done for political face saving reasons. And what about the next winter ? there's no filling up reservoirs with Russian gas anymore.

Go ahead explain how Europe's energy situation is just hunky dory, and that the energy intensive industry is going to rev back up soon, and go full steam ahead.

Anonymous 2023-03-24 (Fri) 21:46:29 No.467871

>>467857
>the ethnic cleansing of the local Ukranian minority
Big if true. Probably another case of massive projection by the Kiev propaganda machine, however.

Grillpilled Schizo 2023-03-25 (Sat) 06:39:57 No.467872

>>467871
>Big if true
Big if you take one second to look at a publically available 2001 consensus: http://2001.ukrcensus.gov.ua/eng/results/general/nationality/
<Krimea was the only region with a Russian majortity, bit still had a Ukranian minority of 24%
<Meanwhile neither Donbass or Luhansk had a larger Russian minority than 40%, with Ukranians being aroun ~58% majority
So, basically, what Russia is doing (or rather already did in DPR/LNR) is the same kind of textbook genocide that Azerbaijan is trying in Astrakh - intervenining on behalf of your regional minority to cleanse the "opressive" regional majority.

Now of course the situation is a bit funny now because the genocide is already done and dusted in LNR/DPR, and unlike some, I am a bleeding heart who feels bad about Soviet/Polish genocide of Prussia, so I feel no ill towards local Russians whose only crime is standing idle while their neighbours got expelled, so I would still favour a return to pre-war borders.

However all of this bascially invalidates ALL of Russian propaganda and casus beli.

Anonymous 2023-03-25 (Sat) 06:43:34 No.467873

>>467867
no, I think you're a literal moron who can't understand even dumbed down examples

>there were plenty of free assets

Anonymous 2023-03-25 (Sat) 10:41:14 No.467876

>>467872
You have merely shown self-reported demographic data from 22 years ago, you have implied but have not demonstrated how these sorts of number changes demonstrate any sort of willful genocide. Try harder please.

Grillpilled Schizo 2023-03-25 (Sat) 10:58:33 No.467877

>>467876
>Merely self reported!
And what would you want? This probably is the best data we have available and unless you find some sort of 2013 Russian-made census of every single Ukranian PROOOOOVING that Russians were a majority in D and L, the argument about "muh Russian clay" collapses.

Meanwhile the Ukranian refugee crisis in 2014-2015, which was eagerly exploited by European capitalists to hire cheap Ukranian labour, occured due to the ethnic dispersal of Ukranians from this regions. And unless you prove that LNR/DPR still are half-Ukranian, then this is textbook genocide and everything Azov did is as justifiable as HAMAS missle strikes on Israeli settlers.

Not my problem you only listen to media with pulled-from-the-ass statistics about how Ukraine is 60% Russian and will meet RAF with open arms.

Anonymous 2023-03-25 (Sat) 14:06:09 No.467879

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>>467877
Kek did you just try to construct an apologetic to support Azov, the guys that even the liberals could recognize as "Ukraine's Nazi problem" before feb 22 and ignore that Zelensky officially stated that they want to model them selves after Israel.

Grillpilled Schizo 2023-03-25 (Sat) 14:20:59 No.467880

>>467879
No, because I don't need to defend Azov - they are already the lesser evil no matter the perspective. Even in the hardline Russian propaganda narative, if you'd use a single braincel, you'd realize that Azov pogroming 10000+ Russians just because they are ebul neonazies out for blood would be a pereferable outcome for not only Russia, but the people of LNR/DPR as well, when compared to what this war wrough upon them.

But anyway, nice deflection towards
>But you da real nazi
When encountering an accusation of ethnic cleansing.

Anonymous 2023-03-25 (Sat) 15:31:19 No.467881

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>>467880
>Listen Sweety the Nazis are the lesser evil
>The only way to avoid war is appeasement for murderous ethno-nationalist projects.
>The people of LNR/DPR should just accept being treated as the unter-mensch

liberalism was a mistake

Grillpilled Schizo 2023-03-25 (Sat) 15:54:03 No.467882

>>467881
>Being against US invasion of Iraq even though it would condemn a lot of Kurds to be ethnically cleansed, because the alternative is a murderous war and regional chaos? Yeah that's a good calculus
>Letting Taliban reactionaries take over Kabul and kill a lot of modernization proponents, women and "infidels"? Yeah, that's better than a forever war!
>Letting neonazies kill off ethnic sepratist leadership and *gasp* remove Russian signposts so that the conflict wouldn't escalate into a murderous civil war, and then an even bloodier real war? WTF FUCKING LIB APPOLOGISTS NEONAZI SIMP

Anonymous 2023-03-25 (Sat) 16:45:28 No.467883

>>467881
Niqqa Azov is by itself is not a Nazi state. Zelenesky is a fucking Jew for crying out loud. You're all salty because Azov repelled some earlier attacks on their because Vatnik military is so corrupt.
You're crying about Neo Nazis killing Orc invaders while kidnapping Ukrainian children and rounding them up in concentration camps like hogs to a slaughter.

Anonymous 2023-03-25 (Sat) 17:00:28 No.467884

>>467881
Who killed more people in Donbass, Azov or Russian liberators with their humanitarian bombs?

Anonymous 2023-03-25 (Sat) 17:05:45 No.467885

>>467882
This makes no sense because
The US backstabbed the Kurds.
The US initially funded the militarization of Taliban to turn them into a proxy-force that fights against the Soviets in the 1979-89 Soviet–Afghan War.
The US started the civil war in Ukraine by funding and arming the fascistic Bandera-wing in Ukraine.

Anonymous 2023-03-25 (Sat) 17:35:51 No.467887

>>467883
>Azov is by itself is not a Nazi state.
Technically correct, Azov was a fascist military group not a state.
>Zelenesky is a fucking Jew for crying out loud.
Kek liberalism intensifies.
Zelensky just counts as a collaborator.
But to be clear being a Jew in general doesn't magically prevent people from doing fascism, some Jews sided with Hitler in Nazi-Germany and even helped facilitate the holocaust.

>Orc
Racism doesn't help your case.

>kidnapping Ukrainian children
This was just a propaganda pretext for an ICC arrest warrant against the Russian head of state to torpedo diplomatic proceedings between Russia and China. You have to assume when they do these PR stunts, that it's false unless you got proof.
In reality the Russians evacuated civilians from battle-zones, and Ukrainian parents who got separated from their children had few problems getting reunited with their children. Think about it, parents would try to use civil courts first, before going to the International Crime Court. Also the ICC doesn't have any jurisdiction in Russia, so it's kinda useless for people looking to sue the Russian state.

You really just swallowed that narrative, without giving it second thought.

>rounding them up in concentration camps like hogs to a slaughter.
<Omg the other side are baby eating monsters
That's perhaps the oldest propaganda trope in existence.

Anonymous 2023-03-25 (Sat) 17:40:31 No.467888

>>467887
I'm not a fan of Ukraine, but this was reddit tier

Anonymous 2023-03-25 (Sat) 18:00:16 No.467890

>>467884
>Who killed more people in Donbass
I would say that after Feb 20222 the Ukrainian government has killed the most people, because their military strategy was criminal. They even wouldn't reconsider their meat-grinder tactics when the US military advised against it.
Second place probably goes to who ever was responsible for wrecking the Istanbul peace talks. The most public figure associated with that fiasco was UK PM Boris Johnson but he's not the only one.

>Azov
During the Donbass civil war 2014-2022, the majority of the estimated 14k civilian losses were pro-Russian Ukrainians, so it's safe to say that Azov and company did the most killing.

Anonymous 2023-03-25 (Sat) 18:04:53 No.467891

>>467888
>I'm not a fan of Ukraine, but this was reddit tier
Not sure what that means exactly.
Maybe you could write a better response to post 467883

Anonymous 2023-03-25 (Sat) 19:20:31 No.467894

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>>467891
>>467883
I don't reply to glowuyghurs

trrtlipe DavisWheef 2023-03-25 (Sat) 19:57:07 No.467895

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Anonymous 2023-03-25 (Sat) 20:47:12 No.467896

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>>467894
that chastised soldier still btfos russkie bydlo pidors any time of the day tho

hell, russkie masculine closeted apes get slaughtered like cattle by literal troons as I write this lol

Don't you just LOVE modern industrial warfare?

Anonymous 2023-03-26 (Sun) 05:50:33 No.467902

>>467896
Based kek.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/governing-behavior/202208/don-t-blame-the-testes-all-aggression
>Estrogens often affect aggression more directly than testosterone does, and the source of steroid hormones regulating aggression can be the adrenal glands and/or the brain, not just the gonads (the testes and ovaries).

Anonymous 2023-03-26 (Sun) 05:52:41 No.467903

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>>467896
>>467902
Forgot pic

Anonymous 2023-03-26 (Sun) 05:57:52 No.467904

>>467896

Anonymous 2023-03-26 (Sun) 05:59:08 No.467905

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>>467896

Anonymous 2023-03-26 (Sun) 07:16:11 No.467906

>>467905
impotent seething won't return the dead and win the war, my russkie pidor friend

not my fault that troons are better at warfare than some ass-raping vatniks

Anonymous 2023-03-26 (Sun) 11:45:00 No.467908

>>467906
up side down world.

In reality Zelensky is complaining in the Japanese media (for some odd reason) that he hasn't got enough manpower and machines for a new offensive.

Also the Ukrainians are super socially conservative, and they probably only had a single troon RIP in their forces, doing mostly media stuff.

Russia mobilized a huge amount of troops and parked it in the Donbass, Crimea and Belarus most likely as a counter against potential direct NATO forces involvement. They rotate only a small contingent of those mobilized forces into combat at any given time to keep the Ukrainians engaged in the attrition war.

Anonymous 2023-03-26 (Sun) 14:10:05 No.467913

So i'm taking the Xi negotiations failed with Putin, since he hasn't even bothered to reply to Zelensky. Long shot but sadly didn't work.
I do think it's a bad look to China's peace maker status that Xi doesn't respond to Zelensky, but it was probably a condition that Russia set.

Anonymous 2023-03-26 (Sun) 15:16:30 No.467921

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>>467906
>impotent seething won't return the dead
<but my twitter NAFO memes will

Ukraine fires 6-7k artillery shells a day to Russia's 20k. The only way they (Ukraine gov, US/NATO and lib media) fool you libs into thinking Russia has more dead is by telling you that Russians are rushing machine gun nests with shovels.

Meanwhile in the real world, Ukraine is using fucking slingshots to lob bombs at Russians.
>vid related

>The side with the barely trained infantry "mechanised" with Toyota Hiluxes and Honda Civics definitely has a chance!
The Avengers are coming in two weeks, I heard. Wakanda is sending space ships. Russia is finished!

Anonymous 2023-03-26 (Sun) 16:16:51 No.467926

>>467913
>So i'm taking that the Xi negotiations failed with Putin
I wouldn't say that.

They made a defense-pact-light that committed each other to defend the others "core territorial interests". So presumably Russia would help defend Taiwan, and China would help defend the port of Sevastopol in Crimea. That means that a Taiwan war and a direct NATO intervention in Ukraine is canceled.
So WW3 has gotten a lot less likely now, though it probably is not entirely off the menu yet, because the neocons are probably looking for other avenues to start shit.

>I do think it's a bad look to China's peace maker status that Xi doesn't respond to Zelensky
China did manage to make Iran and the Saudis bury the hatchet, that's pretty impressive peace making, so their peace-maker status is pretty solid.
I'm having the impression China wants to get more countries involved in a potential UKR peace process like Brazil and also India, to make it a PAX-BRICS.

Anonymous 2023-03-26 (Sun) 20:29:13 No.467942

>>467906
Westerners honestly think they're winning while their countries become South Africa. Lol

Grillpilled Schizo 2023-03-27 (Mon) 08:42:41 No.467962

>>467942
Bafling vatnik post. Is this a red /pol/tard chimping out about muh brown people? Because if you wanted to say
>U will become le poor!!!
There are better comparisons than South Africa.

Anonymous 2023-03-27 (Mon) 13:39:50 No.467971

>>467962
>he doesn't get it
I guess you're not as smart as you think you are.

Grillpilled Schizo 2023-03-27 (Mon) 16:27:01 No.467982

>>467971
Alright, let's go down the list of what you could possibly mean…
>Europe will become le brown
>Europe will become le poor
As outlined above
>Europe will become le warm
And? How does this have anything to do with the war?
>Europe will become le apartheid-esque puppets of US imperialism
Well damn, its like Russia flushed the opprotunity to pull Europe east with its pipeline down the drain with this retarded war!
>Europe will become a rapidly developing region
Why thank you

Anonymous 2023-03-27 (Mon) 18:52:21 No.467992

>>467982
>Russia made the neocons blow up the pipeline.
the absolute state of the NAFO gang

Anonymous 2023-03-28 (Tue) 07:30:04 No.468058

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Hey anons! Think again before you pick a side regarding the Russia-Ukraine War! Your support for Ukraine translates to:
>supporting NATO's use of Ukraine as a launchpad so that they can do incursions into Russian territory
>stage a 30 September 1965 style coup
>install a pro-Western dictator on the likes of Suharto, PInochet, and Yeltsin
>brainwash the entire Russian populace into subservience to the West
>infect the Russian populace with cheap pop culture while denigrating authentic Russian culture and local working-class culture
>massacre ¼ths of the Russian population, preferably communists but also sympathisers and other leftists
>let Western companies exploit Russia
>make Russia into a launchpad to start Jakartas in Beijing, Pyongyang, Tehran, and Damascus
>from there achieve world domination
>in the end the world would be a worse place, with American Dream style freedoms and fun culture exported from the lower echelons of American society
In short, your support for Ukraine greatly accelerates the expansion of American imperialism and hegemony, first into opposing countries, and from there to all remaining corners of the world. Be warned and read Andre Vltchek!!!

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