>>478256>It may have ended widespread illiteracy but it didnt solve any other problems.
So what? Maybe those problems need other fixes, unrelated to schools.
>You seem to be shilling for excessive higher academia. This is exactly what is wrong with the west.
The good part of academia was that it could overcome the power of the church, and it enabled scientists to pursue research that contradicted holey scripture, we got a lot of technological progress out of that.
The bad part of academia is that they're still not able to overcome the power of politics and big business. That's where many of the things you don't like about academia originate.
Obviously academia also produces a strata of the intelligentsia, which sees it self as having different interests than the workers. Ultimately they want a big high-tech playground with lots of toys for scientists to probe the fabric of reality. And per communist ideology we'd want to proletarianize that as well. But the problem is that research doesn't appear to be quantifiable in the way other parts of the economy are. The neo-liberals tried to commodify research and it turned into a massive shitfest, of scientists gaming the system to meat their research-paper submission quota. And loads of research journals had their scientific standards compromised by bribery enabling product-advertisement to pose as science.
The soviet intelligentsia ended up betraying the soviet proletariat, so that has to be taking into consideration as well.
Maybe the solution is going into the opposite direction. Create the playground for scientists, and lean into separating it from politics as much as possible. We should probably remove some barriers to entry so that expert credentials aren't the only way to get access. So basically this becomes a place where people can fuck around with science toys as long as they write down the results.
>Also, child labor precedes capitalism.
I know, but lots of horrible shit predates capitalism. Just because people did something in the past, doesn't mean it's good praxis. >Not all kids were slaving away in factories.
And categorically ruling out all child-labor makes sure that's never happening again.
If you try to make exceptions on the basis that some types of child-labor have some kind of beneficial effect for the life-path of some people. You'll get overrun by every industry trying to bullshit you and all of society into letting them exploit children. You'd need insane levels of deterrence like forcing employers to wear a explosive neck-collar that gets detonated by child-protective services in case of abuse. I don't want a dystopian society where we blow up people's heads to make them adhere to principles. It's not worth it, we can raise productivity by investing into more advanced productive forces. And we'll soon be able to make sophisticated training simulations for children that only contain the good parts that produce some kind of beneficial learning effect.
>In fact, factory child-workers were only a recent addition amd limited only to orphans and unfortunate immigrants.
Any socialist will read this as attacking social mobility of people while they are still children.
>Our curret education system is Prussian styled which is based on military tactics.
Prussian ? I don't know what that means.
Are you trying to talk about how classes should be organized ?
As in full frontal lecture style with uptight children sitting in austere lecturer-hall-rows vs group-learning circles sitting on beanbags in cosy carpeted rooms. I don't think that matters, that's just decoration. The only thing that matters is the quality of the explanations.
>Most people treat schooling as the new church. Most people blame criminality on "poor" education.
Oh, they do ? Well that's nonsense.>They try to push for more unnecessary extracirricular acrivities to "enlighten" kids.
Fair enough we'll make the ideological indoctrination an optional course, you won't have to read the Marxist theory tomes if you don't want to.
>Solitary free time is criminalised.
Ok got it, we'll create the opportunity for solitary activities in school.
>Adults don't like seeing kids free and about. They call the cops on kids walking the dog around the block without parental supervision.
Yeah that's probably an evolutionary survival trait, you know because children wandering off on their own used to mean that they'd get eaten by a lion. You do have an argument there, most places are now relatively safe and children should get a longer leash and more autonomy.
>It can also be due to people like you morally
Capitalism definitely miss-allocates labor-power tho, that's not moralizing that's factual reality.
>PARENTS BAD>free time for the proles bad>grandparents good>it takes a village
I can see the argument that you want to involve more people in rearing children, because that gives children more opportunities to find an adult that offers beneficial interactions. But you're not convincing me that more free time would be bad for society. That's just bullshit.
>Yea. We should stop having ethnic kids making all of westerners' products. Have the westerners, both adults and children, make their own products.
If you want to bring back competitive production to the west you have to force capitalists to invest into building new means of production instead of chasing after cheap labor abroad. Or, you know, make the capitalists hand over the means of production and then the proles can invest into building better means of production by them selves. Bringing back child labor or attacking living standards of people isn't a viable option. Doing austerity and worsening living conditions is just a proof of incompetence.
>that wretched K-12 style
>Humans created capitalism.
Nope the majority of humans wasn't asked, there never was a referendum where all humans decided to install capitalism as the operating system of the economy.>You think capitalism was imposed on us?
People never got asked whether they wanted slavery, feudal-serfdom or wage-work. The capitalists won a power-struggle against the feudal aristocracy and that's how we got capitalism. The feudal aristocracy rose from the ashes of disintegrating slave-empires and so on. None of this shit can be blamed on humans, because it was ruling classes that imposed it on humans.>Humans create their own oppression.
Nope that's sociopath-talk.>They cope with this by blaming it on evil spirits
Ruling classes are not imaginary, they conspire to rule in actuality.
>Yes it is. We should also promote technological literacy.>Im not against personal property
good to know, you're not one of the proponents of tech-feudalism
>Im saying that people treat other living beings as if though they are property.
That can be cured.
>People treat romantic partners as personal property.>In romantic love, especially heterosexual romance, people only view others as trinkets to be thrown away at the slightest tarnish.>People constanlty compare you to their orevious partners. Youre not respected as an individual, but as an incarnate romcom movie character.
You want to bring back arranged marriage ?
No that was worse.
>Parenthood is seen as vanity projects.>People dont need to have kids, yet they choose to do so because they want a mini-me to legally bully/patronize.
Maybe that is true for some people, but where are you going with this ?
It sounds like a pretext for interference with the right to procreation.
>Helicopter parenting is the default in North America since the 1990s.
I haven't investigated this phenomenon, so i can only guess what this is about.
But maybe it's parents trying to protect their children from the ruthless capitalist world.
>It resulted in arrested development.>Nowadays, 18-24 are seen as secondary tweens.
I don't know what that means, it sounds very ideological, like you are trying to diagnose people instead of diagnosing the system. So i'm not really willing to give it much credence. You have to analyze the system, or i will ignore it.
If you want to know why so many people don't delay or abstain from starting families, that's simple wages are too low and cost of living are too high.