>>477874Did I say "nation", retard? No? Get the fuck out of here with that Germanic retardation.
>>477882Wars are won in battles, not on paper or in ideas. Whatever the political or supply issues, either a decisive battle makes clear the result, or the enemy loses its ability to negotiate. Without that, there isn't a "winner" or a point, whatever score is kept by the historians. The political machinations which inspire war suggest the real purposes of the war are not the stated ones, like the destruction of a nation.
The "industrial war" is a plan war - that's why it is fought in such an ass-backwards way, and without any admission of what war once meant. They are eugenics wars, planned to cull the population, and in that sense, aristocracy wins either way. This was the entire calculation of the Nazis, who believed they would either conquer Europe without having to fight a real battle, or they'd bring more death for their true world-historical mission and piss off to America after they stole enough gold. If the war was about what was right and making sure this didn't happen again, Germany would have been forcibly dismantled and de-Germanized in total. They would be thrown on reservations - that was their boast, that they would "civilize" Europe, so we'd show them how it's done. Illusions of European sovereignty would not even be entertained - it would be carved up into US and Soviet spheres. The better world is the one where the US and USSR simply agree to share the world and no stupid "Cold War" happens to the benefit of nobody. Globalization will merge them anyway, and the only arguments against that came from pro-Nazi retards who should have been ignored. That ignores who instigated the world wars, and who were the sole beneficiaries at the expense of everyone else. Nothing about the world wars made America richer - all of those loan repayments went straight to the imperial coffers. It is often forgotten that every hitherto existing human society is hilariously unproductive and refuses to do basic things, because no human society was ever about doing nice things. The US, even with a laggard and incompetent ruling elite, were obliged to do basic things for the first time. or else they wouldn't keep what the oligarchy won. If this forced starvation and humiliation plan for the world were just not done, the last half of the 20th century would have been very different. Really, Americans should have pissed off, told the ideologues in the USSR that they'd doing it the stupid way, and sit behind two oceans, not having to do much at all. The imperial war aimed entirely for more eugenics - that's the only thing they believe in - and now we see none of it worked and all they did was create rape and death, just like those who instigated the first two world wars and hold all of the war guilt. Why, though, would those who had a hammerlock on global institutions ever surrender?
Realistically, if war were ever in the interest of anyone but the aristocracy, the soldiers who see it would look at each other, conclude that this is complete bullshit, and go to literally everyone else and tell them that there's a world without this aristocratic rot. That would be the end of humanity in any recognizable form. It also will never happen, even though the interests of everyone is to do exactly that and not listen to those who insinuate vanity, greed, and the stupidity aristocracy always stokes. In the past, ignorance might have been an excuse - a bad excuse, but until the middle of the 20th century, large parts of the world were "barbarous" and had no reason to buy into the values of industrial civilization. Since that was clearly at an end, none of the wars after 1945 were at all defensible, and everyone still sane knew it. Eugenics never stopped. That has been our great travesty.