[ home / overboard / sfw / alt / cytube] [ leftypol / b / WRK / hobby / tech / edu / ga / ent / music / 777 / posad / i / a / lgbt / R9K / dead ] [ meta ][Options]

/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

"The anons of the past have only shitposted on the Internets about the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it."
Name
Email
Subject
Comment
Flag
File
Select/drop/paste files here
Embed
Password (For file deletion.)
Matrix   IRC Chat   Mumble
ReturnCatalogBottom
[Embed]
[–]

▶ No.476326[View All]

The nuclear threat is back. But we don't see any nuclear panic like in the 1980s. Why is that? Why does nobody care?

I am not some prepper retard but even I am getting nervous.

Just look at this shit
A time of unprecedented danger: It is 90 seconds to midnight
https://thebulletin.org/doomsday-clock/current-time/
>This year, the Science and Security Board of the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists moves the hands of the Doomsday Clock forward, largely (though not exclusively) because of the mounting dangers of the war in Ukraine. The Clock now stands at 90 seconds to midnight—the closest to global catastrophe it has ever been.
>As UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres warned in August, the world has entered “a time of nuclear danger not seen since the height of the Cold War.”

and also this
US Nuclear Test Raises Concerns of New Arms Race With Russia
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-10-19/us-nuclear-test-on-day-of-kremlin-s-treaty-abdication-fuels-doubt

https://archive.ph/EoqWY

>The US conducted a high-explosive experiment at a nuclear test site in Nevada just hours after Russia revoked a ban on atomic-weapons testing, prompting concerns of a new arms race between the world’s top nuclear powers.

So, are you going to PROTECT AND SURVIVE, anon? Or are you just going to give up everything and die?
204 posts and 35 image replies omitted. Click to expand.
>>

▶ No.485769

>>485760
>Chinese Communist Party General Secretary Xi Jinping's reported order to the Chinese military to be prepared to invade Taiwan by 2027
I think this translates to the neocons planning to make Taiwan declare independence, to provoke the Chinese in 2027.
It's probably not going to work because the Taiwanese don't want to become the next sacrificial goat like Ukraine. Also the Chinese can make a naval blockade to force the Taiwanese compradore elite to remove US weapons systems from the Island. It will probably work because the Chinese will be able to guarantee the rest of Taiwan that it retains its current arrangement where it's got it's own political system and the ability to conduct trade as they see fit. Which means that they neither disturb Taiwanese citizens nor commerce.
>the U.S. Air Force's bomber force
That's referencing the stuff that's parked in Guam, right ? That likely won't come into play.
There might be some boat-colisions, you know "bumper-tubs".

Messing with Taiwan likely means the Chinese will focus intense diplomacy efforts with economic development deals on Latin America, and that'll likely retire the Monroe doctrine. The next unintended neocon policy consequence might be Brazil leveling up and becoming a big player.
>>

▶ No.485770>>485772

Oh là là
Ukraine says Russia launched an intercontinental missile in an attack for the first time in the war
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-icbm-attackddnipro-38b0faf6eed2cef98bdbc9be18f58244

>KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — Ukraine claimed Thursday that Russia launched an intercontinental ballistic missile overnight at one of its cities. If confirmed, it would be the first time Moscow has used such a weapon in the war.

>Ukraine did not provide any evidence that an ICBM was used in the attack on the central city of Dnipro, apparently armed with conventional warheads.

>The range of an ICBM — which can exceed 5,500 kilometers (3,400 miles) — is beyond what is needed to attack Ukraine. But such missiles are designed to carry atomic warheads, and the use of one, even with a conventional payload, would serve as a chilling reminder of Russia’s nuclear capability. It also appears to send a message to Ukraine’s Western allies that Moscow has the ability to target them.
>>

▶ No.485772

File (hide): 1732205872327.png ( 12.16 KB , 1300x864 , doubtx.png )

>>485770
>Ukraine claimed a big whoop occurred
evidence required
>>

▶ No.485781>>485801

Some people might be wondering what the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists is up to, now that the world is on the precipice of annihilation. Where's their big statement of concern, warning us of an imminent catastrophe if someone doesn't initiate diplomacy? Not to worry, they're busy publishing warmongering trash like this, cheerleading on the US and Ukraine crossing Russia's red line:

https://thebulletin.org/2024/11/biden-allowing-ukraine-to-strike-into-russia-is-much-ado-for-little-consequence/

This is how the world ends: with thunderous applause.
>>

▶ No.485782>>485784

Putin warns West as Russia hits Ukraine with 'new missile'
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy4n9vgwnnyo
>Russian President Vladimir Putin has said that an attack by his forces on the eastern Ukrainian city of Dnipro on Thursday morning was carried out using "a new conventional intermediate-range missile".

>He said that the missile, codenamed Oreshnik, was a response to the use by Ukraine of US and UK long-range weaponry to hit targets inside Russia.

>Putin added that Russia could attack military facilities of those countries which allowed their weapons to be used for this purpose.
>>

▶ No.485784

>>485782
>intermediate-range missile
Ok now it makes sense, the other news said intercontinental.

>the missile, codenamed Oreshnik
speculated 2500km 1500miles range, one tonne payload, maneuverable and hypersonic.

that's a big stick.
>>

▶ No.485786

https://www.aviationpros.com/aircraft/defense/news/21217513/us-nuclear-weapons-are-aging-quickly-with-few-spare-parts-how-long-can-they-last

>MINOT AIR FORCE BASE, N.D. — When hundreds of land-based nuclear armed ballistic missiles were first lowered into underground cement silos spread across the vast cornfields here in 1970, the weapons were only intended to last a decade before a newer system came in.

>Fifty years later, these missiles — called the Minuteman III — are still on alert, manned by members of the U.S. Air Force in teams of two who spend 24 hours straight below ground in front of analog terminals from the 1980s, decoding messages and running tests on the missiles’ systems to check if they could still launch if needed.

>But it’s not the age of weapons or the decades-old technology that troubles their operators. It’s that the original manufacturers who supplied the gears, tubes and other materials to fix those systems are long gone.

>Several years ago, the motor on one of the industrial-sized caged elevators that slowly descends 100 feet below ground to the launch control center broke, an airman with the base’s 791st Maintenance Squadron told McClatchy. A fix was not available for months.

>Instead, maintainers resorted to rigging a pulley to lower supplies down for the crews, the airman said, who spoke on the condition they not be named.

>“We’re severely constrained with spares,” the airman said. “The technology does its job. The challenge is sustaining it.”

>To make repairs, airmen are often forced to take parts from another machine. Two of the airmen at Minot told McClatchy the facility’s missile guidance system often needs parts or attention because of constant wear and tear.

>“You can only do that so many times until the system fails,” said Lt. Col. Steve Bonin, commander of the 91st Operations Support Squadron at Minot.
>>

▶ No.485801>>485802

>>485781
>Some people might be wondering what the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists is up to
Huh ? that's still a thing ?
Do they still have the clock ?
how many minutes or seconds till nuclear doom ?

>Where's their big statement of concern, warning us of an imminent catastrophe if someone doesn't initiate diplomacy? Not to worry, they're busy publishing warmongering trash
Maybe their website got vandalized ?
Or they got taken over by shills and it's now defunct.

There's always VIPS
<Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity
They tend to have decent takes on war and peace type of stuff.
>>

▶ No.485802

>>485801
>they got taken over by shills
That's been apparent to me since at least covid.
>>

▶ No.486152>>486154

There's a lot of other issues that one can easily predict how an oligarch will behave through simple class analysis. But I just find nuclear annihilation so perplexing. Do they really think this is all make believe? Do they really think they're gonna survive nuclear winter where "the living will envy the dead"?
>>

▶ No.486154>>486155

>>486152
>But I just find nuclear annihilation so perplexing. Do they really think this is all make believe? Do they really think they're gonna survive
During the cold war, on the extreme end of thinking, there were some rich people who thought that the solution to all this "nuclear trouble" was to build bunkers for them as well as their servants and then they would set off nuclear war on purpose. They and their descendants would remain in the bunkers for a few hundred years until the conditions on the surface had regenerated. After that they would come out and the earth would be theirs.

Even in that bonkers scenario where they mass-murder nearly all of humanity, in their minds this wasn't something they were doing, they were just regular people trying to deal with a situation that was imposed on them from the outside.

By the way the Soviets had build huge bunker complexes underneath factories, so the workers could survive a nuclear war and it would have ended in planet Soviet.
>>

▶ No.486155>>486157

>>486154
>By the way the Soviets had build huge bunker complexes underneath factories, so the workers could survive a nuclear war and it would have ended in planet Soviet.
It's difficult to imagine how. Nuclear winter does not discriminate. No crops and no ecology = no humans
>>

▶ No.486157>>486315

>>486155
That was meant tongue in cheek. Obviously extinction is the most likely outcome.

I did look into nuclear-survival strategies from the cold-war, while nobody actually had a viable plan, the Soviets definitely were somewhat more advanced in their attempts. They were looking into electro-chemical means for feeding micro organisms as the basis for a food chain. Eating nuclear generated electricity with extra steps.
>>

▶ No.486315>>486319

>>486157
>The Soviets were looking into electro-chemical means for feeding micro organisms as the basis for a food chain.
Never heard about this. Source?
>>

▶ No.486319

>>486315
It was long ago, if i remember i'll make a thread about it.
>>

▶ No.486780>>486782

[Embed]
Are you prepping, my fellow preppers?
Nuclear bunker sales increase, despite expert warnings they aren’t going to provide protection
https://apnews.com/article/nuclear-bunkers-war-atomic-bombs-0356fa5b34067c138c64b9143f73c308
>Global security leaders are warning nuclear threats are growing as weapons spending surged to $91.4 billion last year. At the same time, private bunker sales are on the rise globally, from small metal boxes to crawl inside of to extravagant underground mansions.

>Critics warn these bunkers create a false perception that a nuclear war is survivable. They argue that people planning to live through an atomic blast aren’t focusing on the real and current dangers posed by nuclear threats, and the critical need to stop the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction.

>Meanwhile, government disaster experts say bunkers aren’t necessary. A Federal Emergency Management Agency 100-page guide on responding to a nuclear detonation focuses on having the public get inside and stay inside, ideally in a basement and away from outside walls for at least a day. Those existing spaces can provide protection from radioactive fallout, says FEMA.

It's the fucking Cold War shitshow all over again
>preppers start nuclear hysteria
>anti-nuke activists say that preparing for the war is le bad because it implies the nuclear war is survivable
>the government says that buying or building expensive bunkers is not necessary because you can survive the nuclear blast just hiding under the table
>>

▶ No.486782>>486925

File (hide): 1736294523516.png ( 43.35 KB , 459x457 , miner-mole.png )

>>486780
Impending nuke warnings are down to 5 minutes or so. Rich people won't have time to get to their bunkers. If somebody survives in a luxury bunker it will be the maintenance and cleaning crew. Sweet irony.

>Critics warn these bunkers create a false perception that a nuclear war is survivable. They argue that people planning to live through an atomic blast aren’t focusing on the real and current dangers posed by nuclear threats, and the critical need to stop the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction.
That doesn't work, wrong psychology. They should sell bunker-sealing-kits with a bunker-map, instead. You know something to block-off bunker-doors and seal-up the air-exchange-vents from the outside. The left-behind F-U kit. Psychology wise that might be more convincing, than explaining the logistics errors of trying to treat nuclear war like a contingency problem. People didn't investigate and understand the material consequences of nuclear war and based on that attempted to create a nuke-proof habitat. I think people treat this like a game of musical chairs where they pay to reserve a chair.

>preppers start nuclear hysteria
>anti-nuke activists say that preparing for the war is le bad because it implies the nuclear war is survivable
>the government says that buying or building expensive bunkers is not necessary because you can survive the nuclear blast just hiding under the table
First as a tragedy then as a farce.

There is a case to build houses and buildings underground tho, because temperatures below ground are stable and energy use for heating or air-conditioning would go down to a small fraction. Most people probably would only run a water draining pump and ventilation . Since building-roofs would be at ground level they could be little parks or gardens. Windows could be simulated with stereo-cameras and 3d-effect screens. It would also somewhat harden civilization against war. If we hide industrial society a little the reactionary anti-prosperity strain that took over a lot of environmentalism would fade away too.
>>

▶ No.486925>>486933

>>486782
>That doesn't work, wrong psychology. They should sell bunker-sealing-kits with a bunker-map, instead. You know something to block-off bunker-doors and seal-up the air-exchange-vents from the outside.

But how will that help?
>>

▶ No.486933

>>486925
>But how will that help?
If a nuclear war breaks out, it does nothing, just like the bunkers.

The bunkers are imaginary protection from nuclear war.
The bunker-sealing-kits are imaginary bunker-spoilers.

If you wanted to weather a nuclear war for real you need a fully fledged underground habitat, one that is self sufficient in everything, a fully fledged biome that yields food, geothermal energy, resource gathering , artificial atmosphere generators, … It would need to support a population of about 100000 people. More like a giant space station. You have to plan for unforeseen complications. A nuclear war could ruin the surface in ways that we can't predict. That means you need to include the capacity to rebuild civilization underground. The means to expand the underground habitat until a level of economic power and technological sophistication is achieved that enables terra-forming the ruined surface so that it once again supports human live. It means committing to a scifi scenario where the next 10000 years, humanity might have to larp as mole-people. We could technically do this, but lets face it, we won't.

Most people think that a bunker only needs to be a underground hotel room that has enough provisions. Explaining why that's wrong is complicated. Some rich people might see a bunker as nothing more than the ability to live out the rest of their lives, once nuclear war has extinct humanity, so they get to have the last party.

So with all that in mind, it's easier to tell people that those left behind will ruin their bunker and therefor the only option to deal with a nuclear war, is not having the nuclear war in the first place and idk throwing the WW3 lobby into a vat of boiling acid or something.
>>

▶ No.487611>>487638

[Embed]
Welcome to Idiocracy
Elon Musk orders mass firings of hundreds of nuclear weapons security employees
https://www.npr.org/2025/02/14/nx-s1-5298190/nuclear-agency-trump-firings-nnsa
>Scenes of confusion and chaos unfolded over the last two days at the civilian agency that oversees the nation's nuclear weapons stockpile, as the Trump administration's mass firings were carried out before being "paused" on Friday.

Trump administration wants to un-fire some nuclear safety workers but can’t figure out how to reach them
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/trump-administration-wants-un-fire-nuclear-safety-workers-cant-figure-rcna192345
>The individuals, who work in an agency that oversees the nation's nuclear stockpile, had been fired on Thursday and lost access to their federal government email accounts.
>>

▶ No.487638>>487743

>>487611
I think this might be related to plans for reducing nuclear weapons. That wouldn't be a bad thing.
>>

▶ No.487743

File (hide): 1740305542377.png ( 423.04 KB , 1002x692 , mr_kemp.png )

>>487638
Let's hope so
>>

▶ No.488460>>488463

Fuckin snownigs
Sweden nuclear bunkers: As World War III fears grow, this European country has prepared 64,000 nuclear bunkers for 7 million people
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/us/as-world-war-iii-fears-grow-this-european-country-has-prepared-64000-nuclear-bunkers-for-7-million-people-here-are-more-details/articleshow/119878997.cms

>Sweden is moving rapidly to ready its people for war as tensions continue to escalate amid Russia's ongoing conflict with Ukraine, reported Daily Mail. The nation has committed £7.7 million (100 million krona) to upgrade and renovate its vast network of civil defense bunkers, demonstrating its preparedness for a war, according to the report.

>Sweden already has one of the most extensive shelter systems globally, with 64,000 locations throughout the country, reported Daily Mail. The bunkers have space for up to seven million individuals, which could fit over two-thirds of the population of Sweden

>Since becoming a member of NATO in March 2024, Sweden's Civil Contingencies Agency (MSB) has accelerated inspections and modernization processes for these bunkers, as per the report. The two to three-year project involves upgrading critical filtration systems to protect against chemical and radiological weapons
>>

▶ No.488463

>>488460
>Fuckin snownigs
yeah well …

Bunkers are not objectionable, maybe not the best investment, but hey technically it still some kind of living space that people can use for something. Young people can play loud music in a bunker without disturbing anybody for example. They can be converted into dormitories or shelters for homeless people. Scientists that want to do sensitive experiments that need shielded rooms tend to like bunkers as well.

So while this is probably irrational, it's not that bad.

I wish we'd be adopting more advance filtration tech as a normal part of building design.
>>

▶ No.489768>>489769>>489771>>489780>>489807

[Embed]
Woah, woah, woah, this is some Reagan-style bullshit here
Trump selects concept for $175 billion ‘Golden Dome’ missile defense system
https://apnews.com/article/golden-dome-missile-defense-trump-space-e74d637feac06edcfde79214d8acf179

>WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump has announced the concept he wants for his future Golden Dome missile defense program — a multilayered, $175 billion system that for the first time will put U.S. weapons in space.

>Speaking Tuesday from the Oval Office, Trump said he expects the system will be “fully operational before the end of my term,” which ends in 2029, and have the capability of intercepting missiles “even if they are launched from space.”

Russia, North Korea Slam Trump's Golden Dome: 'Space Nuclear War'
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-attacks-trump-golden-dome-project-2077338

>Maria Zakharova, spokeswoman for the Russian Foreign Ministry, told Washington to abandon the deployment of weapons in space and said the Golden Dome would undermine strategic stability.

>North Korea's foreign ministry said the Golden Dome creates "an outer space nuclear war scenario supporting the U.S. strategy for uni-polar domination," according to the state news agency KCNA, citing a memorandum from its American policy studies arm.

I wonder what LaRouchites think about all of this, lol (Consider they wanted Reagan to make "space laser beams" against the USSR)
>>

▶ No.489769

>>489768
it's over..
>>

▶ No.489771>>489780>>489819

File (hide): 1748372028858.png ( 444.32 KB , 2048x2048 , Space_Debris_Low_Earth_Orb….png )

>>489768
Hello Kessler Syndrome.
>>

▶ No.489780>>489819

>>489768
80% chance it never gets build and it's just a money-sink.

>>489771
Yeah if they actually try to put weapons in space the other powers have no choice other than to interdict it. And that might indeed cause a debris cascade. yay spacewar there is no Fermi paradox the aliens are just avoiding us
>>

▶ No.489807>>489811>>489813

>>489768
Will China let them build it?
>>

▶ No.489811>>489813>>489819

>>489807
No, and neither will Russia. It will be shot down and the era of satellite communication and perhaps the space exploration itself will come to an end.
>>

▶ No.489813>>489814>>489820

>>489807
The Chinese have big plans for space industry, you know stuff like orbital solar collectors and asteroid mining. So no, they won't tolerate that.

Poster >>489811 is essentially correct. The US's territorial understanding of weapons-platforms in space as a way of moving a weapon to a forward base that counts as US soil in space, that is not yet fired, is not going to be shared by Russia, China and many others. They will see it in a different way. If the US puts a weapon on a rocket and it lifts off, that will count as having fired the weapon and trigger retaliation or countermeasures.

If the US persists with this undertaking it is somewhat likely that the result of attempting to militarize space will result in a Kessler debris cascade. It will block space access until a big power creates a space janitor agency to clean up earth orbit.

There will of course be people that will seek to exploit this. They will try to find a way to create little launch-windows to slip a rocket through the "debris shredder belt" and sell exclusive access to that. They would of course than have an economic interest that it doesn't get cleaned up.

It could be that heavily armed spaceships launched by mass-drivers can punch through, and this only ends the age of relatively fragile rockets, but not space exploration all together.

It could be yet another scheme that tries to hold down China's rise (into space). Would the Chinese build 500 nuclear power-plants to power a giant laser broom that sweeps the sky ? they probably would
>>

▶ No.489814

>>489813
typo
>heavily armed spaceships
heavily armored spaceships
>>

▶ No.489819>>489821>>489823

>>489771
>>489780
>>489811
I've been thinking of expansion foam as a potential to be launched into space and chemically inflated to catch low orbit debris. Instead of capturing a mass through reaction it would kind of absorb the impact and turn it into angular momentum and work as a sponge.
>>

▶ No.489820

>>489813
I ultimately think that forcing China to act is the key here to world progress. They have exhausted the usefulness of Communism in One Country. They have to do something about the United States now.

Obviously movements in the US failed to gain traction to bypass this and "have our own revolution".
>>

▶ No.489821>>489822

>>489819
It's not going to work. Space debris collisions aren't like the forces in a typical car collisions. Objects in orbit are traveling at enormous velocities, that's how they stay in orbit in the first place instead of falling back to Earth. Space debris collision is more like being shot by a bullet or colliding with a rocket.
>>

▶ No.489822

>>489821
Well all of that momentum was developed by expending land based energy, there's no reason to think that technology couldn't decelerate those pieces, albeit at a great cost, again using those same energy sources. The technology however could be hundreds of years away and we might be locked out of space until we clean it up (if we can).
>>

▶ No.489823>>489824

>>489819
At orbital speeds, I do not think that the foam would flex and transfer momentum. I have seen slowmo footage of a sponge getting shot at 2000m/s at a rebar-reinforced concrete plate, and it looked like a cannonball smashing through a thin sheet of ply-wood. While this is the inverted scenario, it does highlight that material properties can be very different if there is a lot of inertia involved. I think you don't get any protection from this and you'll just get foam with small holes. The foam will behave like a brittle substance.

Proven low weight shielding methodes are, 1. Whipple shields, stacked sheets of armor that are spaced out from each other, designed to progressively fracture incoming projectiles into many more peaces as they puncture each armor sheet dispersing their energy over a greater area. These sometimes use expanding foam between armor sheets, as mechanism for deployment.

And second, spin-armor, where little disks are spun up to high rpm of over 100k rotations per minute. Those disks store a lot of kinetic momentum, if hit by high speed projectile they "ping off" (as they transfer angular momentum) and redirect the projectile in the process. This is basically the beginning of an energy shield.

I don't know how practicle it would be for rockets tho, that said Whipple shields are used on the ISS, iirc.
>>

▶ No.489824>>489837

>>489823
Inertial reactive armor is hardly proven at this point, the first research paper I can even find on the subject is from 2023.
>>

▶ No.489837>>489840

>>489824
I came across spin armor or inertial reactive armor as you call it, probably a decade ago. I'm not sure but it might have been in stuff about old Soviet military prototypes. Maybe from the 80s.

I don't think this is anything new.
>>

▶ No.489840>>489845

>>489837
Well if it's that old and still not adopted in anything then it probably amounted to a dead end. The best-case scenario I can think of is like modern flywheels: discs in vacuum-sealed containers held in place by magnetic bearings to reduce friction to zero. But you're still probably going to need a constant power source to maintain the magnetic bearings, especially if they're out in space dealing with fluctuations in magnetic fields.
>>

▶ No.489845

>>489840
It's not a dead end, you get a very light armor that can shrug off very powerful impacts, but the trade off is that it requires power. So it's the beginning of energy shielding. It's worth it if you have a lot of power-generation.
>>

▶ No.490029

File (hide): 1749894264967.gif ( 132.59 KB , 500x333 , iran-us-israel-flags-22033….gif )

Nukes for me, but not for thee
Israeli airstrikes hit multiple Iran nuclear sites.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israeli-airstrikes-iran-nuclear-sites-what-we-know/
>The Israeli military targeted Iranian nuclear facilities, research scientists and senior military commanders in dozens of preemptive airstrikes early Friday morning in what it dubbed "Operation Rising Lion."

>The strikes — which the Israel Defense Forces said included dropping "over 330 different munitions" on more than 100 targets in Iran — prompted Iran to launch about 100 missiles at Israel in a retaliatory attack later Friday. The IDF said its Iron Dome missile defense system intercepted most of the missiles, and U.S. officials confirmed that the United States helped Israel intercept Iranian missiles.

>The attacks came one day after the International Atomic Energy Agency's Board of Governors censured Iran for the first time in 20 years for not working with its inspectors. Iran immediately announced it would establish a third enrichment site in the country and swap out some centrifuges for more advanced ones.
>>

▶ No.490061

>490029
>Nukes for me, but not for thee
I'm not entirely convinced that the nuke-mongering is anything more than a pretext for regime change operations in Iran. After-all the Iranians didn't build a nuke even-though they could have. So more like nukes for me and regime change shenanigans for thee

Iran didn't want nukes because of
-Russian opposition
-cost
-fears of a regional arms race
-sentiment against weapons of mass destruction

After Israels recent attack the latter three arguments against nukes have now evaporated because getting your people blown up is worse. If Russia were to withdraw it's opposition, well … the outcome of Isreal's attack would be ironic, since it was officially supposed to prevent an Iranian nuke, while ending up as the catalyst for it.
>>

▶ No.490077>>490078

So what are the odds Iran changes its mind and builds a nuke.

North Korea build nukes and they're not getting fucked with.
>>

▶ No.490078>>490079

>>490077
They would have to do it clandestinely somehow to avoid giving pretext to their enemies before it's actually built. At the moment Iran has a serious problem with infosec, so I'm not sure if that's possible.
>>

▶ No.490079

>>490078
>They would have to do it clandestinely somehow to avoid giving pretext to their enemies before it's actually built.
I agree that they have to hide it until it's complete but Isreal didn't need a pretext to attack Iran.

>At the moment Iran has a serious problem with infosec, so I'm not sure if that's possible.
Yeah but for the nuke program they could use couriers with paper, i mean how much communication does that actually require ?
>>

▶ No.490117

Trump fires commissioner of preeminent nuclear safety institution

Critics warn that the United States may soon be taking on more nuclear safety risks after Donald Trump fired one of five members of an independent commission that monitors the country's nuclear reactors.

In a statement Monday, Christopher Hanson confirmed that Trump fired him from the US Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) on Friday. He alleged that the firing was "without cause" and "contrary to existing law and longstanding precedent regarding removal of independent agency appointees." According to NPR, he received an email that simply said his firing was "effective immediately."

Hanson had enjoyed bipartisan support for his work for years. Trump initially appointed Hanson to the NRC in 2020, then he was renominated by Joe Biden in 2024. In his statement, he said it was an "honor" to serve, citing accomplishments over his long stint as chair, which ended in January 2025.

It's unclear why Trump fired Hanson. Among the committee chair's accomplishments, Hanson highlighted revisions to safety regulations, as well as efforts to ramp up recruitment by re-establishing the Minority Serving Institution Grant Program. Both may have put him in opposition to Trump, who wants to loosen regulations to boost the nuclear industry and eliminate diversity initiatives across government.

In a statement to NPR, White House Deputy Press Secretary Anna Kelly suggested it was a political firing.

"All organizations are more effective when leaders are rowing in the same direction," Kelly said. "President Trump reserves the right to remove employees within his own Executive Branch who exert his executive authority."

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/06/trump-fires-commissioner-of-preeminent-nuclear-safety-institution/
>>

▶ No.490119>>490137

Is Iran even trying to get nukes?
>>

▶ No.490137>>490141

>>490119
So far, no not really, they wanted nuclear power plants and the hole nuclear weapons stick was just meant as a bargaining chip for negotiations.

Although the message the US has send the world is this:
<Get nukes, or else we'll bomb your people and try to overthrow your government.

Whether Iran creates sufficient deterrent with conventional means or whether they go nuclear, i don't know, but I would be very surprised if this episode doesn't inspire a bunch of other countries to conclude that they need the nuclear stick because the neocon no-rules-based-order is scary as fuck. Unintended nuclear blow-back…
>>

▶ No.490141

>>490137
right

Unique IPs: 21
Replies: …Files: Page: …
[Return][Catalog][Top][Home][Post a Reply]
Delete Post [ ]
[ home / overboard / sfw / alt / cytube] [ leftypol / b / WRK / hobby / tech / edu / ga / ent / music / 777 / posad / i / a / lgbt / R9K / dead ] [ meta ]
ReturnCatalogTopBottomRefresh: …Home