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 No.484673

I was recently researching the public housing projects of fascist Italy. There's been entire books written about how early fascist regimes mirrored New Deal policy that is now considered "far-left" in America. Italian fascists dramatically increased public housing that existed prior.

In a way though, this potentially makes contemporary America maybe even more right-wing than fascist Italy in practice for the average person. US is certainly not more than right-wing than Nazi Germany was, but it may be moreso than fascist Italy.

Here in the USA, we've more or less abandoned the idea of ensuring that people aren't underhoused. This can only be achieved from public housing. Housing is a basic human need on par with food, as participation in public life and even reproduction are very difficult without it, especially with accompanying cultural values which portrays life as a game to collect points to afford housing.
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 No.484674

>>484673
>This can only be achieved from public housing.
We actually could achieve it now by disincentivizing real estate speculation/vacancy with Georgism and/or a high tax on vacant land holdings, but we won't even do that because the landlords have one of the biggest lobbies in America. We have enough empty residential units and buildings to do that, but we won't, nevermind actually using the state to engage in a broad project of affordable housing construction which would outcompete private landlords. How can we do that and use the state to send affordable bombs to foreign countries?
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 No.484676

>>484674
I doubt a series of incentives or disincentives can bring down the cost of housing from where it is (approaching 1 million USD) to where it should be (near $0).

Even in public housing people find ways to restrict access and do underhanded market activity. It's enough work to root that stuff out. When you have a full fledged market with incentives and disincentives, I think assuming the incentives or disincentives will do much is naive.
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 No.484677

>>484676
>I doubt a series of incentives or disincentives can bring down the cost of housing from where it is (approaching 1 million USD) to where it should be (near $0).
Taxing unimproved land value encourages sales.
Basically, if you own a whole lot of valuable property, the idea, if you're a landlord and treating it as an investment, is to be able to hold those properties for an extended period of time until the market price grows up. This artificially increases scarcity and, in doing so, accelerates to rise in market price. They also do this with business locations, too, so it not only increases homelessness, it increases unemployment as well by making business rent much more expensive.
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 No.484678

Also you can't hide, like… the fact that you own a plot of land. It's way easier to cover up income than it is to cover up land ownership. If you own a whole lot of land and holding it vacant costs way more than you'd get by waiting a decade and selling it, then you'll have a market suddenly flooded with cheap houses.
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 No.484683

>>484677
You know that George's land tax was partially meant to fund George's vision of public housing, right?
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 No.484691

>Is contemporary American politics more right-wing than Italian fascism?
Yes, it's literal Nazi tier.
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 No.484692

>>484683
Henry George supported a Land-Tax Funded Citizens' Dividend and the nationalization of natural monopolies, but I don't remember anything about public housing. I wouldn't be totally shocked if he proposed it, but I don't recall that. I'm not opposed to public housing, but the economic effect of Georgist tax policy would already drive prices down greatly, and the citizens' dividend would give the average person more financial security. We literally have enough buildings, they could solve the housing crisis with tax reform without building a single additional structure, but they won't do either.
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 No.484703

>>484677
>the idea, if you're a landlord and treating it as an investment, is to be able to hold those properties for an extended period of time until the market price grows up.
It's not the price "going up", it's the currency being debased by your communist central bank. People hold hard assets to protect themselves from inflation not to make a "profit".

>This artificially increases scarcity

Correct. Although the real solution is to have hard money which cannot be inflated by political entities and then people don't need to hog hard assets like land and houses.

>>484678
>Also you can't hide, like… the fact that you own a plot of land.
That's not necessarily true there is a whole book about this called Who Owns England. The British aristocracy have been using land to evade taxes and inheritance bullshit for centuries.

>If you own a whole lot of land and holding it vacant costs way more than you'd get by waiting a decade and selling it, then you'll have a market suddenly flooded with cheap houses.

Land is not the same thing as houses. We don't have a land shortage we have a housing shortage. Government regulations, unstable currency and high cost of labor all make it very difficult to turn a profit from building houses so nobody bothers building them. And don't forget your open borders, refugees welcome, multikulti virtue signaling bullshit is also artificially increasing demand.

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