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 No.482838

ORANGE MAN ASSASSINATION ATTEMPT

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2024/07/13/donald-trump-speech-shooting-latest-news/

First of all this is incredibly based and God bl3ss them shoot R.I.P To a real one but this is fucking bad news politically. He's gonna win for sure now and this will cause a reaction upswell we haven't seen in a hundred years not only in the US b UT globally. This is terrible news and propaganda of the deed is fail3d as a political strategy.
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 No.482839

>>482838
>that image
lol biden is so fucked
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 No.482840

>>482838
No clue what's going on. So i'm asking, this wasn't a PR-stunt ? just checking, to make sure i'm not getting my chain yanked by the spectacle.

Generally speaking, not much to celebrate here, the degeneration of the political arena from talking to brute-force usually means a lot worse times are ahead.

>this will cause a reaction upswell

I'm feeling skeptical about this. Could you explain the logic ?
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 No.482843

>>482840
>this wasn't a PR-stunt ?
It is impossible to fire a rifle at someone's head with a good chance of ONLY grazing them and not blowing half their head off. If they wanted to do a mock assassination attempt they would have shot much further away from his body. The shooter has been killed now too so I'm not sure what would have been in it for him.
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 No.482844

>>482843
I'm clueless about mock assassinations, so how would i know. I'll grant you the technical assessment.

However there are ruthless people in this world that would have no problem promising great rewards for this deed only to murder the shooter as a loose end. Because one thing is clear we're not getting any information from a dead guy.
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 No.482845

He was already going to win before this happened. The media is no longer ignoring Biden's dementia and their only other option would be Kamala Harris, who is a big joke that nobody takes seriously.
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 No.482846

>>482840
>Generally speaking, not much to celebrate here, the degeneration of the political arena from talking to brute-force usually means a lot worse times are ahead.
On the other hand it represents an opportunity. Now is the most important time to present our alternative to people as their trust in the prevailing system is collapsing.
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 No.482848

>>482844
You can't safely shoot a moving ear-sized target at a range of 200 yards using an Ar-15 with any degree of accuracy. People who are saying this is staged are just coping that Trump survived/looked badass.
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 No.482849

>>482846
Sounds good.

>>482848
I guess that if somebody wanted to stage this they wouldn't really use live rounds. They'd make the rifle shoot a blank and put something on his ear that creates the wound, that activates synchronously with the rifle.

I'm not claiming this was staged. I'm just really cynical and am always considering the possibility of a spectacle.
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 No.482850

>>482849
One of the supporters behind him got their head blown off. They were definitely live rounds fired.
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 No.482851

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WARNING NSFL

pictures of the shooter's body
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 No.482852

>>482851
I want to know more about the shoooooter damnit!
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 No.482853

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 No.482854

as if the election wasn't insufferable enough. I hate the spectacle
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 No.482855

What a horrible thing. This is only going to help trunp. This is why it's bad news. Because we need to make sure that biden wins. We can't let orange man use this as a chance to gain popularity and sympathy. Orange man bad. I care so much about the election. This meme ia dehumanizing
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 No.482857

No comment on this event. But Judge Merchan has the power to put him in jail, and it'd be best if he does.
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 No.482860

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Another photo of the suspect
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 No.482861

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Another photo of Trump
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 No.482862

>>482838
Stickied the thread for now. Also moved the heading in OP to the top so it's easier to see in the catalog
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 No.482863

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another Crooks photo
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 No.482864

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>>482838
another crooks photo
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 No.482865

>>482838
>He's gonna win for sure now

It was already sure. Like, months ago.
People keep saying this every time a new thing happens, but the previous two things were "Biden is being sued for genocide complicity" and "Biden can't even hide his degenerative mental illness anymore," and those were on top of "Biden's economic recovery has been mediocre but the campaign keeps aggressively insisting things are great." Biden's campaign has been doomed since basically January. His approval ratings have averaged below 40% since October. The guy who tried to shoot Trump isn't losing Biden the election, Biden was already a poisonous dead weight which is taking votes away from better candidates in the Greens, independents, PSL, etc. People are so fixated on the latest thing they forget there are like 5 separate major things already Biden has done or is which mean he can't win.
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 No.482866

>>482848
I don't think it's staged, but I think it's not impossible that it was some sort of inside job.
https://twitter.com/SharpFootball/status/1812265909727396107
This interview makes it sound like the police & secret service were really slow to respond to a witness trying to warn them about what was occurring. That they then immediately kill him also seems odd given his position. If he was using an AR15 (seems like a weird choice!), then I guess I'd understand they might be worried about trying to apprehend him alive, but combined with the (supposedly) delayed response, it seems odd. It's possible that it was a factional arrangement, and parties within the secret service intended either to facilitate the assassination of Trump or dupe this guy into a false flag, knowing themselves that they would kill him afterwards.

Of course, if we take everything at face, a false flag is unlikely. There could be something missing, though, I don't know.
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 No.482867

>>482866
Do you retards really have to do this dumb shit with everything?
You can definitely tell by the sound of thr gun blast that it wasn't an ar15 he was using not to mention that a round would have done more to trumps ear than just graze it. Not to mention the sheer impossibility of literally blowing some ones ear off but not their head.

Get over yourselves you narcissistic fucking idealistic loosers.
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 No.482868

>>482867
>Do you retards really have to do this dumb shit with everything?
… What?
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 No.482873

>>482855
>What a horrible thing. This is only going to help trunp. This is why it's bad news. Because we need to make sure that biden wins.
If the electoral logic is that getting your ear shot off improves your chances at winning, the implication is B. also getting his ear shot off. I know that you didn't mean it that way btw.

It's an idea for a science fiction story where a strange alien customs requires their leader to cut off one his ears.
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 No.482874

>>482839
gonna be on every tshirt
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 No.482880

>>482865

> It was already sure. Like, months ago.


It's not sure Biden will even still run. He should know now at this point if he continues it is voluntary Dem suicide. Harris could actually beat Trump and not because she's a good candidate but because Trump is so much worse.
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 No.482881

>>482865
> economy
the last four years have been much closer to the 80s economic boom than 70s stagflation. That's one thing media continuously gets wrong. Our, at times, almost 5-6% GDP has been very good relative to other years. It's just a very regressive boom meaning the economic losers might well be worse off than before the last four years. Although if Republicans weren't blocking everything the Dems put forward this would be a less regressive boom.
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 No.482882

>>482881
>economic boom
>economic losers might well be worse off
so not a boom.
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 No.482883

>>482865
economy has for decades been defined by abstract metrics about how much people are working, spending, etc

if it were about how well economic losers were doing, every past president would have been a 1 term president since FDR
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 No.482884

>>482882
5-6% GDP is not anything close to a recession, it's a boom. We've continually hit those numbers with historically low unemployment
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 No.482885

>>482882
The major thing from the 70s that repeated was the American left's complete inability to form a consensus or even a hypothesis about inflation that isn't just right wing drivel. At least MMT tries, but only a few hundred people follow that.
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 No.482887

People on all sides are eager to make this much more than it is. This has happened to a greater extent to multiple world leaders and numerous American politicians including Reagan and George Wallace. People don't even remember who Wallace is and hardly anyone knows what Regan actually did in office.
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 No.482888

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 No.482889

>>482888
"the great ear piercing of 2024"

this indeed was basically nothing
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 No.482891

>>482884
Economic statistics aren't a reliable measure anymore, everybody has figured out how to game numbers for GDP and employment statistics.

The best thing you can do is look at the the bottom 40% to see whether their economic precarity has decreased. Also look at the bottom 90% to see whether their purchasing power has increased. If you can answered with yes on both questions it's likely that the economy improved. The top 10% are a bad indicator because they usually do pretty well in most conditions, unless there's really dramatic stuff going on.

The other indicator to look for is the raw production data. If the economy does well there usually is an increase in production too.

What we've seen however is this
more precarity
less purchasing power
less raw productive output

So it appears that no material economic boom has happened.
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 No.482893

>>482885
>The major thing from the 70s that repeated was the American left's complete inability to form a consensus or even a hypothesis about inflation that isn't just right wing drivel. At least MMT tries, but only a few hundred people follow that.
Modern monetary theory is a great political tool for justifying the public sector hiring all the people capitalism is excluding from employment. And for that it should be supported. Getting employment-exclusion down is important. However as a comprehensive economic theory MMT seems flawed.
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 No.482894

>>482889
>"the great ear piercing of 2024"

kek
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 No.482895

>>482893
I'm talking about it's attitude toward inflation not your opinion on the whole kit and kaboodle. It has a unified left-wing theory about inflation.

If you pay attention to 70s lefty poliitics and today it's almost 100% monetarism or some other right-wing nonsense to explain inflation
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 No.482896

>>482893
The Republicans who raided Wikipedia insisting "economy" as we define it today is mostly GDP, were right.

This is the mainstream consensus of what economy means. If we want some alternative set of metrics, that are more human oriented, that isn't even in the basket of policies of any politician.

The people saying this is a "bad economy" are mostly the same people screaming that we were heading into negative GDP right before we went into 5-6%

In other words, their theories and models were bogus.

To the extent economy just means "people can afford stuff", that has been an issue since the early 20th century, and isn't really that relevant to the minor differences in presidential candidates.
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 No.482898

>>482880
Dems are aiming to lose.
Biden even more so. He's just a foil for Trump.
If Biden drops out, he won't drop out until it's totally sure the Dems have used up any remaining trust; they'll all have the stink of Gaza and the cognitive cover-up on them, because it will have dragged on as long as possible. I don't think he'll drop out, though. They're pretty much just there to, unironically, take votes from the Greens & Independents (not RFK) who actually differ on fundamental foreign policy.
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 No.482900

>>482895
>I'm talking about it's attitude toward inflation not your opinion on the whole kit and kaboodle. It has a unified left-wing theory about inflation.
I see, we've been talking past each other.

My theory on inflation is that it's caused by bad or insufficient investments. In capitalism that means that if capital doesn't invest enough (investor strike), or it makes too many failed investment-bets, you get inflation. Inflation can also be caused by excessive spending on war.

Counter measures to inflation are, public spending on infrastructure, social welfare, and the dynamic public sector (publicly run productive economy).

Tell me what you think about this, where do you agree/disagree.
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 No.482901

>>482898
agreed

Also, the obnoxious transhumanist democrats on other sites are having fantasies of Trump-led brownshirts taking their trans penises and jerking them off till they cum.

Think they missed the memo that Trump doesn't really give a shit about LGBTQ and he's also not particularly statist or authoritarian outside his opinion on leaving office.
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 No.482902

>>482896
>This is the mainstream consensus of what economy means.
I don't give a shit about "mainstream consensus", i want meaningful metrics. GDP just isn't anymore. The new metrics that some people use is PPP Purchasing Power Parity. That one is better, but it still has shortcomings.

>To the extent economy just means "people can afford stuff", that has been an issue since the early 20th century, and isn't really that relevant

The purpose of having an economy that produces things, is so the people can have things. It's not just relevant it's the primary purpose.
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 No.482903

>>482898
You've given a hypothesis but not a whole story so I can't run with it even if I wanted to for any reason.

I can see failed investment causing inflation if it reduces the capacity of scarce goods and services. I don't know what investments or services you are referring to for eg 2024. Failed investments can also reduce inflation if it reduces consumer confidence in said business, causing increased savings.
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 No.482904

>>482902
What specific Biden policy made it harder for people to afford things?

My opinion is that the affordability of life necessities like housing are a natural consequence of putting them on a free market.
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 No.482905

>>482904
sorry the *innafordability of basic life necessities like housing. In that, by putting them on a free market, they become less affordable over time, and partly due to the fact people will pay anything for them, because they are life necessities.
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 No.482909

>>482904
Shit is more expensive because in 2020 we printed 10 trillion fucking dollars of liquidity into existence that anon is a retard who doesn't know Jack shit about economics.
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 No.482911

>>482909
more money in circulation doesn't necessarily equal higher prices

this more money = inflation theory is called monetarism, it's a theory that doesn't make it much farther than Austrian schools and YouTube videos

Any inflationary pressure from that stimulus would have been from external shocks like supply chain disruptions or forced business closures

the main price hikes occurred after the Saudis raised the price of crude oil by an exponential amount during the start of Biden's term
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 No.482912

>>482911
And further, the Saudi oil cartels can and do charge whatever they like, they were not forced to raise oil prices, but they did they same in the 1970s and everyone blamed 'muh money spending' over and over until a far-right-winger won in a landslide
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 No.482913

>>482909
That's you, anon. Quit letting unempirical, unscientific goldbugs dominate the monetary policy discourse.
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 No.482916

>>482901
Last sentence I disagree with. Trump is a figurehead, and his "non-statist" policies largely amounted to the same old pseudo-liberal tendency to remove infrastructure & the functions of state from democratic accountability as much as possible; the power becomes even more greatly concentrated, but you just have even less say in it as a citizen. His cohort are crude authoritarians eager for scapegoats, the project which both the dems & republicans pursued during his time in office was likewise full of overreach, people just forgot about it in a week because the media only focused on "Trump say meen thing :(((." SESTA/FOSTA, the joke "loophole" used to bypass American freedom of religion laws, the positions of the Trump-appointed Supreme Court judges, the shutdown of net neutrality, Trump's advocacy for renewal of expired Patriot Act powers (which, tbf, is an area where Biden actually ended up having perhaps more success, with just as little attention paid by the media), etc. He's arguably mild compared to his backers, I don't think he personally cares about the gays, but I also do think that Trump term 1 struggled to find loyalists to pursue the agenda to its fullest, and I don't think that he'll have the same problem now. FWIW dems have been rolling out the red carpet just as much as the Supreme Court.
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 No.482922

>>482911
>more money in circulation doesn't necessarily equal higher prices
Well it depends on which money circuit.

If more money enters the speculator circuit that causes higher prices. A decade ago speculators got into buying and hording coffee beans and the price for coffee almost doubled.

If you put more money into the consumer circuit, commodity prices go down because if consumers have more purchasing power, they buy more, more production increases economies of scale and reduce costs and lower prices.

It's of course not always that simple, right now the speculators are driving up the price of copper, and so far that has resulted in cables getting shittier, because producers are substituting with cheaper metals less suited for conducting electricity. Further more if some company manages to figure out how to cheaply produce conduction enhancing carbon-nanotubes additives that can be added to steal or aluminum to raise the electrical properties to copper standards. Copper demand will reduce by 90% and the speculators will get wiped out when the price for copper plummets back to roughly production costs. In this example pumping money into a specific circuit causes a complicated pattern.

At present a lot of money is getting pumped into the arms-circuit, and that has caused a huge rise in the cost of weapons, because arms dealers could capture most of that money in market arbitrage. The money was stolen from public services, social spending, infrastructure and industrial investment. That will deprive consumers of purchasing power and shrink commodity production. The result will be rising prices all over.

When wallstreet was flooded with printed out of nothing bail-out money, some of that money massively inflated prices of fictitious capital, which had no immediate inflationary pressure on real commodity production. It represents a financial landmine, where all is ok as long as nothing happens. If something disturbs it and causes all that money to burst into the commodity market, prices will go through the roof. Other parts of that bail-out money flood went into natural monopolies. This has resulted in lots of empty luxury residential buildings, empty commercial spaces and corporate agricultural land-grabs that displaced a gazillion subsistence farmers in poor regions.

Money can also be pumped into infrastructure projects, science and technology research, social well-fare spending, public health care and so on. Better Infrastructure, better technology, better social climate and healthier people are all factors that produce mildly deflationary desirable economic growth.

TDLR:

There isn't one single circulation circuit, and money injections have different effects, depending in which circuit they happen. Don't flat out dismiss the other guy, because what he says isn't wrong, it just doesn't apply to every circuit.
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 No.482925

Statement from the PSL:

In an instant, the political situation in the United States was transformed when a gunman shot Donald Trump while he was on stage at a rally in Butler County, Pennsylvania on July 13.

The situation is still evolving, but the initial political impact is highly favorable for Trump. Instructing his Secret Service detail to pause as they evacuated him from the stage, Trump pumped his fist and yelled to the crowd, “Fight!” — instantly creating iconic images that make Trump look heroic and strong. The contrast between his (self-created and false) image as an unstoppable fighter and Biden's feebleness has never been greater.

Immediately following the shooting, the Biden campaign suspended its advertisements. Practically every major Democratic Party elected official rushed to express their sympathy for Trump and wish him well. A range of corporate leaders, perhaps seeing Trump’s victory as now inevitable, issued statements embracing him.

The main argument the Democratic Party had in the campaign up to now was that Trump was an aspiring dictator and pathological liar who represented an existential threat to democracy. They instantly dropped all these talking points in the name of “coming together” and “turning down the rhetoric.” The furthest Biden now goes is to say Trump has a “competing vision” for the country.

The right wing, on the other hand, immediately went on the attack. J.D. Vance, a vice-presidential contender, directly blamed Biden’s rhetoric for the shooting. Donald Trump, Jr. immediately said after the shooting that his father "will never stop fighting to save America, no matter what the radical left throws at him." There is zero indication the “radical left” had anything to do with this, as the shooter himself was a registered Republican, but such comments have saturated the far-right political ecosystem. They are meant to cow Trump's liberal critics into silence, lest they be seen as supporting violence. It also lays the groundwork and creates a pretext for a new wave of repression, either under a second Trump presidency or even now under Biden.

Already the White House has signaled Biden is planning to go on a new political offensive this week against the campus encampments in solidarity with Palestine as an example of “violent extremism.” This is absurd. The encampments were launched to stop the genocidal violence against the Palestinian people; the student protesters attacked no one and were, in fact, targets of violence themselves.

Trump is headed to Milwaukee for the Republican National Convention. His speech at the RNC will set the tone for the next phase of the campaign. Trump is reportedly rewriting his speech, which had originally been an all-out attack on Biden, to focus more on themes of national unity. With leading capitalists extending him an olive branch, Trump could calculate that his best move would be to move in a “moderate” direction and demonstrate to fellow members of the ultra-rich elite that he can be a unifying, “presidential” figure and present strength for the Empire. Trump has no fixed ideology and solely cares about his image and legacy.

In another sign that an elite consensus was emerging around Trump as the next president, the judge in the classified documents criminal case against Trump suddenly dismissed all charges two days after the assassination attempt. Soon, a DC judge will have to decide if other charges relating to the plot to overturn the 2020 election can go forward in light of the Supreme Court ruling on presidential immunity.

Fake pacifism and a new cycle of political violence

“There is no place in America for this kind of violence,” Joe Biden says. “No exception.” It is important not to lose sight of the extreme hypocrisy of the powerful figures now issuing blanket condemnations of violence.

The same people who are so appalled that someone would shoot at a politician did not bat an eye at the news the same Saturday morning that Israeli fighter jets had just killed 90 Palestinian civilians in a failed assassination attempt of a resistance leader in Gaza. They normalize and defend all the violence carried out by the state — whether in oppressed neighborhoods inside the United States, at the U.S.-Mexico border, or overseas. But then they turn around and say, “violence has never been the answer.”

All the politicians who have suddenly become pacifists for a weekend don’t really mean it. This is about their own safety and no one else’s.

More than anything, they are concerned about a new wave of political violence that could destabilize their rule. Contrary to Biden’s assertions that such political violence is “unheard of,” working-class leaders and social movement leaders have been targeted by violence throughout U.S. history. There have also been periods of U.S. history where violence and assassination have been the methods used to resolve disputes within the ruling class. The U.S. Civil War came about after years of escalating political violence. A century later, the assassinations of John F. Kennedy and Robert F. Kennedy in 1963 and 1968 profoundly reshaped the presidential campaigns that were underway in each of those instances. Then came the shooting that left George Wallace paralyzed in the 1972 election, an election which also saw President Nixon order the break-in to the offices of the DNC. The impeachment of Nixon, and the subsequent appointment of an unelected president and vice-president, Gerald Ford and Nelson Rockefeller, capped off this period of extreme instability in the ruling class — and to end it, Nixon was pardoned in the name of “national unity.”

In periods of major upheaval domestically and internationally, the tendency to resolve struggles within the ruling class using violence grows stronger, as does the tendency to use violence against the people.

Lest we forget: from 2017 to 2020, Democratic Party leaders attempted to undo the 2016 election with the phony Russiagate conspiracy, asserting that Trump was elected because of Russian interference in the election. From Day One of the Trump presidency, the Democratic Party leadership and their supporters were looking to impeach him for being a “puppet” of Putin. Then, in turn, Trump tried to undo the 2020 election by mobilizing fascist forces to seize the Capitol at the moment the vote was to be ratified. And in between these two events, there was a mass uprising against police killing of unarmed civilians, during which the National Guard was called out, Democratic mayors complied with Trump to impose curfews and conduct mass arrests, and Trump itched to invoke the Insurrection Act and call out the military to occupy cities in the United States. Talk about instability.

Headed into the 2024 election, there remains all the same explosive potential around the election and the transfer of power. The underlying social crises — of job destruction, climate destruction, military confrontation, state violence, the cost-of-living crisis, etc. — cannot be solved by either faction of the capitalist class. Neither party can control the two egomaniacs who lead them. The trust in Congress, the White House, and the Supreme Court are at record lows. There are already hundreds of millions of guns in circulation among the population. The country appears to be on a collision course. No wonder they’re saying, “Cool it.”

All this is more important than who, if anyone, the shooter was connected to politically. Theories already abound, and there will now be extensive investigations by multiple different arms of the government with contradictory political interests. There is intense speculation about how the gunman was able to position himself so close to the stage and why police did not stop him. Some of that may become clearer in the coming weeks, but it also may remain shrouded in mystery. Rather than focus on that, class-conscious workers should pay more attention to how the ruling class will politically utilize this assassination attempt in the here and now.

Real working-class unity — no unity with the ruling-class establishment!

The Democrats now want to invoke “unity” and American patriotism to silence criticism of the institutions whose legitimacy has been rapidly in decline. The Republicans also talk of unity and wrap themselves in the flag, but they want to use this event to blast through any opposition to their radical pro-corporate agenda.

The hypocrisy of elite politicians aside, they are playing on a sincere feeling among many working class people that the United States has become deeply divided in a way that has dangerous consequences. People do desire peace over instability, unity over division. The question, then, is what is the answer to “polarization”?

Socialists desire working-class unity, but no unity with the tiny billionaire class that has doubled their profits in the last four years by exploiting people of all backgrounds. The problem is not that people are politically polarized, but that we are polarized on totally the wrong basis.

Working-class people who vote for Biden or for Trump, or neither, have more in common than they may think. They share the same problems paying for rent, mortgage, a tank of gas, and a dozen eggs while dealing with stagnant wages, disrespectful bosses, decrepit schools, exorbitant child care, and parasitic insurance companies. They have almost no democratic say in any of it. They generally want to stay out of wars abroad and would much prefer to see their tax dollars used to build stronger communities.

But both parties, representing two factions of the same ruling class, intentionally keep the working class divided into different political blocks, into the fiction of “blue vs. red” so each can be more easily mobilized in favor of their respective rulers, rather than against their common enemy. Backed by powerful media institutions churning out content, both factions each invent existential threats in the other and drum up points of division to keep workers estranged and voting out of fear. The Republican leaders are, of course, less subtle in their cultural appeals to racism, sexism, and xenophobia. The Democratic leaders, by contrast, use “politically correct” language to signal sympathy for targeted communities, while doing nothing for them and instead protecting the same system of exploitation and Empire.

For all the harsh rhetoric the two parties use against each other, the truth is that they are just shades apart! On most of the issues that are important to the capitalist class, they are on the same team. They work for the same lobbyists and banks, enact the same mass surveillance policies against all of us, and work together to fund and arm Israel, Ukraine, and military contractors. They both work to keep third parties off the ballot and out of the debates. Both scapegoat immigrants for declining services. Neither fights for working people. Our problems won’t be solved when these two parties are more “united.” They are functionally already the same.

As long as this deception continues, and as long as workers have to fight among themselves for the scraps left over by the billionaire class, there will inevitably be countless points of division and conflict. The basis of broad working-class unity is a program that advocates for taking away the power of Wall Street and the Military-Industrial Complex, instead using the country’s wealth to build up housing, healthcare, education, and good-paying jobs, while rejecting all forms of hatred and bigotry.

Since its founding, a small group of rich capitalists have maintained a hold on the political power in this country. For over 150 years, they have maintained this grip on power through two ruling-class parties. The vast majority, those whose labor creates all the real wealth in society, do not hold any political power and are only allowed to participate either as supporters of one of the two parties that don’t represent their needs and interests or as spectators to a system dominated by Big Money. This is a Plutocracy, not a Democracy. Biden tells the public that Trump is the problem. Trump says that Biden is the problem. The real problem is that the biggest banks, corporations, and capitalist-owned media have dictatorial power over society, the government, and its policies. We can create a real democracy in the United States by ending the stranglehold on political and economic power by Wall Street banks and corporations, and their political servants in government.

https://www.liberationnews.org/psl-statement-the-attempted-assassination-of-trump-and-its-political-fallout/
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 No.482926

>Biden: "There's no place in America for this kind of violence"

What a hypocrite. #FreePalestine
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 No.482928

>>482926
it depends on where the emphasis is put

<"There's no place in America for this kind of violence"

Then it just complains that it was the wrong kind of violence

<"There's no place in America for this kind of violence"

In this case it implies that the place for violence is somewhere else like Ukraine, Gaza, Lebanon etc.

>What a hypocrite.

Yeah complaining about violence while conducting warfare in multiple places on the planet that's a bit of a head-scratcher. Maybe he thinks war means pillow fights.
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 No.482935

>>482865
No he wasn't, lol. Biden had a veyr good chance that was only basically fucked over after the dumb debate he did but after the orange idiot got shot in the ear people forgot about it. You have zero political awarness.
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 No.482947

>>482935
>Biden had a veyr good chance that was only basically fucked over after the dumb debate he did
Biden has been falling down stairs, shitting his pants infront of the pope and slurring speeches since 2019. The only thing that has changed is that the media has stopped covering for him.
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 No.482948

>>482867
>You can definitely tell by the sound of thr gun blast that it wasn't an ar15 he was using
Step back everyone, we have a twitter clip audio ballistics expert in here!
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 No.482951

>>482947
basically
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 No.482955

File: 1721162943244.mp4 ( 1.63 MB , 854x480 , videoplayback.mp4 )

how do you upload videos on this site
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 No.482958

File: 1721163937769.webm ( 3.33 MB , 1280x720 , Trump Shooter Thomas Matt….webm )

not the same video but:
https://www.tmz.com/watch/2024-07-15-071424-before-shooting-1863945-603/
Trump Rally Shooter Had Ample Time to Set Up on Roof, Witnesses Tried Warning Cops
wow
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 No.482959

>>482955
if ur on laptop or PC get WebMConverter to create webm
or download the video with youtube-dl or yt-dlp and the default command should give you a webm
or use the Embed option to embed a Youtube link
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 No.482960

>>482959
>>482958
someone just posted it and this time with sound

matthew talking about the length of his penor
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 No.482964

>>482958
>Trump Rally Shooter Had Ample Time to Set Up on Roof
Literally everything went right for this kid (local cops, secret service and snipers all fuck up) right up until the very last second when Trump turns his head and the bullet just misses him. It's kind of crazy to think about.
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 No.482968

>>482964
it's not that crazy, about half or more of assasination attempts via firearm fail, even from much closer distance
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 No.482969

>>482964
>Literally everything went right for this kid
You mean other than him throwing away his life attempting to murder a politician.

>local cops, secret service and snipers all fuck up

That's odd indeed, i guess everybody just assumed that protection services were pretty air-tight when it wasn't.

Are politicians now going to be paraded around in pope-mobiles with a glass-box ?
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 No.482971

watching migatards on social media about this is amusing

they are desperately trying to find ways to call Matthew a transhumanist, non-white, or whatever thing that makes absolutely no sense
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 No.482972

>>482969
>You mean other than him throwing away his life attempting to murder a politician.
Lol imagine thinking he had better possible outcomes than this. Literally missing was the only thing that actually went wrong, he 100% would just have dredged on wishing he was dead & never being able to afford a home otherwise.
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 No.482973

>>482935
He's been getting below 40% approval for most months since October, and regularly polling worse than Trump since that time, and Dems have been wanting him to drop out 'cuz of his age since before that. He lost enough votes in Michigan over his active support of Israel's genocide that it could mean the difference between losing or winning that swing state, and he hasn't been able to go anywhere without protests in this entire 10 month span.
On top of this, Trump is not actually a great candidate, and he won without the popular vote in 2016 to a candidate who was substantially outpolling what Biden has been polling since October. Biden could easily lose the popular vote to one of the least popular presidents in recent history, and this was true even before the debate. His numbers dropped even more after the debate, but he was already lagging behind in like half the polls at that point. He's fucked and he's been fucked.
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 No.483018

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 No.483026

>>483018
probably blew the security budget on scifi-surveillance bullshit, instead of just hiring dudes to guard the perimeter.
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 No.483028

<482838
>actor be actin
>this is literally why 1984 rn
<482850
>goyos you don't understand, the elite literally wasted SOME of their henchmen 4 your show, this cannot be fake!!
<482926
>this other professional political actor says some shit, you better believe it goys!!

>>482964
kek
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 No.483031

>>483018
the secret service leader is correct

you can't secure literally every potentially dangerous area, there is no such thing as perfect security unless this is some freaky new country where we put our nominees in popemobiles

what happened to just assuming presidents will try to make themselves likeable enough so no citizen would want to kill them
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 No.483032

>>483031
>the secret service leader is correct
>you can't secure literally every potentially dangerous area
No such thing as perfect security, but checking the roof-top next to the event for shooters that's a reasonable expectation.

>nominees in popemobiles

how about a bullet proof clothing to protect the body + a transparent contraption to protect the head.

>what happened to just assuming presidents will try to make themselves likeable enough so no citizen would want to kill them

Well Kennedy was very well liked by the citizens, that probably made the ruling class kill him, it's a catch22
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 No.483033

>>483028
>goyos you don't understand, the elite literally wasted SOME of their henchmen 4 your show, this cannot be fake!!
This happening clearly was genuine, however in current times the sane default is incredulity. Distrusting the news, until there is reason to believe what it says is the correct stance.

Also the nebulous-they don't operate with henchmen, they have handlers that manipulate "disposable" people to do the dirty.
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 No.483035

>>483031
They saw the guy tho.
Like, he was literally in the sight line of a sniper while he was doing it.
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 No.483036

>>483035
>They saw the guy tho.
Yes, they were also able to crack his phone, but couldn't stop him from taking pot-shots at a politician.
warped priorities
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 No.483044

>>482866
>but I think it's not impossible that it was some sort of inside job
Who would have to gain from that though? There is no difference between Trump and Biden for the powers that be.
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 No.483046

>>483032
There's no such thing as bullet proof clothing, only various grades of bullet resistance. Body armor only protests the chest area anyway, while assassins know to target other areas, especially the head. Good luck convincing politicians to wear helmets at every public appearance.

I suppose there were some shitheads in ancient Rome that made a show out of wearing their armor everywhere to try and convince people that there was some kind of plot on their life.
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 No.483047

>>483046
Bullet proof helmets are impossible for the same reason that you can't can't have explosion proof garments; The concussive force is so great that it makes the armor irrelevant.
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 No.483048

>>483046
There is fancy bullet resistant fabric that can do nice looking suits. Those defeat all the smaller calibers. That forces potential hitmen to use a big shoulder-cannon, which ought to be conspicuous enough for the security detail to notice.

>Good luck convincing politicians to wear helmets

There's tough transparent materials, with good design, acceptable aesthetics should be possible

>>483047
You could go for a big shoulder mounted transparent bulb design so that it can't directly translate a kinetic impulse into the head.
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 No.483060

>>483048
> That forces potential hitmen to use a big shoulder-cannon
Depends if they plan to escape. There are stockless options where you sacrifice your wrists instead.
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 No.483064

>>483060
>Depends if they plan to escape
It's still a statistics win. Far fewer people are willing to become a hitman if they have to sacrifice them selves.

The next level up for security would be a portable weapons-detector. Like a handheld scanner gadget that can point and detect. Shift funding from the pointless surveillance fortune-teller routine, towards hard measurement of physical reality.
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 No.483087

>>483064
>Far fewer people are willing to become a hitman if they have to sacrifice them selves.
Was this kid a hitman? He made no attempt to escape. Was not overtly political, didn't sperg about politics on social media no manifesto. He was just a sad loser who wanted to make a mark on the world and go out in style. All the people around him told him that taking out trump would get him the most fame because trump is hitler or whatever. If he spent more time on 4chan instead of reddit he would have shot up a school or something instead.
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 No.483092

>>483087
>Was this kid a hitman?
Probably not.

I guess social desolation didn't really occur to me as a motivator. If we fix society, the economic system, etc that'll go away. For everything else we'll stuff politicians into bullet resistant clothing, and develop portable scanners for the security people.
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 No.483094

Even if trump had been assassinated, he's not the problem. The problem is all the other people under and around him. "Trumpism" is an institution, not a person. This has only made them more brazen. There needs to be an asymmetrical way of going after these poeple, and so far making fun of them online or even in person has not worked. If anything, it seems to have made trumpists double down on a bad bet.

These people will become violent if their candidate, whoever that may be, ends up in office. Project 2025 is insane.
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 No.483095

>>483094
>"Trumpism" is an institution
Yeah it's called capitalism and it's been around long before Trump. Don't fall for the idea that Trump is some anomaly.
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 No.483096

>>483095

I'm not talking about capitalism, I'm talking about outright facism. Capitalism is an economic force. Facicsm is an idealist force. The end result may be the same, but the motivating factor is different. One is motivated by personal gain and greed, the other by bigotry and hatred.

Both are bad, but the important difference is that anyone can be a facist, but only rich people can be a capitalist. Yes there are also rich capitalist facists, but I'm making a broader distinction here.
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 No.483097

>>483094
>Project 2025
It's interesting that we're only now hearing about this. Sounds like another bugbear pushed by the Democrats to terrorize people into voting for their fascist. In the end it doesn't really matter which puppet is in power, our rulers still get what they want. If you want to resist that then you have to attack the credibility of their institutions. The delusion that the rot is only coming from a certain faction leads to the most unproductive and self-defeating tactics.
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 No.483100

>>483095

>>483097


It was written in January, not sure when they published it. Nobody really noticed til the leaders of Project 2025 (The name of the organization, the document I believe is titled "Mandate for Leadership" or something) started making the rounds on the news. The head of the organization literally said, and I quote "A bloodless transition, if the left let it." It was around the same time that trump also started saying things like "Hunt down the leftists". If they win, and they will if the DNC runs Harris, it's going to be some pretty hard times for a lot of people.

Also, I'm not talking about organizations here. I've been very careful and specific with my word choices. "Institution" is in reference to something akin to institutionalized racism within the police, not an institute. Capitalism is not an organization. These institutional facist beliefs are much more insidious. That's why I said

>There needs to be an asymmetrical way of going after these people.
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 No.483104

>>483100
You're still falling down the extremely counter-productive rabbit hole of "going after these people"–as if fascism stems entirely from a group of baddies and if we stop the baddies we win. Fascism is not something you simply resist. It's a state of affairs you will end up with if the left doesn't provide a coherent alternative in a time of systemic crisis. The way to defeat fascism is to have ourselves a real organized proletarian revolution.
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 No.483105

>>483104
I think maybe we need to replace the word facists with nazis for you to grasp exactly what I'm getting at. Yes, we need an organized proleterian revolution to combat systemic repression. This is a different issue.

In systemic repression, the opposition is (usually) established in power. This is (currently) a different situation with the nazis. The nazis have been stewing in the background using coded language (dog whistles) and mustering strength. Now they are openly organizing. We don't need a proletariate revolution to stop the nazis from gaining power. In fact, it probably wouldn't even impact the issue of literal nazis organizing in the streets and establishing themselves within organizations like law enforcement, first responders, etc. In fact, they are using the same proletariate revolution tactics (like parallel polis) to gain power that the left should be using, but for the opposite ends.

You seem to want to dismiss and typecast me, rather than engage in any kind of good faith discussion. No, facicsm does not stem entirely from a group of baddies. But you can't stick your head in the sand and pretend like groups of baddies don't already exist. They do exist. They are organized. I'm not trying to stop facism as a whole, though we can certainly work towards that end. What I am trying to do is bring light to (we're going to change this term again) authoritarian nationalists (literally nazis) publicly brandishing their agenda who will in all likelihood take over at the national level.

We can oppose both capitalism and facism at the same time, but it's important to be able to distinguish between the two.
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 No.483106

>>483094
>There needs to be an asymmetrical way of going after these poeple
IMHO the correct way is to create a better political alternative.

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