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 No.154405

How would a stateless, classless and moneyless society benefit incels? The 2 most popular copes are porn and prostitutes, but in a society where one doesn't need money, what's the incentive for women to make porn or become prostitutes? They can obtain all the sex they want for free anyway, and they're certainly not going to show themselves off to incels. So how would incels cope under socialism or communism?
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 No.154406

>>154405
A society that benefits workers would probably invest a lot more into the health of their population. A socialist society would also, get this, be more social. People would be more socialized and more fit, and we would have less shut-in neets because people would have more money to go out and do shit, leading to more socialization.

Besides improving socialization, dating for women wouldn't come down to how wealthy a man is, but rather their status within society, which in a communist society would likely come from having actual merit rather than exploitation. So anyone that's a hard worker and a community leader would probably be seen as having higher social status.

This gives regular people a much higher chance to be seen as a capable provider/protector etc for a woman. Of course not everyone wants the same things, and I don't really know what kind of social issues we will have in the future, but I can tell you for sure you will feel better living under communism, dating life included.
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 No.154407

>>154406
>dating for women wouldn't come down to how wealthy a man is, but rather their status within society, which in a communist society would likely come from having actual merit rather than exploitation
What "merit" exists in a communist society? I though the whole point was that there is no hierarchy and everyone will have access to equal resources.

What OP is saying is that in a communist society only the 6" 6 pack chads will get all the women and the genetically ungifted men won't even have the option of working hard at a good job and making money to attract a wife.

Communism takes away the only hope that incels have.
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 No.154408

>>154407
>What "merit" exists in a communist society?

Whatever you can provide for other people, sure you have access to the same public resources, but what you do with your time and what you work on might make you either a brilliant scientist or doctor or artist or you can be just some guy that keeps his head down and does the bare minimum to get by because he doesn't care to contribute. It's all fine by me, but women might prefer the former, no?
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 No.154409

>>154407
>genetically ungifted men won't even have the option of working hard at a good job and making money to attract a wife

Of course they will. That was my point. They will have a much, much, more fair chance at that. Yuri Garagrin was the son of a milk maid and a carpenter. He would not have had the opportunity he did under capitalism where everything is gate-kept by the rich for the rich.

The genetic thing, I don't really know man. You'll have to be funny or something.
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 No.154410

>>154408
>women might prefer the former, no?
The only reason women prefer the former under a private property society is because those men earn more resources to spend on their family. What you call "status" is merely a heuristic for earning potential.

If everybody has access the the same resources then women would probably prefer a man who spends all day with his family instead of working for ungrateful strangers for zero profit.

>>154409
>Of course they will. That was my point. They will have a much, much, more fair chance at that.
And I'm telling you you're wrong. In a private property society a short ugly man can still work hard to become an engineer or drug dealer or something.

>Yuri Garagrin was the son of a milk maid and a carpenter.

Careful now was that "real" communism?

>You'll have to be funny or something.

Funny is just a proxy for intelligence and intelligence is just a proxy for earning potential. Female attraction is genetics and earning potential. Under communism everybody has the same earning potential so genetics is the only thing left. And you can't change genetics. If you're struggling to find a mate now you will be completely fucked under communism.
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 No.154411

OP here
The people you lot aren't considering at all is that not everyone is going to be an artist or an astronaut. Some people are still going to be janitors and cashiers. How would these guys cope? They have no status to rely on, and they can't cope with the usual copes because there's no incentive to provide porn for free or for prostitutes to do their work for free.
>but porn is free now
yes because ad companies make money from it, under communism ad companies obviously wouldn't exist, so why would porn continue being made without a porn industry backing it?
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 No.154413

>>154406
Invest in trades and life skills in schools. People mystify the sociobiological realm when its just trade skills that make the man.

>>154411
These guys are idealists.
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 No.154414

>>154405
Communism would probably mean the death of introverts. Can't run a commune with a bunch of people who don't enjoy speaking to other people.
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 No.154416

Humanity will likely be gone before socialism is even implemented at a global scale.
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 No.154417

>>154414
I think youre confusing autism with introversion.
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 No.154418

>>154413
>Invest in trades and life skills in schools. People mystify the sociobiological realm when its just trade skills that make the man.

This is kind of tangential, but I was thinking earlier today… why not have high school students learn, like, construction & repair, and then, like, have them do free home repairs for low-income folks and on-the-job construction learning for credit with instructors nearby? It seems like such an obvious programme that surely somebody already does something like that, right? School is essentially already mandatory unpaid labor, why not use it to address the needs of the community as well as the job training needs of students?
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 No.154420

>>154405
it won't, you will be systematically exterminated like troons because you are one and the same
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 No.154421

>>154417
There's an overlap with autism and introversion
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 No.154422

>>154418
High school is too late.
Start in middle school.
But irony was, vocational classes were common in American schools until the 1970s/80s becaise of liberals whining about minorites being "discouraged" from higher education.

Fast forward three to five decades and every ethnic minority in West Europe and North America is just a an alternative suburban failson due to their parents signing them over to the liberal order to "give them a better life."

And of course these "failsons" arent lazy. Theyre spiritually castrated by Angloid suburban schooling.

Most postboomer schooling overfocuses on "social skills".

Nowadays, Gen X/Millennial progressives are saying that trades or industrial participation is a waste of youth.

Theyre advocating to raise the starting age of adulthood to mid-twenties/early thirties.
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 No.154423

>>154421
Idk.
I think alot of introversion of autists is just failure to fit in raher than any actual introversion.

Look at imageboards with the obnoxious moral henpecking, semi-sarcasm, and whining about missing out on childhood misadventures and tell me that is genuine introversion.
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 No.154450

>>154423
If you don't fit in now you probably won't fit in in a communist society.
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 No.154451

>>154450
>if you dont fit in capitalist society then you wont fit in in communist society [soyface]
you probably identify as a retard
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 No.154458

Don't need so called "women" for porn. Erotica and Hentai is better anyway, and often freely shared. Also the idea that you shouldn't circle jerk with your comrades is just foolish. Sure, A world where the chads get all the hotties and you have to gaycope is sad, but the idea that some class other than yourself should be responsible for all the making others cum is ridiculous.

The ideal world has us all making each other cum whenever we need it, all feeling sexy, all feeling pretty. We can't totally achieve that right now, in part because of our bodies, but technology offers us a way towards such a day, and in the mean time, you can practice this by avoiding corporate and 3d porn, and gooning and trooning with the ideologically motivated people you love and trust, while avoiding of course irresponsible behavior in service of this. <3
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 No.154459

>>154410
>A short ugly man can still work hard to become an engineer
Under capitalism the state doesn't provide education, you have to have a rich daddy to get into school. Well in some capitalist countries, that call themselves social democracies, higher education might be free, but in the USSR almost everyone had a post-secondary education so I don't see why working hard won't benefit you under communism, can you explain?

To me it seems like it's much more pointless to work hard for a private company.

>Careful now was that "real" communism?

As real as capitalism is in America.

>Female attraction is genetics and earning potential.

I would maybe agree about it being looks + social status because genetics makes you hot, and earning potential makes you considered successful.

If you remove exploitation from society everyone has a much higher chance of self-realization, and to have respect and status within their community solely based on merit. No doubt women would find that attractive.

Anon you have failed to convince me that men have it easier under capitalism (or private society as you say). After all lots of men (and women btw) are having trouble with relationships and dating, and guess what, this epidemic is yet another symptom of capitalism. However I also think you failed to imagine life under socialism and you're relying on what propaganda has told you it will be like, so you are making some pretty inaccurate comparisons.
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 No.154460

>>154458
cursed comment
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 No.154461

>>154414
You can just text. Anti-social people and introverts are not the same thing. If you hate people, then there is no place for you in my community.
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 No.154462

>janitors and cashiers
Why can't cashiers hook up with other cashiers?

Btw in communism you probably would have to work fewer hours than now, after all there's so much automation, we don't need to keep everyone employed for the sake of employment.

So given more money and more free time wouldn't you find other hobbies to do? Wouldn't you join a band and meet people through playing shows? Or doing sports?

What are your interests anyway? If you have no interests and no social skills maybe you need to work on yourself, changing the economic basis of society isn't going to help you much if you're too boring to date.
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 No.154476

>>154459
>Under capitalism the state doesn't provide education, you have to have a rich daddy to get into school.
So you agree we don't live under capitalism.

First of all, make your own school. It's not the 1300s anymore anybody can download a pdf textbook from the internet and teach it to children. The only reason private schools are expensive now is because everybody is forced to pay for public schools through taxation so there is very little demand to pay for the same thing twice. If public schools didn't exist then private schools would be like barber shops, they would be everywhere with prices as varied as the market demands.

Second of all, do you really think companies like Google and Apple are just going to say "oh well nobody can code anymore guess we'll stop making iPhones". For high skill education, private companies would give scholorships to kids who are bright enough to make it worth their while. The money of your parents would be not as big a factor as innate talent.

You are right in the sense though if you wanted to spend $100,000 to study something that does not benefit society in any way like feminist dance therapy then you would need rich parents.

>As real as capitalism is in America.

You're talking about a system where luxury goods like cars and apartments were scarce and allocated to high ranking government officials first. That is the "status" your friend was talking about. As I understand it, "real" communism wouldn't be corrupted like that. Resources would flow to those who "need" it not to those who suck Stalin's dick.

>After all lots of men (and women btw) are having trouble with relationships and dating, and guess what, this epidemic is yet another symptom of capitalism.

You admitted yourself we don't live under capitalism. 50% of your income is stolen by the state and the rest is inflated away by the central bank. The reason why girls don't get married at 18 anymore is because the state uses the money it steals from you the worker and uses it to bribe and propagandize girls to avoid series relationships. Ironically your "education" is a big part of that. By moving the cost of university over to the working men, women go to university to ruin their bodies and get indoctrinated with feminist ideology and you are being forced to pay for it by the state.
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 No.154501

https://theconversation.com/how-neoliberalism-is-damaging-your-mental-health-90565
How neoliberalism is damaging your mental health
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/oct/12/neoliberalism-creating-loneliness-wrenching-society-apart
Neoliberalism is creating loneliness. That’s what’s wrenching society apart | George Monbiot | The Guardian
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8145185/#:~:text=Neoliberalism%20also%20encourages%20consumerism%20and,esteem%20(James%2C%202008)
Mental Health Challenges Related to Neoliberal Capitalism in the United States - PMC

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