[ home / overboard / sfw / alt / cytube] [ leftypol / b / WRK / hobby / tech / edu / ga / ent / music / 777 / posad / i / a / lgbt / R9K / dead ] [ meta ][Options]

/b/ - Siberia

"We need an imageboard of action to fight for OC making posters."
Name
Email
Subject
Comment
Flag
File
Select/drop/paste files here
Embed
Password (For file deletion.)

Matrix   IRC Chat   Mumble


File (hide): 1734883569441.jpg ( 126.13 KB , 852x686 , FISHERxHITLER_WHY.jpg )

[–]

 No.156146>>158232

Well?

tags:
Mark Fisher
Adolf Hitler
suicide
death
>>

 No.158230

File (hide): 1748971851487.jpeg ( 740.87 KB , 3024x4032 , mtsae1wb0k4f1.jpeg )

Fuck this bitch ass site for not replying to this
>>

 No.158232

>>156146 (OP) (Me) (Myself)
haha amazing observation OP, well done lad!
>>

 No.158233>>158234

Both wrote slop for anticommunists.
>>

 No.158234>>158235

>>158233
How is Mark Fisher an anti-communist when he makes a critique of things?
>>

 No.158235>>158245

>>158234
He was an academic, they are they biggest producers of anticommunist slop distortion because of their class position.
>How is Mark Fisher an anti-communist when he makes a critique of things?
Critique alone is not what makes one a communist. What matters is the class standpoint, the method of analysis, and the political program one advances.
>>

 No.158237

Nobody respect Hitler because he only kill himself cuz he got made 2 do it.
Mark Fisher did it for the love of the game.
>>

 No.158245>>158248

[Embed]
>>158235
>anti-communism is when you teach at a university
What an absolute retard.
>What matters is the class standpoint, the method of analysis, and the political program one advances.
Literally vidrel.
>>

 No.158248>>158249>>158259

>>158245
>What an absolute retard
Do you have an actual argument?
Most academics and intellectuals occupy layers of the petty bourgeoisie and function as ideological agents of the ruling class. Even those who identify as “left” routinely distort Marxism, detach it from proletarian struggle, and act as obstacles to the labor movement and revolutionary leadership.

"Capitalist Realism" is pessimistic slop that mystifies capitalist social relations and overly focuses on cultural critique, neglecting the material, class-based struggle essential to revolutionary change.
>>

 No.158249>>158250

>>158248
Most academics are not really anti-communist. They just don't care about any political positions outside of liberalism.

They are petite-bourgeoise though
>>

 No.158250>>158251

>>158249
Indifference to any politics outside liberalism is a form of anti-communism.
>>

 No.158251>>158253

>>158250
>People who don't care about my ideology are part of the enemy camp


Persecution complex much?
>>

 No.158253>>158254

>>158251
It's not about "my ideology", it's about the class character of liberalism and the objective social function of political indifference in a capitalist society.

I'm not saying everyone outside the labor movement is "the enemy." The working class, including those with backward ideas, can be won to revolutionary politics because of their position in production.

Marxism doesn't label people enemies because of simple disagreement. It analyzes which class interests are being served by ideas and institutions.

Liberal neutrality is not neutral, it defends existing relations of exploitation.
Most workers may not be consciously anti-capitalist, but their material interests clash with capital. They can be convinced. The petty-bourgeois intelligentsia often defend the status quo to maintain their position above labor.
>>

 No.158254>>158259>>158260

>>158253
>Marxism doesn't label people enemies because of simple disagreement. It analyzes which class interests are being served by ideas and institutions

🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

If that's true, how come so many leftists decry anything as "bourgeois" just because said folk are in better prospects than them?
Leftists preach about zero-judgement and full-acceptance but they all reek of tall poppy syndrome.

>The working class, including those with backward ideas, can be won to revolutionary politics because of their position in production.


Once again with the godawful paternalistic complex.

>Liberal neutrality is not neutral, it defends existing relations of exploitation.

Most workers may not be consciously anti-capitalist, but their material interests clash with capital. They can be convinced. The petty-bourgeois intelligentsia often defend the status quo to maintain their position above labor.

Ok that's a fair assessment. But then, the same could be said about communism and fascism.
>>

 No.158259>>158265>>158269

>>158248
>Most academics and intellectuals occupy layers of the petty bourgeoisie
<class is defined by the control over the means of production, not job occupation
<proles can have false consciousness and Engels was a bourgeois
<you can't dismiss a work as petty bourgeois without even knowing what it's about
>"Capitalist Realism" is pessimistic slop
You just admitted you haven't read a book without saying it. Mark Fisher calls out this Fukuyamaist attitude in his book, not supports it.
>>158254
>leftists
That's not "leftists," that's a very specific portion of MLs who hide their conservative sensitivities behind Marxist terminology.
>>

 No.158260>>158265

>>158254
>Once again with the godawful paternalistic complex.
Not really. Again, some leftists do have it (MLs especially) but it's more like a Machiavellian pandering to the proles' class interests. Marxism is class interests + classical economics basically, it claims that the workers cannot fully satisfy their class interests under a capitalist system because they conflict with the class interests of the bourgeoisie based on classical economics (Marx thought that the economists after Smith and Ricardo are phonies, and most Marxists nowadays side with Smith, Ricardo and Keynes most often). I don't think this simple observation is in any way a paternalistic complex. A savior complex? Maybe. But not a paternalistic one.
>But then, the same could be said about communism and fascism.
I see. There is a misunderstanding. I assume you're either a right-winger or a centrist who doesn't understand the lingo we're using. We use the word "communism" to either refer to a communist society or dozens and dozens of ideologies that want to achieve it which adherents all hate each other and call each other names. What you're most likely referring to is Marxism-Leninism, in which case anarcho-communists would agree with you. But you see, anarcho-communists don't want that to happen.
>>

 No.158265

>>158260
>>158259
>Muh Marxist-Leninism

Wtf is Marxist-Leninism? And why do so many in the leftist community hate them?
>>

 No.158269

>>158259
>class is defined by the control over the means of production, not job occupation
What is your point? Academics and other professional layers live off the rents of the bourgeoisie get from surplus. Their function is to maintain and reproduce current class relations.
>proles can have false consciousness
Yes, proletarians can have false consciousness. That’s why Marxists engage in political education and agitation—to raise class consciousness and organize independent of the bourgeoisie.
>Engels was a bourgeois
What matters is not birth, but one’s political alignment, material interests, and role in the class struggle. His writings, actions, and funding of the workers’ movement prove that.

Unique IPs: 9
Replies: Files: Page:

[Return][Catalog][Top][Home][Post a Reply]
Delete Post [ ]
[ home / overboard / sfw / alt / cytube] [ leftypol / b / WRK / hobby / tech / edu / ga / ent / music / 777 / posad / i / a / lgbt / R9K / dead ] [ meta ]
ReturnCatalogTopBottomRefresh: Home