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 No.158719

This site is really depressing, its users are depressing, and in general everything is bad here. I think this makes men who do not have sexual relations, nor who focus on succubi, look bad, since the first thing someone outside will read will be threads of misfortune and misery. So I ask you, have you never tried to improve and improve?
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 No.158720

>glow uyghur psyop coming from the glow uyghur board.

Yeah ok faggot shut up.
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 No.158722

>>158720
>psyop
lmao
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 No.158723

>This site is really depressing
Idk I think people here have a positive and realistic outlook, except for R9K which is full of antisocial animals, maybe your problem is browsing that board?
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 No.158724

>>158723
Yeah ok faggot shut up.
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 No.158725

>>158724
Why did you even make a thread then?
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 No.158726

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 No.158727

>>158726
He just wants to bitch and complain and do nothing like everyone else, ofc.
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 No.158729

>>158723
>Idk I think people here have a positive and realistic outlook,


You're joking right?

With the amount of people who whine about pop culture going to slop and how sexless they are and being broke?
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 No.158730

>>158719

Is this projection? Since I joined :
>I got married
>I got my dream job
>I got physically fit
>I got back into reading (and collecting books)
>I had a son
>I made loads of connections here of really wonderful people
>I self-improved so hard that I am a radically different person.
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 No.158731

>>158729
What is wrong with talking about and bitching about the state of culture? Whqat you seriously think the current cultural zeitgeist is good?
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 No.158732

>>158731
>What is wrong with talking about and bitching about the state of culture? Whqat you seriously think the current cultural zeitgeist is good?

Not that anon, but I see a lot of the critiques of pop culture on this site as just being kinda bland and juvenile. I say this as someone who sees mainstream pop music as the cultural equivalent of a brood parasite, the kind of critiques I see around here tend to just be incredibly poorly made, which is annoying because as a successor to /leftypol/ we should have a higher level of discourse than, I don't know, the basic-ass YouTube comments section shit which seems to predominate here in practice. It's just not very stimulating.
Not that I'd like to spend a whole bunch of time talking about some shitty pop stars and the functions they serve as icons for the state, I feel like even if we had better discussions about that I would still find it boring because I don't really like going into every detail about what's wrong with some dumb vapid bullshit which is pumped into every market to replace regional culture. But it's crazy how little the people who occasionally do wanna talk about that on this site seem to put real thought into it or value any thought beyond "You listen to Justin Bieber / I listen to [insert thing] - we are not the same" level stuff.

Nothing wrong with shitting on pop culture (or "whining" about being broke, nothing wrong with that either), though.
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 No.158734

>>158730

I second this.

I lost my virginity to a girl I met on here 10 years ago.

I have made friends on here.

I've learned a alot from this place and I keep learning.

Life is what you make of it OP
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 No.158739

>>158731
What are you saying that hasn't been said since time began?

Also, what's wrong with not bitching about "muh pop culture decline"?

>>158732
>Not that anon, but I see a lot of the critiques of pop culture on this site as just being kinda bland and juvenile.

It's not juvenile, it's pretentious.

>I say this as someone who sees mainstream pop music as the cultural equivalent of a brood parasite,


Why though ? Because that's what you've been taught by the pop culture itself?

>the kind of critiques I see around here tend to just be incredibly poorly made, which is annoying because as a successor to /leftypol/ we should have a higher level of discourse than, I don't know, the basic-ass YouTube comments section shit which seems to predominate here in practice. It's just not very stimulating.



What's so bad about "YouTube comment section"? Virtually any form of non-professional critique is gonna be the same way.

>Not that I'd like to spend a whole bunch of time talking about some shitty pop stars and the functions they serve as icons for the state, I feel like even if we had better discussions about that I would still find it boring because I don't really like going into every detail about what's wrong with some dumb vapid bullshit which is pumped into every market to replace regional culture.


This.
To me, alot of criticism against pop stars is more jealousy of "why this guy get more money and pussy than me?"
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 No.158740

>>158739
>It's not juvenile, it's pretentious.
No, it's juvenile. Don't try to correct me, dumbass.

>Why though ? Because that's what you've been taught by the pop culture itself?

No.

Because it's a bunch of rich guys, largely concentrated in a few wealthy areas, who use insidious marketing and heaps of money, based on the same tricks developed by the likes of Edward Bernays at the birth of PR, to manipulate people into a state where consuming particular products is perceived to be a default state or a signifier of normality. These products then supplant local culture, people accept them as "ours" because they are told to, even though they actually represent the will of small, economically disconnected people very far away, and what those people think everyone else ought to be listening to or watching or doing right now.

Those people, the rich guys producing & investing in pop culture, themselves are usually connected to the corporate or political side of the state; the arms industry, the news media, zionism, neoliberalism, etc. Despite being marketed as "pop" culture, it's not the people holding the reigns, but the imperial machine which controls the state icons. A typical popstar is an avatar for the state in the same way that zionist and "prosperity gospel" megachurches are effectively the state religious of neoconservative capitalism. These are intermediaries which the state uses to manipulate, distract, and control the people… to humanize jingoism, apathy, theft, and imperialism, to repackage "resistance" as plastic slogans which offer no real challenge to the entrenched power of the oligarchs. Even art itself is repackaged as a spectator sport, expression is relegated to what media you as an individual happen to consume.

Meanwhile, the culture on the ground, the remaining regional culture, tends to be far more connected to the pulse of the people. It isn't filtered through the whims of the state. When it comes to music it's even generally better - like more interesting, better hooks, less boring. But I'm supposed to pretend like it's not!

"Pop culture" is a payola game where an inferior cultural product is marketed by millionaires to ordinary people as "their own" culture. They take it in, accept it, put their own money into it, and it in turn takes their money and their culture.

I learned all of this simply through observation.

>What's so bad about "YouTube comment section"?

I gave an example in the post you're replying to:
<But it's crazy how little the people who occasionally do wanna talk about that on this site seem to put real thought into it or value any thought beyond "You listen to Justin Bieber / I listen to [insert thing] - we are not the same" level stuff.
If you don't understand why this kind of "discourse" (the bolded part) is juvenile then I don't think I'll be able to make you understand.

>Virtually any form of non-professional critique is gonna be the same way.

This just isn't true.

>To me, alot of criticism against pop stars is more jealousy of "why this guy get more money and pussy than me?"

This is also a bad analysis.
The criticisms around here are typically very dumb, but I don't think they're generally jealousy, but they're still poorly considered. Maybe some are.
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 No.158741

>>158740
>megachurches are effectively the state *religions
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 No.158742

>>158740
>No, it's juvenile. Don't try to correct me, dumbass.

How is it juvenile?
More adults whining about pop culture from a "it's not cool like it used to be" angle.

>Because it's a bunch of rich guys, largely concentrated in a few wealthy areas, who use insidious marketing and heaps of money, based on the same tricks developed by the likes of Edward Bernays at the birth of PR, to manipulate people into a state where consuming particular products is perceived to be a default state or a signifier of normality. These products then supplant local culture, people accept them as "ours" because they are told to, even though they actually represent the will of small, economically disconnected people very far away, and what those people think everyone else ought to be listening to or watching or doing right now.



You know that local cultures are not static and can be influenced by metropolitan areas even in the old days.

The problem is not "cultural appropriation", but rather that said products are oversold.

>Meanwhile, the culture on the ground, the remaining regional culture, tends to be far more connected to the pulse of the people. It isn't filtered through the whims of the state. When it comes to music it's even generally better - like more interesting, better hooks, less boring. But I'm supposed to pretend like it's not!


Umm, you know that a lot of our pop culture is due to regional scenes being recognized in Hollywood, right?

Pop culture isn't some mere fabrication. It did use regional scenes to make a product.

>If you don't understand why this kind of "discourse" (the bolded part) is juvenile then I don't think I'll be able to make you understand.


It's not juvenile though.
It's more adult.
Not mature, but adult.
It's just mainly adults whom feel like their generational epoch should be enshrined as eternal.

> A typical popstar is an avatar for the state in the same way that zionist and "prosperity gospel" megachurches are effectively the state religious of neoconservative capitalism. These are intermediaries which the state uses to manipulate, distract, and control the people… to humanize jingoism, apathy, theft, and imperialism, to repackage "resistance" as plastic slogans which offer no real challenge to the entrenched power of the oligarchs. Even art itself is repackaged as a spectator sport, expression is relegated to what media you as an individual happen to consume.



Let's be honest: art it self has no revolutionary effect.
It's what people choose to do.
Also, there's no need to humanize all those vices you listed because humans commit them all the time.
People don't need a state to be told to commit such atrocities.
They do it all the time to each other.

Also, pop stars are not avatars for the state.
If anything it's more the political pundits whom are.

>"Pop culture" is a payola game where an inferior cultural product is marketed by millionaires to ordinary people as "their own" culture. They take it in, accept it, put their own money into it, and it in turn takes their money and their culture.


That's what most "underground/indie" culture is.


>This is also a bad analysis.

The criticisms around here are typically very dumb, but I don't think they're generally jealousy, but they're still poorly considered. Maybe some are.

My friend, have you ever been on Ogre? Lots of whining about "Chads" and dogs stealing away female affection from "us poor incels".
There's a lot of ragebait posts that wish death upon young women.
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 No.158745

>>158742
>More adults whining about pop culture from a "it's not cool like it used to be" angle.
And that's juvenile.

>You know that local cultures are not static and can be influenced by metropolitan areas even in the old days.

>The problem is not "cultural appropriation", but rather that said products are oversold.
Neither of these sentences is engaging with anything I said. I never once said "cultural appropriation," nor did I say anything about "local cultures being influenced by metropolitan areas."
I'm talking about payola and Bernays-style PR by millionaires connected to the corporate state, keep up.

>Umm, you know that a lot of our pop culture is due to regional scenes being recognized in Hollywood, right?

Again, this isn't engaging with anything I said.

It's not a counter-point to anything I said to say that the mass-marketed media which is pushed to replace better organic cultural expressions sometimes offers inferior imitations. That doesn't contradict my argument that pop culture is a sort of cultural brood parasite, if anything it supports it.

>It's not juve

Semantic. Grow up. ;P

>Let's be honest: art it self has no revolutionary effect.

Never said it does. That's not the point. Get this delusion out of your head that art is revolutionary. Art is expression. Art is tradition. Art is culture. These are the things which "pop culture" supplants and co-opts in order to redirect energy from these things to the will of the state.
The mere act of expressing is not revolutionary, merely expressive. Even this is unacceptable to the state, so it replaces culture with its own simulated culture and art with its own simulated artists who are vassals of the state and only "express" to extents acceptable to the state's agenda.

Again, and I want you to understand this, the expression is only expression. But even that is stifled.

>Also, there's no need to humanize all those vices you listed because humans commit them all the time.

They aren't "vices" which are "committed," they're behavior patterns which are actively encouraged by the state and its corporate media. To it they are virtues. Forget all this stupid moral terminology in your head, I'm talking about a system of statecraft. You put a popstar on stage who tells everyone that it's ok to muffle your disgust, that the empire is glorious, that, at best, revolution is saying "I don't like this," and that serves a purpose for the state, my personal view of whether that is good or bad is not relevant to the state. These icons, which replace other forms of culture through aggressive astroturfed marketing campaigns informed by psychology, are purposefully utilized to embody virtues encouraged by or acceptable to the state in order to encourage the citizenry to behave in the same way.

>People don't need a state to be told to commit such atrocities.

Then why tf does the army have to pay people who enlist?
Why does the media filter out people who loudly object to what is being done? Why have mainstream news outlets like the New York Times told their reporters to downplay the genocide in Palestine?

Because the "human nature" argument is bullshit and only goes so far to explain things in a system which deliberately imposes conditions to encourage such complicity.

>Also, pop stars are not avatars for the state.

Yes they are and I've already explained why.

>If anything it's more the political pundits whom are.

It's not either/or, it's both.

>That's what most "underground/indie" culture is.

You have no idea what you're talking about, and you have a poor comprehension of what I'm talking about, too.
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 No.158750

>>158745
Your post is fair point
I apologize for being dense

But now you understand my frustration with these "incels" constantly whining about "TFW no gf" thinking that romantic love is owed to them by default?

Now you understand my frustration about childhood and adolescence being manufactured?

Our gender relations are also manufactured.
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 No.158753

>>158750
Why do people say we think that? That's such a fucking sterotype. Maybe pull the log out of your own eye before you point out the stick in mine because I have tried to play the dating game I have tried to be that bad boy edge lord I have tried everything to actually find a partner (with varying success) but I am still alone. And If I don't have a family to look forward to in my life then I have no reason to work.
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 No.158754

>>158753
This is what I'm talking about.
Yes, I'm well aware that most of you have payed the dating games far too many times for any low-prospect man.
But the point I'm saying is that romantic love is oversold as an automatic grant for adulthood.

Also you confessing you've tried the "bad boy persona" is especially cringe worthy.

And why do you people always say that having a family/partner is your sole motive for working?

Do you not know how many family men are disenchanted with their lives?

If you need a family to motivate you to work, then I'm sorry my friend,you're already ballast.

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