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 No.158951

Thread to post all our schizo takes on why something is propaganda.

I'll start with an easy one from reddit, because everything on reddit is propaganda.

>the world will not treat you better just because you're a good person


This is just promoting individualism and nihilism and ignores the fact that if you're better people treat you better, and that makes facing the world easier.
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 No.158952

>ignores the fact that if you're better people treat you better, and that makes facing the world easier.
I mean, that's not strictly true. Maybe to an extent, but it depends on what you call "the world." I cannot honestly look at myself and say "I'm a bigger piece of shit than Joe Biden, Donald Trump, Benjamin Netanyahu, Keir Starmer, and Peter Thiel" - objectively, I have killed less people and fucked less people over and feel less entitled to do those things than those people do. Does the world treat me better?
Not really. Those people are all rich. The world actively gives them money and power, and even the many people who dislike them have not, thus far, endeavored to take those things from them. I work to change that, but there's no assurance that I will succeed in doing so; my odds would improve astronomically with more help in changing this sad state of affairs, but it's quite difficult to find that.

There's a difference between the world treating you worse and people generally having negative opinions of you. There are a lot of people who end up like Hitler, in his last moments, without ever having had the same amount of power or having committed the same level of crimes. There are lots of good people who go through life miserable just because they're born poor, or the wrong color, or the wrong nationality. It's simply a fact of the world today, and it won't just be goodness which changes that; it will be ruthlessness to attain a good result for most of the world's people and not just a few.

So I agree with you, to an extent, that people who treat others badly and behave like assholes are often perceived (rightfully!) as assholes, and often come into unnecessary conflict; but the world as it is today also regularly rewards assholes and fails to punish or stop actively evil people and institutions.
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 No.158953

>>158952
This.
Thank you.
As I’ve said before, people don’t really hate Trump. They’re amused by him.
Same for Netanyahu and Biden.

Also, the world doesn’t really reward assholes as much as they just shrug them off.
The only assholes whom are rewarded are those with money, wit, talent, and looks.

Remember it’s about the three B’s: beauty, brains, and brawn.

Depending on how much of a stat level you have in each will determine how the world treats you
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 No.158954

>>158953
>As I’ve said before, people don’t really hate Trump. They’re amused by him.
>Same for Netanyahu and Biden.
No, people hate them. Like they aren't lying when they say that, it's just that, so far, people largely fail to challenge them. It's not because they don't hate them, it's because they have a bunch of money and influence and people are led away from understanding how to collectively fight against rich guys they hate.

>Remember it’s about the three B’s: beauty, brains, and brawn.

Nah, inheriting a bunch of money and land matters more than any of that.
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 No.158955

>>158954
>No, people hate them. Like they aren't lying when they say that, it's just that, so far, people largely fail to challenge them. >It's not because they don't hate them, it's because they have a bunch of money and influence and people are led away from understanding how to collectively fight against rich guys they hate.

There has been assassinations against politicians and pundits.

>Nah, inheriting a bunch of money and land matters more than any of that.


And how does one attain those things?
You’re not just born into it.
Even if you were, you have to have some sort of personal asset to ring to the table to gain favor.

A lot of people who end up with money and property have had some past asset that they maxxed out to get what they want.
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 No.158957

>>158955
>There has been assassinations against politicians and pundits.
Most people who get murdered are not politicians or pundits. The difference is that politicians and pundits have way more protection than poor men do, and there's more of a stigma around killing a politician.

>And how does one attain those things?

>You’re not just born into it.
Yes you are.

Donald Trump inherited a real estate business. Elon Musk is the heir to an apartheid emerald mine. Joe Biden's son Hunter was rich primarily because his father was a well-connected US politician. What the fuck do you think "inheriting" means?

>Even if you were, you have to have some sort of personal asset to ring to the table to gain favor.

No you don't.
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 No.158958

>>158957
>No you don't.
>Yes you are. Donald Trump inherited a real estate business. Elon Musk is the heir to an apartheid emerald mine. Joe Biden's son Hunter was rich primarily because his father was a well-connected US politician. What the fuck do you think "inheriting" means?

And again, someone had to attain it by their own social personal stats so that their posterity can inherit it.
Have you forgotten that wealth isn’t made within one generation?

You’re being willfully ignorant.
Yes, Trump, Musk, and Biden have both used their family ties to attain wealth.

But those guys are high level nepo babies. Most nepo babies have to have at least something to bring to the table to “earn” inheritance.
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 No.158960

>>158958
>And again, someone had to attain it by their own social personal stats so that their posterity can inherit it.
If that someone isn't you, then your personal traits had fuck all to do with attaining it.

>Have you forgotten that wealth isn’t made within one generation?

Wealth is created by labor. It is accrued by capitalists and landlords and their heirs.

>You’re being willfully ignorant.

You're the one who doesn't know what the word "inheritance" means.

>But those guys are high level nepo babies. Most nepo babies have to have at least something to bring to the table to “earn” inheritance.

No they fucking don't lmao

The difference between a nepo baby and anyone else who has the same skills but doesn't have the same accrued wealth is that the nepo baby is born into connections and inheritance. By definition, a nepo baby can be totally mediocre and still have cash and employment opportunities which would be unavailable to someone who was not born with those opportunities offered to them.
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 No.158961

>>158952
OP here, I see your point, but what I think I meant was that if you are a piece of shit you will struggle to fit into any community. If however you're a "good person" which I took to mean you work for your community, then you have a community to rely on in times of trouble.

Rich people are actually the exception to this rule, they are exempt from relying on their social circles because they can buy labor power for themselves.
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 No.158962

>>158960
I’m not gonna bother further elaborate.
You’re being pigheaded.
Wealth isn’t the only immunity pill in this world.
And even if it is, it’s compository, not monolithic.

>>158961
Rich people do have to rely on their own respective communities.
Why else do rich people do contracts with each other all the time?

If rich people could easily fuck off, Donald Trump would never need to sell himself to right wing lobbyists to keep himself afloat.

Elon Musk wouldn’t need to ride Trumps coattails.

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