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 No.160698

i said what i said and some of you clearly don't know this
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 No.160699

>>160698
>typical male
Are these typical males in the room with us right now?
>m*rder, st*lking, ab*se, harrassment, k*lling
Look, the point isn't that women don't experience abuse more often but rather that it doesn't excuse treating men like shit. And it's not even abused women necessarily who do it, feminists do it because it's considered normal, good even.
>misogynists can't be leftists
This ephemeral "leftism" is too broad of a term. I'd rather say that misogynists can't be… decent human beings.
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 No.160701

treating men like shit? i promise "men bad" jokes won't kill you feminism is not your enemy and you let other oppressed groups "hate" their oppressors so idk why women are the only ones that doesn't get that pass
i agree about misogynists not being decent human beings tho
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 No.160703

>>160701
>i promise "men bad" jokes won't kill you
…And? Please, stop being so condescending.
>feminism is not your enemy
Yes. But "feminism" isn't good just because it's "feminism." There are many different feminisms, some better than others, some genuinely suck. If we mean Goldman, Kollontai, Federici, and Butler then yeah. They're based. So what? Nobody fucking reads them anyway. Not even the self-proclaimed "feminists." What we usually get is some form of woke/girlboss/intersectional feminism that's incredibly misandrist, essentialist, reformist, condescending, moralist, and bourgeois.
>you let other oppressed groups "hate" their oppressors so idk why women are the only ones that doesn't get that pass
Capitalism is a structural issue that has material incentives for exploitation. Men just… exist. They are not at fault for some patriarchal asshole abusing his wife and kids, we're not a hivemind. Essentialism bad, full stop. Am I supposed to hate petit bourgeoisie just because they belong to the class of proprietors? I don't think so. Are petit bourgeois unlikely to revolt? Yes. But so are billions of people with bourgeois consciousness.
>i agree about misogynists not being decent human beings tho
Yeah, I wish half of the /R9K/ users was evacuated into a black hole.
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 No.160704

>>160703
>Yeah, I wish half of the /R9K/ users was evacuated into a black hole.
Wow… There you have it. Now who's the fucking psychotic liberal? Fuck you man. I didn't even do anything wrong.
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 No.160705

>>160703 (me)
Yes, patriarchy has material incentives too, BUT:
>men are not a class
>patriarchy is an economic relation that's reinforced by conservative false consciousness, not "masculinity"
Men don't wake up one day and think: "Man, I sure want to oppress women!" Patriarchy is not some way of thinking, it's an economic arrangement that has certain social norms that reinforce that arrangement.
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 No.160706

>>160704
>I didn't even do anything wrong.
I said "half," not "Kill all incels!!!"
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 No.160707

>>160703
i'm sorry if i was mean it just sucks feeling unwelcomed in male dominated online spaces
thanks for being nice btw i was afraid i'd get called names or smth at least
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 No.160708

>>160707
>it just sucks feeling unwelcomed in male dominated online spaces
Ah, I see. Leftychan isn't really a conservative space. I consider myself an anti-idpol progressive, and we have an /lgbt/ board… which gets periodically raided by bigots but still. We'll figure out how to solve the issue, the board is still young.

This is a free speech chan. Which means we have to tolerate transgressions to avoid moderation overreach. I would love to shoot all the bigots into the moon from a giant cannon but I wouldn't risk giving the mods all that power, it usually leads to more censorship. We moved here from .ogre because of mod tyranny to begin with. Also, join our Matrix server.
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 No.160709

>>160698
>misogynists can't be leftists
does that also mean leftists can't be misogynists?
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 No.160710

>>160701
>>160698
This is the typical prog/radlib leftist who downplays/dismisses misandry while calling anything critical of individual women, not as a whole gender, as misogyny.
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 No.160711

>>160698
>misandry doesn’t exist it’s just jokes

Yet radlibs think drawing women in an erotic way is misogynistic
Showing women in a comical way is considered misogynistic
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 No.160712

>>160701
Women get a pass to shit on men alot
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 No.160713

>>160711
>Showing women in a comical way is considered misogynistic
What about when female comedians happen to not be considered funny? Is that also misogynistic even though it's the opposite?
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 No.160715

Minsandry isn't "every time some one is mean to men" Misandry is when a bimbo slut goes off and fucks chad X Y and Z while having an army of simps she has no plans to entertain sexually whatso ever and only use them for material gains.

That is misandry.
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 No.160717

>>160715
It's over…
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 No.160718

>>160717
You're right, the literacy rate globally is abysmally bad from modern highs…
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 No.160722

>>160715
What you’re describing is whoredom not misandry
The bimbo slut in your story would have to seduce men into bed to castrate them to be misandrist
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 No.160723

>>160718
Literacy doesn’t mean cognitive competency
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 No.160724

>>160705
That economic arrangement is just capitalism. There was no feminism movement in the USSR and China, the socialist movement covered that base.
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 No.160725

>>160712
You're right. Two things:

Men aren't affected all that much by this since the average woman has no power over them.

On the other hand social media algorithmically boosts posts that have women hating on men and vice versa, and this serves to further divide the working class.

So men are affected indirectly, are less likely to go out and date, are more likely to become resentful incels, are probably more likely to join the military, and so on.
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 No.160726

>>160715
This, feminism seeks to hold all sub 8 males accountable for the actions of elite Chads. It's a purely liberal ideology, non-materialist and damn near a hate movement. Literally replace 'patriarchy' with 'Jew' and many feminist texts read like the "Protocols of Zion".
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 No.160727

>>160726
All ideologies rare based on indignation.

Idealism begets expectations
Expectations begets entitlement
Entitlement begets indignation
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 No.160728

>>160727
>All ideologies rare based on indignation.
>All ideologies are some permutation of liberalism or based on vibes.
No.
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 No.160732

>>160711
>misandry doesn’t exist it’s just jokes
I think the point the anon makes is that misogyny is real but isn't nearly as dangerous as misogyny. Which is still a flawed logic but for a different reason.
>Yet radlibs think drawing women in an erotic way is misogynistic
>Showing women in a comical way is considered misogynistic
None of it is misogynistic obviously.
>>160715
You use the same logic as the feminists you hate, you're no better.
>>160724
>That economic arrangement is just capitalism.
Well, so is systemic racism. These systems still describe unique manifestations of capitalism that systematically affect certain groups of people, it's still insightful to at least know how they operate.
>There was no feminism movement in the USSR and China, the socialist movement covered that base.
That's not entirely true. There were reformists in favor of female education in the Tsarist Russia, and after that feminism became its own current within the Russian socialist movement rather than being a part of socialism itself (Kollontai, Zetkin, etc.).
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 No.160735

>>160732 (me)
>misogyny is real but isn't nearly as dangerous as misogyny
I wanted to write "misandry is real" but my brain glitched. Dislexia is real but isn't nearly as dangerous as dementia.
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 No.160736

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>>160723
>Sarcasm doesn't mean literally.
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 No.160737

>>160732
>You use the same logic as the feminist you hate….

What does this even mean? Both points of view have logical rationals that any, rational, person would agree with. But the current material state of society is what we find ourselves in today and your lack of any, actually, cogent response, tells me more than anything. Women do not go for sub males. They all strickly aim for the top. Even the ugliest, butter face, fat bitch will always ALWAYS have a dick to fall back on.

Men die, alone and in poverty and no one cares. NO ONE
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 No.160738

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>>160698
truke.
>>160715
"bimbo slut who drains money" is an active agent of patriarchy though, usually middle class white woman who is NOT a friend of worker/lumpen men and worker/lumpen women. also simp-focused streamers, vtumors and middle class hoes with safety net who appropriate sex worker culture are patriarchat striving parasites fall in the same category.
she is not only a "misandrist" but a misogynist as well.
coincidentally i wrote an essay on this topic today, after i flesh it out i might even post it.
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 No.160739

>>160738
*they all fall in the same category
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 No.160741

>>160737
>What does this even mean?
You both view sexualization as misogynist/misandrist, you just apply your moralistic standards to opposite genders.
>Both points of view have logical rationals
They're mostly based on feels and resort to moralizing instead of dismantling oppressive structures and changing material conditions.
>your lack of any, actually, cogent response, tells me more than anything
Your condescending attitude only further proves my point.
>They all strickly aim for the top.
Yes. So do men. Don't pretend that if you had good looks and lots of money you wouldn't aim for the hottest girl in your area. Everyone's so self-righteous because of this internalized Christian morality that they are afraid to appear "shallow" because being "shallow" is considered morally wrong. I just admit that I'll 100% do it. I have nothing to hide, morality is a spook and egoism is the natural state of life, no matter how much you try to hide it under the veneer of ideology.
>[Lumpen] die, alone and in poverty and no one cares. NO ONE
Okay, and?
>>160738
I disagree. I'd rather say they're the agents of capitalism rather than patriarchy. Conservative women fit the latter category way, way better.
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 No.160742

>>160741
>morality is a spook
What about pedophilia?
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 No.160743

>>160742
>What about pedophilia?
Sex is a spook. The real whitepill.
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 No.160744

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>>160741
primarily, it DOES boil down to class struggle, yet patriarchat WORKS IN TANDEM with capitalism. benefits parasitic middle class women stern directly from patriarchate roots as such women's existence is male-centric and all those "men must" is a patriarchate shit as well.
not that all of on recieving end are 'good guys' either, mostly its middle class gnawing on middle class. especially considering the manosphere/incelosphere or whatever it called appeared thanks to them
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 No.160746

>>160744
>primarily, it DOES boil down to class struggle, yet patriarchat WORKS IN TANDEM with capitalism
Patriarchy IS capitalism. It does work in tandem with class exploitation however, that's true.
>benefits parasitic middle class women stern directly from patriarchate roots as such women's existence is male-centric and all those "men must" is a patriarchate shit as well
You are correct but whether that makes them misogynistic is an entirely different question. Patriarchy isn't the same as misogyny. Rather, misogyny exists to justify patriarchy, the same way racialism exists to justify slavery and systemic racism.
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 No.160749

>>160746
>Patriarchy IS capitalism.
No it's not. That's why half the people who voted for Trump were women. And half the people that voted for Palestinian genocide (aka Kamala) were also foids.
>The big bad men made them support bloodthirsty imperialists.
This is why feminism cannot be considered left wing. It is completely anti materialist. You can never critique it because it's proofs are unfalsifiable phantoms.
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 No.160750

>>160749
>That's why half the people who voted for Trump were women. And half the people that voted for Palestinian genocide (aka Kamala) were also foids.
How is it relevant to what I was saying, like, at all?

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