/b/ - Siberia

Why should I?

>>161487
Kurds are one of the largest ethnic groups in the world without their own sovereign country.

Kurds have been around for centuries.

Many modern borders were shaped after World War I, often without fully reflecting ethnic and cultural realities on the ground.

>>161486
Because it's a US/zionist imperial tool and nothing more. The US quite literally operated illegal concentration camps on Syrian land using Kurds as a proxy, and it still uses Kurdish-held territory for US military bases and oil theft.

Kurdish nationalists, like Ukrainian nationalists have been duped by the promises of a lying, genocidal empire which has stabbed them in the back consistently. If they want to be fooled again, then I am not going to be fooled again with them.

>>161488
>Kurds are one of the largest ethnic groups
If that was the reason that "Kurdish sovereignty" was propagandized as an issue to champion in the west, then the US would have to also militarily back indigenous nationstates emerging on its own land and the land of its neighbors. Ethnicity has fuck all to do with it; same with Tibet.

There are tens of thousands of languages, ethnicities, and cultural groups. There's no reason for me to "support" (how?) American imperial operations to "give" every single ethnic, cultural, linguistic, or religious group its own ethnostate, let alone its own ethnostate within someone else's borders. Kurds haven't just been around for centuries; they've been around for longer than that, and they also obviously predate the modern invention of the nation state and have lived in roughly the same region for most of that time without requiring a nation state, nor requiring US or European patronage for such a nation state which was unnecessary and didn't exist.

The best option, by far, for Kurds is to go on with their lives and not take sides with the demonic empire which has brought the greatest amount of genocide and destruction to their region in the present day. The US backed Kurdish rebels in Iraq with one hand while arming Saddam Hussein with chemical weapons to slaughter them with the other. It backed Rojava with one hand while covertly supporting ISIS, HTS, and Al-Nusra with the other. It "supported" the Kurds while also supporting Jolani and looking the other way as he brutally removed the Kurds from an area they held. The US stabs everyone in the back every time; it always lies about supporting "sovereignty." Even the "revolution" in Syria, which disarmed Syria and destroyed the Syrian state and left it in the hands of a zionist-friendly takfiri headchopper was a US machination. Kurds should learn from their own history, and no one else has any excuse not to see through yankee propaganda anymore.

>>161486
You're not a socialist if don't

>>161488
>Kurds are one of the largest ethnic groups in the world without their own sovereign country
dont care, the nation state is a flawed model
>Kurds have been around for centuries
means absolutely nothing
>Many modern borders were shaped after World War I, often without fully reflecting ethnic and cultural realities on the ground
true but ultimately irrelevant for any socialist

i am a kurd btw

>>161489
>Because it's a US/zionist imperial tool and nothing more
this is a complete misunderstanding of how the kurds think
not to say that their thinking is right but this isnt whats going through their heads
they are looking out for themselves first and foremost and will work with anyone towards that end, including russia and china
>The US quite literally operated illegal concentration camps on Syrian land using Kurds as a proxy
>it still uses Kurdish-held territory for US military bases and oil theft
proof?
>Kurdish nationalists, like Ukrainian nationalists have been duped by the promises of a lying, genocidal empire which has stabbed them in the back consistently
you seem to think that nationalists arent aware of the rotten nature of the deals they make
they are, and they just dont care
the idiocy of nationalism is with the nation state itself not with which devil they shake hands with

>>161493
>how the kurds think
Completely irrelevant, you can say exactly the same thing about Ukrainian nationalists.
>proof?
Vidrel.
The US operated an illegal """suspected ISIS family member""" concentration camp (housing people from "16 different countries") on Syrian land using the Kurds as hired prison guards. They operated it right up until, eventually, after ISIS/HTS/Al-Nusra took over the Syrian government with US support, the new US-backed ISIS government kicked the Kurds out and took over control of the """suspected ISIS family member""" concentration camp.
>not with which devil they shake hands with
Except this isn't true at all.
Cuba supported national liberation movements in Africa which were successful and fostered mutual respect. Iran did too with the ANC struggle against apartheid, actually. Cuba's support of Venezuela was mutually beneficial, as was the USSR's support for revolutionary Vietnam.

The US, by stark contrast, has become the world's single biggest superpower through well-established patterns of coercion, betrayal, murder, and exploitation. While it's not, at all, the only country which can be criticized for this (the USSR, despite having mutually beneficial relations with Vietnam, can be criticized for its relations with other countries in some other cases), it is far and away the most consistent and ruthless backstabber, and is by far the most ambitious and greedy empire of the day. There's no guarantee that ascending powers like China won't become like this some day, but today, by comparison, they are much less evil.

On top of all this, the US is nowhere near the region and doesn't suffer at all, or at least not on any comparable scale, for any mass death and destruction that its meddling in the region causes.
This isn't to say that, if someone else were to back the Kurds, that separatism would suddenly be a good idea (it would not), but the US has already stabbed them in the back multiple times. At this point it really seems like part of the reason the Kurds can't do much about who their "benefactor" is is because the US bases are already there and the Kurds couldn't kick them out even if they wanted to do it tomorrow.

>>161494
the point of the fight against imperialism was never to create new nation states but to serve the international unity of all peoples
lenin rejected the league of nations for this very reason

>>161488
>ethnic group
Maybe we should make a nation-state where billionaire pedophiles can rule themselves, since they seem to have a shared set of cultural values. Where should we locate it though?

Anybody know why Kurdistan hasn't taken a page out of Israel's playbook and forced there to be a Kurdistan ethnostate?

>>161631
like with all peoples there are right-wing and left-wing kurds
generally speaking the left-wing currents tend to reject the nation state model, especially nowadays with the changes to the pkk
also kurds dont have the same exact historical traumas that european jews did which caused them to lose their fucking minds

>>161496
>ethnic groups are spooks because it hurts my white identity feelings.
Another person that never actually read Stirner.

>>161631
"israel" could do that thanks to alternating support from the British empire, the Soviets (before they came to their senses), and the USA (where a big zionist businessman reportedly straight-up handed Truman a sack of cash on a train), as well as initial seeding by the Rothschilds (not hyperbole). This all also occurred in a time when open colonialism was less frowned upon - they didn't have to disguise what they were doing at first, and they openly described it as colonialism. South Africa and Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe) and Namibia were under apartheid and white European minority rule, Algeria was still under French control, and in 1948 Britain had only just lost India (and also seen it partitioned) the previous year, etc. Zionism was so entrenched within the Jewish bourgeoisie of Europe and the USA, including "lumpenborgs" like Meyer Lansky (who used his massive fortune from organized crime in the USA to smuggle arms to zionist terrorist groups in Palestine) by 1948 that it amounted to force applied from outside of the land itself. The Kurdish separatists basically only have the Chobani guy on their side, maybe, and maybe not even him, and even he has to kiss zionist ass anyway because they're still overrepresented in financial circles in a way that sincere Kurdish separatists aren't.
That and the addendum that even Kurdish separatists/nationalists don't necessarily want an ethnostate, as pointed out by others.

>>161496
The bottom of the sea.