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 No.1653

Is voting really as big of an inconsequential meme as many people on the far left make it out to be? Wouldn't it be better to vote for someone who is better for my self interests as compared to doing nothing at all? If it doesn't matter then why do people chimp out over who wins or loses anyways?
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 No.1654

>If it doesn't matter then why do people chimp out over who wins or loses anyways?
It matters for the competing strata of the bourgeoisie and professional politicians (themselves a seperate strata if you will). As for ordinary people why do they chimp out over which sports team wins? Why does /leftypol/ chimp out over Western vs Chinese/Russian imperialism? It's the spectacle.
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 No.1655

>Is voting really as big of an inconsequential meme as many people on the far left make it out to be?
It's even worse, because voting does have real consequences: pacification and self-degradation of the voters as well as affirmation of the state.
Voting is a political actions, and any action is carried out with an intend. The intend of the voter is to change the state's policy to one that he percieves as closer to his interest - but the thing is that the state can NEVER act in the real interest of concrete individuals, because that would mean to stop dominating them and the state would cease to be a state.
Ideologically and on a psychological level, voting however IS percieved as a valid and functioning political action, thus those who carry it out experience themselves as politically active, as 'standing up for their interest'. They thusly tend to not engage in any other form of political action, feeling satisfied by this carrying-out of politcal measurement. So, instead of putting their energy into causes that might really change, challenge or subvert the current state and relations, they affirm them - because voting is the base of legtitimacy for democratic states! Voting is presented as this real transformation of political will into political institutions - and if a majority of the population engages with it, a majority of the population signs off on the legtitimacy of statehood.
Only when the population starts disregarding the political events and institutions forming our current relations can we really start attacking them - in any other case those who still vote and still believe in the state will see such attacks as attacks on themselves, as they identify with the notion of a certain party and it's rightful function within a state or maybe even the state itself.
I'm as happy as the next person that Trump got defeated, but on the other hand it was a defeat for every anarchist too, because a huge amount of the US populace signed with their votes also the believe in the legitimacy of the state structure that's ensuring their exploitation and the aggression against so many other countries.
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 No.1658

>>1655
>I'm as happy as the next person that Trump got defeated, but on the other hand it was a defeat for every anarchist too, because a huge amount of the US populace signed with their votes also the believe in the legitimacy of the state structure that's ensuring their exploitation and the aggression against so many other countries.
Well, I don't see why a huge amount of the US populace would like to dissolve their state which provides them with a relatively well off life compared to the rest of the world. As long as shit does not bother them in their backyard, I can see why they want to keep things the way that they are, i.e. US hegemony in world affairs.
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 No.1663

>>1655
>I'm as happy as the next person that Trump got defeated
fuck you i wanted to be able to buy reasonably priced guns again since election season is over, but that wont happen under biden
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 No.1683

>>1663
why?
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 No.1684

>>1663
because he's a democrat and has some gun control plans - whether he implements them or not who knows, but talking about them even is great for the gun industry so maybe thats all that will happen, but either way the price of ammo and guns goes up, especially if they're ones that might go on the chopping block soon, like assault style weapons and large capacity magazines
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 No.1695

>>1684
>caring about prices
>paying for stuff
Toppest of Keks, just steal that shit u basic bishhhhh
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 No.1699

>>1695
this but unironically
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 No.1700

>>1699
I wasn't ironic either
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 No.1706

>>1700
sorry :(
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 No.1723

>>1695
honestly, a good idea i guess
i dont know why i never thought of stealing guns, i guess just because i've only looked into private sales so to me guns just come from random people, forgot there are stores with them

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