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 No.901

When you browse /leftypol/, you often see threads titled something like "Your former ideologies" or "Your history as a leftist", in which anons don't get tired describing their past with spooky shit like 'Leninist', 'ML', 'ANcom', completly abstract words without any meaning, any material force, behind them. Because what really is the material difference between being a leninist and a syndicalist when both have the same amount of revolutionary force behind them: none.
Tankie parties as well as syindicalist unions have failed to organise the working class fo the last half century. Neither have any impact on national politics or the economy. Calling yourself one or the other is mere play-pretend. Anyone with eyes in their heads sees that the modern working class has no interest fighting capitalism through strike and organisation - and that's probably for the best. If any of these modern cults calling themselves leftist parties actually got popular, it would sooner result in another century of authoritarian rule than working class emancipation simply because these revolutionary possessed don't even fight for latter. Their goal is the realisation of a spook, an ideal, like communism or anarchism. It's all meaningless. Neither anarchism nor communism has ever existed - even anarchists and communists will attest this. What they don't understand is that the root of the circumstance is the idea-form of concepts like communism themselves.
Matter and ideas mutually exclusive. They can never be the same. Our view of reality is always subjective, the reality as we experience it isn't the same that materially exists. Our concept of reality doesn't and can't have the same content as reality because if they had, matter and idea were equal. The quality of matter IS it not being ideal, therefore this is impossible.
Leftists think themselves communism or anarchism like this or that, imagine themselves solutions to fictional problems of how to run economies that will never exist. Not because conditions that can be described as communism or anarchism will never exist, but because if they exist, they will exist materially and therefore have no connection to how their believers imagine them. Marx's analysis of many aspects of capitalism are quite good, but they don't describe the material existence of capitalism, not in the 19th century and even less now. It works with ideas, abstractions of the material conditions, and it has to because you literally can't grasp the material.
Another problem with the left is believing in the revolutionary character of the proletariat. Let's be real: the working class is not revolutionary - and I mean this in 2 ways. First, as I described before, they don't care about communism. Mostly they don't care about politics, at least not in the sense that they wanna get active within in, more in a spectacle kind of way. What they care about is their live as they experience it, so to most in the west, they kinda feel like their work sucks but it could be worse. Revolution is not on their minds, and 40 years of agitation by communists and anarchists hasn't changed that. Second, most workers today simply CAN'T be revolutionary, even if they wanted to. The proletariat is supposed to be the revolutionary subject due to their relation to production, that they are necessary for and and thus through strike have the power to hold capitalism. Obviously, with todays western working class consisting mostly of service rather than industrial work, only a minority is even in a position to force anything by strike, let alone make the system collapse.
But even though the working class has consistently ignored communists and anachists, there have consistently been communists and anarchists organising in their small clubs talking about the coming revolution that never came. But how is that? Why are they still investing their energy in this ineffective task? Because it gives some weirdos, who are nobodies in every other relation, power over a group of other weirdos. Leftist parties have long started to reproduce capitalism: people who are socio-economicly off well enough to invest alot of their time into revolutionary larping command workers and minorities (the few that show up) to protest, distribute leaflets or knock on doors, which are all acts with the goal of further accumulation.

If capitalism will be abolished, itll happen in the centres of industrial production through the people working there acting in their savage self interest, not because political hobbyists try to realise some fantasy of theirs. You are better of investing your time and energy in yourself dealing with capitalist relations than wasting your time on those nerds.
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 No.903

our saviour
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 No.904

you're just preaching to the choir here m8
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 No.912

I don't want capitalist relations though
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 No.918

>>901
>Fuck communists AND anarchists
Based anti-sectarian thread
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 No.941

So you are the /leftypol/ exiles, eh?
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 No.946

>>901
Shut the fuck, burn-out.
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 No.947

>>946
Burn out police stations, not yourself!
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 No.955

>>901
fine take. Very M. Dupont/Tiqqun. The left as we know it is indeed too obsessed with identity and theory and ignores the blunt/'immediate' force required to effect change. I'm very glad to see everyone on this board and that we're still here on this site. May 2021 be the year of the un/dead/.
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 No.959

>>901
the problem is that we're completely fucked if no revolutionary alternative is possible. the idea behind most anarchos and commies is not that now is a particularly revolutionary moment (though if compared with the 00's it certainly is), hell, there were all those narodnik idiots that tried to convince russian peasants in 1870 that revolution was a good idea and got completely fucked, so it's not like you choose the moment you're born - you gotta struggle because it's what gotta be done.

otherwise we're so damn fucked that anarchists and communists will become irrelevant because most humans will be dead from climate change war famine etc
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 No.961

>>959
it has been too late to stop climate change for a while now
also
>revolution
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 No.962

>>961
being too late to stop doesn't mean ignoring it and stepping on the gas till we get the worst possible outcome

yeah, i sympathize with hopelessness, but fuck, even if it fizzles all over there were more than 100 days of protests straight in the USA, that shows that shit is definitely different from before, even if doesn't mean this hellscape will be saved
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 No.964

>>962
>more than 100 days of protests straight in the USA, that shows that shit is definitely different from before
Something has changed: more people are being suckered into the endless slog that is the political game.
Any growth in people peacefully assembling along the states rules are just affirmations of the legitimacy of state authority. It's not "let's get rid of the state", it's "hey state you are supposed to act differently so please hear our lawful gestures". The police stations were burned after the cops left. The chaz was given up without resistence as soon as the cops showed up again. It's all just gestures and symbolism. Abstract language to communicate with an abstract being.
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 No.965

>>964
i mean you can't expect people that loved cops to suddenly literally just kill them and abolish the state or something, things take time, but fuck normie idiots now know that like the police is not sacred anymore which is a big change

consciousness develops in the moment, it doesn't exist previously and then is acted upon
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 No.991

>>964
>Thinking people aren’t fighting the state out of respect rather than fear
&ltForgetting US cops have the express permission to kill proles with impunity if they really want to and all the proles know this
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 No.1021

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>>961
give proofs please
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 No.1022

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 No.1052

>>1022
seems like they really only cite one source for the claim that climate change is too late to act on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0T9drfdkBsA

but yeah the whole thing… i dont know if its really too late to try and preserve wilderness in a way that doesnt assume our eventual loss, but idk… smth ill take time to come to terms with, been thinking about this shit recently apart from re-reading Desert too
I think the biggest argument is just that we're too weak to be effective in bringing down the forces that are fucking the world, and i do agree with that mostly (im still not totally pessimistic okay, i think it could be possible to burden the whole system so much that extractive projects pull out of an area because its not profitable/a drain to stay. Sadly i dont think nerds like derrick jensen and uncle ted are wrong about hitting choke points… there's so much value to be extracted here, there are always other localities to bail out temporarily fucked places :()
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 No.1295

So you do not believe in Materialism and Economic Determinism?
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 No.1296

I would like to ask, how do we explain the continuous rise of reactionary forces among the working class and the takeover of fascist forces among the industrialized societies? Aren't they based on pure Idealism for example, National Socialism?

Marx predicted that the industrialized societies will be the first hubs of revolution, as well as the assumed that the proletariat will lead us to the overthrow of Capital. Both never happened, and it certainly doesn't look to be the case anytime soon as reactionary elements are on a constant rise.
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 No.1300

>>1295
>So you do not believe
No, I don't believe. I know they are methods of analysis with limited potential, but 'believing in them' is the wrong way of categorising them to begin with.

>>1296
>I would like to ask, how do we explain the continuous rise of reactionary forces among the working class and the takeover of fascist forces among the industrialized societies?
ppl be spooged.
I don't think there is only explanation that would sufficently describe 19th-century national socialism and or modern day chuds, cause they arose in different situations.
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 No.1557

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I actually realized that I don't want to work at all, and would like to live as an Illegalist, will the reds and blacks hunt me down after the revolution?
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 No.1558

>>1557
>after the revolution
i wouldn't worry about that lol
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 No.1564

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>>1557
Nah hunting you down would be lots of work and I don't want to work either.
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 No.2172

bump
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 No.2173

Late to the party, but extremely well put, OP. You put into words what I have been slowly realizing over the past year–all this political LARPing is a complete waste of time.
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 No.2174

>>1557
lol dude I told the leaders of the communist party in my country to fuck off when they asked me to stop smoking weed and left the party in the middle of a dictatorship a few decades ago and literally nothing happened to me

stop reading too much fanfiction, weeblord
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 No.2175

also op is a faggot neopositivist, sad to see this becoming more prevalent lately!
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 No.2178

>>2175
>neopositivist
whats that uwu?
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 No.2243

>ideologies are retarded anyways here's my retarded ideology but it doesn't have a name so it's epic

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