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 No.11431

You know, looking back at the split cycles and looking back at how insane the jannies at org are currently what does chan think of the possibility that leftypol.org was the target of CIA/FBI infiltration / divide and conquer? I mean, look, we know the FBI intentionally will go after hacker forums like Raid Forums who are doing grey market shit, but, I don't think it's beyond rationality to think that a website as HUGE and influential as bunkerchan was during its heyday from being targeted by the Feds. In-fact, I would say it makes perfect sense.
Look at the current state of org and tell me it's not glowing brighter than the surface of the sun. I think it makes perfect sense that the FBI would want to get something like org under control and foreign agencies have already targeted us in the past.
So what do you think anons? Fact or fiction?
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 No.11432

Nope. Just tankies devolving into the same shit as always.
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 No.11433

>>11431
There are fissures in the left, and splits can happen organically, but it's certainly possible that there was glow-shit-fuckery going on to pry open one of those fissures.

Sectarian screeching like anon One1432 certainly isn't helping either.
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 No.11434

>>11432
Most of the leftychan founders were tankies. It was the ogre mods who were the socdems/anarchists.

>>11433
The split wasn't about political ideology. It was about whether leftypol should maintain chan culture, as well as the level of influence mods should have over how the site is run.
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 No.11435

>>11433
Is it really sectarianism to observe that this happens to literally every "ML" community? I mean, these people have gotten to the point of crying about space lasers and muh Daddy Trump. If they are infiltrated, it has certainly become self-sustaining.
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 No.11436

I think a lot of seemingly self-destructive behavior among left organizations is an ambiguous combination of both intentional undermining and attraction to the cause of well-meaning individuals with horrible personalities that should never be anywhere near power. That ambiguity is probably exactly one of the goals of spook agencies–keeping leftists paralyzed by fear at times because they're so paranoid about whom they can trust.

However, we shouldn't let this distract from the real lesson of previous failed web communities. The real lesson is this: the top-down manner in which web forums are traditionally administrated and controlled is naturally unaccountable and inherently presents a small point of failure that can destroy a community when a web owner/web admin/mod turns on their community and can't be removed and replaced. We need better structures that can empower the posters.
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 No.11437

>>11434
>The split wasn't about political ideology. It was about whether leftypol should maintain chan culture, as well as the level of influence mods should have over how the site is run.

Would you say that leftychan remained "politically incorrect", while org didn't ?

>>11435
>Is it really sectarianism
yes, spamming the T-slur is childish and mildly irritating.

>space lasers
I would say that the probability for that one is somewhat low because the technical challenges are significant, but it's intellectually dishonest to dismiss the possibility, after-all the US sends a lot of classified satellites into orbit.

>muh Daddy Trump
The legal proceedings against him are clearly politically motivated. That's a sign of a deteriorating society regardless who it affects.
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 No.11438

>>11431
I know that there was this feeling, being on the org team when we were together, that there is a group of people who actually always get their way, and everyone else who's frustrated by that. The way the team actually made decisions wasn't democratic, even down to how votes were being acted upon or not.

This is essentially what started the split: turbojanitor, comatoast left and zul was about to be kicked out.

I don't have any evidence of them being actual feds, but I also feel they act against things that potentially could have reached a wider audience and made a wider impact. I think someone else noted this too, that any thread that gets close to something actionable is removed.
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 No.11439

>>11437
>Would you say that leftychan remained "politically incorrect", while org didn't ?
Broadly speaking, yes.
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 No.11440

occam's razor

you don't need any fed infiltration for modocracy to destroy to destroy a chan

FUCK JANNIES! I HATE YOU!
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 No.11441

>>11437
>yes, spamming the T-slur
Lol, it's not a slur to describe tankies as tankies.
>I would say that the probability for that one is somewhat low because the technical challenges are significant, but it's intellectually dishonest to dismiss the possibility
No, not really. There is no evidence for it, and all said "evidence" shows a fundamental misunderstanding of basic physics.
>The legal proceedings against him are clearly politically motivated.
And yet are completely valid. Thanks for playing, tankie.
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 No.11442

>>11432
This
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 No.11443

fuck tankoids

"muh sectarians" zigger can suck on my balls

we've being sectarian not on some petty issues, but on a FUNDAMENTAL issues, that people could kill for
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 No.11444

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>>11443
>>11443
I would not go so far as to kill an online tankie, but the disagreement is fundamental. The main difference between .ogre and .net is the allowable variance in opinions. Ogre has devolved into an authoritarian shithole, and .net has not. This is why we get .ogre posters come here demanding that x or y be banned, and that such and such is a Nazi/CIA/etc. This is the typical playbook of spewing bullshit in the hope some of it sticks. It happens to everyone community these authoritarian "leftists"(Read: fascists) get their hands on. Ogre isn't some CIA ploy or anything like that. Those posters are pathetic idiots who have failed at everything in life. There is no threat to anyone from them. Pic related: typical .ogre poster.
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 No.11445

>>11443
You need to go outside and have sex NOW!
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 No.11446

>>11445
Just had sex. Still agree with him on the Zigger problem. TZD is the only solution.
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 No.11447

>>11445
>>11446
Also, you should not be having sex outside. That is illegal in most places. You can also get things stuck where they shouldn't be, like sand, which I hate.
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 No.11448

>>11441
>it's not a slur, because i say so.
incurable
You can't have your which-hunt, the dark ages are over.
>There is no evidence
there were strange anomalies in the Haiti fires, it's intellectually dishonest to ignore that.
>politically motivated legal proceedings are completely valid.
No, everybody has to be treated the same by the law.
If there's political motivations driving legal processes that means justice isn't blind.
Consider that if Trump committed crimes, but his legal prosecution is prejudiced, that means he goes unpunished because of legal technicalities.
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 No.11449

>>11448
>You can't have your which-hunt,
It's not a witch hunt. If you like authoritarian sites, ho to .ogre, where everyone already agrees with you or is banned.
>there were strange anomalies in the Haiti fires
There aren't. The only people saying this are faggots without expertise on the matter.
>No, everybody has to be treated the same by the law.
I'm glad you agree. Trump broke several laws and now he's being prosecuted. You can stop crying about your daddy now.
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 No.11450

>>11443
>>11444
This is tribal in-group out-group behavior. You should have grown out of this phase between the age of 15-19 years old.

Are you a teenager, or did you get mentally stuck or something ?
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 No.11451

>>11448
>Consider that if Trump committed crimes, but his legal prosecution is prejudiced, that means he goes unpunished because of legal technicalities.
Oh, I almost forgot to respond to this retarded series of digital diarrhea. Can you name said legal technicalities? Can you tell everyone here about your complete ignorance on prosecutorial discretion? I think we would all enjoy that.
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 No.11452

>>11450
Disliking authoritarians isn't about othering them. We have fundamental differences that cannot be reconciled. They can always stop being cunts.
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 No.11453

>>11449
>It's not a witch hunt.
Of course it is.
>go where everyone already agrees with you or is banned.
I don't care if you disagree with me, after-all i like to argue, your problem is that you're not arguing, you're just trying to which-hunt people who disagree with you.
>the strange anomalies in the Haiti fires can be dismissed because it's not the expert-authority-discourse
You're treating experts like they were high-priests in a theocracy, science isn't a cathedral where only those that studied the holy texts can speak. You have to explain the weird shit, why are there towns completely burned down to ashes, except for trees standing right next to burned down houses. How does that work, how do trees survive inside such a raging inferno ?
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 No.11454

>>11452
>Disliking authoritarians isn't about othering them.
Still tribal discourse, rhetorically demarcating in-group and out-groups.

>We have fundamental differences that cannot be reconciled.
Probably true, but that doesn't justify your tribal behavior.
People aren't their opinions, you can reject somebody's opinion without having to reject the person holding the opinion. Why do i have to explain howto human101 to you ?
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 No.11455

>>11434
>Most of the leftychan founders were tankies. It was the ogre mods who were the socdems/anarchists.
They're all tankies, .ogres mods are histrionic troons and queers. That's the difference.
I'm not saying that to be edgy, the .ogres are absolutely tormented by gender issues and BPD. It's insane how personally they the discourse on their backwater site that even /pol/ has forgotten about.
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 No.11456

>>11451
>>11449
>I'm glad you agree. Trump broke several laws and now he's being prosecuted. You can stop crying about your daddy now.

The legal proceedings against trump are lawfare, the goal is not to prosecute and convict him for crimes, the purpose is to use the legal process itself to force him out of politics. The people doing this do not care whether Trump gets convicted or all the cases against him get thrown out because they put the thumb on the scale, as long as it serves their objective of levering him out of the political process. If you genuinely care about justice, you do not have common cause with these people.
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 No.11457

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>>11437
>muh Daddy Trump
>>The legal proceedings against him are clearly politically motivated. That's a sign of a deteriorating society regardless who it affects.
You have to go back.
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 No.11458

>>11453
>Of course it is.
Are you being banned? Persecuted? No.
>I don't care if you disagree with me, after-all i like to argue, your problem is that you're not arguing,
I have, and I argue that someone so touchy about the word tankie is himself a tankie.
>You're treating experts like they were high-priests
No, I treat them as someone who might know something I don't. Mechanics will tell you not to put antifreeze in your engine oil. Should they be ignored or do you think they might know something you don't? You are not only not a subject-matter expert in any field. You seem to be ignorant of even the basics. Why should anyone listen to you over an expert? That is the question you must answer.
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 No.11459

>>11448
Shut up tankie
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 No.11460

>>11454
>Still tribal discourse, rhetorically demarcating in-group and out-groups.
Well, how would you like tankies to be described? Authoritarian leftists? Red fascists? Or should I ask them if they supported driving tanks into Hungary?
>Probably true, but that doesn't justify your tribal behavior.
Well, I say that it isn't tribal behavior, and calling me Tribalistic is a slur. What do you have to say for yourself and your divisive rhetoric?
>you can reject somebody's opinion without having to reject the person holding the opinion.
Okay, from now on I'll just say that they have tankie opinions. I am now calling the opinions bad.
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 No.11461

>>11459
Are the tankies in the room with you now, anon?
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 No.11462

>>11456
>The legal proceedings against trump are lawfare,
Call it what you want. They are valid and legal.
>the goal is not to prosecute and convict him for crimes, the purpose is to use the legal process itself to force him out of politics.
Yes, because he committed crimes, and I have no problem with him being out of politics. I'm not a fascist.
>If you genuinely care about justice, you do not have common cause with these people.
They seem to have a legal justification, so what are you on about? I would have thought Communists of all people should want to see an American president behind bars.
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 No.11463

>>11458
>calling somebody the T-slur is an argument
it's not, calling others names, isn't the same as arguing a point

>No, I treat them as someone who might know something I don't. Mechanics will tell you not to put antifreeze in your engine oil. Should they be ignored or do you think they might know something you don't?
This is an argument from authority fallacy.

The reason not to mix antifreeze and engine oil is because:
<When antifreeze mixes with engine oil, it reduces the oil viscosity and lubricating power, resulting in loss of engine power and lubrication, leading to engine damage. The chemicals in antifreeze are harsh to internal engine components like for example bearings, causing wear and damage over time if repeatedly exposed.
Not because St.Mechanicus said so. You seem to lack any concept for the possibility that phenomena can be explained and understood.

>Dodging the request for an explanation of the strange phenomena in Haiti-fires with an ad-hominem-fallacy
You can either explain the weird shit that people have documented or admit that you can't just dismiss this out of hand.
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 No.11464

>>11463
>>11463
>calling somebody the T-slur is an argument
it's not, calling others names, isn't the same as arguing a point
Great job arguing with yourself, dipshit. Unfortunately, I never said that. Next time you tey to lecture someone on argumentation, try not to use a blatant straw man.
>This is an argument from authority fallacy.
Wrong again, faggot. A fallacious argument from authority would be to say that the President told me so. It is not fallacious to quote a subject-matter expert on his field of expertise. Do you ask your doctor to present arguments for his diagnosis? You're an absolute dumbfuck, you know that?
>The reason not to mix antifreeze and engine oil is because
Assuming you didn't know that, are you going to have an argument with a mechanic? The answer is no, because you don't know shit.
>Not because St.Mechanicus said so. You seem to lack any concept for the possibility that phenomena can be explained and understood.
Oh, but I do. The problem is that people like you do not know anything about what you argue, and it's quite obvious.
>You can either explain the weird shit that people have documented or admit that you can't just dismiss this out of hand.
There's nothing weird about it. You don't understand how fires work. That's the simplest explanation.
Vid related. It's what you look like.
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 No.11465

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>>11438
Discomrade?
Is that you?
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 No.11466

>>11462
>I would have thought Communists of all people should want to see an American president behind bars.
Trump won't go to prison, he's got enough money to stretch out litigation until he died of old age. There isn't going to be any surplus enjoyment.
Communists also don't think US presidents steer the US empire, even if you put every US president behind bars, the people principally responsible for all the heinous crimes of empire would still have gotten away with it.

He isn't in legal trouble because of crimes. Every US president is guilty in that regard. The ruling class in the US wants Trump out because he sometimes says the quite part out-loud. Like his Tweet about Syria that said "We kept the oil !" He's embarrassing them and contradicting the American exceptionalism narrative about bombing for "freedom and democracy with rainbow-flags".
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 No.11467

>>11466
>Trump won't go to prison, he's got enough money to stretch out litigation until he died of old age.
Not really. This is what his supporters are precisely worried about, though.
>Communists also don't think US presidents steer the US empire
Then most Communists must be really stupid if they don't think the chief executive has any power. Thankfully you're just making shit up again.
>He isn't in legal trouble because of crimes
Then explain his criminal prosecutions. He's recorded confessing to one of them, kek.
>The ruling class in the US wants Trump
Trump is a billionaire capitalist. He is part of that ruling class. He's not your friend.
>Like his Tweet about Syria that said "We kept the oil !"
But the US never did that. Nice try.
>He's embarrassing them and contradicting the American exceptionalism narrative about bombing for "freedom and democracy with rainbow-flags".
Embarrassing them in front of who?
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 No.11469

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Took less than a minute to be banned for this. Apparently I hit a nerve.

Imagine being some faggot transhumanistjannie that says up in the middle of the night to ban people from an online echobox where the only permissible dialogue revolves around broadcasting how mentally ill and socially maladjusted you are.
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 No.11470

>>11450
>This is tribal in-group out-group behavior.
"tribal" is when the differences are not ideological and political, but purely competitive, faggot

we have political differences that I would kill you for, it's that simple
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 No.11471

Also, the compromising "let's all live in peace!" is the biggest faggotry of all

Si vis pacem, para bellum, faggot
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 No.11472

>>11470
>we have political differences that I would kill you for
that is, if we're actually in a political struggle for state power

and that's how it should be, your
ideals of unity inspired by the parliamentary coalitions are for limpdick faggots

real political process cannot be anything but bloody
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 No.11474

>>11465
No lol
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 No.11475

>>11465
that's a man
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 No.11476

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The only reason ogre gets most of the traffic is because they kept the old URL, not because it's somehow better moderated or that the userbase agrees with the split.
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 No.11478

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>>11431

It's a picture where, you know, the more I look at it… the less I understand it. I don't really assume good faith in the .org staff anymore - honestly, the coup against Bunkerchan should have ended any good faith I had, but I still bit for a while.

It's entirely possible that .org is feds. It's possible they're /pol/. It's possible they're some other far-right group. It's possible that they're /r/socialism trying to get revenge (though I doubt they'd even be competent enough to pull it off), it's possible that it's a bunch of narcissists off twitter or reddit or closed fbi.gov groups. It's possible it's foreign spooks, although I kind of doubt this. It's possible that it's just a bunch of sadists.

I can only say that they are not sincere. I can say with confidence that it's not a tankie freakout - original BO had tankie freakouts, and those were shit but they were at least ideologically coherent, and they were bad but considerably milder than this current stuff. I don't know specifically what their deal is, and I don't personally expect to ever know conclusively.
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 No.11497

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>>11452
>supports an armed revolution to subjugate the ruling class, aka authority, and establish control over a given territory, aka authority
>is against "authoritarianism"
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 No.11498

>>11497
if workers have authority then…
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 No.11499

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>>11497
>"Ha! You're for making it illegal to do things like murder. That requires authority. Therefore there is no difference between that and making it illegal to post a funny picture online!"
You're a fucking idiot.
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 No.11500

>>11499
>outlawing racism is… le bad
western leftist crackers love muh freeze peach
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 No.11501

>>11500
Go back faggot. Pasquale is waiting for you to service his girldick
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 No.11503

>Well, how would you like tankies to be described? Authoritarian leftists? Red fascists?

"Red fascists" just screams "i'm a neo-liberal"
"Tankie" is now a word that the pseudo left calls anybody on the actual left

"authoritarian" isn't a political position.

You can use state authority to enforce freedom of expression, you can also use it to trample on freedom of expression. You can use state authority to enforce good labor conditions, or you can use it to force people to work in appalling conditions.

Do you understand the concept here, "Authoritarian" does not describe an interest group, it's not really a political expression.
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 No.11504

>>11500
>China banned Pooh because racism
Kek, that's a new excuse.
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 No.11505

>>11503
>You can use state authority to enforce freedom of expression,
That's not what authoritarian means. It means centralized power and authority that restricts personal freedoms, but you knew that already.
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 No.11506

>>11505
>That's not what authoritarian means.
Why should we play this positional game of shifting word definitions ?

Why shouldn't we outright state that we would like to use coercive state power to create a information space that enables free expression. This action will be liberating for all the people that get free-speech but it will be restraining for all those that wish to interfere with free-speech. For those it will feel like getting "authoritarinized".

>It means centralized power and authority that restricts personal freedoms, but you knew that already.
Free speech and expression came out of the enlightenment, and it used centralized state power to smash the censorious theocratic institutions.

All that said freedom of expression can also be implemented by decentralized or distributed structures. Doing it this way probably has advantages. Maybe structural solutions are more enduring. But it seems dishonest to pretend that you can't use the state for this as well, when historically that was the case.

Imagine we could access state resources to developed and implement distributed information technology. Censorship would be in the dustbin of history in 2-3 years.
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 No.11507

>>11506
That sure is a lot of words that don't address the central issue. You are not in favor of free expression. You wouldn't cry about being called a tankie otherwise. You simp for authoritarian governments. This is why we hate you. This is why we will fight you. This is why you are a fascist.
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 No.11508

>>11507
>if you're in favor of free expression then you don't care what people call you
Ok then you child molesting transsexual uyghur.
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 No.11509

>>11507
>the central issue.
That i don't subscribe to your simplistic black and white world view.
>This is why we hate
>This is why we fight
>This is why we dehumanize
Yup that's what black and white thinking does to you.

>authoritarian governments
All governments are based on authority, what matters is whose interests and rights it enforces.

>being called a tankie
I'm opposed to sectarianism.

>You are not in favor of free expression.
I guess it's inconvenient for you to imagine that we could agree on free expression, while you are trying to paint me as the great satan.
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 No.11510

>>11509
>>11509
>I guess it's inconvenient for you to imagine that we could agree on free expression,
We don't. This is no different from a Nazi that cries about freedom of expression with the entire goal of censoring others. You're not fooling anyone.
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 No.11511

>>11510
>I make wild unfounded accusations, but that's ok as long as i dehumanize you enough.
We agree on upholding freedom of expression, but disagree on other matters. If you'd be a sane person we might even be able to cooperate in those matters we have common cause.
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 No.11512

>>11510
Retarded faggot. The jannies (God bless them) are letting you display your ignorance here.

Take your fat ass over to leftypol.net and try the same thing. Watch your milquetoast PragerU hot takes get deleted in a microsecond.

As an aside, as much as I think the average poster here is naive/delusional, they are much more pleasant to interact with and traffic far fewer strawmen than your sheltered know-it-all autism.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, fat people (70% of Amerikwans) don't deserve human rights. Freedom of speech on for people competent enough to control what goes into their mouths.
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 No.11513

>>11511
You mocked the idea of being anti-authoritarian. You're backpedaling, like a bitch, because you know you've been caught out. We fundamentally disagree. Go simp for your dictators, faggot.
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 No.11514

>>11513
The autism is strong with this one
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 No.11521

Are we being gaslit by a psyop lately? Seeing a huge amount of clueless, deranged posts that argue from some kind of straw man of leftist politics or loaded questions. It was annoying enough when it was just Eugenics-kun, but at least you could spot his posts a mile away and ignore them. The whole thing feels like some kind of attempt to suppress discussion, in the sense of who the hell wants to engage with this crap? I enjoy sparring with idiots who are wrong about things, but not when it feels like I'm part of a psyop, wasting my fucking time engaging with an opponent who might as well be a language model.

What's going on here?
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 No.11522

>>11520
>This place isn't dead or an echobox. Is it a psyop?
You guys are hopeless
>..suppress discussion
Aww yes. The robust discussion that was occuring here. I forgot about how bustling with vibrant, diverse discuss this place was 2 weeks ago. The half dozen threads about leftypol and blackpill samefagging was truly inspiring and thought provoking
>People who I can't convince to agree with me must be bots
You really are dim
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 No.11523

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You know, looking back at the split cycles and looking back at how insane the jannies at org are currently what does chan think of the possibility that leftypol.org was the target of CIA/FBI infiltration / divide and conquer? I mean, look, we know the FBI intentionally will go after hacker forums like Raid Forums who are doing grey market shit, but, I don't think it's beyond rationality to think that a website as HUGE and influential as bunkerchan was during its heyday from being targeted by the Feds. In-fact, I would say it makes perfect sense.
Look at the current state of org and tell me it's not glowing brighter than the surface of the sun. I think it makes perfect sense that the FBI would want to get something like org under control and foreign agencies have already targeted us in the past.
So what do you think anons? Fact or fiction?
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 No.11524

>>11521
>Are we being gaslit by a psyop lately?
no clue, it sometimes feels like all of ruling ideology is a psyop. And politically unconscious people repeating it reflected can sometimes appear to be glowies when they regurgitate ruling ideology.

>Seeing a huge amount of clueless, deranged posts that argue from some kind of straw man of leftist politics or loaded questions.
I sometimes check posts with an AI detector, and i got a positive for "AI detected". This is the first time a post didn't pass those detectors. Mind you the possibility for false positives. It could be just one guy using one of those AI websites, reposting AI replies.

>it feels like I'm part of a psyop, wasting my fucking time engaging with an opponent who might as well be a language model.
>What's going on here?

Yeah it's hard to say. Some people predict that eventually everybody will deploy a LLM and then all communication online will just be robots talking to each other. Others predict that once enough robots generated text gets posted online it will feed back into the LLMs and that degrade the quality until they just spit out gibberish.
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 No.11525

>>11523
Yes divide and conquer is something the glowies do, however there also are plenty of organic wreckers. Not every split in the left is a glowie op.

Honestly it probably doesn't really matter which it is. The quest to create a mass-movement requires creating social structures that don't fall apart regardless what the causes for division are.

That said we probably do need theory about glowie-action, how the deep state works etc. I don't know maybe we're all wrong about the nature of ideological struggle. It might be that in current conditions, the best strategy isn't to promote your ideology but instead to bastardize and muddle opposing ideologies.
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 No.11539

>>11523
The mods became very cliquey leading up to the split. There already were factions that caused people to quit: turbojanitor and comatoast straight up left .org because we would have countless multi-day arguments that went nowhere. Once coma left, things got really heated in the chatroom and sage had an idea to open up direction of the board to our users, to bring them on into a congress. That chatroom was the internet equivalent of a war zone, it was the only way anyone saw to stop this.

Zul pulls sage into the mod chat, which btw isn't a big deal since the privileges on the room are set to "you can only see history since you have joined", and immediately a motion to get Zul demodded begins and is expidited via some technicality in the rules so that the vote doesn't last as long as every other decision did. Obviously "they" use the fact that zul pulled someone into the super secret mod room, but that person was Sage and Sage wasn't some outsider but a prolific poster and was active in the matrix chat. They were known, they were cool.

This basically was the moment the site split. I messaged coma and zul and we made a new staff room. I wanted to freeze the other moderators accounts and have a discussion about democratically running the site but they didn't even entertain the idea of talking, they basically went for the split, immediately securing the .org domain name and starting the process. There was no talking stage with us.

This tells me that their so-called "modocracy" was never democratic. Whether of not this is because any of them were feds I can't show, but if you ignore the actual split and look at how things were run, you see that there were clearly ideas that got fast-tracked and ideas that were shut-down and that wasn't the result of some open process.
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 No.11540

>>11539
What exactly are the qualifications of being a .ogre mod?

Having a tons of free time and strong opinions?

What could go wrong!
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 No.11543

>>11540
>What exactly are the qualifications of being a .ogre mod?
I don't know. I helped them move pictures from one booru to another, and then they wanted me to move the whole site off bunkerchan. Which I did.

>Having a tons of free time and strong opinions?
I guess I disagree with the having strong opinions part. Also there may be more things idk.
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 No.11544

>>11524
>AI detector
Link? If we run the board's content through it how high would the false-postiive rate be? I mean if we assume we "know" that every post isn't AI - say if we ran the content from a few years ago through it where AI wasn't so mature?
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 No.11545

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>>11539
>They were known, they were cool.
Sorry but obnoxious tripfag attention whores will never be cool.
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 No.11546

>>11544
From what I understand, the new LLMs are beyond being detected. Likewise, you can pass AI generated text through another modifying program to make it harder to detect.

There is a whole industry around this for copywriters, since clearly AI generated text gets deranked in Google search algorithms.

But the stuff that sounds like it's spoken from either a cowboy or an obnoxious stoned hippie was certainly AI generated
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 No.11547

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Feds are clearly targeting this website as well, just look at this shit.
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 No.11548

>>11547
Could be glowies, but it could also be second hand glow.
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 No.11549

>>11547
Hopefully just retards from other corners of the web and not a full psyop. They're just being contrarian. I hope.
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 No.11550

>>11547
Still more sane than ziggers.

Keep crying about muh glows just as your """leftist""" mouthpieces like Hinkle and Caleb openly take Kremlin money.
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 No.11552

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>>11550
Understood, officer.
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 No.11569

>>11509
>I'm opposed to sectarianism!
Yet you shill for psychotic sectarian mass murderers you retarded fag
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 No.11570

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>>11569
We're having a Stalin debate ?

Well for the material conditions that existed in early 20 century Russia, Stalin was a very progressive figure.

You are either concern-trolling because you want to enforce the political spectrum that is acceptable in ruling ideology. Or you have limited conceptual thinking and can't look at history within historic context.

Lets be clear the only reason why Stalin gets so much shit in ruling ideology is because he stepped on the toes of imperial capitalism. There's still capitalists that are mad about the Soviets for getting rid of child-labor, for implementing 8h work days, for universal health-care and universal literacy programs. They hate the Soviets for being an example of decency that ruined the respectability of the harsher methods of exploitation.

Child labor laws are under attack in states across the country
<Amid increasing child labor violations, lawmakers must act to strengthen standards
<What this report finds: States across the country are attempting to weaken child labor protections, just as violations of these standards are rising. This report identifies bills weakening child labor standards in 10 states that have been introduced or passed in the past two years alone.
https://www.epi.org/publication/child-labor-laws-under-attack/

The Growth of Incarceration in the United States: Exploring Causes and Consequences
<the rate of imprisonment in the United States more than quadrupled during the last four decades. The U.S. penal population of 2.2 million adults is by far the largest in the world. Just under one-quarter of the world's prisoners are held in American prisons.
https://nicic.gov/resources/nic-library/all-library-items/growth-incarceration-united-states-exploring-causes-and

Capitalism simply is too brutal and unethical, Stalin has to be upheld as long as there are people trying to reverse progress.
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 No.11571

>>11570
I don't give a fuck about your idol you fatherless child
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 No.11572

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>>11571
>I'm out of arguments
lol
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 No.11573

>>11552
>Waaaah only American Imperialism is bad!
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 No.11574

>>11572
>t. future Republican
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 No.11575

>>11574
What's the distinction between the two major political bourgeois parties in the US ?
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 No.11577

Real talk tho: eugene's mentally ill ravings are every bit as bad as large language model spam (assuming they aren't a language model themselves). Giant walls of text that you immediately ignore that sometimes cause you accidentally associate them with posters who aren't mentally ill by accident. Why would anyone want to start up a sincere discussion looking for intelligent input when the first thing they'll receive is a schizo diatribe? It's very demoralizing.
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 No.11621

At one point, I believe that the O9A had somebody on the mod team of org. There was a huge O9A thread going, and when I made an on-topic reply in a different thread pointing out how it was consistent with O9A tactics employed in other boards (like the old fascism board on 8chan), that post got deleted and I got a temporary ban (which was successfully appealed). The O9A was started by a former member of Column 88, which was itself part of Operation Gladio. I'm not making a hard claim that Myatt glows in the dark, but it wouldn't surprise me; even if he did, that wouldn't mean the randos infiltrating fringe chans for the cause also glow.
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 No.11623

>>11621
>>11622
2 posts are identical
yet one is a reply to the other roughly 7h apart
how did that happen ?
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 No.11624

>>11621
>>11623
I made the first one, don't see the second one. My guess is that somebody was trying to reply to me, only got as far as pasting the original message (and not to the point of cutting it into quotes), accidentally hit reply, and a jannie scrubbed the useless post inbetween you complaining and me seeing your complaint, but IDK.
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 No.11633

>>11621
This shit forum has been crawling with Satanist influencers since day 1. They steer the conversation more than most places.

You all are part of a psyop, and you're so fucktarded that you believe this is all there is. Even basic concepts of something different are no longer admissible in this hellhole.
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 No.11634

>>11621
I remember that. The O9A "general" on org with some poster talking to himself was just another strange episode in a long list of strange episodes on org.
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 No.11635

>>11634
Oh yeah I remember that. He posted a tranifesto using a password protected full metal alchemist tranime password protection. Fucking disgusting Nazi anti-human pedos. They all deserve to be thrown in a pit like the waste they are.
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 No.11636

>>11635
Yeah, what looked suspicious is that the mods allowed those threads to go on for like several weeks before they started to remove them, everyone could tell there was some deliberate shilling going on in them.
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 No.11804

While it's likely there is some fuckery, I think it's more the case this is what happens when you let mentally ill, ultra-thin skinned, Idpol/Tumblr obsessed trains into mod positions. Their politics is first and foremost about signalling how "radical" and woke they are and upholding every retarded piece of LGBTQZGDRPGFPS+-+# radlib-ism even if it goes directly against working class agendas or Dialectical Materialist analysis. The amount of times i've copped a ban, for holding the word for word exact same position as pretty much every relevant Marxist through history, lmao.
Like what even is the point of .org? It's literally identical to every "leftwing" reddit sub where you can't critique any fad lib ass position the radlibs have decided is a shibboleth.
This is why Leftist orgs and communities need to engage in serious gatekeeping against crazies, especially of the BPD/NPD variety, becaue as soon as they grab an ounce of power they use it to force out anybody that even questions their retarded positions becaue of their thin skinned narcissistic insanity.
>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32614222/
Reminder that Narcissists and BPDs are literally attracted like flies to rotting meat to left wing spaces that don't gatekeep.
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 No.11812

>>11804
<We investigate the consequences and predictors of emitting signals of victimhood and virtue. In our first three studies, we show that the virtuous victim signal can facilitate nonreciprocal resource transfer from others to the signaler. Next, we develop and validate a victim signaling scale that we combine with an established measure of virtue signaling to operationalize the virtuous victim construct. We show that individuals with Dark Triad traits-Machiavellianism, Narcissism, Psychopathy-more frequently signal virtuous victimhood, controlling for demographic and socioeconomic variables that are commonly associated with victimization in Western societies. In Study 5, we show that a specific dimension of Machiavellianism-amoral manipulation-and a form of narcissism that reflects a person's belief in their superior prosociality predict more frequent virtuous victim signaling. Studies 3, 4, and 6 test our hypothesis that the frequency of emitting virtuous victim signal predicts a person's willingness to engage in and endorse ethically questionable behaviors,
Sound like a reasonable analysis

<such as lying to earn a bonus, intention to purchase counterfeit products and moral judgments of counterfeiters, and making exaggerated claims about being harmed in an organizational context.
How is
>intention to purchase counterfeit products
considered as
<ethically questionable behaviors

LOL did they just try to sneak in copy-monopoly ideology into psychological research.

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