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when are we getting a reticulum mirror?

>>11957
I could set that up if you like, it seems doable.

I have some questions though:
- what are the main benefits? It seems like it's an alternate routing protocol for internet, but it's still built on top of the internet so what's the point?
- how many people would use it? Would you yourself daily drive it?
- how do you connect to a site on the yggdrasil network? For i2p I use chrome with a socks proxy to my i2pd router running locally, for tor I use tor-browser. What's the equivalent for ygg?
- Can you connect from Android?
- Why does i2pd have configuration options for yggdrasil? How do they work together?

what even is it? like what is the ygdrasil network?ive heard of it before but i have never really understood what it is. how is it different than i2p? is the fact its ipv6 only what makes it different?topologically it seems no different than i2p.

>>11959
Yggdrasil currently heavily relies on the internet, however it doesn't have to; Yggdrasil is a mesh network and it can make connections over WiFi, Bluetooth or even packet radio, and the internet is just one of them. The point of Yggdrasil is to have a completely decentralized network that works with any existing ipv6 compatible program by having "hidden service" addresses as ipv6 addresses.
Once you set up the program on your computer from https://yggdrasil-network.github.io/ Yggdrasil will mount itself as a network interface on your computer and any program like a web browser, torrenting software, or even i2pd can connect to nodes over Yggdrasil without even knowing it's Yggdrasil. However, Yggdrasil isn't actually anonymous, and it simply routes any packet over the shortest path it finds, but the main advantage is that it doesn't rely on any centralized companies like IANA or ICANN.

>>11961
How do you configure peers?

>>11962
read the documentation on the website

>>11963
The information at this url was helpful, thank you: https://publicpeers.neilalexander.dev/

But I am still skeptical.

>Yggdrasil is a mesh network and it can make connections over WiFi, Bluetooth or even packet radio, and the internet is just one of them.

The Internet can also go over any medium and it is also resilient to topological changes. The Internet Protocol fully does this. You can have internet over copper wire, laser point to point systems, satellite radio waves, microwave 3g/4g/5g radio, carrier pidgeons, and any other way you can think of, you can have an underwater based connection to the internet if you use speakers and microphones if you wanted. Additionally the routing of ip protocol is meant to reroute if a router goes down, the same way as yaggrasil. So why not just have your devices configured with IP over X, instead of IP over yaggdrasil which abstracts over X.

It seems to solve the same kind of stuff that internet already solves beautifully. Internet is agnostic with respect to the physical medium.

>it doesn't rely on any centralized companies like IANA or ICANN.
In the case of ICANN the internet doesn't rely on this either. You can already fully type in the IP address of a computer without a domain name and get the page it is serving. Yaggdrasil doesn't provide DNS either. You would need a separate DNS service (I see there's a blockchain based one) to have leftychan.ygg for example. But if we are to connect directly with an ip address we don't need DNS, so that's not a point for Yaggdrasil if it's just an alternate routing protocol.

The encryption is nice but we have encryption on top of IP via TLS which prevents any sort of man-in-the-middle attacks and I trust that a lot more than a new protocol.

So TL;DR what can we do with this that the internet doesn't already do?

>>11964

>The Internet can also go over any medium and it is also resilient to topological changes.
On the clasical internet if your ISP goes down, your entire internet does. ISPs can also be main points of censorship, and they collect your data. On Yggdrasil, it is a mesh network, meaning every node can also accept connections over any medium it wishes and route more traffic.
Look at China or Russia. They censored almost all of the biggest internet websites, and to access them you need to use a VPN. Yggdrasil doesn't have this issue, because as long as you can make one connection over any medium to the outside world (like for example over packet radio), you can access the outside net.

>Yaggdrasil doesn't provide DNS either.
Most people don't actually even use any DNS with yggdrasil, but there are a few classical DNS providers that simply serve domain names, but the system is decentralized because there is no one single registry, and anyone can make their own.

>The encryption is nice but we have encryption on top of IP via TLS which prevents any sort of man-in-the-middle attacks and I trust that a lot more than a new protocol.
Yggdrasil encrypts EVERY connection, unlike the classical internet, which can only ever encrypt if you have a domain name, which up the line you got from ICANN. This is possible because your address is a hash of your public key. This way there is (practically) only one public key for each address, and you don't have to rely on companies to assign them.

>>11965
wait, so, i can use ygggdrasil if my internet goes down??

>>11966
If you have another connection to another peer (over a direct Ethernet connection, WiFi, packet radio, or any other medium), then yes, you can, and packet radio isn't very difficult to set up.

>>11965
If I understand this right and it's the same as reticulum: This is good if you are building a physical alternative to the internet, but what is the point of running yggdrasil (or reticulum) over TCP/IP if we already have I2P?

>>11968

>If I understand this right and it's the same as reticulum
Reticulum has its own network stack, with its own protocols, different addresses, and so on. Yggdrasil on the other hand uses the existing TCP/IP stack with ipv6, so that any existing application compatible with ipv6 can connect over Yggdrasil.

>what is the point of running yggdrasil (or reticulum) over TCP/IP if we already have I2P?
I2p is unstably slow compared to Yggdrasil, and i2p can natively only connect over the regular internet, meaning if the regular internet goes down, i2p does too. Yggdrasil on the other hand can peer over many different mediums making it much more resistant to censorship, and a much better mesh network.