No.1015
One thing I've noticed, but have not, in my few searches, found many conclusive answers to, is why exactly various Fascist movements and factions choose certain symbols to represent them, so I thought I'd start a thread to see if I could get some conclusive answers. Particularly the old religious symbols - presumably these are intended to have and convey some particular meaning, but what exactly, and how do Fascists come to the decision to use these particular symbols as their own?
One which I've wondered about in particular is the sun cross - this one has shown up a lot… from the logo of the Norwegian Nazi Party (Nasjonal Samling) and the SS, to Ukraine's Centuria group, to battalions of the IOF. I was also reminded the other day that it has usage in Gnosticism. What does it mean and symbolize within Gnosticism, and what motivates Fascists, seemingly from multiple religious and national backgrounds, to keep adopting it?
A similar question goes for the swastika - why did the Nazis choose to use this specific old religious symbol as the insignia of their German state? Beyond just being Fascist iconography, what does the black sun mean to Fascists, what does it symbolize? There are some symbols, like the Totenkopf (whose usage preceded the rise of the Nazis), where the significance is much more obvious, but I'm really curious to understand the more esoteric symbols.
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No.1042
Fascist symbols have absolute no meaning. They are just attempt at market logos.
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No.1046
>>1015Isn't that obvious? Fascists are like these LARPers who OBSESS over their nation's history: its symbols, its flags, its religious traditions, everything. It only makes sense for them to use pagan symbols as signifiers for their VOLK.
Basically, don't jerk off to history books so much your dick falls off. And traditionalism is reactionary and should burn in a fire
FUCK TRADITION FUCK TRADITION FUCK TRADITION FUCK TRADITION!! >>
No.1047
>>1046 (me)
If you wanna know the origins of all this backwards Nazi bullshit, I recommend you to read about the Volkisch movement.
https://polcompball.wiki/Volkism >>
No.1079
>>1046Traditionalism doesn’t even respect actual history. It only prefers a romanticized application of ethnogeographic history
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No.1081
>>1046>It only makes sense for them to use pagan symbols as signifiers for their VOLKI mean, gnosticism isn't pagan, but ok. Maybe there was a pre-Christian tradition that the Norwegian Nazis drew the image from (
while editing this reply, I looked to see if there was another explanation for Norway, and apparently it's associated with Patron Saint of Norway Olaf Haraldsson, actually), but how do you explain
the IOF using it? They're neither gnostic nor pagan.
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No.1082
Weren’t swastikas very common symbols in Europe before World War Two? And aren’t they based on Hindu/Buddhist symbols?
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No.1149
I think it's something similar to the primitivism Achille Mbembe points to. Fascist nihilism needs to rescue itself in some form of legitimation, so it looks for old symbols in its own pagan history.
When empires didn't need God to exist. The thing here is to replace the legitimation from God by some legacy/history legitimation through european pagan symbols, imo.
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No.1150
>>1149>I think it's something similar to the primitivism Achille Mbembe points to.More on this?
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No.1151
>>1015simple designs for simple minds
an attempt to capture the past
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No.1153
>>1046It's always fuck traditionalism until it's some brown couple, or, some chinese shit, right?
Then you are an advat traditonalist.
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No.1154
No offense, but some white culture seems like it's just hipster stuff, obscurity for the sake of obscurity.
What's wrong with Christmas?
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No.1155
>>1154>What's wrong with Christmas?Haha. It's almost a global holiday at this point. My protestant great grandparents didn't celebrate it since it was seen as a Catholic Holiday but my Irish foster father came from people who drank after midnight Mass. The Hollywood made it famous and the government made it a holiday.
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No.1156
>>1154>>1155What does Christmas have to do with anything?
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No.1157
>>1153>It's always fuck traditionalismNo, only like 2 anons have said that or something approximate itt.
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No.1158
>>1156The question was what's "wrong wrong" with it. I don't see a problem with it. It's a holiday.
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No.1160
>>1158Who said there was anything wrong with it?
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No.1161
>>1160Haha
Idk, here's the original question
>>1154It looks like a random joke
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No.1162
>>1153What about when Irish culture got shitted on by the English? What about white on white crime?
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No.1164
>>1162This has nothing to do with what I was talking about, but, ok. Tf is your point? Europeans kill each other all the time so do people all over the world. The fact is that society has gone to shit; Not totally impart because of lack of traditional values, but, familial relations in white majority societies, we must go back.