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 No.370

What is the Marxist/materialist understanding of Buddhism? Have Marxists ever made an attempt to codify the tenants of Buddhism? I am unsure if Buddhism is to idealistic to even work with in the frame work of Marxism.

I kind of take after Zezik anyways that ideology is a trashcan for us to plunder. I think Marx had the most influential thoughts and ideals but I think we can also implement stoicism and Buddhism into our every day lives to help us with the current moment.

Stoics believed not in giving up everything but being un swayed by fickle actions that do not effect the greater good of society. Such as gossip. I think this fits into the narrative of Marxism but Buddhism takes it further. I think that Buddhist are right too. Like Marxists, but, they are in the other direction. Philosophically there are a couple ways to escape suffering. You can do as Marx advocated and change the material reality. You can envelope yourself in philosophy and science. Or you can do as Buddhists advocate and let go of everything worldly and impermanent. Now I ilagree with both Marx and Buddhism here but I am curious of how I can incorporate Buddhism and some of the teachings with out giving up my beliefs that the world can be a better place. I guess I kind of answered my own question but I am more seeking advice as to how.
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 No.371

>>370
>What is the Marxist/materialist understanding of Buddhism?
It was used to justify caste systems so expect the ideological content to be very reactionary.
You can do the meditation praxis, that's supposedly very good if you remove all the idealist content, and treat it as a breathing and concentration exercise

>Philosophically there are a couple ways to escape suffering. You can do as Marx advocated and change the material reality. You can envelope yourself in philosophy and science. Or you can do as Buddhists advocate and let go of everything worldly and impermanent.


No that is wrong, suffering can only be ended by changing material conditions. The rest is just rich people telling poor people they can be happy without stuff, and they will get justice in the next life. And that's a lie, the only life you get is your worldly existence.
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 No.372

>>371
>>371
I mean, yeah, I understand the nature of the Stoic and Eastern philosphies to justify caste syste,s and slavery and shit, but, can't we take it apart and use what we can to help us at least suffer less under capitalism while also utilizing materialism and class awareness to over throw the chains of capital all together?
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 No.380

>>370
>What is the Marxist/materialist understanding of Buddhism?
An high quality sophisticated level of cope.
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 No.381

>>371
Tfw you talk about things you know nothing about
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 No.382

>>372
I dunno about eastern philosophies but Stoicism ended up in nihilism.
If you read Marcus Aurelius - nothing matters, humans are miserable pitiful worms, dust in the wind, everything you hold dear doesn't matter. But you still keep on grinding, keep on hustling, because """virtues"""
It's actually funny how Marcus relapses into this nihilism periodically.
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 No.383

>>382
Does anything matter though?
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 No.384

>>383
that's the funny part
nothing matters but you still need to keep on slaving away, paying debts, respecting your patrons, and in general be a good virtuous citizen worthy of your ancestors.. even tho they don't matter lol

And you don't even have the luxury of an afterlife, because there is no such thing! No wonder this shit got btfod by Christianity.
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 No.385

>>384
Also explains why SJWism and egalitarian psuedoleftism takes on the characteristics of a religion.
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 No.386

If you take after Zizek then you should be able to recall Zizek's criticisms of Buddhism, but I don't recall him ever praising any aspects of it.
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 No.387

>>382
>>384
It's been a while since I read Meditations, but that wasn't my reading at all:

While recognizing some fundamental realities, most meaning is ascribed by people, often in a way that doesn't serve their own long term happiness or well being. The task then becomes to discard with useless, contrived meaning and replace with with a sense of meaning(s) that does serve to facilitate a life worth living. This often requires foregoing pleasure and ignoring the petty opinions of others. In a sense, because 'nothing matters,' everything matters.

It also worth nothing that Meditations wasn't a book meant of to published, but a diary.
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 No.388

>>370
its idealistic, the absolute is conceptualized as a state rather than a being
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 No.389

>>371
buddhism doesnt uphold caste
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 No.394

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>>389
Yeah, there's a reason a lot of lower caste Hindus convert to it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalit_Buddhist_movement
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navayana

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