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 No.79

http://www.notbored.org/commentaires.html
> The highest point has without doubt been reached by the Chinese bureaucracy's laughable fake of the great statues of the industrial army of the First Emperor, which so many visiting statesmen have been taken to admire in situ. Since one could mock them so cruelly, this thus proves that in all the masses of their advisors, there was not a single individual who knew the history of art, in China or anywhere else.
Is Debord right to claim that the terracotta army is a fake?

Apparently there's some other French guys who agrees: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Terracotta_Army/Archive_1#The_statues_are_a_fake
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 No.80

More from Debord:
> Nothing has better shown at which point taste and knowledge have both disappeared, along with the senses of the improbable and the ridiculous, than the clumsy archeological-cultural imposture of this century, which (it seems) people still laugh at and which its principal dupes prefer to believe has been forgotten without any other explanation. Around 1980, one was ecstatic about an army of statues of thousands of soldiers and horses, a little larger than life-size, that the Chinese claimed to have discovered in 1974 and that were supposed to have been buried with Emperor Tsin Che Hoang Ti [Qin Shinuangdi] twenty-two centuries ago.[12] Hundreds of newspapers and dozens of publishers swallowed the bait and the line, and – guaranteed, moreover, by the enthusiasm of the aforementioned Valery Giscard – this treasure was displayed in many great cities of Europe. Inevitably, subaltern doubts about whether these traveling marvels were the originals, as had been affirmed by the neo-Maoist government, or copies, as it was forced to admit later on. Here, the formula of Feuerbach, which already said that his times preferred the copy to the original, was quite surpassed by progress, since these were copies of originals that had never existed. With a single glance at the first photos of the "excavation," one could only laugh at the imprudence of the Chinese bureaucrats, who so shamelessly took foreigners to be cretins. But still more extravagant than all of these absolute improbabilities was the fact – easily discernible from the images of the soldiers' heads (all of which were strongly similar) – that nowhere and at no moment in the history of the world were such figures produced in molded forms, that is, not before the first third of our century (in fact, they were fabricated in the last years of Mao's reign to be an abundant and miraculous discovery that compensated for all that had been destroyed during the insanity of the pseudo-"cultural revolution"). To compose the poor, basic forms of these gigantic marionettes, one needed to already have the die-casting capabilities of the factories of the early 20th century; the paintings of [Paul] Gauguin, which had relatively recently traced a new artistic figure of the exotic in Western art; and, finally and especially, Stalinist and Nazi statuary – which were the same things – , which had existed since the 1930s.
http://www.notbored.org/debord-4May1986.html
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 No.81

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 No.82

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>>79
I don't think so, because if this terracotta army had been produced during the time of the cultural revolution it would have the particular radioactive signature of the atomic tests that were being conducted during that time. If any scientist for example did a carbon dating test on any of those figures it would be blatantly obvious.
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 No.99

Normally I agree with Debord but I think he's wrong on this one. Why is it so hard to believe that a megalomaniac with thousands of slaves could produce this? It's not really that much stranger than what we find in ancient egypt.

Also I saw it when it was on tour at my local museum and it was really cool bwahahaha
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 No.101

>>99
Nothing. Debord based his claim on art history. But I don't know anything about art history, and searching for Chinese sculpture always brings up the terracotta army.
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 No.135

You have to remember debord was a giant lib
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 No.148

>>135
That's not true.
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 No.152

>>148
He was my entry into Marxism and I have a lot of sympathy for autonomism and such but ultimately he was part of the new left
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 No.153

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>>135
>>152
Not that any of this is related to the OP, but I call bullshit. Debord was a straight up council communist and you are more lib than he ever was with your naive support for reformist one-issue unions and other such dead-end democratism.
I dare you to cite one single quote from SoTS or any of his other works that would situate him in the same milieu as the opportunist "new left", or just admit that you're talking out of your ass.

As for OP: I really don't see how the CPC would gain anything by flouting muh culture and traditions like this when these statues would have had to be in production during those proudest of times when they still had at least some pretensions for making rupture with the decrepit old world.
I wonder what Vienet has to say about it now that he's long established as one of the world's foremost Sinologists.
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 No.208

>>82
>atomic tests
lmao I don't know if the soldiers are fake, but atom bombs definitely are.
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 No.209

>>148
>equating communism with nazism
>not a lib
go back to your mom's ballsack and die.

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