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 No.12106

https://a-z.ru/women/texts/zalkinr.htm
Залкинд А. Б. Двенадцать половых заповедей революционного пролетариата

(Russian link, painstakingly translated with free DeepL in 2023)





Family, Family Planning.
Zalkind A. B. The Twelve Sexual Commandments of the Revolutionary Proletariat // Philosophy of Love. In 2 vols. 2. M., Politizdat, 1990. С. 224-255.



Zalkind A. B.

The Twelve Commandments of the Revolutionary Proletariat

Collectivism, organization, activism, dialectical materialism - these are the four main powerful pillars underpinning the building of proletarian ethics which is now under construction, these are the four criteria by which one can always see whether one or another action is expedient from the point of view of the interests of the revolutionary proletariat. Everything that contributes to the development of the revolutionary, collectivist feelings and actions of the workers, everything that best promotes the planned organization of the proletarian economy and the planned organization of discipline within the proletariat, everything that increases the revolutionary fighting ability of the proletariat, its flexibility, Everything that removes the mystical, religious film from the eyes and brain of the workers, that increases their scientific knowledge, their materialist acuteness of analysis of life,-all this is moral and ethical from the standpoint of the interests of the developing proletarian revolution, all this must be welcomed, cultivated by all means.

On the contrary, everything that contributes to the individualistic isolation of the workers, everything that brings disorder into the economic organization of the proletariat, everything that develops class cowardice, confusion, stupidity, everything that fosters superstition and ignorance among the workers,-all this is immoral, criminal, such behavior must be ruthlessly pursued by the proletariat.

Hence, a critique of the individual rules of bourgeois ethics now becomes available to us. We can replace any rule of behavior of exploitative ethics with a very concrete, practical consideration aimed at the protection of the class interests of the proletariat…

… "Thou shalt not create adultery" - to this commandment some of our youth have tried to contrast another formula - "sexual life is everyone's private affair," "love is free" - but this formula is wrong, too. The sanctimonious prohibitions on sexual life, insincerely imposed by the bourgeoisie, are, of course, ridiculous, because they presuppose some sinful beginning in sexual life. Our point of view, on the other hand, can only be revolutionary-class, strictly businesslike. If this or that sexuality helps to separate a person from his class, reduces the sharpness of his scientific (i.e., materialistic) curiosity, deprives him of a portion of the productive-creative capacity for labor that the class requires, and lowers his fighting qualities, then fuck him. Sexuality is permissible only in that content which promotes the growth of collectivist feelings, class organization, production-creative, militant activity, acuteness of knowledge (these are the principles on which the sexual norms given by the author in the article below are built), etc., etc.

From these examples, we see that an organized, active and materialistically-conscious collectivism is the moral touchstone on which we can unmistakably test the revolutionary sharpness and class correctness of one or another of our actions. Our entire life, our entire way of life, must be based on these principles.

…Every area of proletarian class behavior must be based on the principle of revolutionary expediency in working out its norms. Since the proletariat and the masses of workers attached to it economically constitute the overwhelming part of humanity, revolutionary expediency is thereby also the best biological expediency, the greatest biological good (as we shall see below).

Consequently, the proletariat has every reason to intervene in the chaotic unfolding of modern man's sexual life. Being now in the stage of initial socialist accumulation, in a period of pre-socialist, transitional, heroic poverty, the working class must be extremely calculating in the use of its energy, must be frugal, even stingy when it comes to saving strength in the name of increasing the fighting fund. Therefore, it will not permit itself the unbridled drain of energetic wealth that characterizes the sexual life of modern bourgeois society, with its early excitement and licentiousness of sexual manifestations, with its fragmentation, its atomization of sexual feeling, with its insatiable irritability and excited weakness, with its frantic flitting between eroticism and sensuality, with its crude intervention of sexual relations in intimate intra-class relations.

The proletariat replaces chaos with organization in the field of economics, elements of systematic expedient organization it will bring to modern sexual chaos as well.

Sexuality for the creation of healthy revolutionary class progeny, for the correct, combative use of all the energetic wealth of man, for the revolutionary and expedient organization of his pleasures, for the combative formation of intra-class relations - this is the proletariat's approach to the sexual question.

Sex as an integral part of the proletariat's other martial arsenal - this is the only possible working class perspective on the question of sex now: all the social and biological assets of the revolutionary proletariat are now its martial arsenal.

Hence: all those elements of sexuality which are harmful to the creation of a healthy revolutionary shift, which rob class energy, which fester class joys, which spoil intra-class relations, must be ruthlessly swept away from class life, swept away with all the more implacability that sexuality is a habitual, sophisticated diplomat, cunningly creeping into the smallest cracks - of assent, weakness, short-sightedness.

I. There must be no too early development of sexuality among the proletariat-the first sexual commandment of the revolutionary working class.

The communist children's movement, seizing all children's interests from an early age into its mainstream, creating the best conditions for the development of children's independence, for children's physical self-healing, for the bright flowering of inquisitive, social, adventure-heroic aspirations, confines all children's attention to itself and does not allow the parasitic spider of early sexual excitement to appear.

There is physiological training, and combat training, and bright class ideology, and early equal camaraderie between the different sexes - premature sexual development has nothing to grow on under such conditions. Therefore, the first task of the proletariat is to prevent early infantile

We shall direct parents and schools to the necessity of a correct approach to the social and biological interests of the child, we shall assist in this approach and expend all our energy as a class in the organization of the mass communist children's movement and its introduction into all corners of children's and school and family life. The sanitation of child sex life will make the now so difficult struggle against the sexual confusion of adulthood unnecessary in the future.

II. Sexual abstinence before marriage is necessary, and marriage only at full social and biological maturity (i.e., 20-25 years of age) is the second sexual commandment of the proletariat.

And what is harmful, they will tell us, in sexual activity before marriage? What is harmful is that such sexual activity is unorganized, connected with a casual sexual object, unregulated by a lasting sympathy between partners, subject to the most superficial excitements, that is, characterized by precisely those traits which, as we shall see below, must be unconditionally and ruthlessly eradicated by the proletariat in its environment. This kind of chaotically developed sexual content is never limited to the narrow sphere of purely sexual existence, but impudently invades all other areas of human creativity as well, stealing them with impunity. Is this permissible in terms of revolutionary expediency?

III. Sexual intercourse is only as the final consummation of deep, comprehensive sympathy and affection for the object of sexual love.

Purely physical sexual desire is unacceptable from a revolutionary proletarian point of view. What distinguishes man from all other animals is that all of his physiological functions are imbued with a psychic, i.e. social, content. Sexual desire for an object which is morally repugnant, dishonorable, hostile to the class is just as perverse as human sexual desire for a crocodile or an orangutan. The sex drive of a properly developing cultured man absorbs a mass of valuable elements from the life around him and becomes inseparable from them. If one is attracted to intercourse, it must mean that the object of sexual attraction is also attracted to other aspects of his being, not only the width of his shoulders or hips.

In fact, what would happen if the sexual partner were a class-ideally deeply alien person? First, of course, it would be an unorganized, extramarital affair, driven by superficial sensual sexual excitement (only people who are oriented toward a long life together enter into marriage, i.e. secondly, it would be sexual desire in its roughest form, not moderated by feelings of sympathy and tenderness, not regulated by anything social: such an attraction would stir up the basest sides of the human psyche, would give them full scope; thirdly, the child who might nevertheless appear, despite all preventive measures, would have parents deeply alien to one another and would find himself divided, split mentally from an early age; Fourthly, this connection would distract from creative work, for, built on purely sensual lust, it would depend on accidental causes, on minor fluctuations in the moods of the partners, and, satisfying without any creative effort it would greatly depreciate the very meaning of creative effort-it would rob creativity of one of its major exciters, to say nothing of the fact that the great frequency of sexual acts in such a connection, unmoderated by moral motives, would also to a large extent deplete the brain energy that should go to social, scientific, and other creativity.

Such sexual behavior is certainly out of the way with revolutionary expediency.

IV. The sexual act must be only the final link in the chain of deep and complex experiences that bind the lovers at the moment.

It is not only a "simple attraction" to the act of intercourse: it is to be preceded by a heightened feeling of all-round intimacy, deep ideological and moral fusion, a complex deep mutual impregnation, the physiological completion of which can only be the act of intercourse. The social, the class ahead of the animal, not vice versa.

The presence of this social, moral, psychological premise of the sexual act will lead to the most valuable results: first, the sexual act would become much rarer, which, on the one hand, would increase its content, the joyous saturation it gives, on the other hand, would prove to be a major saving in the general chemistry, leaving to creativity a considerable amount of unspent energy; Secondly, such sexual acts would not separate, as is usually the case with frequent sensual closeness, up to disgust for each other (Tolstoy gives a brilliant, quite realistically correct illustration of this in his "Kreutzer Sonata"), but would bring them even deeper, even stronger; Thirdly, "this kind of sexual intercourse would not oppose the creative process, but would coexist harmoniously alongside it, nourishing it and feeding it with added joy (meanwhile, the hunger sensual intercourse steals also the very creative mood, withdrawing from creativity's subjective fund almost all its emotional material, almost all its "passion", for quite a long period, emptying, depleting, "creative fantasy; this refers, as we see, not only to the chemistry of creativity, but also to its mechanics).

V. The sexual act must not be repeated often.

This is already sufficiently evident from the above points. However, the motives of the fifth "commandment" are not exhausted.

There is every scientific reason to claim that really deep love is characterized by infrequent sexual intercourse (although infrequent sexual intercourse itself does not always mean deep love: sexual indifference may be hidden under it). In deep real love, the formalized sexual desire matures as the final stage of the whole series of rich, complicated experiences of mutual intimacy preceding it, and such processes proceed, of course, for a long time, requiring for themselves a large quantity of nourishing material.

VI. Do not change the sexual object frequently. Less sexual variety.

VI. Do not change the sexual object frequently. Less sexual variety.

If the above points are fulfilled, this "commandment" will not be necessary, but it should still be substantiated.

a) the search of a new sexual, love partner is a very difficult care, which takes away from creative aspirations a large part of their emotional power; b) even when finding this new partner a whole series of experiences, efforts, new skills for comprehensive adaptation to it are required, which is just as a robbery of other creative-class forces; c) when conquering a new love object it is sometimes required an intense struggle not only with it, but also with another "conqueror" - a struggle that has quite a distinct sexual character and coloring

VII. Love must be monogamous, monoandrous (one wife, one husband).

This is clearly evident from all of the above, but, in order to avoid misunderstandings, we must nevertheless emphasize this point.

It may be pointed out to us that it is possible to observe all these rules when there are two wives or husbands. "Ideal intimacy, infrequent sexual intercourse, and other directives are also compatible with being twice-married, twice-married." "Well, imagine that one wife (husband) makes up for in me ideologically and sexually what is lacking in the other (other); one cannot find in one person the full embodiment of the love ideal." Such considerations are too transparent a stretch. The love life of the two-woman(s) is extremely complicated, captures too many areas, energy, time, special interest, requires too many special adaptations, no doubt increases the number of sexual acts, to the same extent the class creative activity loses in the corresponding area, because the sum of forces diverted toward an inordinately complicated sex life, even in the most brilliant state of the latter, will never pay off with a creative effect. Creativity under such conditions always loses rather than wins, and moreover loses not only quantitatively, but also in a gross distortion of its quality, since it will be continuously burdened by an excessive and special sexual, love" interest.

VIII. In every sexual act one must always be mindful of the possibility of conceiving a child, and generally mindful of offspring.

No prophylactic remedy, except the grossly harmful ones, guarantees fully against possible pregnancy - and abortions are extremely harmful for women - and therefore the intercourse should catch both spouses in a state of full biological and moral well-being, since the indisposition of one of the parents at the time of gestation seriously affects the child's body. The same consideration, of course, once and for all excludes the use of prostitution, since the possibility of contracting a venereal disease is the most terrible threat both to the biological heredity of the offspring and to the health of the mother.

IX. Sexual selection must be along the lines of class, revolutionary-proletarian expediency. Elements of flirtation, courtship, coquetry, and other methods of specifically sexual conquest must not be introduced into love relationships.

Sexuality is seen by the class as a social function and not as a narrowly personal one, and therefore it is social, class virtues, and not specific physiological-sex lures, which are in the vast majority either a relic of our pre-cultural condition or developed as a result of the rotten effects of exploitative living conditions, that should attract and win in love life. The sex drive itself is biologically strong enough that there is no need to excite it with additional special methods.

Since the revolutionary class, which saves all of mankind from destruction, has exclusively eugenic tasks in its sexual life, that is, the task of the revolutionary-communist recovery of mankind through progeny, obviously it is not those traits of class-less "beauty," "femininity," and grossly "muscular" and "mustached" masculinity, which have little place and are of little use under the conditions of industrialized, intellectualized, socialized humanity, that should reveal themselves as the strongest sexual stimuli.

The modern human fighter must be distinguished by a subtle and precise intellectual apparatus, a great deal of social flexibility and sensitivity, class courage and firmness, whether male or female. The powerless, fragile "femininity," which is the product of thousands of years of servitude to women and at the same time the only supplier of material for coquetry and flirtation; Just as the "mustachioed," "muscular-boned" masculinity, more necessary for a professional loader or a knight of the pre-armed period than for the dodgy and technically educated modern revolutionary,-all these traits, of course, correspond minimally to the needs of revolution and revolutionary sexual selection. The notion of beauty and health is now being radically reconsidered by the fighting class in terms of class expediency, and the class-futile so-called "beauty" and the so-called "strength" of the exploitative period of human history will inevitably be pulverized by bodily combinations of the best revolutionary device, the most productive revolutionary expediency.

It is not without reason that the ideals of beauty and power differ deeply in various social strata, and that the aesthetics of the bourgeoisie, the aesthetics of the bourgeois intelligentsia, are far from appealing to the proletariat. But the proletariat does not yet have its own aesthetics; it is in the process of its victorious class struggle, and, therefore, it would be a terrible mistake on its way to forming the methods of new class sex selection to use the old, putrefied methods of sex enticement, as far as their class validity is concerned. What will the offspring be like in class terms, created by parents whose main virtues, which were the main sexual stimulants, were: the powerless and coquettishly lively femininity of the mother and the "broad-shouldered muscularity" of the father? Revolution, of course, is not against broad shoulders, but it is not by them that it ultimately wins, and it is not on them that revolutionary sexual selection should be built at its core. The powerless fragility of women is of no use to it at all: economically and politically, that is, physiologically, the woman of the modern proletariat must approach, and is increasingly approaching, the man. It is necessary to achieve that harmonious combination of physical health and class creative values which is most expedient from the point of view of the interests of the revolutionary struggle of the proletariat. The embodiment of this combination will be the ideal of proletarian sexual selection.

The basic class-values should be the basic sex-bait, and only on them will the sex-union be built in the future. It is not without reason that not only the concept of beauty, but also the concept of the physiological norm, is currently the subject of such passionate scientific discussion.

X. There must be no jealousy. Sexual love life, built on mutual respect, on equality, on deep ideological closeness, on mutual trust, does not allow for lies, suspicion, jealousy.

Jealousy has several rotten characteristics about it. Jealousy, on the one hand, is the result of mistrusting the person you love, fearing that he will hide the truth; on the other hand, jealousy is the product of mistrusting yourself (a state of self-deprecation): "I am so bad that she or he does not need me, and he or she can easily cheat on me. Further, there is an element of the jealous person's own lies in jealousy: Usually those who are not trustworthy in matters of love are not trustworthy themselves; from the experience of their own lies, they assume that their partner is also prone to lie. Worst of all, in jealousy, its main content is an element of rude possessiveness: "I don't want to give her (him) up to anyone," which is completely unacceptable from a proletarian-class point of view. If my love life, like my entire life, is a class asset, if my entire sexual behavior must be based on considerations of class expediency, it is obvious that my choice of sexual object as well as the choice by others of me as a sexual object must, in the first place, be based on the class utility of this choice. If my sexual partner's departure from me is associated with an increase in his class power, if he (she) has replaced me with another object that is more valuable in the class sense, how anti-class, shameful does my jealous protest become under such conditions? The question is different: it is difficult for me to judge for myself who is better: me or the one who has replaced me. But appeal, then, to comradely, class opinion, and be firmly reconciled if the evaluation was not in your favor. If you have been replaced by the worst one(s), you are left with the right to struggle to win back the one(s) who left you, or, if you fail, to despise him or her as someone who is not class-minded. But this is not jealousy.

Jealousy is the fear of others' lies, that is, of one's own lies as well, the feeling of one's own nothingness and powerlessness, the animal-proprietor approach, that is precisely what a revolutionary proletarian fighter should not have in any case.

XI. There must be no sexual perversions. No more than 1-2% of contemporary sexual perversions are genuinely intra-biological, inborn, constitutional; the rest are in fact acquired conditioned reflexes produced by a pernicious combination of external conditions and require the most resolute class struggle against them. Every sexual perversion, weakening the central sexual content, is reflected at the same time on the quality of the offspring and on the entire development of sexual relations between partners. Sexual perversions always indicate a gross inflection of sexual life toward naked sensuality, a severe lack of social and loving stimuli in the sex drive. The sexual life of the perverted lacks those creatively regulating elements which characterize normal sexual relations: the demands of more and more diversity, the dependence on random stimuli and random moods become really enormous in the perverted; the difficulty of finding a partner fully satisfying the needs of the perverted, the fear of losing the partner already found, the difficulty of the task of the perverted adjusting him to himself (that is actually mutilating the partner for his pleasure), frequent jealousy, suspicion of the perverted, and the need to make his own choices.

The class must try with all its might to bring the perverted one back into the mainstream of normal sexual experience.

XII. Class, in the interests of revolutionary expediency, has the right to intervene in the sexual life of its members. Sexuality must be subordinated to class in everything, not interfering with it in any way, serving it in everything.

There is too much chaos in contemporary sexual life, too many ridiculous conditioned reflexes in the field of sexuality, created by exploiting sociality, for the revolutionary organizing class to accept this bourgeois inheritance without struggle. Ninety percent of contemporary sexual content has lost its biological spontaneity and is subject to the corrupting influence of a variety of factors, from under whose power it is necessary to liberate sexuality by giving it a different, healthy direction, by creating for it expedient class regulators. Sexuality ceases to be "the private affair of the individual" (as Bebel once said, but he did not live in the militant era of the proletarian revolution or in the country of the victorious proletariat) and becomes an area of social, class organization. Of course, we are still far away from a truly exhaustive class-normalization of sexuality among the proletariat, since the socio-economic preconditions for this normalization have not yet been clearly studied, and there is also a great deal of fetishism in the biological interpretation of sexuality. Attempts to rigidly normalize sexuality now, of course, would lead to tragic absurdity, to the most complex misunderstandings and conflicts, but nevertheless there are general introductory milestones for the class correction of the sexual question, for the creation of a basic sexual direction.

By sensible advice from comrades, by organizing class opinion in an appropriate direction, by giving valuable artistic images of a certain type in art, by intervening even in cases that are too crude, even by the professional court, by the narsu, etc., etc., class can now give major impulses along the lines of sexual selection, along the lines of saving sexual energy, of socializing sexuality, ennobling and eugenicizing it.

The further on, the clearer the path on this issue becomes, the more firm and clear, the more detailed the class's demands regarding the sexual behavior of its fellow-men will become. But it will not only make demands, it will build an environment conducive to the fulfillment of these demands. The measure of its demands will correspond to the possibilities of the new environment, to the degree of its maturity and strength. Being determines consciousness. The sexual must submit entirely to the regulating influence of the class. An environment corresponding to this is already taking shape.

Of course, our "12 commandments" do not at all exhaust all the norms of behavior of the revolutionary proletariat. The author only poses the question in its original form, trying to fix the first milestones. In doing so, he has tried to hold consistently to the three criteria indicated above for the class-appropriate sexual behavior of the proletariat: 1) the question of progeny; 2) the question of class energy; 3) the question of relations within class. One of the preconditions for this was, among other things, the consideration that in the transitional period of the revolution the family had not yet perished.

A healthy revolutionary progeny with the most productive use of his energy and the best possible relations with his other classmates will be realized only by the worker who begins his sexual life late, who remains a virgin before marriage, who creates sexual relations with a person close to him as a class-lover, who will skimp on sexual acts, performing them only as the final discharge of a deep and comprehensive social-love feeling, etc., etc.

This is how the author thinks of the "sexual platform" of the proletariat.

A few words about "robbed," about human joys emasculated by my norms. All joy, in its class use, must have some valuable productive purpose. The larger this joy, the fuller its productive value must be. What, then, is the productive value of the whole vast sum of man's modern "sexual joys"?

This value is purely parasitic for a good 3/4 of the time. The organs of the senses, not receiving proper impressions in the rotten modern environment, movements not receiving proper space, social instincts, inquisitive aspirations, squeezed, flattened in the chaos of our exploitative and post-exploitative modernity, give up all their remaining unused energy, all their free motor fund, their excessive activity to the only reserve factor - the sexual, which becomes the hero of the day, the willy-nilly spider. Hence the early awakening of sexuality, hence its early spreading through all branches of human existence, hence its impudent impregnation of all pores of human existence, even science. Is it really that much use for revolutionary, pre-communist culture to cultivate this spider-like existence of our sexuality? Is it not better to give the robbed their goods back to them? Is it not better to "degrade", "usurp", and "suck" the swollen sexuality with the corresponding hard influences (the class anti-pump, revolutionary sublimation) in order to squeeze out of it and suck out the values it has stolen from the body, from the class? Soviet conditions facilitate this as much as possible.

How much new, unmediated, not dampened by sexual lust, vivid, heroic, collectivist, militant class aspiration will man then receive anew! How much acute scientific research, materialistic curiosity, no longer chained to the sexual organs alone, will man then gain! Are these joys less joyful than sexual joy? Is their productive value less than the value of a carefully guarded sexual intercourse or sexual dream? Especially since, by right, this wealth, both socially and biologically, does not belong to the sex, - it was only stolen by the latter in an atmosphere of ridiculous exploitative energy turmoil.

Soviet society is most favorable to our radical reform of sexual behavior, from which we proceed in the construction of our milestones.

Whereas the bourgeois order created an enormous biological excess in the ruling classes, a great part of which was spent on sexual arousal, while on the other hand it flattened the working masses by squeezing out a great part of their unused creative activity in the direction of the sexual, Soviet society has just the opposite characteristics: it expelled the slackers with biological excess and unleashed the compressed forces of the working masses, thereby liberating them from sexual captivity as well, giving them ways to sublimate. The sublimational possibilities of the Soviet public, that is, the possibility of translating sexualized experiences into creative ways, are extremely great. All one needs to do is to become well aware of this and skillfully reorganize sexuality, regulate it, place it in its proper place. Much of this, of course, depends on the speed of the creative deepening of the Soviet public itself, that is, of our socialist economy in the first place.

But there is also the broadest scope for special activity.

Indeed, what a tremendous desexualization (detachment from the sexual) is the full political emancipation of women, the increase in their human and class consciousness. Women's emancipation and uncultivation play a very large role in the condensation of sexual experience, since for women under such conditions the sexual is almost the only sphere of spiritual interests. For the grossly sensual man, however, such a powerless woman is especially tasty prey. The liberated, conscious woman withdraws a large lump from this too "rich" sexual fund of both sexes, thereby freeing up a large portion of the creative forces bound up to that sexual purpose.

Also of tremendous desexualizing, sublimating significance is the general creative emancipation of the working masses of the USSR, whose entire compressed forces, which were also spent on excessive sexual nutrition, are now being liberated for businesslike, productive public exposure. Here we must also include the emancipation of the nationalities and other gains of the revolution in freeing the masses from the exploitative yoke. Of great importance is also the separation of the population from religion. Trying to reconcile with a sordid reality, religion destroyed martial impulses, belittled and squeezed a number of bodily and social aspirations, thus flattening most of them in the direction of the sexual content. The dying religion of the masses weakens their sexual squalor; it revives their martial qualities (although religious preachers lie to the contrary: without religion, sexual licentiousness will appear).

The distraction of our old intelligentsia also fostered a lot of sexual debauchery.

The stronger the detachment from martial reality, the more extra-real fiction it contains, i.e. more sexual fiction. Attached now to the Soviet chariot of rigidly practical construction, the most socially healthy part of the old intelligentsia is being re-educated, losing piece by piece and its extra sexual weight, not to mention the fact that it is gradually being more and more insistently replaced by a newly growing, quite materialistic, worker-peasant intelligentsia.

The communist children's movement will save children's age from early puberty (isn't it the product of our October Revolution), etc., etc.

Obviously, now is the time for an organized restructuring of sexual norms. Our public allows this readjustment to begin, demands this readjustment, greedily awaits the creative forces which will be set free from sexual captivity after this readjustment. Does a true friend of the revolution, a true citizen of the USSR have the right to object to the rehabilitation of sexuality?

But how to begin, how to conduct this "sexual reform"?

What is needed is an initiative, an example, a demonstration. The spearhead in the sexual rehabilitation of workers and all of humanity, as in everything else, must be our red youth. Raised in the heroic sublimating atmosphere of our revolution, stuffed with bright class creative joys in a way that young people have never been stuffed before, they will more easily get rid of the rotten sexual inertia of the exploitative period of human history. It is she who owes it to herself to be an energetic pioneer in this field, showing the way to the younger generation, her successor.

Amidst the variegated and heated discussion that our red youth is currently engaged in, among the most varied, partly ridiculous sexual ideals - in the style of at least Kollontay's Zhenya or in the ascetic spirit of Tolstoy - a trickle of class regulation of sexual desire, a trickle of a scientifically organized, revolutionary-appropriate, businesslike approach to the question of sex begins to break through more and more distinctly.

There is no doubt that this stream will steadily grow, absorbing into itself all the healthiest revolutionary-ideological quests of youth in the field of sex.

Here and there, individual, brave, strong groups are already trying to bind themselves to certain firm directives in the field of sexuality. Here and there, setting an example for others by their behavior, they try to draw the attention of other comrades to the sexual misbehavior going on around them. Sometimes in contact with the domestic and NUT local cells, always in close contact with the Party cell, with the Komsomol cell, they also try to find a method of practical influence on those who are too grossly violating the class equality in the area of sex. Our revolutionary, proletarian art is also searching hard in this field.

Every now and then, the professional court, the party committee, the control committee cut through public attention with the message that the boundary of sexual permissibility ends there, and young people reel this information in, using it in case of strategic necessity - to suppress too unbridled impulses around them. Thus, gradually, from below, the experience is accumulated by energetic searches, and a system of business rules is formed. The author has no doubt that the system of sexual norms, created by this mass practice, groped from below, mostly coincides with the scheme given by him above. There may, of course, be changes in detail, additions, variations, but the scheme does not pretend to exhaust the whole problem, it only tries to give direction.

Our children, the pioneers, will be the first to bring the matter of sexual health improvement to really serious results. They are the ones to begin with.

A few more words about the responsibilities of red youth in the sexual field. Much is given to them, and therefore much is demanded of them. The October Revolution was forged by a heroic Bolshevik underground cadre which pulled the masses behind it, which gave an enormous number of heavy sacrifices to the proletarian good. This is the heroic-revolutionary fund with which the proletarian revolution, which is unfolding and will continue to unfold for a long time to come, is nourished. What heroic fund has our youth contributed to the revolution? Of course, they have not yet been able to do much with their age, but, at any rate, their fighting heroic accumulations are not so great in the short term as the revolution has been a few years in a relatively peaceful period. Therefore it is not a sin if the heroic, sacrificial revolutionary fund, among other parts of this fund, also includes a rich contribution of sexual modesty, of sexual self-organization by the youth. It will improve our morals, it will help us form strong, creatively saturated class fighters, it will enable us to give birth to a healthy, new revolutionary shift, it will save a lot of precious class energy, which already unproductively flows away too much, due to our ineptitude.

In order to build, we must learn to save in an organized way.
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ЗАЛКИНД Арон Борисович (1886 – 1936)

ZALKIND Aron Borisovich (1886 – 1936) – Soviet physician, psychiatrist, psychologist, psychoanalyst, and pedologist. One of the leaders of the pedological movement in the USSR.

R.I.P. comrade.
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>Sexual abstinence before marriage is necessary, and marriage only at full social and biological maturity (i.e., 20-25 years of age) is the second sexual commandment of the proletariat.

People reach full maturity by fifteen thru twenty.
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>>12106

> I. There must be no too early development of sexuality among the proletariat-the first sexual commandment of the revolutionary working class.


Bullshit. Sex is a need and required since the age of adolescence (12-13 years old), so teenagers could feel themselves well, both physically and mentally. If they don't have sex, they're just gonna to masturbate, because the need is going nowhere. Masturbation is much worse than natural sex.


> II. Sexual abstinence before marriage is necessary, and marriage only at full social and biological maturity (i.e., 20-25 years of age) is the second sexual commandment of the proletariat.


Bullshit №2. That is nothing more that deprivation men of sex, exactly what feminazi and capitalists are doing right now, when we have the majority of young men as incels. Do they feel themselves okay while being virgins till they 20's and 30's? What? Even committing mass shootings? How strange. We thought men should be happy to live as castrated bulls.

> III. Sexual intercourse is only as the final consummation of deep, comprehensive sympathy and affection for the object of sexual love.


Bullshit №3. Sex is a need for men no matter if a man loves someone or is loved my someone. What if there are no women that love him, because they prefer to love chads? Only chads should have sex then? It's not socialism, it's feminazism.

> IV. The sexual act must be only the final link in the chain of deep and complex experiences that bind the lovers at the moment.


Bullshit №4, same as №3, not gonna repeat.

> V. The sexual act must not be repeated often.


The first time I won't say bullshit, but also won't support this statement. The sexual act must be repeated as soon as it needed. It might be often from someone's perspective, it might be not. One time per day seems like average for me.

> VI. Do not change the sexual object frequently. Less sexual variety.


Bullshit №5. Humans are not made monogamous. Sex with a single partner gets boring very soon. The more women you've had the brighter your sexual life is.

> VII. Love must be monogamous, monoandrous (one wife, one husband).


Bullshit №6, same as №5. Marriage is completely unnecessary at all in the socialist society. Love fades after some time (3 years they say) among most people, both men and women.

> VIII. In every sexual act one must always be mindful of the possibility of conceiving a child, and generally mindful of offspring.


That's ok, despite the fact that procreation is not the main meaning of sex.

> IX. Sexual selection must be along the lines of class, revolutionary-proletarian expediency. Elements of flirtation, courtship, coquetry, and other methods of specifically sexual conquest must not be introduced into love relationships.


Bullshit №7. Sex is the basis of the "love" relationship.

> X. There must be no jealousy. Sexual love life, built on mutual respect, on equality, on deep ideological closeness, on mutual trust, does not allow for lies, suspicion, jealousy.


That's a nice thought, but it doesn't work in the system that Zalkind proposes. A man will be suspicious to his wife, if his wife is the only woman he has sex with. No one wants to be a cuckold without compensations. If both women and men have many different sex partners - that's ok. If women and only chad men - that's not.

> XI. There must be no sexual perversions.


The first time I mostly agree.

> XII. Class, in the interests of revolutionary expediency, has the right to intervene in the sexual life of its members. Sexuality must be subordinated to class in everything, not interfering with it in any way, serving it in everything


Partly agree. Only partly because this man definitely knows nothing about sexuality. He doesn't even understand that sex is needed as sex itself. He pinned it to love, marriage, procreation - anything but not to sex itself. Sexuality must serve to working class, but it we want it to serve, we first must understand what it is and what it is for. Zalkind did not, unfortunately.

So, the final verdict - this article should be better named "how to turn the new socialist state into sexless puritanical society, where men are sexually unsatisfied, have to live with one wife, that's only getting older every year, not even having much of control over her, and should only think about their job at the factory". Definitely not recommended in the 21th century, when the majority of young men are incels, that will only hate communist ideas more if they read this. Guaranteed sex for every man - this must be the modern communists' slogan.
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 No.12154

>>12125
"thru" shut up moron

>>12153
you're a retarded pedophile for even disagreeing with sir zalkind.
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 No.12155

>>12154
> “thru" shut up moron

You shut up with your neopuritanism. Most young people nowadays are having way less sex and relationships anyway. Your hysteria is unfounded.
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 No.12158

>>12155
>neopuritanism
you using this baseless retarded word lets me know how much of a degen you are and less doesn't mean the problem has gone away especially with how many sexual deviants live among my city, my """hysteria""" is based on the observable material conditions of the world you idealist.
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 No.12164

>>12158
You live in LA, which are overrun with drug addicts and petty thieves and neighborhood gangs. Not the same as sexual liberalism.

People are more accepting of violence than sex.
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 No.12166

>>12164
>people are more accepting of violence than sex"

this is a good thing and liberal politics led to that their sexual ones are no better
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 No.12181

>>12166
How is this good?

Glorification of violence has lead to gang warfare, mass shootings, bullying, etc

People who glorify violence like yourself are often immature edgelords with an empathetic deficit.

Have you ever grown up in a war-torn country?

You wouldn’t be saying violence is good if you were.

You’re just another pathetic passive aggressive edgelord with a self righteous complex
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 No.12183

>>12166
No it's not, have sex CHUD.
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 No.12184

>>12181
Im talking about the acceptance of violence among the proletariat, it is good because it can easily be directed to class you're the bozo who cant read.

>>12183
Never Sex, Never goon
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 No.12203

>>12154
> you're a retarded pedophile for even disagreeing with sir zalkind.

He is "sir" for you and maybe some other antisexual feminists cucks. For me those, who are against sex in the 21th century, are either not smart or direct enemies of men and communism.

Btw, funny how it's everything you could reply.

> how many sexual deviants live among my city


The most abnormal sexual deviation is not wanting to have sex. So guess who is the biggest sexual deviant in your city?

>>12181
> Glorification of violence has lead to gang warfare, mass shootings, bullying, etc

No only glorification of violence, but also lack of sex and sexual complexes. Those also lead to supporting of violence. Actually, this Hatefulgramscian is a vivid demonstration what a person without sexual life could become. Angry, hateful, violent, stupid, puritanical creep. Dr. Freud would probably be happy to have such a patient.
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 No.12204

>>12184
>Im talking about the acceptance of violence among the proletariat, it is good because it can easily be directed to class you're the bozo who cant read.

And again, you’re the bozo. We had people with the same mentality as you saying “violence is le based because class warfare” and where does that end up?

The Bloods and Crips were a result of Black Panther ideology gone wrong

Nazism? Same thing.

Thanks for proving my point of being a willfully antisocial idealistic edgelord
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 No.12205

>>12203
>The most abnormal sexual deviation is not wanting to have sex. So guess who is the biggest sexual deviant in your city?

You’re wrong.

>Those also lead to supporting of violence. Actually, this Hatefulgramscian is a vivid demonstration what a person without sexual life could become. Angry, hateful, violent, stupid, puritanical creep. Dr. Freud would probably be happy to have such a patient.


Nope. HatefulGramSci is just a bored aimless edgelord who doesn’t have any hobbies or interest in real world affairs.
His political ideas are borne from willful empathetic detachment from his fellow man.
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 No.12219

>>12203
>Btw, funny how it's everything you could reply.

nice english skills retard sir isn't only a title nor was i being serious about "never sex"

>The most abnormal sexual deviation is not wanting to have sex.


wrong its probably the shit kinks but you're probably into that stuff

>Hatefulgramscian is a vivid demonstration what a person without sexual life could become. Angry, hateful, violent, stupid, puritanical creep.


You don't need a sexual life to be "normal" weirdo especially at my age it should be normal to abstain.

>>12204
>The Bloods and Crips were a result of Black Panther ideology gone wrong

Obviously i don't mean the path of revolutionary idpol moron you're choosing bad examples on purpose (not to mention the nazis glorification of violence worked)

>>12205
>HatefulGramSci is just a bored aimless edgelord who doesn’t have any hobbies or interest in real world affairs.
His political ideas are borne from willful empathetic detachment from his fellow man.

You don't know anything about me but my ideas aren't built off of moralism i can tell you that
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 No.12222

unbelievably fucking based
every day im reminded of why the ussr was the greatest country on earth
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 No.12226

>>12219
> You don't need a sexual life to be "normal" weirdo especially at my age it should be normal to abstain.

That's called involuntary celibate. So you are basically an incel, sublimating your sexual dissatisfaction into angry puritanism. But this sublimation will not help you, unfortunately.
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 No.12227

>>12219
>You don't need a sexual life to be "normal" weirdo especially at my age it should be normal to abstain.

It’s normal for any age to abstain from sex. It’s just only enforced for teens to abstain because teens are infantilised

People over 20 are encouraged to fornicate as much as they want because “I’m an adult”

>Obviously i don't mean the path of revolutionary idpol moron you're choosing bad examples on purpose (not to mention the nazis glorification of violence worked)


How am I choosing bad examples on purpose? Your affirmation of Nazism is especially worrying and confirming to me that you’re an obnoxious edgelord

>You don't know anything about me but my ideas aren't built off of moralism i can tell you that


Why are you so morally obsessed with sex then? Especially youth sexuality
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 No.12236

>>12226
>That's called involuntary celibate.

Incel is when you recognize that you don't need a sex life to be normal under the age of 18 please blow your head off NOW!!!

>>12227
>People over 20 are encouraged to fornicate as much as they want because “I’m an adult”

This is not a good thing retard and how are teens infantilised if they're expected to have adult responsibility before even leaving their teenage years?

>How am I choosing bad examples on purpose? Your affirmation of Nazism is especially worrying and confirming to me that you’re an obnoxious edgelord


are you being a retard on purpose? al of the aforementioned groups revolved around idpol (which i would not follow) which led to their demise and i was talking about the nazis glorification of violence and how it led them to power

>Why are you so morally obsessed with sex then? Especially youth sexuality


My critiques are objective centering around the idea that too much sex (and things like age gap relationships, kinks and such ) degenerate a society
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 No.12238

>>12236
>Incel is when you recognize that you don't need a sex life to be normal under the age of 18 please blow your head off NOW!!!

Wrong.
Incel is any man or woman that suffers from any mobile, neurocognitve, or endocrinological disorder that prevents them from having normal social relations, preventing them from sex.

“Incel” has become hijacked to mean “able bodied Allistic/high-functioning neurodivergent male with willful contempt for fellow people and doesn’t like interacting with others platonically. They treat sex as an adulthood entitlement.
Also nothing wrong with occasional sex under eighteen.


>My critiques are objective centering around the idea that too much sex (and things like age gap relationships, kinks and such ) degenerate a society


Only two of these things are wrong.
Age-gap relationships and kinks aren’t automatically bad.
Too much sex is bad though. That’s why I advocate for AI sex dolls.

>This is not a good thing retard and how are teens infantilised if they're expected to have adult responsibility before even leaving their teenage years?


They’re only given criminal responsibility. They’re not allowed to have full time jobs. Theyre not allowed to not socialize. They’re not allowed to economically independent of their parents.

People used to have their first jobs as kids, mowing lawns or working in fast food.
That all changed with liability laws and increased academic workload.

Most adults think kids not having after school jobs means they’re lazy, despite schoolwork being more than it was before the 1990s.

Back then, it was socially acceptable to drop out of school at fourteen and get work in factories, restaurants, etc.
Especially if you lived in the city.
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 No.12243

>>12238
>Incel is

and then its just shit that doesn't apply to me lol

>Age-gap relationships and kinks aren’t automatically bad.


I disagree I believe that the age disparity will always cause problems and it is up to the individual couple to prove otherwise

>That’s why I advocate for AI sex dolls.


this is as bad as gooning it cannot be good for the brain

>They’re only given criminal responsibility. They’re not allowed to have full time jobs. Theyre not allowed to not socialize. They’re not allowed to economically independent of their parents.


these are just all wrong i mean at my school there is several teens that have been put out (albeit i go to a charter school in a rough area in la)

>People used to have their first jobs as kids, mowing lawns or working in fast food.

That all changed with liability laws and increased academic workload.

people still do these things btw kids my ages are becoming barbers/nail techs and working with their dads in construction doe

>Back then, it was socially acceptable to drop out of school at fourteen and get work in factories, restaurants, etc.

Especially if you lived in the city.

this shouldn't be brought back or the thing above it
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 No.12254

>>12243
> I disagree I believe that the age disparity will always cause problems and it is up to the individual couple to prove otherwise

By this logic, so does racial disparity and wealth disparity.
There’s more dysfunctional relationships of age-parity than of the opposite.
Age numbers are not inherent virtue points. Modern society especially in the west, socially segregates by age.

>these are just all wrong i mean at my school there is several teens that have been put out (albeit i go to a charter school in a rough area in la)


Those are in ghetto areas though. And probably outliers by todays standards

> people still do these things btw kids my ages are becoming barbers/nail techs and working with their dads in construction doe


Those are the lucky ones. Outside of the metropolitan areas, kids don’t have those vocational opportunities in school.

> this shouldn't be brought back or the thing above it


Schooling is becoming more redundant and expensive.
The cost of living is going up.
It’s become disturbingly normal to go for half of your twenties without having any work experience.

And, not all kids are good with academia. Forcin these kids to remain in school often ends up with juvenile delinquency.

I’m sorry but I think there ought to be a minority of teens that would be better off working.

Especially in inner cities.

To say otherwise is to be a delusional idealist.

The point of schooling is to teach kids to cross their T’s and dot their i’s

Most of our abstract skills taught in schools aren’t used in the workforce unless you’re aim a specialised field.
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 No.12255

>>12243
> this shouldn't be brought back or the thing above it

So you’d rather that kids not have any basic industrial experience? You know what happens when you graduate high school?
When you apply for jobs, you’re not gonna be asked about if you’re adept in history or advanced math

They want people who know how to work on their toes.
A lot of workplaces refuse to hire young people due to their lack of worldly exposure.
Even when you get a career, companies rarely shore based on your degree.

They only hire you based on industrial skills.

If you have no prior experience, you end up with nothing

Do you understand how disturbingly common it is for college graduates to end up in customer service jobs?
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 No.12270

>>12254
>so does racial disparity and wealth disparity.

you're not using my logic races aren't socialized in a way that will cause heads to bump on every interaction but the wealth one is correct

>Those are in ghetto areas though.


well no bell is actually pretty nice compared to the rest of south central

>kids don’t have those vocational opportunities in school.


blatant lie vocational schools are everyone not to mention the apprenticeship route

>It’s become disturbingly normal to go for half of your twenties without having any work experience.


okay but why? why should uyghas wagecuck so early

>So you’d rather that kids not have any basic industrial experience?


literally yes, is it such a problem these retards have to train someone for a little not to mention there is several regular electives that help with these types if things

>A lot of workplaces refuse to hire young people due to their lack of worldly exposure.


and this is everyones fault but the teens
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 No.12276

>>12236

> Incel is when you recognize that you don't need a sex life to be normal under the age of 18 please blow your head off NOW!!!


No, incel is when you need sex, but can't get it for any reasons. If you're a healthy adolescent man, you need sex. But you don't have it. That's why you are an incel. The solution is to solve the inceldom problem, which affects the majority of men today, not to cope like "sex is not needed", "sex is degenerate and dirty", "I'm a volcel" and so on.

And, by the way, men need sex not since they're 18yo, but since they're 12-13yo. At this age they start to actively masturbate and watch pornography, because their female classmates don't want to have sex with them and masturbation is all that's left for them.
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 No.12281

>>12276
youre a retarded brownoid stop responding to me already, im 6ft with good bones and fat pads just because your culture allowed you to rape your relatives doesn't mean people need sex since 12 you freak
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 No.12282

>>12281
What are fat pads?
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 No.12283

>>12281

> youre a retarded brownoid stop responding to me already


What's wrong? Am I breaking your illusions about this world?

> im 6ft with good bones and fat pads


That means nothing. If you don't have sex, you are an incel. Good looking or 6ft height do not guarantee sex, by the way.

> your culture allowed you to rape your relatives doesn't mean people need sex since 12 you freak


Men of any race and any culture need sex since 12-13. Or are you gonna say that 12yo boys in your country do not watch porn or don't masturbate?
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 No.12284

>>12283
>Good looking or 6ft height do not guarantee sex, by the way.
This. My mom says I'm handsome and I do not have sex.
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 No.12286

>>12284
>t. mentalcel
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 No.12287

>>12282
>What are fat pads?

facial fat pads i mean

>Am I breaking your illusions about this world?


you havent brought forth one valid argument

>If you don't have sex, you are an incel.


no retard its if you cant have sex which i can i simply abstain

>Men of any race and any culture need sex since 12-13. Or are you gonna say that 12yo boys in your country do not watch porn or don't masturbate?


watching porn and sex (and masturbating frequently) are different as they have been proven to mess with the brain nor does masturbation equate to "need for sex"
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 No.12289

>>12287

> you havent brought forth one valid argument


Of course, I've brought forth plenty of them.

> no retard its if you cant have sex which i can i simply abstain


Surely you do. And I can become a billionaire in just one week, but I don't want to and simply abstain.

> watching porn and sex (and masturbating frequently) are different


They are different, masturbation is a poor replacement of sex.

> nor does masturbation equate to "need for sex"


It does. Why masturbate if you don't need sex?
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 No.12290

>>12289
>Of course, I've brought forth plenty of them.

oh yeah like "No, incel is when you need sex, but can't get it for any reasons." lol

> And I can become a billionaire in just one week, but I don't want to and simply abstain.


whatever retard we were literally just talking about sexual degeneracy in la even if i were some fat chud im sure i would've been able to find some hoe to fuck

>Why masturbate if you don't need sex?


why do people eat when they aren't hungry?
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 No.12294

>>12290

> oh yeah like "No, incel is when you need sex, but can't get it for any reasons." lol


So? What's wrong? i gave you the definition of incel.

> whatever retard we were literally just talking about sexual degeneracy in la even if i were some fat chud im sure i would've been able to find some hoe to fuck


But you are an incel in denial, and you are not able to fuck, that's the problem. Not only your problem though.

> why do people eat when they aren't hungry?


People eat because they have the need to eat. As well as people try to have sex because they have the need to have sex. If they cannot get sex, they masturbate instead.
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 No.12300

>>12281
Kinda wrong on this.
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 No.12306

>>12270
>okay but why? why should uyghas wagecuck so early?

Why do you wanna have people stuck in schools for so long? Also that’s not early

>literally yes, is it such a problem these retards have to train someone for a little not to mention there is several regular electives that help with these types if things


Is it such a problem for kids to learn to work with their hands? Elective classes don’t go into full depth as much.

>youre a retarded brownoid stop responding to me already, im 6ft with good bones and fat pads just because your culture allowed you to rape your relatives doesn't mean people need sex since 12 you freak


Statutory rape of relatives is more common amongst white peoples than you think.
Also youth sexuality is greatly misunderstood if not actively gatekept. Meanwhile youth violence/abuse is permitted

>nor does masturbation equate to "need for sex"


You’re being willfully ignorant. Masturbation doesn’t always mean personal individual desire for sex but it does mean you have a sex drive.
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 No.12307

>>12270
>you're not using my logic races aren't socialized in a way that will cause heads to bump on every interaction but the wealth one is correct

So I take it that you never head about racism or ethnocultural clashes?
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 No.12314

>>12294
>What's wrong?

go back up you responded with that when i was being sarcastic and i was showing how you're retarded

>and you are not able to fuck, that's the problem.


cool but i don't have that problem you've just been saying that cause you haven't matured past grade school insults

>People eat because they have the need to eat.


thats not what i asked retard and no people do not need to have sex, people will not die without it so it isn't a need.

>>12300
>People eat because they have the need to eat.

what part

>Why do you wanna have people stuck in schools for so long?


I don't but id much rather they learn than wagecuck what? and yes 14 is early considering it will be for your whole life

>Is it such a problem for kids to learn to work with their hands?


they do tho shit like workshop exists and i literally did a class teaching the basics of electrician work

>Statutory rape of relatives is more common amongst white peoples than you think.


I wasn't talking about statutory rape but regardless that just doesn't mean that it doesn't occur more in 3rd world cultures.

and how is youth sexuality misunderstood and yes it should be gatekept you predator and no youth violence is not permitted (youth abuse is permitted by some institutions.


>Masturbation doesn’t always mean personal individual desire for sex but it does mean you have a sex drive.


even if this was what the person i responded to was trying to say i already said how it should not be acted upon.

>>12307
>So I take it that you never head about racism or ethnocultural clashes?

outliers, plus i doubt they bump heads on every interaction
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 No.12321

>>12153
>Sex is a need and required since the age of adolescence (12-13 years old),

your only justification for this is that they'll just masturbate. Ill leave it at the scientific biological maturity age is in the 20s and in no way shape or form is a person in their adolescence socially mature enough to have sex, so your entire idea of readyness is nothing more than an abstract based on feelings.

> That is nothing more that deprivation men of sex,


it clearly says that they can have sex there and the modern day capitalists and feminists are pushing for people to have premarital sex so im on the good side actually and no most mass shootings happen because of actual mental illnesses

>Sex is a need for men no matter if a man loves someone or is loved my someone. What if there are no women that love him, because they prefer to love chads?


you're argument here is that "sex is a need" (already i proved how it wasn't because men live with no sex) and hypergamy which is a result of class society/capitalist socializing and will not exist under socialism as seen in the ussr. and stop saying feminazism that sounds cool.

>Bullshit №4, same as №3, not gonna repeat.


refer to the response above

> It might be often from someone's perspective, it might be not. One time per day seems like average for me.


this i kinda agree with aslong as both parties agree and such

>Humans are not made monogamous.


Noble Savagery, humans needed to reproduce alot to make more humans for their tribe, there is a reason why monogamy was common in the transitioning socialist societies like the ussr. and the rest is just degenerate cope love does not get boring for most (relationships under capitalism aside)



>Marriage is completely unnecessary at all in the socialist society. Love fades after some time (3 years they say) among most people, both men and women.


source? i don't think the general want for commitment in love will ever disappear in the majority of people

>despite the fact that procreation is not the main meaning of sex.


i agree actually

>Sex is the basis of the "love" relationship.


just a blatant lie its mostly emotional connection or something

>A man will be suspicious to his wife, if his wife is the only woman he has sex with.


what? this entire things was incoherent

>He doesn't even understand that sex is needed as sex itself.


what are you even talking about anymore? sex should be pinned to love you degenerate, this entire "critique" was shit and incoherent at best
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 No.12360

>>12321
>your only justification for this is that they'll just masturbate. Ill leave it at the scientific biological maturity age is in the 20s and in no way shape or form is a person in their adolescence socially mature enough to have sex, so your entire idea of readyness is nothing more than an abstract based on feelings

The “brain development” theory was based on a half baked understanding of neurophysiology.

Your brain doesn’t finish development at 25. What happens is that your brain slows down.

The brain development theory is misunderstood and promoted to encourage extended adolescence. Humans are the only species to infantilize their young. Why are other species of animal and plants considered adults by pubertal stage while humans consider this stage still childhood?

Also, “social maturity “ is a relatively new and vague thing. It’s only in recent times that society has segregated young people from adult affairs which has resulted in adolescence, an extension of childhood. Nowadays, even in your twenties, you’re still considered a child.
And this has serious setbacks. People in their thirties are barely able to keep afloat due to amasses student loan debt from college and reduced skillset

>>12314
>I don't but id much rather they learn than wagecuck what? and yes 14 is early considering it will be for your whole life

It’s only considered early in this era. Also, most academia focuses purely on abstractional things that aren’t really useful for real life. And in our economy, childrearing is expensive. Plus, our K-12 education system is akin to prison, hence why tomfoolery is the commonality

>and how is youth sexuality misunderstood and yes it should be gatekept you predator


The way you’re reacting is proof.

>and no youth violence is not permitted (youth abuse is permitted by some institutions


Youth violence is permitted as long as it’s on fellow youths. And youth abuse is permitted by a lot of institutions.

>outliers, plus i doubt they bump heads on every interaction


I take it that you aren’t familiar with the racial division in Southern California? How certain districts in predominanted by specific ethnic groups?

Or that your home state was responsible for race riots in the 1960s thru the 90s?
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 No.12364

>>12281
>im 6ft with good bones

Show proof

>>12314
>I wasn't talking about statutory rape but regardless that just doesn't mean that it doesn't occur more in 3rd world cultures.

Doubt tbh. I be a lot of statutory rape is underreported or dismissed in first/second world countries
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 No.12365

>>12314

> people do not need to have sex, people will not die without it so it isn't a need.


You idiot don't even understand what a need is. It's not only something that you cannot survive without. People don't die without having friends, but having friends is a need, a social need. So is sex. Life is not just about physical survival, but also about happiness.

> your only justification for this is that they'll just masturbate.


If people need sex, they need sex. There is no need to forbid them doing so. Unless, of course, someone is a globalist servant, working against men and the main right of men - the right to have sex.

> Ill leave it at the scientific biological maturity age is in the 20s


What feminist magazine did you read that in? The age of puberty is 12-13 years old. Humans of this age already want sex.

> and in no way shape or form is a person in their adolescence socially mature enough to have sex


Is that why 13yo boys masturbate and some 13yo girls have sex with older guys? xD

> so your entire idea of readyness is nothing more than an abstract based on feelings.


Everything is correct, but two things - not my, but your, and not readiness, but unreadiness.

> feminists are pushing for people to have premarital sex


Call an ambulance for this psycho, he just said that feminists are pushing for people to have sex. LOL.

> you're argument here is that "sex is a need"


Yes.

> already i proved how it wasn't because men live with no sex


Already I proved that your "prove" is bullshit, a need is not only people cannot survive without.

> hypergamy which is a result of class society/capitalist socializing and will not exist under socialism as seen in the ussr


No. Hypergamy is a result of vaginacapitalism and women's monopoly to decide which men are gonna have sex and which are not. Hypergamy existed long before capitalism.

There was hypergamy under socialism in the USSR, though not as strong as in the capitalist states. And men in the USSR didn't have much of sex. Thanks to puritans like Zalkind.

> and stop saying feminazism that sounds cool.


It can only sound cool for some radical feminists, cucks and nazis. You are triple in one, huh?

> humans needed to reproduce alot to make more humans for their tribe, there is a reason why monogamy was common in the transitioning socialist societies like the ussr


Sex is not about reproduction, sex is about sex. Polygamy doesn't hurt reproduction, if organized correctly. In a socialist society people should be raised by the whole society, not just with their biological parents. This wasn't applied in the USSR.

> and the rest is just degenerate cope love does not get boring for most (relationships under capitalism aside)


What do you know about it, little virgin pussy? You don't even have your personal experience about this, lol.

> source? i don't think the general want for commitment in love will ever disappear in the majority of people


You'll see as you stop being a silly boy and grow a little older. And for now you may study some divorce statistics. And ask yourself - why people, who swear in love for each other, break up so frequently and so easily. And there is also another nice question for you to think of - what is love and why should it be committed to one person?

> just a blatant lie its mostly emotional connection or something


What if you catch the girl you love more than your life fucking with a huge cock muscle afroamerican bull? Your reaction? Would this hurt your emotional connection?
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 No.12376

>>12360
>The “brain development” theory was based on a half baked understanding of neurophysiology.
>Also, “social maturity “ is a relatively new and vague thing.

Brain development isnt the only sign of biological maturity and why must your every defense be "well it was made after ww2 so we should just revert to when people were retarded animals" and no people in their twenties aren't considered children. this "critique" was just babble about liberal capitalist socialization

>It’s only considered early in this era.


so why should we go back to previous eras peabrain and quite frankly id rather people go through the modern k-12 rather then the 1-8 and then they start wagecucking and what abstract things do they teach that isn't really useful lmao

>The way you’re reacting is proof.


yeah generalize off of "HatefulGramscian" im sure people will take your views seriously

>Youth violence is permitted as long as it’s on fellow youths.


this just isn't true especially in areas like schools and such

>I take it that you aren’t familiar with the racial division in Southern California? How certain districts in predominanted by specific ethnic groups


cia backed color civilian uprising today they are not like that

>>12364
>show proof

yeah let me just facedoxx for you rq

>I be a lot of statutory rape is underreported or dismissed in first/second world countries


what do you think it is in the third world

>>12365
>You idiot don't even understand what a need is.

so define it, peoples requirements(the definition of social needs) aren't universal so no people don't need sex and some don't even need friends

> the right to have sex.


im serving the needs of the international bourgeois but you're arguing on the side of "rights" lol read marx

>The age of puberty is 12-13 years old. Humans of this age already want sex.


puberty isn't the age of biological maturity brownoid and prove that

>Is that why 13yo boys masturbate and some 13yo girls have sex with older guys?


liberal socialization is the cause you degenerate

>not my, but your, and not readiness, but unreadiness.


i can't understand this but i assume its based on a abstract which i deny being a materialist

>he just said that feminists are pushing for people to have sex.


have you been living under a rock? feminists now want more "sexual freedom"

>Yes.


retard

>Hypergamy is a result of vaginacapitalism and women's monopoly to decide which men are gonna have sex and which are not. Hypergamy existed long before capitalism.


you can't just make up words and class society goes far before capitalism autism scorelet and no there wasn't hypergamy was abolished in the ussr and men had plenty of sex, many even before marriage to the dismay of puritans like zalkind

>You are triple in one, huh?


no but i can tell that you're the last two

>You don't even have your personal experience about this, lol.


I need to not be a virgin to know what love is? you're silly at best

>You'll see as you stop being a silly boy and grow a little older.


divorce statistics are skewed because pf liberalism for example most couples get divorced because of money issues

>What if you catch the girl you love more than your life fucking with a huge cock muscle afroamerican bull?


you don't have to air out your cuck fetish like this but yeah it obviously would retard
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 No.12382

>>12376
>Brain development isnt the only sign of biological maturity and why must your every defense be "well it was made after ww2 so we should just revert to when people were retarded animals" and no people in their twenties aren't considered children. this "critique" was just babble about liberal capitalist socialization

Your criticism of previous eras as “savage/peabrained primitives” just because people didn’t have the unnecessary social drama of adolescence along with denial of vicenarians being seen as children in the twenty-first century shows how obtuse you are

A lot of people believe vicenarians are children nowadays

They constantly promote the brain development theory.

Bit okay, if brain development isn’t the sole metric of maturation, then you admit that we unnecessarily delay maturity in young people.

>so why should we go back to previous eras peabrain and quite frankly id rather people go through the modern k-12 rather then the 1-8 and then they start wagecucking and what abstract things do they teach that isn't really useful lmao


Of course you’d want that. And it’s causing a delayed start in adulthood.
“Wagecucking” is just shallow rationalization for fear/loathing of work.

The point of schooling is to make kids into efficient workers. To delay/deny industrial skills in academia is why we have disaffection.

Do you seriously think kids are sent to school just for the hell of it?

All that talk about “personal enrichment” and “enlightenment” as rationale for academia is just bullshit. Because these same kids when they’re sent out in the adult world are judged by their industrial skills, not academic skills

In the adult world, kids whom are booksmart but aren’t good with work are seen as useless.
Book smarts are only respected if you get a career which said skills are applicable to daily life.

>puberty isn't the age of biological maturity brownoid and prove that


Wrong. It does. Animals , plants, and humans are considered biologically matured by when they reach and complete puberty.


>liberal socialization is the cause you degenerate


Now you’re really reaching
These things were way more common prior to “liberal socialization”

Conservative socialization had youth sexuality being more covert and opportunistic


All of your posts have shown that you’re either extremely ignorant or willfuly obtuse
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 No.12384

>>12382
>Your criticism of previous eras as “savage/peabrained primitives” just because people didn’t have the unnecessary social drama of adolescence along with denial of vicenarians being seen as children in the twenty-first century shows how obtuse you are

you purposely misreading my arguments shows how unserious you are.

>if brain development isn’t the sole metric of maturation, then you admit that we unnecessarily delay maturity in young people.


nice deflection fag thats never been the sole metric of maturity and how is it delayed if they never reached it biologically?

>And it’s causing a delayed start in adulthood.

“Wagecucking” is just shallow rationalization for fear/loathing of work.

do you have any proof of this other than "you see 20 year olds are delayed and its not because of the consequences of our abhorrent class society" and people have reason to loathe wagecucking you reducing it to "just work" changes nothing

and no school was designed for that you can read about this google it

kids aren't even being sent to school for "personal enrichment" anyone from the principle to the parents will say "to learn" and why are you so set on making everyone an industrial worker lmao production in the us has never been lower nor will it ever require most people needing that training for most of their lives. "books smart" JUST FUCKING LOL

>Wrong. It does. Animals , plants, and humans are considered biologically matured by when they reach and complete puberty.


reach and complete are two different things, no they are not biological mature when they hit the age of puberty (for humans 13 or so) and this completely ignores the socilization part and the fact that the most essential parts develop in the 20s (i.e whores always saying they regret what they did at like 19)

>These things were way more common prior to “liberal socialization" Conservative socialization had youth sexuality being more covert and opportunistic All of your posts have shown that you’re either extremely ignorant or willfuly obtuse


youre the retard whos acting like e aren't talking about modern problems yes when people were 'more open' the problem was worse having a philosophy that promotes that is not good
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 No.12387

>>12376

> so define it, peoples requirements(the definition of social needs) aren't universal so no people don't need sex and some don't even need friends


Need is something that is objectively necessary for a human to sustain his physical and psychological health. Most men do need sex and have psychological problems, if they don't get it, such as depression, apathy, anger (hello there) and so on.

> im serving the needs of the international bourgeois but you're arguing on the side of "rights" lol read marx


I don't see any problem with using suck rhetoric. At least it's understandable for people and helps me to show who I am supporting. Your bullshit talking, on the other hand, shows that you are not a friend of incels, and that you support those, who are trying to completely cancel sex for most of men.

> puberty isn't the age of biological maturity brownoid and prove that


It is. Proven by biology, by female ability to take a penis, to get pregnant and to give birth, and male ability to have erection and ejaculate.

> liberal socialization is the cause you degenerate


Lol. What kind of liberal socialization was there 200 years ago?

> have you been living under a rock? feminists now want more "sexual freedom"


No, it's definitely you who's been living under a rock. For many years if not decades the main idea of modern feminism is cancelling sex with men. They consider any heterosexual sex as male domination over a woman. By the way, it's feminists who are the main apologists of pedohysteria today. Not even puritanical cuckservators like you.

> hypergamy was abolished in the ussr


It was reduced, but not abolished.

> and men had plenty of sex


How could men have plenty of sex in a puritanical monogamous system? If you only fuck your wife once a week, that's not plenty of sex. Plenty of sex is when you fuck a new girl everyday - that's what is plenty of sex.

> I need to not be a virgin to know what love is?


If you are a virgin, what kind of experience lets you make conclusions about the nature of love?

> divorce statistics are skewed because pf liberalism for example most couples get divorced because of money issues


What kind of love is it, if it can be broken with money issues?

> you don't have to air out your cuck fetish like this but yeah it obviously would retard


Why? You said that sex is not needed and not important. Then you should take it easier in such a situation xD
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 No.12389

>>12384


>reach and complete are two different things, no they are not biological mature when they hit the age of puberty (for humans 13 or so)


You sure? People start puberty around eight thru ten and finish by fifteen.

>and this completely ignores the socilization part and the fact that the most essential parts develop in the 20s (i.e whores always saying they regret what they did at like 19)


That’s due more to that we infantilize young adults as valuable for their innocence.
Society pathologizes youth for flaws/nuances while celebrating/sympathizing the same flaws in older adults.

Also, kids used to socialised alongside adults, which meant people matured earlier.
We started segregating young people from worldly affairs which caused a huge sociocognitive vacuum.

Notice how students act like dating someone a couple grade-years your junior or senior is seen as “robbing the cradle” despite being in the same biochronological stage?

>kids aren't even being sent to school for "personal enrichment" anyone from the principle to the parents will say "to learn"


“Learning” is usually rote memorization of random trivia.

>and why are you so set on making everyone an industrial worker lmao production in the us has never been lower nor will it ever require most people needing that training for most of their lives. "books smart" JUST FUCKING LOL


You’re really naive. Trades are in high demand and there’s a lot of vacancies. The average prime age adult is stuck in unskilled customer service work. No skills no prospects.

All for the sake of college. And a lot of college students are unable to find jobs based on their degree due to an excess of degree holders.

>do you have any proof of this other than "you see 20 year olds are delayed and its not because of the consequences of our abhorrent class society" and people have reason to loathe wagecucking you reducing it to "just work" changes nothing


>and no school was designed for that you can read about this google it


I’m asking about K-12 education system which is a modern aberration. It was about semi-militaristic socialization that’s akin to prison.
It wasn’t about teaching kids to read. Kids can learn to read and write in homeschooling or private tutoring.

Or in more eclectic public schooling.

>do you have any proof of this other than "you see 20 year olds are delayed and its not because of the consequences of our abhorrent class society" and people have reason to loathe wagecucking you reducing it to "just work" changes nothing


I’ve been providing evidence as to why but you dismiss it as hogwash. Young adults are infantilised due to our age-segregational culture along with removal of vocational skills in schools and labor laws reducing young people from working

Also, this newfound suburban culture of smothering parents that view children as pets.

Parenthood used to be about teaching kids basic industrial/social skills to survive in the world.
Not anymore. It’s now about smothering kids, forcing them into extracurricular activities and “family fun”.

>youre the retard whos acting like e aren't talking about modern problems yes when people were 'more open' the problem was worse having a philosophy that promotes that is not good


Irony is, conservative culture was even worse. Adults could and often did molest and beat kids for their own authoritarian gratification.


>nice deflection fag thats never been the sole metric of maturity and how is it delayed if they never reached it biologically?


They have. Humans recognized that puberty was the metric of biological maturation.
Why else did we have rites of passage?

Even modern socio-legality recognizes some level of autonomous personhood of humans by age thirteen.

>you purposely misreading my arguments shows how unserious you are.


For someone that’s dedicated to a more efficient form of civility, you’re awfully ignorant about a lot of the social constructs that you’re growing up under.
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 No.12402

>>12387
>Need is something that is objectively necessary for a human to sustain his physical and psychological health.

you made this definition up specifically for this point nor can you scientifically prove that people absolutely need these things to sustain their physical or psychological health.

>At least it's understandable for people and helps me to show who I am supporting.


just utter babble lmao i don't cre about your revisionism just know that only my point is based in material reality and yours in a bourgeois abstract.

>Proven by biology, by female ability to take a penis, to get pregnant and to give birth, and male ability to have erection and ejaculate.


childbirth is explicitly not a measure of biological maturity as you can have kids at a very young age but are 100% likely to die and erection and ejaculation really uygha these things don't scientifically prove biological maturity

>What kind of liberal socialization was there 200 years ago?


that was the beginning of it as the philosophy was just being applied in west europe

>For many years if not decades the main idea of modern feminism is cancelling sex with men.


literally look at the "sexual revolution" modern feminists want all types of sex to be free and common

>it's feminists who are the main apologists of pedohysteria today.


apologize for what?

>but not abolished.


lenin himself dismantled hypergamy you must be talking about the post stalin era which i simply view as russia and its belligerents

>How could men have plenty of sex in a puritanical monogamous system?


because zalkinds system wasn't put into place and because of constant warring men wouldn't have listened so its whatever

>If you are a virgin, what kind of experience lets you make conclusions about the nature of love?


you don't need to be a bacteria to learn about micro biology, plus sex isn't required for love there are many relationships that can't have sex yet still love eachother

>what kind of love is it, if it can be broken with money issues?


the "love" under the modern day capitalist system

>You said that sex is not needed and not important.


it isn't so why would i be okay with my partner doing it?

>You sure? People start puberty around eight thru ten and finish by fifteen.


this isn't even the majority nor does that mark biological maturity

>That’s due more to that we infantilize young adults as valuable for their innocence.


none of this rant is true at all

you're acting like people can't mature in segregated same age groups, the current system is simply flawed especially as there used to be way more pedophiles attacking children in the world you speak of

>Notice how students act like dating someone a couple grade-years your junior or senior is seen as “robbing the cradle” despite being in the same biochronological stage?


being in the same biochronological means nothing if their actual ages and maturity are in two different completely places

>“Learning” is usually rote memorization of random trivia.


whatever retard look at any study ever schooling is far better cognitively than working from a younger age

>All for the sake of college. And a lot of college students are unable to find jobs based on their degree due to an excess of degree holders.


that just isn't the reason why people with higher education cn't find jobs lol, "nor will it ever require most people needing that training for most of their lives."
yes people are getting stuck in a customer service jobs because we live in a service economy so again putting people into industrial training earlier will not help them

>I’m asking about K-12 education system which is a modern aberration.


correct me if im wrong but your point was that school is bad because of how it was designed to socialize people but thats what i said there (in which i kinda disagree it does each people some things they will nee for higher education but yeah it is mostly to train people)

>Parenthood used to be about teaching kids basic industrial/social skills to survive in the world. Not anymore.


yeah this just isn't a bad thing and i meant proof of young adults being infantilised because "they start working/training for industrial jobs later/when they want to" and "age segregation" are infact hogwash lol

>It’s now about smothering kids, forcing them into extracurricular activities and “family fun”.


families always used to do this btw

> conservative culture was even worse. Adults could and often did molest and beat kids for their own authoritarian gratification.


i don't want to revert to any past that is your idea

>Humans recognized that puberty was the metric of biological maturation. Why else did we have rites of passage?


"why else did we do this nonsensical shit in the past" this cannot be your only justification lmao and puberty hasn't been the metric of biological maturity in like a century

autonomous personhood doesn't mean anything this is almost as bad as the other retard trying to use "rights"

>For someone that’s dedicated to a more efficient form of civility, you’re awfully ignorant about a lot of the social constructs that you’re growing up under.


i couldn't care less i am here to abolish the present sate of all things and establish a future
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 No.12403

>>12402
>childbirth is explicitly not a measure of biological maturity as you can have kids at a very young age but are 100% likely to die and erection and ejaculation really uygha these things don't scientifically prove biological maturity

Then what is?

>yeah this just isn't a bad thing and i meant proof of young adults being infantilised because "they start working/training for industrial jobs later/when they want to" and "age segregation" are infact hogwash lol


There’s no reasoning with you is there?
Young people are barred/discouraged from work. And they’re barred from learning from adults apart from teachers.
They’re not taught about worldly affairs at all. They’re barred from learning about adulthood except in the academic aspect.
They’re forced to be pets, subject oonly to unworldly things.
Young people would rather start training early if given the choice

>"why else did we do this nonsensical shit in the past" this cannot be your only justification lmao and puberty hasn't been the metric of biological maturity in like a century


Because we took young people out of the workforce permanently and placed them in compulsory high school

>autonomous personhood doesn't mean anything this is almost as bad as the other retard trying to use "rights"


If autonomy is a spooo to you, then your philosophy means nothing because your philosophy cannot come about without autonomy.

>correct me if im wrong but your point was that school is bad because of how it was designed to socialize people but thats what i said there (in which i kinda disagree it does each people some things they will nee for higher education but yeah it is mostly to train people)


Schooling exists for “socialization”

>that just isn't the reason why people with higher education cn't find jobs lol, "nor will it ever require most people needing that training for most of their lives."

yes people are getting stuck in a customer service jobs because we live in a service economy so again putting people into industrial training earlier will not help them

This is such copium. Yes we live in a customer service economy but that’s due to mainly overpromotion of ccollege education and outsourcing. BBlue collar skills were removed from schools from the 1970s thru tthe early 2000s

>families always used to do this btw


Yea but not the way they do nowadays.

>whatever retard look at any study ever schooling is far better cognitively than working from a younger age


That’s mainly due to academia bias. Learning is good if it’s practical skills but by itself it doesn’t mean anything.
Plenty of kids go to school from infancy into early adulthood and they’re so clueless on life skills.
And they’re not all down pat in academic skills either. And it’s not due to laziness either

Academia assumes that higher education is the only essence in modern life. It seeks to replace industrial and life skills.


>being in the same biochronological means nothing if their actual ages and maturity are in two different completely places


You’re being ignorant. You’re telling me that fourteen year old and a twelve year old aren’t the same level of age and maturity?

Age-based maturity in our modern society is highly artificial due to age segregation.
Also, schools around the world outside the K-12 system do multi-age classes.

>i couldn't care less i am here to abolish the present sate of all things and establish a future


Doubt.jpg

You wish to keep young people out of blue collar training and work.
That’s already the current order

You wish to suppress youth sexuality
That’s already the current order

You rationalize the social construct that is adolescence
That’s the current order

You have dismissed my opinions as “reactionary hogwash from the past”

To abolish the current order will have to mean to pick up that “brownoid reactionary hogwash” you despise.

Idk if you realize, but the twenties is being regarded as the second decade of adolescence.
The average postboomer adult has a llack of life skills. They don’t eeven know how to rizz up the opposite sex.

You’re inconsistent.
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 No.12404

>>12402
>autonomous personhood doesn't mean anything this is almost as bad as the other retard trying to use "rights

Care to explain?
Because how else can people mature without personhood?

Are you saying personhood doesn’t apply to young people or it doesn’t apply to people in general?
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 No.12405

https://www.marxists.org/archive/zetkin/1925/lenin/zetkin2.htm

Lenin sprang to his feet, slapped the table with his hand and paced up and down the room.

“The revolution calls for concentration and rallying of every nerve by the masses and by the individual. It does not tolerate orgiastic conditions so common among d’Annunzio’s decadent heroes and heroines. Promiscuity in sexual matters is bourgeois. It is a sign of degeneration. The proletariat is a rising class. It does not need an intoxicant to stupefy or stimulate it, neither the intoxicant of sexual laxity or of alcohol. It should and will not forget the vileness, the filth and the barbarity of capitalism. It derives its strongest inspiration to fight from its class position, from the communist ideal. What it needs is clarity, clarity, and more clarity. Therefore, I repeat, there must be no weakening, no waste and no dissipation of energy Self-control and self-discipline are not slavery; not in matters of love either. But excuse me, Clara, I have strayed far from the point which we set out to discuss. Why have you not called me to order? Worry has set me talking. I take the future of our youth very close to heart. It is part and parcel of the revolution. Whenever harmful elements appear, which creep from bourgeois society to the world of the revolution and spread like the roots of prolific weeds, it is better to take action against them quickly. The questions we have dealt with are also part of the women’s problems.”



https://www.marxists.org/archive/zetkin/1925/lenin/zetkin2.htm

Before I could answer Lenin continued: “The record of your sins, Clara, is even worse. I have been told that at the evenings arranged for reading and discussion with working women, sex and marriage problems come first. They are said to be the main objects of interest in your political instruction and educational work. I could not believe my ears when I heard that. The first state of proletarian dictatorship is battling with the counter-revolutionaries of the whole world. The situation In Germany itself calls for the greatest unity of all proletarian revolutionary forces, so that they can repel the counter-revolution which is pushing on. But active Communist women are busy discussing sex problems and the forms of marriage ‘past, present and future’. They consider it their most important task to enlighten working women on these questions. It is said that a pamphlet on the sex question written by a Communist authoress from Vienna enjoys the greatest popularity. What rot that booklet is! The workers read what is right in it long ago in Bebel. Only not in the tedious, cut-and-dried form found in the pamphlet but in the form of gripping agitation that strikes out at bourgeois society. The mention of Freud’s hypotheses is designed to give the pamphlet a scientific veneer, but it is so much bungling by an amateur. Freud’s theory has now become a fad. I mistrust sex theories expounded in articles, treatises, pamphlets, etc. in short, the theories dealt with in that specific literature which sprouts so luxuriantly on the dung heap of bourgeois society. I mistrust those who are always absorbed in the sex problems, the way an Indian saint is absorbed In the contemplation of his navel.

“It seems to me that this superabundance of sex theories, which for the most part are mere hypotheses, and often quite arbitrary ones, stems from a personal need. It springs from the desire to justify one’s own abnormal or excessive sex life before bourgeois morality and to plead for tolerance towards oneself. This veiled respect for bourgeois morality is as repugnant to me as rooting about in all that bears on sex. No matter how rebellious and revolutionary it may be made to appear, it is in the final analysis thoroughly bourgeois. Intellectuals and others like them are particularly keen on this. There is no room for it in the Party, among the class-conscious, fighting proletariat.”
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 No.12411

>>12403
>Then what is? its not any one thing its the many markers of biology which averages out to 20

>Young people are barred/discouraged from work. And they’re barred from learning from adults apart from teachers.

They’re not taught about worldly affairs at all. They’re barred from learning about adulthood except in the academic aspect.
They’re forced to be pets, subject oonly to unworldly things.

funny how none of these things are true teenagers can get jobs? explain how they can't learn from other people? they are taught now more than ever through the news/social media and even in there classes, that isn't bad the academic aspect is just currently flawed and what do you mean pets? you just said they have autonomy at the age of 13? many still train early but the majority would rather go to higher education (barring western societies where the people cant attend due to financial reasons)

>Because we took young people out of the workforce permanently and placed them in compulsory high school


you have yet to show any proof as to why schooling hasn't only improved peoples cognitive skills and others

>If autonomy is a spooo to you, then your philosophy means nothing because your philosophy cannot come about without autonomy.


whats a spooo your idea of autonomous personhood is simply a bourgeois abstract

>Schooling exists for “socialization”


this just isn't true lmao its moreso for preparing people the workforce and teaching them the basics of accumulated human knowledge

>that’s due to mainly overpromotion of ccollege education and outsourcing.


you're only right on the outsourcing part and thats directly because of the switch to financial capitalism and blue collar skills being removed is apart of this too but mainly because its "better" (for the bourgeois economy) to make vocational schools the norm so people would have to pay (though some highschools do have that)

>Yea but not the way they do nowadays.


what other way is there

>Academia assumes that higher education is the only essence in modern life.


this is again just a fault of the recent educational policies but i know they teach some life skills just last year was i taking a class about finances and no not every person needs to know industrial skills

> You’re telling me that fourteen year old and a twelve year old aren’t the same level of age and maturity?


yes I am telling you that lmao? it does correlate alot but sure it is flawed and the us has multi age classes too

>You wish to keep young people out of blue collar training and work.


young people still have these things brainlet ohmygod

>You wish to suppress youth sexuality


this isn't the current order we've already talked about the "sexual revolution" that was hosted by feminists

>You rationalize the social construct that is adolescence


as did the ussr so based

>dismissed my opinions as “reactionary hogwash from the past”


you tell me how defending past structures not based on science isn't that

>but the twenties is being regarded as the second decade of adolescence.


by who the people in their 20s? lol

>>12404

hes arguing in favor of the "personhood" that is defined by an individual with abstract rights which marx rejected as am i

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