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Fuck that, how is that not slavery? Slaves got food too, they literally universally got the basics.

I hate that reddit robot che too, that makes me think UBI isn't a good thing even more.

Maybe if instead of salaries everyone got an equal UBI every month and that's it, do whatever you want with that, that might be closer to socialism, but tbqh the people that work should get more. Pensions are OK too, I can't think of a better system for that.

What is even the point of UBI?  If it covers the cost of subsistence and no more, then why not simply provide the commodities themselves rather than go through the extra step of giving people money that is supposedly worth their value?  So they can pick which brands they want to buy at the store?  Nonsense.  Only the cheapest brands would survive the implementation anyway, thus leaving no options for consumers.  If UBI covers more than basic subsistence, then why would anybody be stupid enough to work for a salary?  Subsistence without debt is already a step ahead of where workers are at the moment.  If it would be giving workers more valuable commodities than they currently receive through paid labor, then where are the commodities coming from?  Who makes them?  Who buys them, and with what money?

UBI just does not make any practical sense without a command economy with a central government functioning as a universal bourgeois class or a gift economy in which case UBI would be redundant anyway.

>>13638
Why link to Google?  Can we not embed Invidious links here?  Let me try.  …Nope, I guess not.  That sucks.  Still not using Google.

Why do you specify men? Do you seriously think that only men are used for hard labor? Or that hard labor is obolete?

Your premise is wrong.

Men need UBI not because of "gender role obsolence" but because theyre struggking to get by.

>>13640
What do you consider "hard labor?"

>>13636
>>13637
Implementation of UBI is part of a greater discussion to reform the social contract. No one expects this reform is possible with revolution, it is too complex and has to be implemented rationally. The wealth of the nation lies in infrastructure, systems and resources and the current economic structure allows arbitrage profits by private rights. For UBI to be implemented tax on resources, use of common waste, new infrastructure for both urban and rural policy has to be put in place. That way UBI would be enough for a minimum basket of goods.

>>13638
One-paragraph Marxist summary (AI)
Cockshott argues that UBI is best understood not as an emancipatory guarantee of livelihood, but as a mechanism for reducing the cost of labour-power to capital. By paying workers a universal sum that can be combined with very low wages, UBI allows employers to pay below the normal reproduction cost of labour while the state socialises the difference. Historically, this connects to Friedman/Hayek negative income tax and to New Labour tax credits: both subsidised low-wage employers. His critique of the "robots are taking our jobs" case is that the real problem under neoliberalism is not excessive automation but wage suppression discouraging productivity-enhancing investment. A livable UBI would require such heavy taxation of ordinary earners that it becomes a circular redistribution harming pensioners, average workers, and two-earner households; an affordable UBI would be too small to live on and would simply become another employer subsidy. Thus, from a Marxist perspective, UBI preserves the wage relation, weakens labour's bargaining position, retards development of the productive forces, and functions as a crisis-management device for low-productivity capitalism rather than a step toward a post-work society.

>>13639
Who gives a shit who hosts it? Use yt-dlp to download it then, or use new pipe on android to watch it. When capitalism gives you things for free, exploit them for our own benefit.

>Marxist materialism proves robowaifus will save men.
Now this is something that can spark a revolution!