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 No.17

This is Melanie King, a Youtuber that gives dating advice to women. While not obstinately red pilled, her critiques of modern women closely follow those of incel ideology.
That women have a SMV (Sexual Market Value) that declines as they age and or have children, that there are winners and losers in this market (Chads and Betas) and the 80/20 rule, 80% of women are going after the top 20% of men.
I've been seeing more mainstream incel sympathizing, or manosphere channels popping up on YouTube. Which is interesting because around 2014-2015 YouTube waged a fatwa on such content and killed all the traffic and success that early Manosphere content creators were enjoying at the time like Sandman who had something like 100k+ subscribers before the YouTube incel purge.
And you can't ignore that this woman is really attractive, which makes it a lot harder to dismiss her critique as sour grapes. Regardless, such an attractive women publicly espousing Red Pill/Incel ideology would have been unheard of even a few years ago, and now there's an entire echo system .
To be fair to King, she would say that her views of women are informed by her religion, and not incels.
Have you all seen more incel sympathizing median in the mainstream or near mainstream.
I think incels and men's grievance with feminism over all are becoming to big to ignore and are beginning to reach critical mass.
Here's a link to her channel, it's quite well established.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRZAEjMsDpiuVWQk8-OIf9A
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>>17
Here's a better picture of her.
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 No.19

>such an attractive women publicly espousing Red Pill/Incel ideology
100 percent grifter.
>I think incels and men's grievance with feminism over all are becoming too big to ignore and are beginning to reach critical mass
I agree but not much can be done.
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 No.20

>>19
>100 percent grifter.
Nah, not everyone making money on a cause is a grifter. The way she so readily accepts Red pill and manosphere ideas make me believe she really does believe it.
And her content is aimed at women not males. If she wanted to grift she’d just become a feminist.
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 No.21

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>>17
Social relations are now expressed in economic terms, and people are being compared to commodities. I haven't a clue about Melanie king or the manosphere, but it saddens me greatly that ideology has gone that far already.
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 No.22

>>21
I think you're navie to think it wasn't always this way.
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 No.23

>>21
Idealogies are always based on material conditions. You should be sad that dating got so bad for so many that it spawed these ideologies. Not that the ideolgoies themselves caught on.
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 No.24

>>23
*spawned
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 No.156

>>20
>>21
Relationships are gamified in some circles of the internet. I feel that living in this hellscape of social conservatism, hegemony of capital, and violence of the state and the minority who controls it are responsible for a hardening of attitudes regarding sexual partnerships.

It becomes a problem to optimize. Solve for optimal sex. Solve for optimal psychological well-being. Solve for career advancement. Solve for properly optimized offspring. It's no different from selecting what institute you will attend after high school, which courses you will take to secure a desired position in society seeking positive outcomes in life.

The woolly free-love kind of romantic concept has been rejected by an increasing number of people who in the face of a hardscrabble world, seek out materially beneficial arrangements. It's not just "incel ideology". Female Dating Strategy (FDS) and associated communities and attitudes are spreading amongst women. It represents the embrace of traditional attitudes towards marriage. Returning to "pragmatism" is not a hard sell when the common folk need to be awful pragmatic about budgets and living arrangements and exploitative working conditions.

Women are a part of the formulation and enforcement of the memes that enslave them in the same way that men are. We are all participants and authors in this game. The thing that makes people like her and the incels so seemingly anachronistic is that the old rules of the game are changing rapidly (via industrialized society and technology), so much so that nobody knows what they are yet and we have yet to reach a stable equilibrium. Think less "evolutionary psychology" and more game theory. They are easy to mix up. Evo-psych just adds bullshit explanations on top and asserts that shit is inherent to our nature because Le Neutral Selekchion. Truthfully it is a game. But as the conditions have changed and the rules are in dispute, there's room right now for a lot of chaotic moves and unorthodox playstyles.

So the best these people have is to hold on to the tried and true rules that got us this far. Played skillfully, even the old meta can stay potent against new and uncoordinated challengers.

Schizo TLDR:
This is not going away until we figure out how to make sex sane in a post-internet, post 70's feminist world. Capitalism is making this worse. And the failure of the sexual revolution to achieve more than hedonistic commoditization of sex is an enormous tragedy.
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 No.157

>>156
To making dating sane again you have to abolish child support, circumcisions, legalize porn, sex doll brothels develop a male birth control pill and lift travel restrictions so that men can find brides overseas. Nothing short of this will end the madness.

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