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How come people don't want to work hard?
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▶ No.183

>>182 (OP)
People don't want to work for capitalist bosses, in the eyes of the capitalist bosses that becomes nobody wants to work in general, because obviously they can't imagine them selves being part of the motivation problem.

Marx thought that when class society was overcome, work would become live's prime want. This will be true to an extend non-alienated work can be extremely rewarding in a way that waging for porky can never be. But realistically there is work that is just dread-full regardless of the social relations.
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▶ No.389

this is the same retort as "kids these days have no respect for their elders".

And the irony is, just like the OP, every generation of greying senescent adults always seem to forget that they were in the scope of pathologising back in their heyday.
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If I owned a house and didn't have a mortgage I genuinely just wouldn't work. I would leech off state benefits for the rest of my life and make extra money where I could online.

There is nothing that thoroughly demoralises me more than spending 8 hours a day doing something I hate, somewhere I hate, with people I hate, just to make some prick even richer. It makes me want to tear my hair out.
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▶ No.391>>398

>>182 (OP)
Why would I work hard to make some asshole rich at a company that doesn't do anything for me or anyone I know? Also now I'm hyper aware that my taxes may be used to fund genocide in Palestine and other seriously fucked up shit, so that makes me wanna work even less.

You see the whole thing Marx was talking about when he was discussing alienation from one's own labour is basically because when you work for a corporation you don't really care about what you're producing: you just want to get paid your wage and get the fuck out. Your boss also doesn't care about what the company makes so long as it sells. So the thing you're doing doesn't matter, your work feels like it doesn't matter and at the end of the day you don't even get to take home what you created so I don't even understand how and why people keep putting up with this bullshit day to day.
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>>390
You are a lying child who doesn't really understand how the world works yet. When you realize how empty it feels sitting around cooming and doing nothing all day every day you'll change you mind. I used to be exactly like this, but, after I started working I changed a lot. I like work, I like my job, but, it's not the work that is bad. It's how the work is done (or forced to be done; standing for 12 hours straight) and how long we have to do it. That is the real issue which a socialist society would have delt with because workers would not have to work as hard and as long, ideally, in a socialist society.
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>>390
>I would leech off state benefits
And how pays the taxes? Being NEET is just oppressing the working class with extra steps.
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▶ No.397>>399

>>392
Theyre not a lying child. Theyre a disgruntled manchild.

Also, proos for loving your work. Imo, school is more soul crushing than work.
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▶ No.398

>>391
>>393
The future of capitalism is 90% of the population living off government neetbux plus gig-work income supplementation.

>>391
>I'm hyper aware that my taxes may be used to fund genocide in Palestine
Most of that money goes to the weapons industry. They didn't have to slaughter the Palestinians. They used to just bribe politicians who fear-mongered to justify defense spending.

>>392
>no work: feel empty
>work: get exploited
damned if you do, damned if you don't
>the real issue: no socialist society
yeah
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>>392
>>397
Cope.
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>>399
Im actually about to finance a house but I work in a factory not an office like maggot. I also just bought a nice sports car, so…but keep telling yourself you're thismhiga chadfightingmthensystem behind your jizz covered keyboard, loser.
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>>400
flash forward
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>>400
>proud of being a debt slave
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▶ No.406>>408

>>405
>Ye…yeah well you're just a debt slave!

Whatever you say retard. It's called being financially responsible. My credit score is like 700.
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▶ No.408

>>406
>LOOK AT MUH EXPLOITABLITY SCORE!
>IM NOT A SLAVE, IM "FINANCIALLY RESPONSIBLE"
yeah, uh huh. *SIP*
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▶ No.425>>428>>430

The only people who don't want to work hard are the bourgeoisie. Regular people actually do want to work hard but they can't, ironically because they have to go and spend all their time and energy at their job, which also doesn't pay them enough to take time off for any self-actualizing work they might want to do.
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▶ No.428>>430

>>425
Its more lumpenproles whom are avoidant of hard work.

Alot of these lazy ass manchikdren like on on the Antiwork subreddit

Mostly secondary adolescents whom are butthurt that their high school/college fun days are finally over.
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>>425
>self-actualizing work
<denied to regular people
Yes that is true, but it's not just because the bourg is stealing time and energy, it's also a lack of resources and spaces.

>>428
You are a reactionary that is trying to punch down. Try blaming the people at the top of society instead, those are responsible.
Capitalism creates lumpenproles because it's not doing full employment.
Capitalism demoralizes the natural work-ethic that all people have by being decent-wage avoidant.
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>>430
We actually have plently of resources and space but capitalism is just really shitty at allocating these resources. Based on shitting on the reactionary faggot anon, though.
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▶ No.432

>>431
>We actually have plently of resources and space but capitalism is just really shitty at allocating these resources.
That's sort of what i meant.
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▶ No.435>>437>>438

>>430
Thats a fair point but theres still alot of bad actors.

Alot of lumpenproles, at least where Ivlive, they came from well off homes but they splurged.
They wasted away their prime on booze, drugs, and fights.
And now they think the world owes them something just because they were the last generation grow up before the Internet.


Byt ok, if proles cannot be blamed why do adults blame children for the state if academia?
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▶ No.437

>>435
>Thats a fair point
So why do you continue your attempts at punching down ?
>but theres still alot of bad actors.
the much bigger problem is the bad system

If you have a system that screws people over, it tends to attempt to demonize it's victims. If you partake in this praxis, you'll just making me think you're part of the perpetrators. People are what they are, you have to make the system fit the people, otherwise the system is wrong.

>generation before the internet vs generation after the internet
>adults vs children
I'm sorry but those divisions don't make a lot of sense. It's usually the rulers vs the masses.
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▶ No.438

>>435
>why do adults blame children for the state if academia?
There is a kernel of truth in this sentiment.
We probably should invert some of the evaluations mechanic in education.
For example we could test explanations for their potential to enable children to learn and understand, rather than doing it the other way around.
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>>392
>>400
Does the boss man give wagies a script to read from or what
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▶ No.445

>>444
If true, that piss man should be fired from the economy for such inefficiency in running business & get all his stuff redistributed to the demos who's running this cuntry.
Imagine ever wasting your time on shitty proles when every respectable citizen knows that the responsibility of supporting the ideology of class society is on the slaves themselves, not on their natural masters.

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