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 No.683

Unless you find your dream job and strike it rich, what is the point? To eventually get a house which you don’t even really own? Yours always paying shit anyways. Would rather play Overwatch.
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 No.684

>Unless you find your dream job and strike it rich, what is the point?
To have money to live and buy stuff.

I mean, that's why people work jobs today. You know, for food. For shelter. For utility bills. Those are the primary reasons that people work jobs. You could also work to fund revolution if you like.

Now, if you want to understand why shelter is so insanely unaffordable, why people end up renting their entire lives or taking on mortgages their entire lives where they're forever paying the bank interest for their homes, that's another question. The answer is out-of-control land speculation.

The deal has gotten worse in recent years than it was some 50 years ago, and it will keep getting worse.

There's something to say for un-alienated labor, though. On communes, work is basically entirely purposeful. If you're washing dishes, it is so the dishes are clean. If you're cooking, it is so there is food. If you're building a new house on the land, it's so there's a new house. If you're donating to the library, it's so there are more books to read. If you're shoveling the out house, it's so the big pile of shit doesn't overflow. You understand the purpose of the labor, and the reward is the completion of a task and fulfillment of common goals, and that feels different from a lot of jobs where you're just doing whatever bullshit your boss tells you and you don't even know how much money is being made at the company compared to how much you're paid in wages. It's actually a very profound thing in a situation where alienation from every aspect of labor is the norm.
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 No.685

>>684
>I mean, that's why people work jobs today. You know, for food. For shelter. For utility bills. Those are the primary reasons that people work jobs. You could also work to fund revolution if you like.
No shit, Sherlock. Next you’ll tell me that boots taste better without laces
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 No.686

>>685
uygha you're the one who asked.
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 No.721

>The raising of wages excites in the worker the capitalist’s mania to get rich, which he, however, can only satisfy by the sacrifice of his mind and body. The raising of wages presupposes and entails the accumulation of capital, and thus sets the product of labor against the worker as something ever more alien to him. Similarly, the division of labor renders him ever more one- sided and dependent, bringing with it the competition not only of men but also of machines.
<Since the worker has sunk to the level of a machine, he can be confronted by the machine as a competitor.
Finally, as the amassing of capital increases the amount of industry and therefore the number of workers, it causes the same amount of industry to manufacture a larger amount of products, which leads to over-production and thus either ends by throwing a large section of workers out of work or by reducing their wages to the most miserable minimum. Such are the consequences of a state of society most favorable to the worker — namely, of a state of growing, advancing wealth.
>Eventually, however, this state of growth must sooner or later reach its peak. What is the worker’s position now?


When are American office drones going to figure out no one is coming to save them?
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 No.722

>what is the point?
To be able to afford treats and you buy treats and enjoy those treats.

And then revolt when those treats diminish.
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 No.723

>>683
To have enough to get kids and maintain a life for them.
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 No.724

>>723
There are already no jobs for young people so what is your plan for this "life"? Does the plan end at age 18?
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 No.725

>>724
I want them to have more kids so we can eventually live in a utopia.
>There are already no jobs for young people so what is your plan for this "life"?
That's true, but everything always happens. There will always be a job and if there are no jobs, that just means people are not looking hard enough. Or my kids can get their own jobs.
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 No.726

>>725
>There will always be a job and if there are no jobs, that just means people are not looking hard enough.
No it doesn't.

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