/WRK/ - Wagie and Work

>>762
It might be possible, I became a software engineer and I dropped out of school. However I've been programming since middle school and I can point to a ton of personal projects - tbqh I have probably written more code outside of a job than my friends with masters degrees.

So what I'm saying is have projects and a portfolio, not sure what that means in a cybersecurity context though.

>>763
I guess with a cybersec context it would by like one of those tryhackme labs. With sysadmin it would probably be homelabbing with extensive documentation and screen captures to prove it was you? Although one of the questions ive asked myself is why would an employer choose someone with no degree over someone with one. I guess just simply having extensive, high level projects could be the answer though HR is pretty shitty and ATS doesnt help the situation any. And the only option for prior work woukd be help desk or SOC analyst, maybe that would add to the portfolio.

>>764
>someone with no degree over someone with one.
Well for one thing they get to pay you less.

Hmm yeah you're going to have to think of something meaningful to work on. Maybe for inspiration look at this devops project: https://gitlab.com/simple-nixos-mailserver/nixos-mailserver
Email is stupid hard to self-host (IMO), and this makes it very easy. It has really good documentation as well.

You should probably learn kubernetes then, even though I don't like it if you want to do sysadmin stuff it's the industry standard. But for hobby stuff nixos is the way to go.

>and ATS doesnt help the situation any.
What's ATS?

>>765
>You should probably learn kubernetes then
I was looking into it and saw a lot about redhat openshift, it seems to make k8s easier. I have also seen a good chunk of job postings ask for openshift experience.
>What's ATS?
ATS is applicant tracking system, its an automated tool that filters out candidates based on certain keywords. It seems to cause lots of people issues even those with good resumes. I remeber hearing a pretty concerning statistic of ATS filtering out a high number of applicants with those resumes never even being seen by humans.

Its insane to me that we live in a society where we must slave away and even slaving away to a decent job is this difficult and competitive.

>>766
Oh fuck I hate everything to do with job applications. It's the most degrading shit ever. Why must I solicit whoring myself out, at least in slavery the slaves were guaranteed an existence.

Well maybe there's a way to game the system, prompt engineer ourselves to the top. I have had recruiters in the past even tell me: you need more keywords type shit.

>>765
>Email is stupid hard to self-host (IMO), and this makes it very easy.
Email self-hosting is a good privacy practice in general in addition to being good for your portfolio, I say it's a great idea. Though Nextcloud is better since it has other services like cloud storage.

>>764
>why would an employer choose someone with no degree over someone with one
maybe personality

>>767
Is it worth asking some of these questioms in an E-mail to a few employers (both those that list accepting applicants without a degree and those that dont specifically mention it/say a degree is preferred over just a HS diploma and certificates?)

Ive been wondering how true it is if some of these companies do in fact consider non degree holders for jobs the same as those who have 4 year degrees.

I first got the idea that I could get an IT role without degrees from:
>https://odysee.com/@AlphaNerd:8/why-certs-are-better-than-degrees-for:9

And:
>https://odysee.com/@AlphaNerd:8/the-absolute-state-of-college:a

I looked into it more and found articles and other forum discussions that seem to validate that its possible and given that college is extremely time consuming and expensive, I figured this was a good idea. Anyways sorry for the long post just have had a lot on my mind and preasure from some family.

>>770
>Is it worth asking some of these questioms in an E-mail to a few employers
Your best bet is to find where your colleagues are online. This might mean going on reddit, but you need to find your people and get concrete advice.

IRL is even better, ask around if anyone knows a guy works in a field, and just call them up to have a chat. People are down to give professional advice.

Lastly, to your other point, you obviously need to be competent to get a job, and be able to show that so that might mean this is going to be a hobby before it is a profession. If you're passionate about it you can do it. If you aren't, then actually college (if you can afford it) is a better idea since you have a definite timeline where you come out qualified.