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 No.845[View All][Watch Thread]>>9220

This is a red-blooded Soviet mech. Say something nice about it!
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 No.5293>>5299>>5310

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One more thing. For posterity's sake.
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 No.5299>>5307

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>>5293
The early pelycosaurs with teensy tiny heads were all herbivorous. Same for ankylosaur and stegosaur dinosaurs. I don't think Godzilla has ever been depicted as a herbivore.
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 No.5307

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>>5299
>Same for anylosaur and stegosaur
Hmm, that's true. Was going for the "It's not that weird" angle with cotylorhynchus.

Then there's this thing.
>It is larger than any other known predatory archosaur from the Late Triassic or Early Jurassic of central Europe.
They're not even sure if it's a dinosaur or a pseudosuchian. Speaking of, godzilla could totally work as a pseudosuchian.
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 No.5310>>5338>>5340

>>5291
>I also posted somewhere
YES! I recognize this post, I argued with you on this last time on 8ch, LOL.
>humans in kaiju films usually work better when they're treated as a collective instead of giving too much focus on a single person.
This basically. It's why Shin Godzilla was great IMO. A few 'main characters' who were constantly supplemented with other characters, and not on the forefront too much either.
>awed or tense
I can agree there. However with the airport scene as an example, they do the same issue over and over again - building up the tension and then just as Godzilla comes on screen or the Kaiju begin to do something, they cut away. I wouldn't even mind the cut-aways if they showed at least the beginning of one of the incoming fights for a moment before doing that.
>the overhead view of goji swimming between the carriers
A good shot I'll give you that
>or the jets falling helplessly into the ocean
Basically all the trailer shots like those were epic, i's really why I was so disappointed wit a lot of the rest of it.
>2014 is not as dark as the concept trailer
What I mean is that it goes for this dark disaster type movie, but the over-acting (or insufficient acting) by most characters is annoying and they don't make deaths or destruction feel like anything important, it feels like a poorly acted theatrical tragedy that isn't bad enough to be funny, and isn't good enough to praise. The plane scene before they air-drop is so generic you could splice it with Suicide Squad's scene.
>Getting some pretty mixed messages from KOTM.
Well to be fair, that's literally every Godzilla movie featuring other monsters. KOTM streamlined a long history of cheesy sci-fi weapons/technology/vehicles and monster melee plots - you have the Ghidorah space intruder (1964), you have the Guardian Godzilla, you have SuperNuclear Godzilla (1995), an Oxygen Destroyer device (1954) and more. And it even references some things like Godzilla the Animated Series (1998) with Rodan being in Mexico. The ending also sequel-baits for Mecha-Ghidorah (1991). This is a lot of work to put into 1 film.
And the serious scenes contrasting with other silly character scenes works because the silly scenes are never during or with the serious ones and while the movie takes ITSELF seriously, the film-makers are obviously just having fun.
>That's not cool?
If it was it's own film yes, but a long history of atomic beams and other breath attacks makes it less impressive to me.
>The Next
?
>he's fat
Basically this. KOTM lengthened the neck and widened the shoulders enough so that he looked balanced and not like a child's drawing of a dinosaur with a teeny head.
>longer toe claws
It's a small but noticeable detail that changes how he looks when standing or charging.
>garegoji moving with any unnatural haste or grace
It's more that the shoulders and body rolled unnaturally at times, and then other times he can barely move, like an over-stuffed doll with stiff joints.
>Sauropods existed
&lthoofed crocodiles
TRUE, BUT they were quadrupedal animals and Godzilla is very much a bipedal one, like a therapod dinosaur, hence the clawed feet.
>>5293
And coylorhynchus looks absurd (and is a herbivore)
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 No.5323

>>5279
The only "good" guys in Frontier are the archetypal private military contractors mavericks that tend to show up in fiction with military setting.

Kawamori is kinda like the "wow cool robot!" guy, he just added "wow hot idols!" into mix.
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 No.5338>>5342

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>>5310
Was kinda wondering if anybody remembered but turns you're the same anon!

>It's why Shin Godzilla was great IMO. A few 'main characters' who were constantly supplemented with other characters, and not on the forefront too much either.

Precisely, unless, they have some good or batshit insane ideas for a main character that would keep viewer's interest besides the spectacle. I made another post (again, don't remember where) where I half-jokingly proposed "Nightcrawler but with kaiju". An obsessed kaiju-chaser that would do anything to capture the perfect moment. Would be hilarious and horrifying.

>they cut away. I wouldn't even mind the cut-aways if they showed at least the beginning of one of the incoming fights for a moment before doing that.

I believe it's just that, at this point, I've grown to focus on what's there more than what's not. A half full/half empty thing. It would've been nice to see more but that doesn't make the scenes that are there any less good. And there's plenty, I think. The bridge scene for example is pure scale porn. Not that kind, dummy.

>A good shot I'll give you that

It also highlights why I prefer his old fins. The main three rows that stick out when submerged is a pretty iconic part of garegoji. It's the first thing we see when he surfaces in Hawaii. The new busier design wouldn't look as good in these kinds of moments imo.

>all the trailer shots like those were epic, i's really why I was so disappointed wit a lot of the rest of it.

That's what I feel about KOTM. Some of the problems you have with 2014 are the same problems I have with the sequel. I don't remember much action or money shots in 2014's trailers though.

>it goes for this dark disaster type movie

Wait, let me rephrase myself. I don't think 2014 is dark at all! It's just plain serious.

>KOTM streamlined a long history of cheesy sci-fi

Referencing or, even better, integrating older stuff is perfectly fine but some of them just feel really shallow. It comes off more like the "nerd-bait" stuff you'd find in franchises like Star Wars or capeshit.
>And the serious scenes contrasting with other silly character scenes works because the silly scenes are never during or with the serious ones and while the movie takes ITSELF seriously, the film-makers are obviously just having fun.
Tone is the biggest problem I have with it. Pacific Rim achieved this just fine while I don't think KOTM really did. One moment, goji's fins literally light up like lightbulbs. Next, Sally Hawkins gets fuckin' flattened (RIP, what a waste). Or when the fodder says a clearly comedic "oh shit" before being vaporised. What? Every blockbuster seems to require these off-kilter moments of levity that any sensible viewer would find cringeworthy and out of place. Old stuff is usually [b]unintentionally[/b] funny and this ain't a comedy, so why even?

>KOTM lengthened the neck and widened the shoulders enough so that he looked balanced

I honestly don't notice any changes beyond the major three. He still looks like a chonker at times. The base design is simply wide front to back. He looks pretty normal head-on. It's similar to how a theropod looks smaller from the front.
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 No.5340

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>>5310
Btw,
>?
My favourite ultra-ray.
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 No.5341>>5424

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Reminder that Discotek are gonna release Acrobunch on blu-ray in February and that they're having a stream on the 14th that'll have more announcements:

https://mobile.twitter.com/discotekmedia/status/1336386140325068800
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 No.5342>>5546

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>>5338
>An obsessed kaiju-chaser that would do anything to capture the perfect moment. Would be hilarious and horrifying.
Sounds like me TBH
>The bridge scene for example is pure scale porn
&ltnot that kind
Yeah that was a fairly decent scene, You know what you were doing!.
>The fins
The fins were an unecessary change I'll grant you that. They certainly were striking when we see the 'atom bomb' footage where the hulking mass rises out of the depths back first.
>It's just plain serious
which is why I dislike a lot of aspects. The funny and "oh shit" moments (like the train scene on Hawaii) were better than the poorly done human drama.
>comes off more like the "nerd-bait" stuff you'd find in franchises like Star Wars or capeshit
I suppose so, I enjoyed that meshing of storylines TBH. Only wished Mothra would have gotten more expansion
>Every blockbuster seems to require these off-kilter moments of levity that any sensible viewer would find cringeworthy and out of place
I mean that's true of a lot of films TBH, it was pure cheesiness
>He still looks like a chonker
The devil is in the details for me.
>similar to how a theropod looks smaller from the front
Aye, but the sideview was what bothered me in 2014.
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 No.5424>>5425

>>5341
they're live right now; started about ten minutes ago: https://www.twitch.tv/discotekmedia
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 No.5428>>5453>>9468

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>>5949
the comparison shots of the Project-Ako upscale are fucking magical https://twitter.com/discotekmedia/status/1338658093496877056
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 No.5453>>5469

>>5949
>>5428
Impressive, through I'm glad they're issuing "best of both worlds" SD BD releases, so we aren't stuck with a Faustian choice of either bitrate-restricted DVDs, or hamfistedly "enhanced" HD BD upscales.
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 No.5469

>>5453
Agreed; they even had a slide explaining why SD-BD's have become their format of choice for these kinds of shows.
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 No.5510>>5815>>7494>>7506

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So has anyone watched Dougram?
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 No.5546

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http://markwitton-com.blogspot.com/2014/05/godzilla-and-mutos-vs-birds-and-newts.html
A palaeontologist & palaeoartist's take on legendarygoji and the MUTOs. I think shaving off a bit of his width is fine but the general heft and proportions are what I like.

Regarding the brightness issue, they say it's something to do with a (faulty?) process during the transfer to home release versions. I myself have no recollection of 2014 being too dark to see in the 3 viewings I went to, for what it's worth. Thankfully some dedicated people have made efforts to remedy this.
"original theatrical MPC brightness":
https://youtu.be/IEieNNr_la4
Edits by fans:
https://youtu.be/PIjCt8M9XJI
https://youtu.be/dapz5q_vu84
https://youtu.be/dDlYl6EF2B0

There's a lot to appreciate with the absence of pitch-darkness. The way it's shot, animated, the scale, weight, even sound design. Things that I found not up to par in the sequel. With this, I find it harder to make out the details in KOTM due to the weather effects which obscures too much (compare with Pacific Rim) despite being not as dark and other times the camera/editing. 2014's day scenes are still fine and don't hide as much. The brightened night battle meanwhile not only reveals a lot more detail because of the lack of rain, but also showcases the solid cinematography and composition. Note how clear we can see the action in the closeups or the rooftop POV bits where soldiers are snuck into the foreground for scale.

The best/most interesting parts of KOTM for me are the visual flourishes which delve more into the mythical and fantastical, like Mark's painting above, provided the framing is good. It provides a contrast to how 2014 used "realism" to absolutely revel in the juxtaposition; the mere presence of these impossible beings disrupting the familiar human environment. When it's time to get up close and follow the action though, I think 2014 did it much better.

>>5342
Oh I meant the golden gate bridge. But yeah female MUTO scene applies too.
>"oh shit" moments (like the train scene on Hawaii) were better than the poorly done human drama.
The seriousness is not so much about the human drama, but how the kaiju were treated (by both filmmakers and characters, you get what I mean?) that made those moments really heavy and effective. I could just feel the scientists shit their pants when the MUTO popped out. I see lots of crazy stuff happen in KOTM but I don't feel it. It's more of an "oh, okay".
>Only wished Mothra would have gotten more expansion
Would've preffered a straight team-up with rodan too. Godzilla getting maimed in the first encounter, leading to Rodan and Mothra trying to take down Ghidorah from the skies. I didn't feel there was much build-up to KingG honestly.
>it was pure cheesiness
I was fine with Kong's tone but something about KOTM rubbed me the wrong way.

Seriously though, there's something off about how the CG looks. The animation (goji particularly), the way it's shot, the weather effects, the filters and overblown colours look more artificial compared to it's predecessors. Kong was more fun and colourful than 2014 but still had impressive visuals. In daytime, no less. The scale and weight were there even with the more kinetic camera. KOTM looks and feels more like an animated film in comparison.
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 No.5815

>>5510
I have. It's a bit of a slog, but it handles it's space politics better than a lot of other Sci-Fi shows in general, let alone anime. I'm not sure if I could recommend it just on that though.
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 No.7494

>>5510
A bit cringe story, but I wanted to watch it but knew I wouldn't have the motivation to watch all 70+ episodes, so I tried to convince my friends to start a Dougram watch-a-long podcast. Needless to say that didnt happen
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 No.7506

>>5510
aha he has the same hairline as me
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 No.8012>>8013

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Posting my initial thoughts on GvK from /GET/. I just realised a couple (or 3?) of the Uprising posts are missing but eh.

>visuals

So I saw the big monke movie. I think I had more fun with this than seeing KOTM in theatres. I'll focus on visuals as usual which I'd say is pretty darn good. I'd rate the setpieces higher but there were things I felt were lacking in retrospect. In some ways, it's closer to Uprising and KOTM yet it works a lot better. I wasn't really bothered by the faster pace of the action and animation. The quality of the kaiju CG also looks much like G14 and Skull Island although some moments like closeups of goji's face at night looks closer to KOTM. There's just something fake-looking about parts of KOTM to me, visually and animation-wise. Moreover, there's no constant, bland, inexpressive weather effects (which Pacific Rim did well) that somehow both obstructed the view and didn't help to cover said fakeness.

The moments with fancy camerawork are a treat. The camera in general is the best between it, Uprising and KOTM as it's able to showcase the fights clearly while not at all being dull like Uprising. There's no trouble following Uprising's action but most of the time it just looks so boring. That said, a thing I felt was missing was proper human perspective shots from both low and high areas. There's not enough moments like the rooftop and ground shots with people in the foreground in PR, G14 and SI that really put the scale of the kaiju in relation to humans. It would have elevated the setpieces immensely.

Overall, I still think G14 and SI have the best visuals of the series. While skullcrawlers don't have the star power of Mechagodzilla, looking at some scenes again make me appreciate the scale-establishing shots and slower, weightier animation of Skull Island all over again. Really, if not for Hiddleston's and Larson's useless characters preventing more focus on the actually interesting people, I'd put SI on the same level as G14 and PR.
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 No.8013

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>>8012

>story

The story is between 'okay' and 'eh'. Deaf little girl is actually the best human character. Kong using sign language is cool. The hollow earth stuff is both conceptually and visually interesting. Character moments for kaiju. Mechagodzilla. Plenty of neat stuff to work with. But there wasn't enough care and time dedicated to these things that are also bogged down by other nonsense. It all feels rushed, especially the final fight. The action could've slowed down at points just to let the moments sink in and breathe. It kinda feels like a lot of stuff was cut out to fit a 2 hour runtime. For example, the Japanese dude is literally named Serizawa yet I don't remember his relation to Ken Watanabe's character and motivations being explored. Not even a glimpse into the kaiju war too. They could've used it as the opening. Skull Island's opening was so cool.

If I've learned anything from Snyder, it's that "there's too many x in this movie" is a shit excuse to forget that movies can be longer than 2 hours. If you want to include and properly develop lots of stuff, then obviously more time should be dedicated to it. But I feel that even if it was 30 minutes or, hell, and hour longer I still wouldn't have that much hope. Moving away from the tone of G14 and killing off the OG Monarch duo was the least interesting thing they could've done. God forbid I ever get a sense of genuine awe and gravitas in kaiju movies again.
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 No.8026>>8324>>8352

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Would you count Hathaway as leftist?
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 No.8034

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Meanhaville in other Universe
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 No.8324>>8325

>>8026
Locations for the first film were scouted in Davao City, which is in the Philippines. Does the NPA still exist in the UC Timeline?
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 No.8325>>8339>>8370

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>>8324
By the way the first film is very good; picking Shūkō Murase (Ergo Proxy, Genocidal Organ) to direct was a great choice. I didn't know he served as animation director for the air raid sequence in F91, but having learned that this scene makes so much sense.
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 No.8339

>>8325
lots of blu-ray rips been dropping on nyaa these past couple days; someone please watch it and tell me what you think https://nyaa.si/?f=0&c=1_2&q=hathaway
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 No.8352

>>8026
Hathaway was so good.
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 No.8370

>>8325
>that sound design
oh lord i'm coomin
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 No.8406>>8420

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will there be gunpla in communism
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 No.8420>>8423

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>>8406
No, only resin garage kits.
Plastic crack was introduced into the Otaku community by the government to impoverish and weaken them
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 No.8423

>>8420
there will be a vibrant garage kit scene in socialism; this is what 21st century material culture looks like to me
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 No.9189>>9471

Did anyone watch Pacific Rim: The Black? It was weird but interesting IMO.
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 No.9190

Man I can't help but marvel at the grounded and interesting worldbuilding of old anime series compared to today. Gundam's Minovsky physics was amazing for example. Or the final bomb in Gunbuster.
https://gundam.fandom.com/wiki/Gundam_Wiki:Technology#Minovsky_Physics
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 No.9194>>9234

>>3781
It's definitely Nazi Germany but with some Soviet Aspects because Cold War. There really is no outright good side, the Federation is not much better than Zeon and vice versa.
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 No.9196

>>3072
Eh, personally I dislike this psychic teenager stuff because it feels like that "Soulmarked soulmate connection!" fanfiction shite. Thankfully it's not a big deal.
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 No.9197

>>2091
>>2092
>>2087
Something an acquaintance told me is that "where there's cops, there's trouble, because that's their job to be where there's trouble. If there isn't any trouble going on when they arrive somewhere… the there is going to BE trouble."
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 No.9220

>>845 (OP)
>Full Metal Panic!
https://fullmetalpanic.fandom.com/wiki/Soviet_Union
>Mikhail Gorbechov's Glasnost and Perestroika reforms are put to a complete halt when he is assassinated and preventing the dissilusion of the Soviet Union in 1991
>from there The Soviet Union, successful in fielding the Rk-91 Savage, would succeed in winning the Second Afghan War and not suffer the trauma as in the real world.
Absolutely Based
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 No.9234>>9248

>>9194
>It's definitely Nazi Germany but with some Soviet Aspects because Cold War.
Titans are clearly just the UC equivalent to Cold War-era CIA—anti-communist death squads / coup attempts and all. Federation is post-WW2 United States carrying on the legacy of international fascism in the name of counterinsurgency (which only makes the legitimately fascist aesthetics of Zeon and its leftovers all the more confusing).
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 No.9248

>>9234
>the legitimately fascist aesthetics of Zeon and its leftovers all the more confusing
Because nationalism is a part of Japanese culture and Gundam reflects this, so a discount wehraboo approach mixed in with some ideas of leftism is the resulting cause.
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 No.9382>>9383

>Weebs flipping out because BBC Sports called a Gundam statue a Transformer
Kek https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcNeZuN4vQM
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 No.9383>>9384

>>9382
isn't the double zeta a transformer anyways
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 No.9384

>>9383
I recall it transforming, yes.
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 No.9453

How good (or bad) would you rate Shin Getter Robo? Is it at least Gundam or Big-O levels of fun?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getter_Robo
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 No.9467>>9469

Is Ultraman mecha? Is Sentai or Kamen Rider mecha?
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 No.9468

>>5428
all upscale projects are so dope
i saw a 3rd rock from the sun upscale and wow
shit looked 1080p same with koth
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 No.9469>>9480

>>9467
Ultraman and Sentai are sort of mecha (with the latter and having mechanized suits and "zords") but it's sort of that grey area like Evangelion.
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 No.9471

>>9189
speaking of weird and interesting mecha/kaiju stuff, the new Godzilla show was so hyped and then no-one talks about it for some reason.
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 No.9480>>9488

>>9469
Alright
So what's your guys favourite Ultraman show?
I don't remember which one they aired as a kid but I've started from Ultraman Qanon

And the theme kicks ass. It shows off dope kaijus
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 No.9488>>9519

>>9480
>favourite Ultraman
That one where he fights the monkey dude I don't remember its name
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 No.9519

>>9488
he fights king kong?!??

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