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 No.115[Watch Thread]>>121>>122>>126

Vote to recall wvobbly as mod

wvobbly has:
attempted to cause migrations of explicitly idpol communities into leftypol
constantly suggested to copy the wordfilters of these communities and tone police leftypol
outright stated that his goal was to "get rid of brocialists" in favour of these people
one sidedly enforced the idpol ban, warning and deleting posts insulting liberal idpol while basically never banning the people he drags in
There has been a large shift of idpol into the board and it may be in part due to people going out of their own way to attract it.

Furthermore during the many confrontations, they have never expressed regret in their actions, only bowing down due to pressure by the other mods. This situation in untenable in the long term. Wvobbly wants a leftypol thats totally different than what leftypol currently is.

The latest in the long line of violations being the snarky reddit tier messages left on warnings in an idpol thread, trying to develop an idpol line on the board instead of anchoring the thread. https://leftypol.org/leftypol/res/174322.html#175195
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 No.116

I vote no
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 No.118>>119

No, like pask said the minimum is to produce evidence, at least some screenshots. Not this half assed effort. Due to the timing this is borderline wrecking territory, I will take note of that and act on it under the proper channels and with respect to the process in due time (which is of course not now).
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 No.119

I vote yes obviously
>>118
unfortunately a lot of it took place in the mod room which was a private thing until recently. But various mods will testify to having troubles with wvobblys modding decisions in general
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 No.120

As I should say for the charges arrayed against me:
>attempted to cause migrations of explicitly idpol communities into leftypol
I have never brought forwards people into the community save for individual basis, where I recommend them to the community because I figured they'd enjoy the content, or as a part of a wider board mission to draw in people from elsewhere, and even then all of the examples of that are in the past before my tenure as a moderator, such as when the chapo subreddit was banned and there was a board initiative and OC drive to try and attract some here. To constrew these efforts, community efforts, as not only my own but also undesirable is betraying that you view /leftypol/ as an insular entity which should not take in and educate outsiders.
>constantly suggested to copy the wordfilters of these communities and tone police leftypol
I have never suggested or proposed we introduce wordfilters beyond that which we have had in the past on bunkerchan and further on 8chan. There is simply no truth to this.
>outright stated that his goal was to "get rid of brocialists" in favour of these people
For the record, no such quote of me saying we should "get rid of brocialists" or anything of that sort exists, and indeed I never said or believed that we should get rid of certain posters in favor of "these people", whomever that might be. Have I made my position that we should move against reactionary idpol clear? Yes, I have. But have I *only* moved against reactionary idpol? No, I haven't. I've banned radfems and racial and ethnic idealists in equal measure, so much as they exist to prosecute. My emphasis on reactionary idpol isn't because of some kind of inherent political bias, but because it is the primary source of rule-violating idpol.
>one sidedly enforced the idpol ban, warning and deleting posts insulting liberal idpol while basically never banning the people he drags in
I addressed the first bit above, but the second bit? How would I even "not ban the people I drag in". Am I supposed to be in some kind of cabal with them and never ban them by their IP? If you had half the organization you imply I do, maybe you could put together an actual accusation with evidence.
>There has been a large shift of idpol into the board and it may be in part due to people going out of their own way to attract it.
This isn't even accusing me of anything, just insinuating this has something to do with me, rather than a wider trend of idpol being a political topic of discussion which is happening in the wider political space - between racialized shootings in America, the electoral bid of Castillo, ect. Not only founded, but profoundly non-materialist.
>Furthermore during the many confrontations, they have never expressed regret in their actions, only bowing down due to pressure by the other mods.
This is simply silly, if even one mod (including you, Zul!) expressed distaste at my moderation policies I would usually try to modify or curtail them. I have always worked through the proper channels to discuss moderation and have tried to bring on whatever criticism, be it user or fellow mod, that came my way.
>Wvobbly wants a leftypol thats totally different than what leftypol currently is.
Do I? Or do I simply accept that the community shall change over time, and that the moderation should change to suit that community? Not wholly mind - we cannot simply drop everything and remake the board's identity every few months, but accepting change and taking on new ideas from the community is something I have always advocated for.
>The latest in the long line of violations being the snarky reddit tier messages left on warnings in an idpol thread, trying to develop an idpol line on the board instead of anchoring the thread.
The reason I did not anchor the thread was a rule you proposed - that at least 3 mods be around to give the ok to anchor a thread if it is not clearly idpol shittery. The posts in question were not so egregious to be rulebreaking, the thread itself was of generally high quality enough that I was hesitant on just anchoring it, and there weren't other mods around to ask about anchoring, and I didn't want the thread to derail. So, my options were to intervene or delete those comments, and another rule I adopted because of your suggestion was to not delete posts without consultation, so warnings were effectively the last option for me, while acting in accordance to your wishes as best I could while still upholding moderation duty.
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 No.121

>>115 (OP)
As people might have gathered, I stand with Wvobbly and against these allegations, while I will give the caveat that I have not always agreed with his decisions, I don't think this is evidence of some sinister motivation but rather a consequence of our lack of organisation regarding 'the idpol rule' which needs to be clarified, and we have all been guilty of dealing with idpol unilaterally since there is no real consensus on it.

So, I vote no.
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 No.122>>124

>>115 (OP)
I vote no, but i do think these allegations have some degree of credibility. This will be resolved in accordance with the rules we agreed on and not a random voting post.
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 No.123

Yes.

Kick the wvobbly!
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 No.124

>>122
changing my vote to yes, purge the motherfucker.
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 No.125

abstain
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 No.126

>>115 (OP)
Voting No on behalf of Comatoast (permission given).
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 No.127

This vote is undemocratic.

No.
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 No.128

I change my vote to no
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 No.129

Yes
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 No.130>>131

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Adding for the record - https://lemmygrad.ml/post/12165

Wvobby has an account here, and had one before he was a mod. He further had a mod of the website, "Seabourne_PLA" say that "To address concerns of brocialism and western leftism on /leftypol/, though yes that used to be a major issue, the people in charge of Bunkerchan are well-read Marxists and are trying to turn the community around on those things. I don’t scroll it myself, however. The information I’ve shared is entirely second hand from a close friend who’s a respected member of the community."

"Seabourne_PLA"'s post was on the 25th of Janurary and Wvobbly was interviewed for a moderator position on the 19th. This and Wvobbly having an account on the site as well as Wvobbly's pro-idpol modding behavior strongly implies that Wvobbly is the "close friend" PLA is referencing.

One of the mods discovered this and was warning about wvobbly back in February
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 No.131

>>130
>cleanse leftypol of brocialism
The fuck does that mean? That is fucking retarded. Don't punish people for their beliefs, punish them for their actions. Wobbly needs to be sidelined before they can get their shit together.
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 No.132

Ausfag here, I am extremely busy and don't have the time to get up to scratch. I'm voting yes in light of the recent evidence unless someone clarifies otherwise

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