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 No.161279

Not a doom and gloom thread (but you can say if you personally feel that way) but just a thread asking everyone how you feel about current day leftychan. Would you change anything? Any ideas you personally have to attract newfriends or bring back oldfriends?
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 No.161282

Leftychan makes me sad because everytime I make a post about Hitler I get clowned on and my post gets deleted. People here also say mean things and I have a tough time coming up with my own counter-arguments.
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 No.161284

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 No.161287

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I'm gonna be frank here, after years of using this site, I really, really think that a lot of posts on here are some kind of weird op. Sometimes it's more obvious (see the resident hasbarist who, for some reason, hangs around a tiny leftist imageboard posting active zionist talking points and not engaging with anything that contradicts those), but there's a strain of comparatively subtle stuff which creeps me out a bit. I think there has been an active effort to sow misanthropy, distrust, bigotry, and paranoia among online communities, and despite our small size, I think that we're a target, and I also think there's an active effort to shit up this site.

I remember, years ago, when I could still use .org (I later started getting banned for no discernible reason, and nobody would tell me why it kept happening or what it was over, so I kept getting banned and unbanned and re-banned and the site became unusable), the main arguments against .net were built on screenshots of the catalog, and it always made this site look super reactionary. Since joining, I've realized that, for the most part, very few of the big, scary, reactionary threads that are posted (and periodically bumped) on this site seem to have very much substance - like, the amount of actual fascists/racists/perverts/whatever who have any actual enthusiasm for whatever they're arguing is pretty low, and even when there seemed to be more of them on this site, there wasn't much user sympathy for them. Today, it seems like these threads have basically no substance and just are kept afloat in order to compete with threads which have actual relevance / contain fully fleshed out ideas and arguments against capitalism and imperialism. It's important, to someone, that the latest posts on Leftychan.net are weird LLM-generated rants advocating for pedophilia, or bizarre alien-like diatribes against women or black people or transhumanists which read like they were written by someone who only knows about these groups from ragebait memes and idpol propaganda. Usually this stuff goes absolutely nowhere; in fact, like half of the "arguments" presented were tired circa 2016, it just kind of sticks around near the front of the site for a while, which is an easy thing to achieve since this site already has such a small regular userbase. Having been around here for years, I think that a lot of this stuff is only posted/bumped in order to discourage new users by making the site and its userbase look bad.

I'm not arguing for censorship here, I genuinely don't know what to do about this (except in cases of LLM slop and more obvious reactionary propaganda) besides just expanding our promotion as much as possible to reach wider audiences so we pick up more people with thicker skins who hold coherent leftist/proletarian political positions so that they drown out the dogshit. That's basically the effect you see on good larger sites, even ones with lax moderation and no algorithm, so it's the best possible course for Leftychan too. It's unfortunately pretty apparent that we've seen a lot of brain drain since the creation of the site - looking at old posts, this is very obvious. OG /leftypol/ back on 8ch, in its heyday, attracted a lot of activity from people with a genuine academic interest in, and knowledge of, socialism, leftist movements, anarchism, and their history, differences, and theory, and there are old threads on this site where that clearly carried over from /leftypol/ and its successor Bunkerchan. Neither .org nor .net today represent that tradition; .org lost it through active suppression and hostility towards the community (they're feds), and I assume that we've lost it through a gradual loss of activity and perhaps burnout.

This will sound weird, but at some point it would be good to create a fbi.gov group again. I don't like Disc or use it, so I'm not going to be helpful on this front, but losing that seems to have had a modest negative impact on the site, and obviously we lost it for a fucking bullshit reason (.org was getting raided and a bunch of retards mistook us for .org and attacked our Disc)… and I don't blame anyone for not remaking it, but it doesn't seem to have helped us that we haven't had the time. Disc is shit, and participating in it is shit, but we still have to diversify our outreach a bit within reason. IIRC we had a Telegram channel once, too (am I wrong?) but eventually shut it down due to inactivity; it might be good to restart that or start a channel on Signal or something. An official community YouTube channel could also be good; we don't produce that many videos now, but it might stimulate our production a bit if we increased potential reach.

Twitter, unfortunately, suppresses the fuck out of us - they suppress virtually all leftist posts now, especially vocally anti-zionist ones, but we are no exception. Despite growing our following on there by more than 3x what it was a few years ago, our post reach on that site has dropped to nearly nothing, and the speed of growth has been completely stifled from what it was at the time when the growth began. We have essentially zero options for online outreach in mainstream social media; only more organic sites with no algorithms like Spacehey and FriendRewind bear any potential as far as formal social media goes. Mentioning Leftychan on small forums would also be worth doing, although it should be pointed out that small forums frown on outright promotion and any reference to Leftychan would have to be respectful of this. We could stand to join BlueSky, if we want and have time, but we'd probably have to keep it pretty tame over there, and it might suppress us, too.

I think I'm going to go ahead and make stickers or design a sticker as requested in >>157214. Real world promo is a lot harder to suppress even if the reach has natural limits.
I can't afford to print them myself, but if somebody can, then I can send the design to them. In the past, I wanted to draw it, but never found time to do that, so I'll just whip up something.
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 No.161293

>>161287
> I think there has been an active effort to sow misanthropy, distrust, bigotry, and paranoia among online communities, and despite our small size, I think that we're a target, and I also think there's an active effort to shit up this site

Online communities always had those things organically tbh.
Especially imageboards.

Another problem that isn’t mentioned on here is the oldfag complex. Too many people complaining about “underages” or “new gags” for not conforming to the same old recycled inside jokes.

Constant nostalgia for “the good old days” which are just annoying memes from previous years
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 No.161300

Given my own experience with 4chan alternatives going all the way back to /b/-day, this site is actually performing better than I expected it to given its current age. Slow death by attrition is a natural part of the life cycle for alternative image board communities unless they find a way to attract new community members over time or establish a monopoly on a particular niche that isn't being served elsewhere. I attribute its current success simply due to .org being simply that horrible and there still being an underserved niche for censorship-free lefty political discussion online.
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 No.161302

>>161287
How long has it been since the split?
I grow weary and my bones…they ach.I think that most of the current political landscape today and the current state of online leftist political discorse can be traced back to glow uyghur operations. The Splits on leftypol, the current state of org, the liberalization of all leftist political discourse. It's of my personal opinion that these things are inflamed by outright federal agent cointel pro operations. It wouldn't be the first time and it wont be the last, but, unfortintly all I can do is speculate about it. The USG is and has always been well away of the power of united masses of working people. Look at how they outright decapitated the IWW and any socialist org in McCarthy and the first and second red scares. You'd have to be dumb to believe it couldn't or wouldn't happen to us.

all that being said I mostly agree with you and I believe we service an unserved niche of censorship free, or, resistant leftist political discourse. Anyone who is anyone knows org is a psyop. But, let's not revert back to hating org being a part of our identity.
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 No.161303

>>161293
>Online communities always had those things organically
No they didn't, and not at the level of today at all.

>Especially imageboards

t. guy who wasn't on imageboards 18 years ago and doesn't know what he's talking about.

>>161302
>I think that most of the current political landscape today and the current state of online leftist political discorse can be traced back to glow uyghur operations. The Splits on leftypol, the current state of org, the liberalization of all leftist political discourse. It's of my personal opinion that these things are inflamed by outright federal agent cointel pro operations.
Agreed.
I also find a lot of other stuff weird - in the 2010s, you see all these talking points being pushed about how awful the internet is, and how bad anonymity is, and how dangerous it all is, and in the late 2010s you see a suppression of forums and RevLeft shutting down. I absolutely think the coup which took down Bunkerchan was probably some kind of fed op, and the hostile takeover of 8ch by Jim (fed) shows that there's precedent for that.
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 No.161304

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 No.161305

I just want to see more engaging discussions or debates instead of endless news feeds. I like to argue but I've never been good at initiating discussions.
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 No.161342

the only reason im here is because i kept getting banned on leftypol
the quality of discussions are simultaneously more interesting and more aggravating, i suppose that makes sense considering why it exists in the first place, i still prefer the stupidity on here to the stupidity on leftypol
ive said before that leftychan's identity is intrinsically tied to leftypol and this needs to change at some point if its going to stop serving as leftypols "black market"
that or maybe starting a new imageboard entirely
but i dont blame anyone for not doing so since it would require some socialist project to exist in order to coalesce around
right now all we really have is right-wing social democracy alongside some third worldist/sinophile adjacent forms of marxism transplanted from the late 20th century
if this remains the case then the prospects for this site arent very good, and at no fault of anybody here individually
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 No.161347

>>161342
>that or maybe starting a new imageboard entirely
Splitting is the worst idea. Even the existence of .net would almost be bad if .org wasn't unusable/a probable glow op.

>ive said before that leftychan's identity is intrinsically tied to leftypol and this needs to change at some point if its going to stop serving as leftypols "black market"

Our culture is tied to /leftypol/, which both sites ostensibly derive from, although we're closer to the source.

>but i dont blame anyone for not doing so since it would require some socialist project to exist in order to coalesce around

>right now all we really have is right-wing social democracy alongside some third worldist/sinophile adjacent forms of marxism transplanted from the late 20th century
This isn't really true, or isn't any truer now than it was when the original /leftypol/ was created, which was a much larger site. I guess Communalism and anarcho-syndicalism are taken less seriously by anyone now, but that's kind of it as far as changes.
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 No.161348

>>161305
The news feeds are supposed to prompt you into commenting.
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 No.161349

>>161347
i dont think its a coincidence that 8chan leftypol took off around the same time as the 2016 election and the bernie campaign
especially considering the reaction to the 2nd obama administration among leftists
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 No.161350

>>161349
Makes it all the more unfortunate that during the height of the student encampments in the US from 2023-2025, the largest /leftypol/ offshoot was an extremely vapid, ban-happy site run by feds.
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 No.161351

>>161350
i agree
do you kinda get my point now tho
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 No.161357

>>161351
I guess, but I think the problem is less lack of movements and more that online activity is diverted away from here.
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 No.161362

>>161287
>It's important, to someone, that the latest posts on Leftychan.net are weird LLM-generated rants advocating for pedophilia, or bizarre alien-like diatribes against women or black people or transhumanists which read like they were written by someone who only knows about these groups from ragebait memes and idpol propaganda.
So how much of this is just R9K? How much of a problem is R9K for the site's public image?
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 No.161363

>>161362
It's just one or two anons shitting themselves. /R9K/ and leftcels are based.
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 No.161364

>>161362
This imageboard is obscure af. This site doesn't have a public image to worry about.
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 No.161371

Why are you guys so obsessed with wanting to increase patronage?
You complain about bad faith questioning and “newfags not understanding imageboard culture”
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 No.161376

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 No.161379

>>161362
That genre of stuff, loosely, is mostly relegated to /R9K/ on a normal day, but it's not the only place where it happens, it's just much more likely to get removed from the main board (although LLM-generated stuff can get removed anywhere afaik). The LLM-generated rants I had in mind were posted primarily to the main board and removed, in what seemed like a pretty obvious effort to shit up the main board. I don't know if /R9K/ is scaring any potential new regulars off (or is used for such a purpose by someone hostile to the site), but then when I came here I never used the overboard feature for several years. Idk if new users use that or not. I don't know if people are coming, seeing that, and leaving or not; I assume that it's not happening, although it's not impossible that screenshots of the catalog are still being used for anti-.net propaganda. I think the only real, good, way to get beyond this possible issue is to increase the userbase considerably.

>>161364
>This site doesn't have a public image to worry about.
I talked about this a bit in >>161287, but one of the main reasons I hesitated to switch to .net from .org was that .org users regularly posted screenshots of the .net catalog which made it look like .net was primarily inhabited by fascists and reactionaries. If this site doesn't have a reputational issue today, then it's only because .org was so successful in slandering .net and discouraging people from coming here that we're no longer even considered as an alternative by users who are put off by .org's extremely despotic fed moderation. If the only reason that nobody is being put off by the weird reactionary shitposts today is that nobody else is coming here, that's bad.
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 No.161383

>>161376
>yet another rebuttal whenever I point out the constant complaints
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 No.161384

>>161303
>No they didn't, and not at the level of today at all.

>t. guy who wasn't on imageboards 18 years ago and doesn't know what he's talking about


There’s been critiques about 4chan as early as 2011
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 No.161385

>>161379

>>161364
>This site doesn't have a public image to worry about.
I talked about this a bit in >>161287, but one of the main reasons I hesitated to switch to .net from .org was that .org users regularly posted screenshots of the .net catalog which made it look like .net was primarily inhabited by fascists and reactionaries. If this site doesn't have a reputational issue today, then it's only because .org was so successful in slandering .net and discouraging people from coming here that we're no longer even considered as an alternative by users who are put off by .org's extremely despotic fed moderation. If the only reason that nobody is being put off by the weird reactionary shitposts today is that nobody else is coming here, that's bad.

Leftypol isn’t well known either. If anything, the main reason why no one is flocking here is due to obscurity, plain and simple. Not “muh feds” or anything like that

Also this site does have reactionary sentiments, but so does Ogre.
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 No.161386

>>161371
I think (you) are the newfag because I haven't seen anyone complain about board culture and newfags here. Most of the time I see people answer bad faith posts with way more patience than they deserve. I guess you had a different experience.
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 No.161389

>>161386
I’ve been on here for a while. And there’s been some complaints about “newfags”. Just check older posts on here.
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 No.161390

>>161371
>>161386
This reminds me how I was on Rule34 Pahael and I commented that a pornographic elementary schooler fanart was pedo, and I was called a newfag in response.
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 No.161391

>>161390
Was it fictional or real life? If the latter, then okay.
But if the former, then you’re overreacting

Rape play and gore in fiction aren’t decried.
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 No.161405

>>161363
R9K is the main reason i wouldn't tell people IRL to go on leftychan. it should be de-listed from the overboard catalog because the posts (especially the opening posts) are so out of touch that it makes the entire catalog cringe by association.
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 No.161406

>>161405
Nah they're fine. You're just one of the reddiors that that gets BTFO'd all the time because you're liberal feminism gets actually materially critiqued.
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 No.161407

>>161406
No. What you incel freaks propose is basically The Handmaid's Tale.
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 No.161408

>>161407
No we don't. You interpret absolutely and restriction on female behavior as oppressive even when it harms children.
You are penis cage wearing simp.
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 No.161409

>>161408
*absolutely any
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 No.161410

>>161408
Even the way you talk is really weird in a way that makes me not want to enguage with you. It's weird to have a discussion about state issued girlfriends and entertain that idea any more seriously than a joke. If it was ironic, fine but its not, and I get called a redditor for not wanting that to be consistently in the top of the overboard? It just sounds so out of touch with reality - like your entire notion of women is based on second hand knowledge rather than any kind of lived experience, and you try and have some kind of discussion where the point is to objectify women as much as possible. And also who would want to make being an incel their identity and why? These actually are topics that makes me think there's a psyop to make the board look like losers intentionally.
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 No.161411

>>161410
>It's weird to have a discussion about state issued girlfriends and entertain that idea any more seriously than a joke.
<OMG, I'm literally shaking
It is a joke you nonce. You can't even get a .gov domain without being an actually government agency.
Have the foid you're orbiting up your quarterly ration of cold fish sex up to twice a quarter, you need it.
>and I get called a redditor for not wanting that to be consistently in the top of the overboard?
Hide the goddamn thread. Sex is just a much more fundamental part of life than politics. People are always going to have more to say about it than other things.
>like your entire notion of women is based on second hand knowledge rather than any kind of lived experience
Bro, there's maybe one actual incel on that board. It's important to talk about sex and men's relationship to it because he have a society where males are disposable. This is a desperately neglected political sphere and it differentiates the board. It's so foolish to continue to secede sex topics to the right because the left constantly panders to fucking truecel fedora lords like you.
>And also who would want to make being an incel their identity and why?
It's a way to coopt the title. And we need to do that because anytime anyone give difference to men on anything relating to sex, one gets called an incel anyway. This takes away the power of that pejorative from fuckwits like you.
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 No.161413

>>161410
NTA but not every faux pas topic on here is a psyop.
There really are petulant adults in this world seeking “vengeance”

>>161411
>and why?
It's a way to coopt the title. And we need to do that because anytime anyone give difference to men on anything relating to sex, one gets called an incel anyway. This takes away the power of that pejorative from fuckwits like you.

No. You’re just reeking off entitlement. You’re hijacking the term.

>>161408
>even when it harms children.

Here we go. “Think of the children”, the typical go-to excuse for petulant adults
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 No.161414

>>161405
R9K is hardly the main reason because there’s been a lot of bitter OPs on /b/
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 No.161419

>>161405

> R9K is the main reason i wouldn't tell people IRL to go on leftychan.


R9K if the only reason I am on leftchan. Because I am a leftcel (communist incel), while most of incel communities are either right-wing, supporting capitalism, the system which is one of the main reasons why there are so many incels today, or just blackpilled incels, who are mainly discussing the sizes of their skulls. Here there are many smart people to have discussions with.

> it should be de-listed from the overboard catalog because the posts (especially the opening posts) are so out of touch that it makes the entire catalog cringe by association.


If your cucky feminist feelings have been hurt, you might go to twitter or just do not open the R9K board. Why should anyone delete something you don't like?
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 No.161421

>>161384
>There’s been critiques about 4chan as early as 2011
There were critiques in 2006. There are critiques of everything all the time. Nobody asked whether or not there were critiques. When 2 houses in your neighborhood catch fire and burn down entirely, there are critiques of the level of fire safety, but it's still objectively less bad than if your entire neighborhood and the neighborhood next to it burn down. If things go from 2 houses burned down to 2 neighborhoods burned down, they've gotten worse.

>>161410
>Even the way you talk is really weird in a way that makes me not want to enguage with you.
Seriously, why tf does that guy go straight to talking about penis cages.
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 No.161423

>>161408
>We want sex!
<But also women should be restricted from sex!
What did he mean by this?
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 No.161424

>>161423
>We're poor!
>But also the rich should be restricted from money.
>D-d-d-don't you know that not having money is why you're poor?
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 No.161425

>>161413
>Here we go. “Think of the children”
Yes, think of the children ya fuckass idiot.
Neglected children make for an easily manipulated proletariat. Gooddamn, no wonder the left is in the state it's in. When "Fuck the children, hoes gotta hoe" is your mantra.
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 No.161426

>>161421
>Seriously, why tf does that guy go straight to talking about penis cages.
Because you prostrate yourself so hard to your feminist dommy mommies that you want to censor an obscure communist clit flicking forum.
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 No.161427

>>161426
What about arguing over the age of consent is communist?
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 No.161428

>>161427
Seize the means of reproduction, faggot.
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 No.161429

>>161426
I have never talked to you or done any of the stuff you're talking about in my entire life. You come across as a weird freak who cannot possibly stay on topic. This is a thread about the state of the site and you're bringing up penis cages and dommy mommies. What the fuck is wrong with you?
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 No.161430

>>161427
So what should the age of consent be anon?
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 No.161431

>>161430
You already have a thread for this, gtfo.
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 No.161432

>>161431
Well he says it like it's self evident.
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 No.161434

>>161425
>Yes, think of the children ya fuckass idiot.
>Neglected children make for an easily manipulated proletariat. Gooddamn, no wonder the left is in the state it's in. When "Fuck the children, hoes gotta hoe" is your mantra

And that usually is the result of “think of the children”.

Children are pushed and shoved for the selfish whims of adults

People say children are the epitome of selfishness, but from what I see, adults Trump children in that regard

When was the last time any group of children caused a massive war over resources?

“Lord Of The Flies” is just an age-based parody
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 No.161435

>>161434
>This is what cope from a simp raised by a single mother looks like.
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 No.161437

>>161434
This thread isn't about you. Stay on topic or gtfo.
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 No.161460

>>161435
> My anger towards women for not conforming to my chivalric fantasies is totally justified! Let’s blame single moms rather than the chivalric norms that produce them in the first place!

>>161437
Your response is unwarranted and irrelevant because it’s about discussing our feelings.

You should stfu
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 No.161461

>>161460
>our feelings
ABOUT the current state of Leftychan, not all this other shit.
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 No.161464

>>161460
>You can't blame single moms for crime just because a 50 year study proves that that they're the cause. YOU JUST HATE WOMEN.
This is the kind of white knighting that repels normal men from the left.
Even when women are shown to be empirically wrong their culpability unflinchingly deflected to comical degrees. NO SUCH RESERVATIONS FOR MEN ON THE LEFT WHEN THEY WANT TO BLAME ANYTHING ON THEM.
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 No.161465

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>>161429
>I have never talked to you or done any of the stuff you're talking about in my entire life. You come across as a weird freak who cannot possibly stay on topic. This is a thread about the state of the site and you're bringing up penis cages and dommy mommies. What the fuck is wrong with you?
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 No.161466

>>161464
Once again, not what this thread is about.
If you want to go complain about some other leftist site where people say other stuff, why not go do that in one of the 9 million threads in /R9K/ about that?

Stay on topic or gtfo. Both you and >>161460

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