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 No.5521

Hey Comrades! The ideas of Max Stirner (lived at the time of Marx) somehow appeal to me. As I understood he basically says that morality and religious and social norms are void (called them "spooks"). By freeing oneself of these concepts, one can follow one's own will. By cooperation and mutual interest one can then happily coexist and live with other individuals.
What are your thoughts on that?
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 No.5522

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You should probably ask >>>/dead/.
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 No.5523

Cool thanks, didn't know this board exists.
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 No.5524

>>5522
/edu/ isn't restricted to marxism only…
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 No.7471

>>5524
It is now. Try and stop us.
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 No.8151

the debate between marx and stirner is actually kindof important historically, as a formative debate for Marx ( who wrote a massive Tome The German Ideology Part II just to 'debunk' stirner ) and Stirner's egoism anticipates many developements both from the anarchist-individualist tendency and

the dismissive attitude of 'ew stirner is bad' is kinda dissapointing honestly, like Marx felt it was necssary to confront Stirners arguments at great length…

for me, an intellectual, I think they both have strengths and weaknesses, Stirner's concept of the 'phantasm' or 'spook' that basically all social institutions are constructions, a kind of game or collective halucination that only exists because people believe in it and act 'as if' it's real ( property, the state etc. ) this is a fundamental insight that is necessary for any theory of revolution.

marx and marxists always emphasize the material conditions, and this is important, but the psychic/psycological dimension is a *material*
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 No.8152

>>8151
>Marx felt it was necssary to confront Stirners arguments at great length
is this because he took stirner seriously or because he was trying to meme on him
because if its the former then this is worthy of a deeper investigation i think
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 No.8153

>>8151
>the psychic/psycological dimension is a *material*
zizek's materialism emphasizes the material effect of belief without a single reference to stirner
even cockshott described something similar when he explained how the socialist mode of production could function in the ussr without democracy (thus relying on stalin's cult of personality)

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