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 No.4356

Discuss.
Dune discussion general.

https://youtu.be/jJj2yHM3d3Y
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 No.4357

>>9852
it better be better than the lynch one
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 No.4358

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Oh , the memories
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 No.4359

Is it true that WarHammer 40k is heavily inspired by Dune novel?
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 No.4360

>>9852
chalamet is delicious.
The lynch one is kino campyness included.
It will most likely be very liberal at key parts.
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 No.4361

I haven't watched anything from Villneuve yet, but I heard that all of his stuff is fantastic.
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 No.4362

>>9858
It’s a mix of everything the 4 dudes that founded GW loves: Dune, D&D, Star Wars, LoTR, weird sci-fi guns trending at the time and historical memes.
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 No.4363

>>9852
Awful music
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 No.4364

>>9852
I'm tired of it, though I used to like it. I want to watch new sci-fi for a change that talks about current problems.
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 No.4365

>>9887
I just want to see a God Emperor of Dune adaptation already so we can be done with it.
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 No.4366

The film so far looks like generic hollywood sci fi, i dont put much hope into it. Not enough surrealism.
>>9873
Movie trailers are usually outsourced to third party studios so I wouldn't make guesses on the soundtrack. Hence why they're all the same.
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 No.4367

Could anyone properly explain what Dune as a series is about? I only watched the Lynch movie and read some plot synopsis, but it isn't too clear. So the main plot basically is about how Paul gets manipulated into becoming a genocidal monarch, realizes this and then has his son take over as an accelerationist tyrant with the goal of eventually destroying the current galactic system?
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 No.4368

>>9902
The Lynch movie was compressed, confusing and awful, you should have instead watched the 3 part Dune miniseries, it's much better and more faithful to the book. Frankly, you don't have to read the book if you watch that series.

As for what it's about… it's kind of long, but Dune is two books in one. The first is about a feudal galactic system, and within that system there's a noble family that is forced to take over a desert planet (Dune), who are then betrayed by the emperor and the former family that had owned the planet. The son escapes into the desert.

The second "book" is about how that foreign born son "dances with the natives," wins their trust, and twists their local religion to become the messiah of their prophecies and to wage a guerilla war to retake the planet. The desert planet matters because it's the only planet in the galaxy that produces the spice, which is a necessary ingredient for faster than light travel. It was an allegory for the dependency of foreign empires on controlling oil rich countries in the sixties/seventies, and a lot of the words in the book sound Arabic. The ending was that the war got so out of hand that the emperor came to Dune himself to try and finish it, and the princely protagonist has the natives launch a surprise attack, and then he forces the emperor to make him the new emperor of the galaxy.

There's a lot of other threads mixed in that end up in later books, but that's a summary of how the series began.
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 No.4369

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>There's a crusade coming
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 No.4370

>>9907
ngl it's quite clever since that crusade is going to be called a jihad later in the story and the two terms are equivalent right down to them being highly triggering and problematic to populations that have been on the receiving end of a crusade/jihad
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 No.4371

>>9864
He's my favorite director and I'm a huge Dune freak so this is about the best possible combination to have me wig out.

https://youtu.be/LzKwClRvRco
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 No.4372

>>9890
Jodorowsky’s version is the only good one. Not this all gray bleached out garbage.
Good bless the frogs for spawning Moebius.
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 No.4373

>>9902
Deconstructed hero's journey. Dune is a hero's journey story as written by someone who explicitly hates heroes. The surface reading of Dune and what is actually happening are frequently opposites of each other.

It's also a reply to Asimov's Foundation trilogy. Interestingly there's a Foundation series coming out:
https://youtu.be/FZd3xUDudy8

Foundation takes place in a declining empire. A "psychohistorian" named Hari Seldon has discovered a way to use mathematics to predict the historical development of human societies on large scale – which is now possible given the galaxy-sized scale of the empire. Seldon predicts the empire will collapse and plunge the galaxy into thousands of years of darkness. The solution is to create a "foundation" that will accumulate human knowledge, preserve it, with the hope of shortening the dark ages and allowing the galaxy to recover from this very long "depression" in a kind of behind-the-scenes planning.

Herbert, being more of a libertarian, didn't like this idea. A big part of Dune is that plans laid thousands of years in the past run out of control. Paul Atreides, the protagonist in Dune, is the result of a breeding program by an order of space witches named the Bene Gesserit to create a superbeing which they can control and take over the galaxy. It doesn't quite work out that way.
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 No.4374

>>9916
>Herbert, being more of a libertarian, didn't like this idea.
The anon who wants to know more here. But isn't this contradicted by the later novels though? From what I've read in the synopsis, his son specifically uses a really long-term plan that he predicted in order to eventually save mankind (Golden Path). Also from what I've gather this plan was highly brutal, so it also seems as if the books are saying that the ends justify the means as well.

>Asimov and Foundation series
I'm a bit of a booklet when it comes to OG sci-fi, but at least the premise sounds quite Marxist in its view of reality, that a person could in theory manage to predict the future historical developments by absorbing present material information. Was he somewhat of an /ourguy/?
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 No.4375

>>9911
You mean the comics? Have they been translated to english? I can only find downloads in the french
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 No.4376

>>9860
I heard that they gender bent Lyet Kynes, the leader of the Fremen. Thankfully he is a minor character but it's especially egregious that, out of all the characters, they would make him a woman. Because the Fremen are basically an arab mixed/berber civilization, and a woman being the leader of such a society? Yeah, it pretty much shows how completely out of touch liberals are with the exotic cultures they fetishize. They like the aesthetic and different skin colours of far-away people but they put under the rug all their cultural aspects which do not align with liberal ideology.

>>9873
It's a cover of Pink Floyd, you philistine!
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 No.4377

>>9942
That's what he's saying, it's an awful cover/remix. Only thing worse is probably a blue monday remix from ready player one trailer.
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 No.4378

>>9920
Every Marxist interested in SF should read the first three books of the Foundation series. Psycho-history is basically historical materialism on steroids.
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 No.4379

Aside from them changing Jihad to crusade it looks pretty cool. I'm going to reread the novel so I can be a bitchy little nitpicker when it comes out.
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 No.4380

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>Only in cinemas
Maybe if it was Jodorowsky's Dune.
I'll wait for them to sell it to streaming services when nobody goes to see it. Bad luck that this was being made during Corona, eh lads?
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 No.4381

>>9909
Damn I didn't realize Villanueve did Sicario. Even more impressed with him now.
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 No.4382

>>9852
They are going to ruin it.
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 No.4383

>>9959
It certainly won't live up to the novel, but I don't see why it can't be a good movie. It couldn't possibly tank as bad as John Carter.
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 No.4384

>>9950
They use the term crusade in the books as well.
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 No.4385

>>9952
I went to a cinema to see Tenet a week or so after it released in my country and it was utterly empty, if you're scared about the corona you have nothing to worry about as most people have the same thoughts so you'll have a screen practically to yourself.
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 No.4386

>>9864
After what he did with Blade Runner he has my trust.
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 No.4387

Yikes.

Is there a bigger enemy to cinema than this man? All of his “films” are bombarded with pseudo imitations of other directors: Prisoners is a blatant remake of David Fincher’s Zodiac. Enemy borrows elements from Alfonso Cuaron’s Prisoner of Azkaban, and Arrival, the biggest offender of all, plagiarizes the moody peril that comfortably resided in Christopher Nolan’s Insomnia. Don’t forget about Sicario either, which is a shamelessly nuanced attempt to hijack the cinematic language of Michael Bay’s Bad Boys 2.

Denis Villeneuve doesn’t contain a single original thought. Blade Runner 2049 was a culmination of hackery and evident of the intellectual dullness of his previous films. The man is simply a proficient illusionist. He knows who to surround himself with. For instance, he employs the likes of Roger Deakins to photograph his movies with IMDBlike sensibilities in order to hijack the approval of impressionable film buffs looking for the next piece of “cinema” to fawn over. Then he calls up Ryan Gosling, still enjoying the indie spoils of his Drive fame, in order to drown 2049 in arthouse approval.

And Dune is next on the menu.

Denis’s Dune will receive the same cultural reception as George Lucas’ Star Wars prequels, Timothée Chalamet as Paul Atreides having a strikingly similar casting notion as Hayden Christensen as Anakin Skywalker. The prequels can be forgiven as misguided art though. Dune will be the anti-thesis of that, a film crafted by a hack at the peak of his illusionist abilities.

Villeneuve is a miserable hack whose movies are propped up entirely by Deakins meme cinematography which gets the r/movies and IMDB pleb crowd all hot and bothered. It is the death knell of Cinema. One of the biggest trashmasters working today, a hack's hack. This is hot pocket the director. Cheeto dust: the man.

His flicks are a bad joke; an insult to the filmic medium; a gob of spit aimed at all that is good and great about filmmaking. Another polished post-fincher gritty popcorn director.
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 No.4388

>>9999
>Don’t forget about Sicario either
I bet that reviewer hasn't even heard of Heart of Darkness. They don't even have the decency to call it an Apocalypse Now! ripoff.
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 No.4389

>>9999
Say what you want but his movies are better then 90% of the movies that are being put out.
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 No.4390

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>>9999
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 No.4391

>>10008
That’s not a high bar to compare anything to mate. Almost all modern movies are complete commodified trash made to squeeze money out of ideas.
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 No.4392

>>9999
>plagiarizes the moody peril that comfortably resided in Christopher Nolan’s Insomnia. Don’t forget about Sicario either, which is a shamelessly nuanced attempt to hijack the cinematic language of Michael Bay’s Bad Boys 2
Excellent bait.
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 No.4393

But to take the critique actually seriously for a moment, Dune is just a pulp sci-fi novel with an unusual intensity of vision, it's not worth starting a religion over. I'm going to enjoy being thrilled in the cinema while chomping on some popcorn and experiencing whatever new air circulation systems the theater chain has installed in the past few months.
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 No.4394

>>10032
I don't think anybody thinks Dune is like transcendent or anything, just that it's great material for a film adaptation.
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 No.4395

>>9905
Did he really twist their religion? Wasn’t he actually this supremely powerful god which was foretold by both the bene gesserit and the fremen?
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 No.4396

>>10041
I think it is transcendent.
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 No.4397

>>9852
Basically earth in 20 years. Well the political situation at least.
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 No.4398

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So I started reading the first book and it's alright but I looked up some plot synopses beforehand and saw some of the series spoilers and uh… it sounds like the worst kind of fanfiction (pic related). ebin fan favorite space samurai gets cloned so much the plot revolves around his clones and he becomes the new messiah I feel like I'm being trolled that this is one of the greatest science fiction series.
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 No.4399

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>>9869
And cyberpunk that was very heavy at the time.
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 No.4400

>>10134
Only the first book is good
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 No.4401

>>10134
Most of the series is trash. That’s why most people in modern day never compare it to being “LoTR for sci-fi”. Lensmen is better than every way.
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 No.4402

pretty worried, but heh, at least they can do special effects now
>>9853
shouldnt be too hard
>>10111
yes, the fact he was a godlike being wasnt known at first, the bene gesserit basically just make up useful legend/religions on all planets they send their agents on, so they can be used later as political tools if needed, in a very cynical view. They don't litterally spell out their plan of ultimate messiah as religions
>>10138
>>10142
hard disagree, although the first one is the best by far, the serie stay good and have plenty of great plot/philo until the death of leto. i'd even say you miss a lot dune concepts if you stop at first one
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 No.4403

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How accurate is pic related? I want to read the good shit.
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 No.4404

>>10041
>just that it's great material for a film adaptation
It really isn't. Dune is frankly too cerebral and complex to be easily adapted, which is precisely why previous attempts have fallen flat.
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 No.4405

>>10370
It's a question of does Vinille have what it takes
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 No.4406

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>>10279
Honestly I didn't find anything about it "weird", it seems like a typical 70's era scifi with LoTR level worldbuilding. Dune + Messiah are basically one book and is a must read for any scifi fan, Children is a fucking slog and NOTHING happens except the last few chapters, and Emperor is Herbert trying (and failing) to write a smarter than human character, albeit with some really fun moments along the way. I tried reading Heretics and gave up around 100 pages in, it was just more of the same and it didn't really jive with me.

If you want some real fun, just read Emperor going in blind. If you like it, go back and read the first 3, if you don't then you've just saved yourself a lot of time.
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 No.4407

>>10279
>all the sequals tital's start with the word dune
this is dumb naming
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 No.4408

thanks OP i was thinking of making this thread but i haven't read the books
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 No.4409

oh it was unsearchable because d u n e
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 No.4410

>>10380
>LoTR level worldbuilding
It’s nowhere near that though. LoTR in a single book established almost the entire cosmology, history of every countries, their languages, and every known norms of the genres. While Dune is just a cool universe that have a lot of things kept vague on purpose by Hebert for later fleshing out through multiple sequels. And it’s legacy is much more limited, which has only Warhammer emulating it (GW stole from everybody because it started out as satire before retards and company shills ruined it with Space Marine wank).
>>10389
How else are you going bait people into buying when they explicitly knows that their author is long dead.
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 No.4411

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>>10400
>before retards and company shills ruined it with Space Marine wank
Why does so much burger Sci-Fi try to copy him?
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 No.4412

>>10404
fashoid mindset?
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 No.4413

>>10404
His work has a lot of classic libertarian themes and an idealistic look at voluntarism, something fashoids and the US military love to emulate. It’s not a surprise when his work is party mandatory reading for them.
Also lots of his protagonists are super smart, ultra competent individuals. A great way for burgers to have a power fantasy.
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 No.4414

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>>10414
>has a lot of classic libertarian themes and an idealistic look at voluntarism, something fashoids and the US military love to emulate
But why? Obviously libretarianism and voluenterism are on the political right. But, their core philosophical tenates are pretty different from fascism and jongoism.
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 No.4415

>>10416
Because for Americans especially, libertarianism got completely taken over and shaped by the ruling class from the start. It’s also the first place where the term liberal becomes the definition for petit bourgeois landlords and the people subservient to them rather than left wingers.
The opposition to tax became the opposition to keeping the private interests of small time capitalists rather than the opposition to a capitalist state in general.
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 No.4416

>>10431
but militerist nationalism and total war is incompatible with a peti-bourg libretarian utopia, thier is no place for small business in world wars
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 No.4417

>>10400
> LoTR in a single book established almost the entire cosmology, history of every countries, their languages, and every known norms of the genres.
Yeah, and that one book is dedicated entirely to lore/worldbuilding. If you take out the Silmarillion, the LOTR trilogy and Dune are pretty comparable in that regard.
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 No.4418

>>9920
>Some literary critics have described Asimov's psychohistory as a reformulation of Karl Marx's theory of history (historical materialism), though Asimov denied any direct influence.[11]
The wikipedia article goes on to misinterpret hist mat, so I won't copy it. Incredible how much marxism is misinterpreted.
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 No.4419

I was expecting a delay but October 2021 seems a bit much.
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 No.4420

Reminds me of a depressing pamphlet “Desert” by Unknown https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/anonymous-desert
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 No.4421

>>10437
True. That’s why in most of Heinlein’s work, war is portrayed as a constant skirmish of small proxy wars that keep to military industrial complex going. Starship troopers is that wholesale, the other is The moon is a cruel mistress where it also emphasized a long war up until they started to bombard earth with mass drivers.
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 No.4422

NEW TRAILER DROPPED

Looks pretty cool and a seemingly anti-imperialist message is nice; probably the only movie I've been excited to see in like a decade. Going to start reading the novels as well; can anyone comment on how the community views the books made after the original author died (the Dune novels after the 6th).
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 No.4423

>>4422

the same way catholics view protestants
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 No.4424

>>4423
Intense hatred and scorn to the point of starting civil wars; before gradually mellowing out over the years and retreating into academia, coupled with a grudging resignation?
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 No.4425

Orientalist and queer-coded white savior trash. Why does every modern scifi movie be some shitty Pocahontas rip-off?
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 No.4426

>>4425
>Why does every MODERN scifi movie be some shitty Pocahontas rip-off
>Orientalist
<Dune
Anon, I…
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 No.4427

>>4425
>Orientalist
>white savior
ok I could see why someone would think that but
>queer-coded
How? Does Timothee Chalamet just have a gay looking face or something?
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 No.4428

>>4427
Different anon

I think the actor they hired for Paul Atreides doesn't fit, he is supposed to have been intensely trained in personal combat from an early age, he should look like he's got more stamina.

Also the Fremen should have leathery dried out skin because they are denied enough water.
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 No.4429

>>4427
>How?
The Baron being homosexual?
Him raping male family members being Canon?
Duncan Idaho losing his shit at the Lesbian Fishspeaker orgy?
Herbert disowning his own gay son?
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 No.4430

>>4428
agree about paul
the fremen is a little harder to pull off, and unlike the harkonnens they are supposed to be approachable to the movie audience so you can't make them too weird

>>4429
i don't think you understand the "coding" part of queer coding
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 No.4431

>>4430
>the fremen is a little harder to pull off, and unlike the harkonnens they are supposed to be approachable to the movie audience so you can't make them too weird
But the Fremen are very weird, they have glowing blue spice eyes as well as strangely brutal social rituals and the book spends a lot of time unraveling their mysteries, almost like they're an alien species. Dune always seemed like it played with the concept of humans that aren't entirely human anymore, that they were changed by their environments in the dune universe.
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 No.4432

>>4426
>>4427
>>4430
Ok, guys I'm just baiting. I fucking love Dune and I've read all six books. It's just that as a relatively old scifi novel it suffers from the prejudices of its time and I just think there has to be some kind of of discussion about that.
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 No.4433

I have watched the IMAX preview and let me tell you that this movie is very different from what I have seen in a long time. It doesn't feel like Star Wars, Star Gate, Star Trek or whatever with its scale and its modern and otherworldly aethetics, it is going to be completely overwrite of what was regarded as 'Dune' before, no one is going to ever talk about the Lynch film ever again. This movie IS Dune now. The Guild ships, the spice harvester scene, holy shit. I really can't wait to see the whole movie.

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