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Just noticed that both the old /gsg/ thread and the hoi 4 threads were full so here's a new thread.

Reposting from the Hoi 4 thread:

I found a supposed leak detailing the L-NPP paths, despite the lib bias of the devs Gus still seems pretty based. Plus it also has the 1976 and 1980 L-NPP candidates.

>At this stage, mass prosecution of the upper class will begin, now that the courts are sufficiently saturated with L-NPP appointees. Hall’s FBI director will have assembled lists and evidence on the illicit gains of the American wealthy, and, starting all at once, mass arrests will be carried out of the most unsavory individuals. This is a crisis as well, as this upheaval causes capital flight from the United States,which Hall can react to in a variety of ways - including shooting down private planes.

Yeah I'm thinking he's based

<The 1976 Election - Bill Epton/Abbie Hoffman

<Head of Government - ​Abbie Hoffman
<Foreign Minister - ​Noam Chomsky
<Economy Minister - ​Fred Hampton
<Security Minister -​ Philip Agee

Noam Chomsky and Fred Hampton being in the same cabinet is very funny to me


when can we get the L-NPP yockey coalition ?


When LaRouche becomes President


Yock and Hall torture time


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Reminder that the US dev team are turbolibs who think anything left of social democracy is "extremism". Fuck the dev team, Hall is based.


>nooooo you can't just kill all the nazis you can under a communist german government, they didn't do nothing!
<haha gulags go brrrrrrrrr


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Talking about leaks the SBA rework looks pretty interesting,
Anarchobros… is TNO dare I say, /ourmod/ ?


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Tbh I feel like the devs are gonna remove the DSR path, I'm pretty sure they already said the DSR won't be Khmer Rouge for the Nazis anymore. Feel like they may incorporate the DSR into Bormann's and/or Speer's paths based on already exisiting content and toosers.


The RAF kills one of Bormann's minister near the end of his path, the RAF could probably come into power either after Borman dies or if the Nazi's lose the 2WRW badly


In the Speer tooser ( https://preview.redd.it/bu1yh8ln5ii61.png?width=3192&format=png&auto=webp&s=1073d9c689e28de9e2866c3dd20ad3ef1d73e22d ) for Europa's Narben the Communist resistence seems to be given more prominence so its possible that the DSR could be one of the paths of Go4 germany


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Krasnacht seems interesting but I hate how the devs are constantly reworking the lore, feels like it'll never come out at this rate and it'll just be a tooser mod.
Their most recent rework is now instead of "fixing" the KR lore ,such as not having the retarded Balkans war happen or removing other parts of KR's jankey lore, they're going to stick closer to the KR lore. Sorta like the Kalterkrieg mod also being developed.

I do like their socialist ideologies though, provides more nuance especially with subideologies.

The based KR cold war mod is l'Ordre Nouveau ( https://www.reddit.com/r/leOrdreNouveau/ ) which is a Russian developed mod. The cold war is between National Syndicalist Third international vs Russia which is in a coalition between Right-SR Savinkov and the Bolsheviks lead by Bukharin. America also becomes a bunch of warlords, Japan also controls most of East Asia.

Check out their dev diaries, they're really high quality https://www.reddit.com/r/leOrdreNouveau/comments/lnko7e/developers_diary_4_showa_no_rokkusuta/


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I'm really excited about France in that mod. Both the Red Socdem path and the "Paul Nizan makes Stalin look like a liberal" path seem pretty based.


/leftypol/ rework of TNO when?


What is the fucking point? just start from scratch. or even better, don't.


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Feel like pure shit, I just wanted it to come out today


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A HOI4 mod in archie sonic lore is still weird


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Krasnacht is basically on life support right now. Most of the original people went away because Bukharina decided to simp for the original Kaiserreich retcons instead of doing their own thing.
At this rate both Cursed Days and Red Night have a better chance of being released than Krasnacht.


I think the main issue with the anarchy path as it is now is the devs basically boxed them into a corner by making them more or less the "bad ending" for central siberia (akin to the 'aryans'/'hyperboreans' or clockman for west russia, Omsk or an insanely mismanaged stalinboo squadron for WestSib or Radkovsky for the Far-East)
The Free territory's event chains no matter if you choose to go down the AnarchoCom/Syn route or the platformist route allude to them killing straght up thousands of people which no other CentSib unifier does


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Yeah apparently there was like a schism in the Krasnacht team with those dissatisfied with Fenia's leadership because they thought the team wasn't productive enough but also because of the rework, with the dev team having a leadership vote. The faction dissatisfied with Fenia lost and left the mod team.
kek Sheeve, the guy who started the mod, got cucked out of his own mod and left

The rework is dumb and apparently the devs didn't even do that much work anyways, so maybe the faction complaining about productivity did have a point…

>a fellow Cursed Day and Red Night fan



>Chomsky Forioegn minister

So we are starting a bunch of foreign wars still


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The France paths look so good, I love how the l'ON give a failstate path to every path and in some you can even recover in the failstate path
The Doriot failstate path where he uses the jackals like Mao used the Red Guards to regain his power in China, is incredibly based.



Yep from the leak:
>Epton’s goal is: ​
<destroying all vestiges of American imperialism​, ​
<reforming American culture and society​,
<and ​accelerating the collapse of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan.​
>Whilst the first and third goals may seem to conflict, they, in fact, do not actually oppose each other.


Isn't Doriot a rightoid with speedy characteristics though? At least to me he didn't seem that based. My take away was:
<Slightly unhinged Italian fascist with some progressive characteristics
<"Moderate" who can be anything from slightly reformed corporatist syndicalist to Stalinist (economically) in all but name
<The communist idealogue who will drag France away from syndicalism kicking and screaming


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Is it wrong that I still unironically think that Kaya is one of the most based paths in TNO, and perhaps in all HOI4 multiverse as well? Like, sure, he is a fascist ideologue culturally and GAW will basically be a loose loose situation no mater what for him, but hell, establishing real existing barrack communism and destroying commodity production? Hell yeah, thats more based than 99% of all holesum chungus commie paths in any mod.


If I remember correctly the TNO team are going to do an eventual rework of Japan and East Asia in The Setting Sun since Japan right now is in a horrendously unifinished state.
They had a Japan team lead who they had to kick out because apparently they were a Imperial Japan apologist, and then the Japan team lead they had after kept bullshitting about the progress. Making the rest of the devs think Japan was more develeoped than it actually was which has resulted in Japan being this unifished mess.

Not sure if Kaya's path as we know it will survive the rework considering how much Italy is being changed in its rework.


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I don't think Doriot has his irl shift to the right in the l'ON timeline, anyways even if hes a bit cringe I still find his path interesting and will give it a play since it seems fun having France go through a Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution

However Nizan is probably the leader I agree with the most. If France goes down Nizan's path, and Russia goes down a Bolshevik path I wonder if there's a chance for detente. Probably not since Maximist UoB is l'ON's version of Burgundy in which the UoB foreign policy is to use spies to fuck relations between other countries.
Talking about Nizan I just realised the one of his foci is Donovan from Berserk lmao the l'ON devs really make some of the best focus icons out of any HoI 4 mod


>Donovan from Berserk
I assume thats the boulder? Not familiar woth Berserk, so I presumed it was some sort of illuatration of Kamiu's Myth of Sysiphus.
I personally noticed the Doriot icons. Aren't like 2 of them at least pics of the girl from Léon? If so, really based taste of the devs.


Barracks 'communism' isn't a good thing you nutjob.


>the dev team seems to be pretty based

If I remember correctly the head dev and writing leader are both leftcoms of the italian tradition which is pretty cool I guess.

Y'know is there a HoI 4 mod thats been developed by MLs? I remember that TWR's Soviet Union was developed by a Maoist (which is why Khrushchev was a Socdem in TWR lol) but they're currently reworking TWR's Soviet Union now


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Pol Pot begs to differ :^)


And look how great that turned out.


Kaya / Spartan Federation from SMAC stan here, it depends on the barrack communism. Polpotism is basically just insanity, however arranging society into a startocratic state where the military government provides direct provision (aka abolishes commodity production) to all of its citizens, that is united together by a single espirit-de-corps vision of collective future? Yes, that is, in my opinion, a very good arrangement. Perhaps not as good as the Soviet version of socialism and definitely not the more utopic (and hopefully one day successful) communism that abolishes not only commodity production, but also work, but this kind of barrack communism is still VERY good civilizational outcome, at least when compared to the current global capitalist system.


>however arranging society into a startocratic state where the military government provides direct provision (aka abolishes commodity production) to all of its citizens, that is united together by a single espirit-de-corps vision of collective future? Yes, that is, in my opinion, a very good arrangement.

So still preserving class society and the division of labour? Thats not Communism at all, completely trash

Please read Principles of Communism anon, its just a 20 min read https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm


Yep Dononvan's face is the boulder, yeah the devs have based taste, lots of great references they sneak in


The first red flag to me was when one ex-dev spoke out in a teaser about how unproductive the entire team was at the time of his own departure and got immediately downvoted to oblivion. The team under felina spent months just reworking portraits and focus symbols when even the story and paths hasn’t even been completed.


>Maximist UoB is l'ON's version of Burgundy

I assumed the idea was that they were self ascribed social imperialists? As I recall they were described as being aspiring to recreate the old British empire with the end goal of pillaging the rest of the world so that mainland Britain could be a "communist" utopia through the wealth stolen from everyone else.


>When LaRouche becomes President
Build all the Bridges


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Is this a leak for when Kaya gets a proper path instead of being insta-couped?


is the cold war mod still cringe?


Old DD path of his for when he goes hardball reformist


>Actually working first strike and factional voting systems
Now I’m interested. Better than the scripted visual novel TNO did and less buggy than TWR nuking.


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Average gsg autist, leftists who play these retarded map painting sims should just kill themselves


These types of players are even mocked by 4channers, what's your point?


but i need these games for larping purposes


>catholic prussia
also why would you play the game to larp when you raze everything like a no-life min maxer?

very flawed testimony, i doubt this fool has ever played a paradox game without cheats


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>Krasnacht have everyone being sucdem now
What the actual fuck?
<being a representation of anything


And what am I supposed to play while I listen to Harvey capital lectures?


You don't want to play vidya while watching lectures. It really fucks up your concentration to follow along and you won't get much out of it. Also David Harvey is a eurocom pseud who denies LTV. He might be good in some areas, but I would highly advise to study Capital solo, without any outside influances that might revise Marxs work unintentiomally via ignorance or deliberately due to their tendency.


I like how the world goes dark, province by province, divisions upon divisions being pushed outwards as "forbidden territory" expands, flailing against each other in pointless battles when pushed into the same tile.


Yep, it's definitely a cool effect. I like the post-script events too (like the Moon one). Makes me want some kind of post-TNO apocalyptic HOI. But then I'm desperate for more HOI mods in general (that are actually fun and good and relatively developed).


I know the problems with Harvey and I'm also studying Capital solo I'm just also following the lectures along to refresh and see if I missed anything.


Could anyone help me out with manually installing TNO to my cracked HOI4 version? I think I am getting fucked by a bad descriptor file. If I use the mod tools and don't replace the default created descriptor file, the mod crashes while loading up the game. If I replace the 2 descriptor files, it doesn't seem to recognize the mod and just launches default HOI4. Also the cracked dowser launcher always fails to launch the game, so I have to do it manually through .exe, maybe that has something to do with it. So if anyone can be so kind, could you paste here the text data from the 2 descriptor files you are using?


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Scratch that. I'm such a fucking retard. I fixed up the descriptor file myself. And to think I could have been playing TNO all these years, well, a year, but still, I finally fucking fixed it. Feeling like Bart from that "Ichy and Scratchy" the movie episode where he finally sees it at 80 or whatever.

So, who should I play first? Khruschev, Suslov or Zhukov?


Be glad that you do not have to face the bugs that were there before the current patch.
Khrushchev path is incomplete.


Yeah look on the bright side, you have a much more feature-complete game than what we played at launch.

Clearly your first game should be blessed and wholesome Sablin


make the libs seeth, play Buhkarinist Sablin


They need to change Hall's party's name to 'CPUSA' and just make a minor writing change where it says something like "The NPP did not field their own candidate this year choosing to instead encourage their voters to support CPUSA candidate gus-hall"
And i guess the schizo retard to something like "American-Nazi-party"


The only thing that makes me seethe is your spelling


Started with a Suslov run. Currently in the '67s regional unification stage with Black League, Yuriy Krylov and Mikhail being the other contenders.

Not doing Bukharinist Sablin because that sounds dengist. Might do libsoc run, though. Thinking of doing either Birch HMMLR or Hall US next, though I might save that for later since US seems like a really well developed nation.


Birch doesn't have a focus tree BTW. So I wouldn't bother.


>Not doing Bukharinist Sablin because that sounds dengist.
It isn't. The authsoc path for Sablin is based. You shoot Yagoda, build roads, own the radlibs, reform the NKVD and drop the Trotskyite/Idealist dribble which is the Libsoc path.


The libsoc path is clearly better though. In fact that applies for pretty much every country, the only way to interpret the game otherwise is to be deliberately edgy.


Just finished my first run as Suslov. Feeling mixed. I think over all he is probably the most based unifier, at least from what I've heard of the others. Its not wacky at all, but the things he does - clamping down on revisionists, controlling the bureaucrats, beating in party discipline - all really good. Also if I am not mistaken there was a hint that he will be pursuing OGAS, which, if true, instantly makes him the best. And all of this with minimal bloodshed. Though there was a feel that he was just a bit too technocratic with how he doesn't really care about soviet power more than OTL soviets. Hence I wonder how well would libsoc Sablin (or just Sablin when he gets updated) compare. But what I was really bummed out about is the drop in quality for content after Komi stage. I guess West Russia + regional focus tree were lowkie good also, but not as good at the start. They really could have added more flavour for characters, and especially Suslov himself, as now all we get are a couple "bureaucrats am I rite?" events, a few events about the economics minister and events describing the focuses, but there never seemed to be any dynamic or anything. And then the super regional stage is basically barren. I guess the reunification content wasn't that fleshed out yet.

Anyway, I also got United Arab Republic and commie Iran to form in my game so that is kinda based. Also gamer Borman long-knifing all dissidents only to spark more unrest in Germany, and LBJ going all the way to end racism and creating a welfare state… only to be replaced in 72 by neocon Kirkpatrick, which is honestly both really realistic, and in my opinion would create a really interesting timeline here for second decade, where Germany and Japan burn to the ground (first because of 2nd WRW, and second because of GAW), with US going on an interventionist rampage and becoming a CIA police state that is basically a weaker version of its OTL self and slowly reorientating itself towards conflict with the resurgent Soviets (who I chose to go anti-imperialist) in what becomes a more evenly mached and more interesting version of OTL cold war.

Doesn't Bukharinist = lowkie dengist in TNO? As in not full market reformist, but more than willing to allow for private farming or coops to exist?


>Thinking of doing either Birch HMMLR or Hall US next
Eh, Birch doesn't have a focus tree like >>10553 said, as for Hall, he doesn't really have any content either, his focus tree is supposed to be a preview of how he'll be when his full content tree comes out, whenever that will be


Suslov is just a boring vanilla M-L so I'm not surprised you found it kinda dull. Well, I mean, I know I'm biased, but still.


anyone here ever play superpower 2


I played Egypt and turned it into the richest and most populous country in the world. This was largely the result of immigration and the fact that everyone else had declining birthrates. Honestly have no clue where they are putting 700 million people in that country.


Finished a Big Chungus run after Suslov. Honestly I am disapointed. I was expecting a close-to-but-not-tragically heroic story where every choice in keeping the chungus score high and unwholesome score low would be a nail-bitter that could really backfire, or is really risky not to implement, or whatever. Instead I got a bunch of frat boys (and girls) getting shitfaced after every unification stage with a grumpy Buyrat and a grumpier Luxembourgist economist trying to get you to pass reasonable reforms that hit your chungus score. Love to get yelled at when I implement a centealized school system. But all of that is writting that gets changed regardless, so fuck it. My bigger problems is with his policies. Most of them are good, but there are two stinkers.
1) His economic policy. I am specifically talking about the chungus path. The more centralized one is ok I guess. Mainly, it stinks to me of Titoism and Wolfism (or more specifically Vaushism), where the idea of getting worker coops is put above the actual people of the country, and a window is opened for a free market to exist. Suslov was just slightly cringe for not letting unions get more power, however some amount of Soviet power without a "free producers" market is more favourable in my view than a coop economy a la Sablin.
2) Democratization. An even bigger bungle, and further proof that Sablin was just a liberal circlejerk dream. Representative democracy is reactionary, and a one way ticket towards an eventual oligarchy. Once again, Suslovs OTLish USSR structure isn't that amazing, but it is better than Sablins liberalism.
3) No OGAS. Literally fuck off unless you have OGAS. Suslov has implied plans for it (and an OTL history of support for it), Sablin "might" do it some time later. Sorry honey, but that isn't good enough.

Also in general I found Sablin path to be more boring gameplay wise than Suslov. Suslov is sparse as well, but he has a one banger of a start. Sablin just has a short war against Yagoda and thats it. Minimal managment problems, no real drama with the party wings, maybe just a bit of flavour in the foci for taking out Men. Only highlights were the trial scenes (especially Mikhail).

Final verdict:
Gameplay - slightly worse than Suslov
Basedness - somewhat worde than Suslov
Story - worse than Suslov


I honestly didn't mind the Sablin route, it's a bit of a lib circlejerk, yes, but then I'm something of a lib myself, so I enjoyed that well enough. I agree that the choice between 'blessed and cursed' should be a bit more difficult but on the other hand, any amount of mechanical disadvantage doesn't really matter if you're a sufficiently good player. Even if all the 'blessed' options gave you no bonuses you could still eventually win. So I don't know.

Also, I prefer direct democracy to representative democracy, but even still, democracy is important.


>2) Democratization. An even bigger bungle, and further proof that Sablin was just a liberal circlejerk dream. Representative democracy is reactionary
Isn't it possible for only socialist parties to actually run as candidates in elections?


Nah, he goes multi-party system.

Agreed about it not mattering much gameplay wise, but it can matter naratively. For instance, event about some reactionaries murdering a bunch of Sablinites and getting away with it if you didn't reintegrate the NKVD, or maybe fucking up your education level growth if you go with the regional option. Or just "a day in a life" event that describes how the big chungus free producers union fucks over the consumers or bungles a state infrastructure project via underdelivering the quota for resourcess.
Also I think I said before, but I got a bit of a fanfic OC vibe from him. How there is always a joke about him drinking vodka. How he magically is always present in all events like that small protest in Novosibirsk from a worker council, even though at that time he should be in Ulan-Ude doing state work like any real leader. Or how about the meme of him running his entire administration from a frathouse party member opera even after beating Yagoda all the way to unification. Now, if there were events detailing how he actually "grows up" in order to fill the boots of being an actual leader, then that would be good writting, but now its just kind of silly.


Play big chungus Stalin man, Lazar Kaganovich and remove the alt-history bukharinist cringe that destroyed the Soviet Union


I don't think TNO Russia has the technological ability to do OGAS.


I'll give it a shot some time, but will most likely go Cornman path. From what I've heard Lazar seems to be a bit too autistically authoritarian. Purging Bukharinism is based, but at the end of the day Suslov basically achieves the same result, as his USSR very much is the OTL stalinist (well, more like post-Stalin hardliner) one, just not in name. The other two I might try are Bukharina and Zhukov. I think the later might just be a shittier version of all the others, as at the end of the day he is a military man without a civilian government, but maybe I'm wrong.

Anyway, yesterday I did an IRA Ireland run. Even whit Twomey couping the IRA left, it is still pretty fucking based. It's really cool how they describe the revolution happening and the old government collapsing. Not to mension how it was cool to see ICG plot blow over and seeing the Garta totally outplayed. Will be cool to see future content added in for him later, hope there will be sort of left-IRA take over path that pushes Twomey back to the sideline, but even if not, his own plan of "Making Ireland into the IRA and vice versa" is still kinda based, even if he doesn't call himself a proper socialist or marxist. Also liked the little touch of Molotovs being renamed to Zhdanovs.


>My last red flood game.
>Jan 1st 1946
>The State of Time (Me) Conquered everything between the east bank of Kiev and the sea of Japan (I killed all of China and Russia and pushed to Korea but it got to 46' before i organised a naval invasion of the home isles)
>our other geographic borders is the himalyan border with the State of the Avatar in India (Devi killed Churchill then swallowed India, Burma and Thailand but got cockblocked from killing china by me).
>Artuad killed both the Brit'in and the germs AND the intermarium and now the league basically owns western europe up to the west bank of kiev
>America went Liberal and did nothing the whole game except imperialism in central america
Cold war mod when?
Anyway i saw a new country i didn't know could spawn before (Siberian-peoples-Republic) during it some im gonna go for a Maoist / Revisionist Russia next game.


>Nah, he goes multi-party system.
Yeah, but doesn't he only allow socialist parties to run?


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Is WC possible at this point? Granada, Hejaz, Ajam and Avaria are vassals


How much of a pain in the ass is it to get Gus Hall and have both majorities in the House and Senate? And why does Hall make the redditoids seethe so much?


Not sure how much of a pain in the ass it is, however, IIRC, you have to go down right-wing paths and deliberately fuck 'em up in order to get Gus Hall as President


>Why does Hall make redditors seethe so much?
Because he is bad ok? Because mod devs said so he is bad you dig, dog???
But in reality it is because TNO very much is a radlib-dominant mod, perhaps more left than that when you consider the "outsider" communities that love it, like us, but for the average TNO player the idea of an openly anti-LGBTQ is the ultimate trigger that for them acts as a recognisable "red-brown" fascist dogwhistle. Like hell, try to cancel Zhukov (or is it Suslov, don't recal now) for not having an LGBTQ social law change in his focus tree.
Secondly, a large contingent of them are burger liberal chauvanists who sirclejerk around "le bastion of liberty" shit, so to them, even if Hall was wholesome 100, the very fact that he can only be elected if US shits the bed is a step too far.

As for getting him, I am pretty sure its alright if you know what to do. The one hard step is getting the SAW to go your way. Basically your aim is to win SAW with full mandates during first to years of RFK, which implies: a) spending a long time holding out and trying to keep SA from loosing, but never turning the tide the first year or so, and then being able to execute a full victory fast enough before the midterms. The main goal here is to get the mandates to explode at just the time Bennet is starting his neoliberal shit. For short, here is what you do in a Hall run:
Loose Guyana
Don't do foci as Nixon to stack PP
Do all the PP costing SAW decisions that increase discontent with the war, preferably maxing it out with Carmack
Start pushing back the Shlid, aiming for late 71 early 72 victory
Only do the radical shit as RFK while pissing off unions
Don't repeal the CRA as Strom
Be corrupt and bungle the union busting as Goldwater
Get Hall

This is the standart path. I also heard you can somehow do it with MCS, but I would imagine that doesn't work well with the Mandate collapse strat.


Prime WC position depending on your ideas


How the fuck did AI manage to fuck up reconquista that bad?




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>Not doing EPIC Upton Sinclair America
Cringe. You could have done literally the most wholesome while simultaniously based path in all of TNO mod scene but you chose against it. Sad!


I think Chase Smiths route for getting a funni ending has something to do with her mechanics.
She's basically the NPP's version of Bennet and needs to keep a bunch of factions happy and the party united (which much like Bennet is broken as fuck she's the only prez asides from Bennet who can achieve one-party state tier Midterm and presidential victories)
iirc her failstate happens if either the NPP-C or NPP-FR relations meter hits zero in which case Harrington / Wallace and Thurmond basically just take their ball and go home. and depending on which one she alienated she basically has to make Hall (if Harrington walked out) or Yockey (If Strom/Wallace walked) the face of their respective branch of the party to win back some support.
This then leads (yet again iirc) to Chase not running again in 72 and either Hall or Yockey is simply the default primary candidate in-place of the usual 72 prez for their branch of the party unreliant on NPP-Y/L popularity.


Upton Sinclair is the leader of Maoist liberated zone of California yes?


Ideas are Influence, Quantity, Diplomatic and Offensive, haven't completed most of them due to annexing vassals and coring land non-stop

I no-cbed Granada and Byzantium and force vassalized them during the first two years of the game


Daily reminder that Grand Strategy is the whitest, malest genre of games and that never before has a uyghur, spic, chink, sanduyghur, or fem*id pondered "should I use this money to build dreadnoughts to counter the UK or build railways to increase France's industrial power?"


He is one of the three options for California post-Federal Collapse. The others being a funni esoteric ghost buster and the liberal state council that kicks him and Sinclair out.


Kys whitoid. Go to a cuck pit or somewhere and let people enjoy shit.


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What are your guys opinion on the fire rises? IMO it seems pretty interesting, its also the most realistic american second civil war mod.


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never heard of it, is there a link?




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Look how cute they are together




What a retarded take. Replace him with Maupin with a Dugin alliance and you’re golden.


guy who made this probably thinks marxism leninism maoism, mao zedong thought, communism with chinese characteristics, and dengism are all the same thing


>capitalism, capitalism, capitalism and capitalism aren't all the same thing




He’s got a point. Mao was a literal retard that tolerated both the reactionary petit bourgeoisie and the large national capitalist because of his national chauvinism.


He would fit right in with the other pseuds on /leftypol/ then.


I too get all my information about China and Maoism from memes and shitposts.


>Memes are when Mao said it in stone in the manifesto
I swear most western mautists don’t even know what the fuck they’re following.
In the manifesto of the people’s liberation army:
>We are the army of the Chinese people and in all things we take the will of the Chinese people as our will. The policies of our army represent the urgent demands of the Chinese people and chief among them are the following:
>(1) Unite workers, peasants, soldiers, intellectuals and businessmen, all oppressed classes, all people's organizations, democratic parties, minority nationalities, overseas Chinese and other patriots; form a national united front; overthrow the dictatorial Chiang Kai-shek government; and establish a democratic coalition government.
Later elaborating have this:
>"Businessmen" means all the national bourgeois who are persecuted and fettered, that is, the middle and petty bourgeois.
>"Other patriots" refers primarily to the enlightened gentry.
<“enlightened kulaks”
>The national bourgeoisie is a class which is politically very weak and vacillating. But the majority of its members may either join the people's democratic revolution or take a neutral stand, because they too are persecuted and fettered by imperialism, feudalism and bureaucrat-capitalism.
I love how he openly opposes to “bureaucratic capitalism” and not capitalism itself. Dude was completely fine with kulaks. At least Bukharin only said that capitalist is only a means to an end that should be eliminated when the time comes. Even leftnats like Castro didn’t stoop this low.
How do you think that almost half the party were following Deng and Zhou while a quarter were fascists that followed the Gang of Four when the cultural revolution came around?


>At least Bukharin only said that capitalist is only a means to an end that should be eliminated when the time comes. Even leftnats like Castro didn’t stoop this low.
But Mao literally did get rid of them during the cultural revolution though?
What needs to be remembered is the sheer SCALE of China and the fact that large parts of the mainland were still outside of the CPC's control until the early 60s.
Xinjiang and Tibet had multiple uprisings and small guerrilla groups pledging allegiance to the ROC were continuing to attack in Yunnan supported by the west and burma.
The Cultural revolution basically solved this question by ending the question of dual authority in China. The last of the rural landowners, ex-KMT General-Governors who had kept their position by switching sides to the red army and other systems from before the establishment of the PRC were abolished and the entire country was bought under one standardised meritocratic and top-down method of governance.


The cultural revolution was called off before any real and permanent revolutionary changes could be made. The bourgeois nationalist elements at the top of the CPC protected their friends and their influence and the reactionary red guard factions successfully fought off the rebel guard factions and then the whole thing was shuttered when the actual consequences of a real cultural revolution being unleashed made the CPC bourgeois democratic revolutionaries too nervous. The gang of four were locked up and the workers told to go back to their factories and stop agitating. Mao cucked out to his fellow petit bourgeois nationalist friends and set the stage for Deng to carry out China's very own thermidorian reaction, the consequences of which we're living with today.


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The Fire Rises Teaser
This is the tree of burgerland before the country collapses into civil war.


>no path for keeping bannon and firing miller
Leninist trump would be fun


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the mod starts in 2020 and the pod is that the blm protests escalate and become way worse then otl, the dems then try to coup trump and take DC, but Trump runs off to the Rockies and raises an army, the country basically collapses from there, their are also civil wars in Saudi Arabia and North Korea, but America has the most content, with a communist faction that has a lot of content and also many, many far-right paths


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There should be a sekrit ultra-unwholesome cursed path for SDP germany in Red-Flood.

There should be an event that triggers if you take a certain focus or fill a certain hidden check (low party popularity or stability or choosing to 'intergrate germany into the global economy' or something like that) where the Rightist-SDP attempts a coup or starts protesting / splits and Frahm has to sick the bizzaro world version of the Reichsbanner-SRG on them which then escalates into a fun sized cultural revolution all across germany with a black-pilled dictator Frahm in charge.


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Still looks like an apartheid state to me bro


There is probably gonna be a path to stop it I'd guess… but maybe not


>Einstein is an agent of red Germany
Probably it was Goebbels who sent him there in the first place so it’s of course a left Zionist state.


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"Stop Syrian Agression"



Birch path in a nutshell:
>Elected as Harington
>Oh no! Hardliners spooky, they will couo us!
>Just trust me, they will!
>I know, we will coup them! Haha, this can't fail
>Make dirty dealings and preperations for backroom backstabbings to oust this evil Leninist from the party
>Try to fry his ass with a sugary speech
>Party rightfully gets pissed at you for doing a plain-to-see couo and ousts you instead
>Birch and Hardliners take ​over because Haringtons schizoid paranoia killed support for his entire wing
>This is supposedly the bad ending
I do wonder how much of this is the case because the devs were libs and thought people would instantly be hostile to Birch for being a hardliner, and how much of it is just underdeveloped. Because damn, Birch doesn't even get a real introduction, just different liberals im the SLP starting shit behind his back "cuz he be Leninist". Hope they rework it. Maybe add a Birch couo path that happens concurently with Harington so it wouldn't just look like the former is just a paranoid idiot, and would actually give character to Birch. And also would be cool if they added a "no split" path as well, where Harington isn't a birch, doesn't go after Birch and just doesn't rock the boat and tries to accomodate both sides.




You mean Wilson right? Harrington is the NPP-C demsoc


Yes, for some reason I confused Harold and Harington.


apparently there's an ideology rework coming for red flood. i wonder how much more retarded turd positionist takes on ideologies are going to be inserted


Yep. Apparently they’re adding Stirner gang to the anarchist tree. Also spartakism will replace council communism.
Based on the build up in the new update next content will be Indochina, Egypt, Arabia, Anatolia and Caucasus.


Mayakovsky’s Kavkas society is by default literally the “best path” in the game since his flavour event and News event literally describes ‘greater utopia’ as borderline actual heaven on earth / post scarcity F.A.L.C


Post-scarcity FALC in wartorn post-warlord Russia?


why are HOI4 modders so obsessed with making mosely left-wing


I was planning to use a left-wing Mosley in my DH mod. It's too overdone isn't it? I was gonna use a left-wing Mussolini too.


what other mod besides kaiserreich makes him a leftist?


tale of two brothers, to name one

do not let me discourage you anon, do it


the mosley memorandum was pretty based and labour were demonstrably wrong to reject it. in that sense, it's sort of tragic he went down the road he did after it was rejected and he was demoted. so i'm assuming it's largely down to the appeal of the future that never was.


Thanks m8, hopefully I'll get around to making it someday


But Russia in Red-Flood isn't 'Warlord' tier just very poor.
And the Kavkaz society regardless of leader literally gets like 8 research slots implying that their insanely technological advanced tiers of development.


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CWIC new alt-history paths




>Anti-revisionist pact
>Peking pact
Depends on who is the leader, but still kibda cringe

Reminder to all antirevisionistkiddies that it was either Khruschev and destalinization, or Beria with Stalin's legacy preserved, but USSR also being cucked out to US for Marshall plan gibs and dissolved into EU-type federation, while DDR would be fully thrown out to the wolves.


The only 'Stalin's legacy' Beria would've preserved is betraying the revolution and cucking out the communist movement to the whims of western capital at every turn.


what about Molotov


did they get rid of the cringe "stalin genocided jews and was thought of as an omnipotent god" stuff?


Sounds extraordinarily opposite to the real Beria to me. He was a huge reformist at points even worse than Khrushchev.
>Peking pact
Wonder how anyone could fixed the total fucked policies Mao did to the rest of Asia. Probably not betraying indochina for a shitty buffer zone and purging Zhou Enlai early.




If I vassalize León will they colonize for me? I'm playing as the Mamluks and no-cbed Granada and turned them into a March. but I'm debating wheter should I annex them and release León or not


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more teasers


curious about this too, comrades please resbond


As far as I'm aware, that's still in there




if i recall correctly, some dev said they knew it was cringe and would be changed in the soviet rework


Based if true


>Playing red flood.
Ok wait so what functionally is the difference between Artuad and the Fiume leaders 'Accelerationism' and irl Fascism?
In two of Artuads three routes (The one where Artuad Stands alone, And the one where he allies with Saint-Loup) He more or less embodies the usual characteristics of French Fascism / National-Syndicalism (Though in Saint-Loups path he adds being a Teddite on top of that)
And as for Italy Keller and Shimoi are blatantly just different flavours of actually existing Italian fascism (Marinetti also sorta counts but he's right up there with Escadron-Artuad as not just a fascist but straight up 'supervillain' tier)

But what makes this more confusing is that Italo Balbo and the Blackshirts became leader of Italy in my game which means the Blackshirts and assumedly the PNF still literally exist in this timeline.


It’s fascism in everything but name. But tell that to the devs and that will trigger them immensely. I suspect most of them are just ashamed fascists that are too cowardly to come out of the closet and proxy it with his hodgepodge of ideology.


100% agree with this, I feel like they have spent so much time with these 'meme ideologies' that they themselves have started to actually consider them seriously and now resent the community for pointing out that Red Flood is a fucking meme.


Anyone here mod Paradox games? How the fuck do I make flags? Or just graphics in general? I'm not a graphic designer.


IDK how to import them into the game, but if you need a graphics editor then Paint.net or Krita are both great choices and there are lots of tutorials available for them.


I mean I can probably import them fine, certainly flags should be no problem, my problem is actually creating the flags themselves, ones that aren't already existing flags at least. I have paint.net and GIMP but I may need to try out Krita as well.


It probably started out as “ironic” memes but as time goes on it attracted actual schizos who took it seriously like Athelas.


This ARP is silly lol. It would actually make sense as a Balkan-Soviet split following a Greek civil war where the KPD don't cuck out to Moscow.


>the KPD


>attracted actual schizos who took it seriously like Athelas.
Kek, what?


usually the AI doesn't colonize if you vassalize them before they have colonies, but if they already do they will continue to as long as they have enough money to sustain it


Anybody still play Darkest Hour?


I do, but somewhat rarely.


Well I'm considering porting the Armageddon scenario from HOI2 to DH as well as adding some additional content. I may post it here if I ever do.


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I hope they include her through an event to splinter from the Dems as a mild isolationist succdem.


There better be a blanquist Joe Sestak carnaton revolution path




you should have changed your religion to tengri and culture converted to Ethiopian for maximum whitoid slaying power.


wtf someone actually finished a game


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>TNO, Wilson.
>Entire section of Wilsons tree is him trying to manipulate the socialist party into booting Reg's entire wing out and allying with Social-Democrats to fill the void.
>The final event in this chain is literally Wilson making a big secret speech about how much of a redfash tankie stalinboo nazbol birch is and how he needs to go to 'Save the party'
<If you fail to win enough of the party to Wilsons side their like 'WTF IS THIS WRECKER DOING???' And boot him thus replacing him with Birch since he's the second most prominent person in the fucking party in this timeline.
<Authoritarian Socialist Party becomes ruling party

The Nazi-Collaborator LibDem path is also funny.
Its literally.
>"We finally did it LibDem gang…We scrapped first past the post!"
<"What did it cost"


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>many, many far-right paths
ngl, I got the feeling that all but a select few are gonna "better" than the commie paths


>1st set of green/orange texts

>2nd set of green/orange texts



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Why did jannies delete my pic? Fucking smegmaskins


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Looks like it’s gonna be both difficult and fun playing as East America and win against all odds. Wonder how the devs would try to balance this.


What a lovely color


Anybody have any tips on Communist China playthrough for hoi4?


Played the shit out of that country trying to get the achievements. What tips do you need?


not that anon, but I could use a few pointers. What's the general strategy in the sino-japanese war? KMT china always fucking lets me down but eating up all supply so the japanese tanks just break through


Let the Japanese land a bunch of troops in naval invasions, encircle and exterminate them, rinse and repeat until they're all dead. Don't try to seriously push into Manchuria until their forces are super weakened, just hold your ground at the starting borders (and advance opportunistically tile by tile if you see a weak point).




Ok, so here are some import points:

-Train your troops until they are level 3.

-Make 7/2's (they're not meta anymore blablablablablabla, i know but you're poor as fuck, so this will have to make do), and slowly update your previous trash infantry and cavalry divisions to them.

-Hire military advisors, specifically the army logistics expert. The difference when having him on is night and day, and makes pushing into Mengkukuo much, much easier. Other recommendable advisors include:
<Infantry expert.
<Army Regrouping expert.
<Entrenchment expert, if you plan on grinding them down for a bit (which is usually what i do until i can update my divisions to 7/2), though it isn't obligatory to hire him.

Chief of army is either the Army Morale expert or the Army Defense expert, i'll leave that up to you.

It is also recommendable that, if possible, you decrypt Japan's cipher, as well as launch the 100 regiments offensive. It's really helpful when pushing and seeing their shit fall apart.


When joining the war, you can take one of two approaches:

1. You join it after setting up your defenses in a fallback line on your border with Mengkukuo and gaining entrenchment bonus, this ensures the nationalists don't fucking die, as some enemy divisions will stay there and won't maraud the KMT as much as they normally do. Time will be mostly spent defending (doing some pushes here and there whenever the AI does its thing and forgets to man up/barely mans up some tile), but also focusing on upgrading your division templates and building stockpiles. When you feel the time is right (your divisions are strong enough/theirs are weak), you strike and seek to overrun Mengjiang. At this point, they will start to fall apart, and killing Manchukuo shouldn't be a problem (just watch for the AI trying to encircle you, as at this moment you'll probably be snaking quite a lot).

2. Do NOT join the war immediately, you want the nationalists to do a lot of the initial heavy lifting (but don't let them die either). Only do so when you're fully ready (i.e. done everything i said so far), at which point the Japanese should be starting to stretch their lines, and you can overrun Mengjiang swiftly depending on the circumstances (the 7/2's will trash what the fascists put there), and even cut their forces in half if you manage to get to Qingdao, though no guarantees.

If you push the Japanese army out of the continent, you should get an event where Japan offers you a white peace, and you prepare to turn on Chiang Kai-Shek. However, i never got it since the DLC is bugged as fuck, in which case, simply build subs (preferably by getting some other country's license production/lend-lease), naval bombers, raze the IJN to the bottom of the ocean, and invade Japan. Its army will be very pathetic given the multiple naval invasions you repelled during your preparation (tip: the AI loves trying to invade the Korean peninsula, so you can either repel it each time, or you let them get a bit of a foothold, and destroy whatever troops they mindlessly shuffle in it).


General notes:

Also, try to encircle their troops whenever an opportunity appears. It takes a medium amount of time to see their army bleeding, but it is well worth the effort.

Make plans to create planing bonuses, these can be handy buffs in battles.

If the war with Japan takes too long (i'm talking 1946 level long), it is possible that the KMT will start doing the One China Policy focus, which will makes them immediately attack you, even if in the middle of the war. So keep an eye out for that.

The guide i used to properly learn how to play is the embed video.


What are the current "meta" division templates? Is it still 40w infantry/arty space marines with a few SPGs and TDs? I recall those were the absolute kings during together for victory.



Thanks, from >>11186

>If you push the Japanese army out of the continent, you should get an event where Japan offers you a white peace, and you prepare to turn on Chiang Kai-Shek. However, i never got it since the DLC is bugged as fuck

Ah okay, that was a big problem for me. I manage to push the Japanese out of Korea and at first I thought, okay, that's it, but somehow they keep coming up with the manpower and shit to keep launching invasion after invasion. This happened to me right after I started a communist uprising and went to war with the KMT, only for Japan to drop an invasion in both South Korea and Northern China. Either one of which would have been manageable, if my imports from Uncle Joe didn't suddenly go through the floor.

>2. Do NOT join the war immediately, you want the nationalists to do a lot of the initial heavy lifting (but don't let them die either).

So I shouldn't follow the video's advice and go the Government of National Defense route or whatever?

Thank you. I actually saw that video before and it's what got me started playing China, but I had no way of knowing if the information in it was still accurate, or if there might be better ways to go about it, though borrowing his strategies have gotten me through pretty well so far.


>So I shouldn't follow the video's advice and go the Government of National Defense route or whatever?

No, you absolutely should. What you should not do is joining the war immediately (if you take the second approach i laid out), let the nationalists do the initial fighting and build up your own strength. After you deem yourself ready, join the war with them.


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Nothing more satisfying than slaughtering Whit*ids like dogs as a TVRKISH nation in EU4


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Sneed and feed Central Asian refugee. How bout you play a nation that takes effort to play?


now try it in vicky 2


Red-Flood x Jojo part 6.

Artaud = Pucci
D, Annunzio = Dio.
Shimoi, Keller, Marinetti = Sons of Dio.
Lev Sedov = Jolyne.
Trotsky = Jotaro
Nitti, Kolchak, Churchill, Avatar, Sternburg = Jobros.

l'etat irreal = Made in heaven.

I will not explain further.


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>please don't


What mods you guys generally use with hoi4 (total conversion/non-total conversion)? I have a few of my own, but the amount of "essential" mods can be very mind numbing. I want to use so many of them, but it's so overwhelming.


Ooh, I get you.

By the way, the game doesn't really seem to make clear, but is there any advantage to infiltrating multiple provinces, or is one as good as them all?


>mamluks > arabia
Wake me up when you get the three mountains achievement


No clue. Whenever i tried doing these infiltrations, i always failed, so i didn't use them a lot.


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Average gsgoid


I didn't know they were this bad


This is my experience also, infiltration seemed pointless, though I guess it makes China waste their PP along with you (whatever that's worth)


all it does is fuck up military factories, I wouldn't bother. just get the one sabotage you need to start a communist uprising and crush them with a conventional army


This one kinda gets me because Oranje is unironically my favourite default Vic2 nation (by non-default I obviously mean my homebrew day-one save file where I tag-switched between all the big boy countries and dissolved them via releasing all their territory and devassalizing). Ornaje is basically the only country that both has access to natural resourcess, has a government that allows building factories and enough room to grow while not being OP, and having some more interesting challanges like taking down South Africa and Portugal. Also creating a Red-Africa superstate is pure kino towards the late game.


Is Hoi4 still build-14-divisions-of-medium-tanks-and-steamroll-literally-any-nation simulator or has it gotten better?


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>tfw Steam decided to redownload all my fucking HoI IV mods
For fuck sake, they're all on my fuckin' computer, the fuck you redownloading all that for?


The next update will greatly revamp the way combat currently works by changing many minor, albeit important stats (best example being the over stacking division penalty getting wayyyy less severe).

But it'll be locked behind a DLC. so poorfags are fucked lol.


just pirate everything bruh


Apparently WerBell was a known associate of Lyndon LaRouche
LaRouche path for America confirmed? Is TNO based and Plato-pilled?


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comrade goebbels at it again


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>not Vicky 2
into the trash it goes


What mod?


I want to beat to pulp the one who made this


Alt-history mods are only gonna get dumber, huh?


>The USA was plunged into instability by Wilson’s failure and largely collapsed in 1928, while in France the military under Foch seized power. In Italy, Gabriele d’Annunzio overthrew the monarchy, with the royalists fleeing to Sardinia. The chaotic republic in Germany gave way to right-wing authoritarians and revolutionary socialists who carved out their own fiefdoms amidst the chaos, while the Prussian junkers established an aristocratic republic in what land they could hold on to.

>With no side able to gain a clear upper hand in the Russian civil war, fighting died down and regional forces entered into a stalemate. The United Kingdom, having lost it's good relations with France and bankrupted by the collapse of America, fell into decline, with territorial losses in Ireland, India and South Africa over the 1920s.

More interesting than TNO tbh


>Goebbels a strasserite
That’s pretty dumb but seems like this one have so potential.
We have multiple German won ww2/ww1 mods now. It already got dumber.


>That’s pretty dumb but seems like this one have so potential.
To be fair, I'm pretty sure that Goebbels was part of the Strasserite wing of the Nazis, at least until Hitler came to power


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Tag yourself


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The Brony


If i'm a retard that plays HOI4 because i get to fight, conquer, destroy and do other simplistic things that entertain my monke brain, instead of actually building an managing an empire/civilization, could there be any other paradox (or any other grand strategy game for that matter) which i would enjoy? Even if i had to force myself to learn a bit before getting into?


>STRENG GEHEIM covers at least 3 Stalin tree sized trees, all of which fall under the "Path of ML" choice
Uhhh, based? One is obviously Colonel Sanders, but I hope the other 2 have some spicy shit, and its not just one super-giant trot tree, or some meme Monbol Berezniki or Pagan Tukhachevsky paths along with the trot one.


CK2/3 is pure unhinged ID the game, but more from the Freudian sexual perspective, though I'd argue the combat is quite nice once it clicks, and its fun to do one-life swap to random ruler when you die games.

EU4 is the quintesential map painter sim, however I can't vouch for newer versions as I dropped it a few years back, and the new DLCs migh have fucked some shit up, as I recall the game at some point getting worse with each addition of new dumb mechanics. For one I highly recommend disabling Cossacks, since it fucks up the original games diplo system into a more annoying one.


wait for Victoria 3


I am curious though, is Goebbels in that mod like in Red Flood and the Kaiserredux submod Roter Morgen and just do "Nazi Germany but with a red coat of paint" or are they doing something different?


yes, in fact there he's even more of a nazi than his other versions. his party starts in a coalition with actual fascists including hitler and his final germany borders are just a copy of otl ww2 germany borders


Mhmm, and what about the "Red imperialism" and "Volkskommisariats" they part of Gobbels' path aswell?

>he's even more of a nazi than his other versions

I swear to god if the mod thinks that Nazi=left….


I'd lowkie want to do a mod where Goebels does indeed lead the revolution in Germany but is actually an ultra based communist ideologue, basically like a German Lenin with the power of speech to raise millions of workers to action, and basically becomes the leading star of the world revolution. Problem is everyone would look at that weird and ask "why the fuck are you making wholesome Goebels??!??, to which I say… yea, fair point


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I think they're going to be Bukharin and Zinoviev. Looking at the tree for Stalin that's what it seems.


Well, there's an alternate history timline on ah.com where Hitler is a communist and Goebbels joins up with him lmao


>>11481 (Me)
But yeah, I say, go for it anyway lmao


Isn't this too historically inaccurate? Perhaps if the start date were 1933. But by 36 Stalin had already won, that's part of the tragedy of the purges and how unnecessary they were. It also starts to give some justification to stalin, as if his paranoid fears were real. This is like if they had a tree for germany where you can be the jews and make the german people slaves to global jewery


I wish




>Darkest hour makes you a racist
Welp I guess I’m one.


Shhh don't tell that to anyone

Btw their German tree is still worse. They completely gloss over the fact that the holocaust happened


Not to mention no KPD path for whatever reason


>Btw their German tree is still worse. They completely gloss over the fact that the holocaust happened
Coincidentally enough, they about it for a bit in the subreddit




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Didn’t they stole the propaganda mechanic from a mod? What’s worse is that they made it as if that’s something unique to the Soviets even though everyone was propagandizing.


>Didn’t they stole the propaganda mechanic from a mod?
I mean, i guess, but people will say that whenever Pdx introduces any new mechanic based in ww2 that happened to also be in a mod.

>What’s worse is that they made it as if that’s something unique to the Soviets even though everyone was propagandizing.

I don't think anyone considered this idea. Hell, i even saw people saying it was incredibly rad and that they wished for other countries to have it as well.


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Yeah, I honestly don't care if they steal from mods, because mods are infinitely better than vanilla, but the political stuff, that is fucking shameful. I mean if you want to portray 'the human side of the purges' in your Eastern Front DLC, okay, fine, but how about a bit of a fucking mention of Generalplan Ost then? Fucking Nazi sympathisers. HOI is becoming the most deranged Nazi propaganda game since Company of Heroes 2.


>Yeah, I honestly don't care if they steal from mods, because mods are infinitely better than vanilla
I mean, i like them officially incorporating it to vanilla, as it makes my modlist just a little bit less haphazard.

>I mean if you want to portray 'the human side of the purges' in your Eastern Front DLC, okay, fine, but how about a bit of a fucking mention of Generalplan Ost then?

Agreed. Playing endsieg and seeing the events talking in a moderate amount of detail about the historical occurrences was a really nice experience.

>HOI is becoming the most deranged Nazi propaganda game since Company of Heroes 2.

How bad is it? I got CoH for free once and barely played (mostly because hoi consumed my soul). Hope it is as good as Men of War looks.


>How bad is it?
Ever watch enemies at the gate? It’s basically that with the asiatic horde and all. The gameplay was dumbed down to serve the anti-communist propaganda.


EU4 is g*rmoid supremacist propaganda, the only reason Europe is a pain to conquer is because the 283828288282 germ cities can amass 100K troops against you each


The real problem is the agressive expansion for attacking the hre from outside the hre.
If you're playing in europe, and you want to conqueror Germany, you should look to become emperor, or friends with the emperor. Then it's free real estate.


>enemies at the gate
That's all i need to know.

Hope i can at least have a good laugh from it.


>How bad is it?


Hopefully Relic go bankrupt after AoE4. It looks like dogshit. And what they did with DoW is just sad.


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Holy shit


>We have multiple German won ww2/ww1 mods now. It already got dumber.
we need more mods set in the modern day and cold war era. I want to see a mod where the USSR won the cold war and is in a collision coarse towards WW3 with China while America is in a civil war and can unify and support either side.
>Play Red World
Red World has no content for China
>This is like if they had a tree for germany where you can be the jews and make the german people slaves to global jewery


Red World had potential but too bad the original creator was a monarchist. In that mod the USSR only won through sheer luck.
A better one would be that China went for cooperation with the US just in time for them to collapse due to civil rights falling through, the panthers got their shit together and the 70s oil crisis never ended. At the mean time another Israeli - Arab war began which crumbled both Saudi Arabia and Israel. Europe went independent but highly fascist.


IMO a good TL for a Soviet Cold War win would be where Molotov becomes General Secretary instead of Khrushchev, he boosts the Soviet Economy but makes the USSR more nationalist and this alienates other socialist countries form the USSR. The US never gets involved in Vietnam but during the Oil Crisis tries to invade Saudi Arabia (this was planed IOTL) and wins but if forced to pull out due to pan arab guerillas. Then the US implements neoliberlaism to deal with stagflation but this causes a second great depression. The US collapses into warlord states. In the 90s happens the UAR unifies the Arab people and China and the USSR fight over influence of communist countries. In the 2000s Islamists blow up the Kremlin causing the USSR to go on a "red neocon" regime change spree that topples the remaining capitalist nations in Europe and Asia (Switzerland, Spain, Sweden, Turkey, Iran, Thailand) The USSR alleged that these countries provided financing to Islamists but these claims were found to be false. The USSR is driven out of these countries by guerilla movements, that then turn on each other after the Soviets leave. Different factions in America are still duking it out with China and the USSR supporting different factions. Europe while becoming socialist in the late 80s had high economic growth until the 2010s where aging demographics cause an economic stagnation and cause their to be austerity and immigration and all the controversy that comes from that. European countries are also in a big debate about weather to allow liberal political reforms such as multi party elections as well. The world is by in large socialist who a few capitalist holdouts in areas of America and Africa. The PRC and USSR are at the brink of war after a socialist but pro-Independence and pro-Soviet party is elected in Taiwan in 2019.


TTL isn't hyper-realistic but good for a hoi4 mod because nothing is to implausible and the geopoltical situation is dynamic in a way that would make a hoi4 game fun.


>we need more mods set in the modern day and cold war era that are interesting and change the combat nature of hoi4 into something more long term


Oh fuck I forgot they were doing AoE4. I wonder how bad they'll manage to fuck it up.


Honestly Victoria 3 would work better as a base for a modern day mod, might as well wait for that to come out.


The plot to overthrow the Soviet government was real, and without the purges you would have a 1000 Vlasovs running around
In contrast the muh jewish plot was a lie, and Hitler knew it. Nazism was a plot of personal enrichment for the party and german industrialists, nothing more.


Perhaps. I'm curious to see if the game will get my interest.


Who would be in charge after Molotov eventually dies? Another possibly big difference could be that both India and Indonesia turned communist in the 70s but are staunch anti China and USSR creating a multipolar post capitalist world with 4 aggressive pillars.


So far the art direction is the same flashy cheap Moba cartoon they did with DoW3. The gameplay is painfully average, nothing AoE2 can’t beat. RTS as a whole is a dead genre now.


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The Second West Russian War mod is pretty fun. It adds some good content for post-reunification Russia.


2WRW Dev here, thanks for kind words, there much more content to come!
P.S: Special thanks from me, as i'm Suslov Dev, and it puts smile on my face knowing that somebody actually plays him.


Resident Suslov stan here, is he already out for 2WRW? I assumed it was only Novosibirsk(?) that had full content and everyone else just had a skeleton war with some flavor events for capitulating X city, and thus was too lazy to download the mod before you guys added the first socialist/communist unifier paths.


Sadly no, as for now development is almost exclusively focused upon Novosibirsk (Shukshin Especially), Omsk, Serov, and Tukhachevsky's WRRF(But Zhukov and his successors also get content done). Progress is mostly halted by general wait for TT, and fears of how it will break mod, plus few unifiers are getting reworked there. I got into Team recently, but thankfully was able to snatch suslov as last available communist unifier(outside of sablin whose is purposefully left out until rework), and right now I slowly but steadily develop him.


Cool. Any chance you could share some details of what you have cooked up for Suslov?


Is their any content for Zhdanov


>2WRW Dev here,


Can't say much, but i do plan to add some choices in political, economical trees, concerning possible reforms, possible Politburo mechanic (Trying to make it not a complicated GUI), to make Suslov's Union feel more alive. Also, Comrades by the names of Kitov and Glushkov, will have chance of appearing…
USF definitely has some progress done, but the dev before i joined wanted to make Ultravisionaries to become Posadist meme stash (with focuses for studying Dolphins and nuking the world) but after some stir in community, the dev got removed together with their ideas, and now different person is in charge, he works in the dark, but USF tree is less chaotic and meme they say


>Also, Comrades by the names of Kitov and Glushkov, will have chance of appearing…
Based. Looks like he's going to be the most based communist unifier then.


I was wondering if you guys could add a decision to invade the slave revolt if it going on during the SWRW. I had to use allow.diplo to go through them.


>USF definitely has some progress done, but the dev before i joined wanted to make Ultravisionaries to become Posadist meme stash (with focuses for studying Dolphins and nuking the world) but after some stir in community, the dev got removed together with their ideas, and now different person is in charge, he works in the dark, but USF tree is less chaotic and meme they say
Yeah, doing that would be way too memey tbh, even with one of WerBells' paths being able to build shit from MGS lmao


Not him, but I think if Slave Revolt happens it should start a special focus tree which would either completely derail the GO4 gambit and realign Brandt with Russia or have it be a pragmatic use of the situation with Russia taking out Schorner and then the Slave revolt.


Right now the lead dev's plan is to move swrw more in future to 75, and by then revolt would be over, but team has discussed hotfix, with would make sr join certain Russia Factions, while others just declare war on them, until big content arrives.
Well, some also had ideas of adding Evangelion, but the voting failed


Since you are Suslov lead, may I suggest making https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5Z8Bq35d0k (9:40 to 10:20) as the WRW2 victory superevent theme? It fits kinda perfectly following up the Reunification theme which is from the very start of the Cantata and would then lay the logical conclussion for 45:40 to 46:35 to be the theme for the "USSR wins the Cold War" event if that was ever implemented in TNO2


This is actually ultra based and badass! Whatever Sfx team had for Mikhail Andreyevich, i'm changing it for this, although the 9:40 would also sound great for Start of War Event for it is very tense and battle like, while 45:40 could also be victory event.
In anyway thanks, Cantata kinda slipped off my mind, it's definitely a good source for Suslov


Kinda disappointed there wasn't some military commander like Zhukov as a fourth leader option

Hopefully someone makes a mod for it, that'd be based


Finally I can play as Bukharin

But even better, we can have the collective and organic Party rule !


>Stalin is a paranoid dictator, there was no need for purges!


I like how can possibly do the focus 'The Comintern' and immediately form the fourth international lol


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>The Supreme Soviet
My oh my


What even is the endgame of Borman in TNO?


Does anyone know is any arab countries will be getting content for TNO?


They are developing in paralel 4 updates now. One for general improvements, one for Eastern Europe, one for NA and Co-Prosperity Sphere and one for Southern Europe. Following that there will be another batch of 3 for Balkans, for Japan and the rest of CPS and finally for the entire Middle East.


Gerontocratic bureaucracy perpetuating itself. The endgame is the life-support of the stagnant system collapsing in on itself and everyone in the party grabs up as much cash and state property as they can as everything is privatised, the einheitspakt collapses and german life expectancy falls by 15 years.


I'm assuming that this whole process will take two years minimum


In TNO what ideology would Al Quieda be?


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I think Kostany in Kazakhstan is supposed to be an islamist state and they are despotist now. Also there is this leak for Toolbox Theory that shows Central Asia, which shows off some of the new sub-ideologies, with the Islamic State having Ultranationalism with subideology of Fundamentalism and Talas has Despotism and Theocracyl. In short, I'd say Al Quieda is Ultranat, Khomeini is Despotist.


Would be funny if they were BurgSys.

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