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 No.461341

<Xi Bros…. I don't feel so good

Over the past week or so, major protests have been escalating in China due to the Zero COVID policy. Apparently, Chinese visitors to the world cup were astonished that no one outside of China cares about the coof anymore, and shared their thoughts on WeChat, which has exacerbated existed discontent. Now, protestors in China are calling for the removal of Xi and the CCP. Maybe nothing immediate will come of it, but it does indicate that cracks in the social cohesion and unity in China are developing, and this may have longer term ramifications.
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 No.461342

>>461341
>it's another china is totally gonna collapse episode
Has anyone else seen the literal hundreds of YouTube videos about how China is going to "collapse soon" or there is some major problem? Literal nothingburger again and again.
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 No.461343

>>461342
>Let's talk about nothing, then wonder why the left is irrelevant and sink into despair before sulkily stating that voting blue is the only option
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 No.461344

>CCP
+10 US Funbucks have been deposited in your CIA Super Savers Account
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 No.461346

>>461342
>Anti-China cringe online means these riots aren't happening.
The cope of tankies never ceases to amaze me.
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 No.461347

>>461342
Moreover, fag, the OP says nothing to the effect that China is on the verge of collapse. Great illustration of the poverty of the thinking of the left, which can only argue against imagined parodies.
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 No.461349

>>461343
The left feels more irrelevant when posting on some shitty Cambodian mattress weaving forum
>>461346
You seem confused because I said it was a nothingburger, not a happening, also I'm not a tankie or whatever.
>>461347
It's not happening, nothing will come of it, we've always been at war with east asia, yes.
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 No.461351

God talking to retards here is fucking terrible, fuck this I'm going to squat in an abandoned building. FUCK AMERICA FUCK THE SYSTEM BURN THE FACTOR.
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 No.461356

>>461351
>fuck this I'm going to squat in an abandoned building
See you next Tuesday.
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 No.461360

>>461349
>You seem confused because I said it was a nothingburger, not a happening, also I'm not a tankie or whatever.
It's defo not a nothing burger, and only tankies are this disingenuous about China
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 No.461362

Yeah china looks like it's population is having enough with it's authoritarianism.
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 No.461363

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>>461341
>Maybe nothing immediate will come of it, but it does indicate that cracks in the social cohesion and unity in China are developing
cracks are always there in capitalism (and leninist socialism to a lesser extent, tho due to different reasons, bcs it has it's own social dynamic), they just get bigger and really visible in times of crisis.

Cracks really first became visible when China's real estate sector shat the bed. Obviously the first defensive instinct of the supposed """leftists""" who are actually right-socdems, is to act like an ostrich, and deny that there are any cracks.

The right-socdem theory in general, and current chinese theory in particular, postulates that one can combine major private and socialized sectors indefinitely, that some balance between the two can be kept indefinitely.
This is in major contrast to Lenin, who postulated that one can't keep this balance for a prolonged time, and neither should one try to. Left-socdems (think post ww2 labour) are in agreement with Lenin on this, tho they take a different, more constitutional, political road to achieve this.

The major resulting difference as you can see between left-wing policy and right-wing policy is a vector of the economy between these two sectors. With left-wing policy it goes more in the socialized direction with time (more accelerated with leninism, less so with left-socialdemocracy, but the general movement is in the same direction), while with the right-wing policy it goes in the opposite direction (with more or less acceleration). I don't take "no movement" in either direction as anything that can exist in real world, because societies are dynamic systems, their basic feature is reproduction. So even when apparently there is little to no change in the political realm, there is still can (and I'd say must) be underlying change in the social system.

So the current chinese right-socdem orthodoxy is challenged with the reality that you can't keep the status quo indefinitely, that both sectors start to step on each other's toes when the line starts to slow down. That conflict is inevitable.
And this simple notion is an anathema to any kind of a social contract between classes.
So right-socdems are left faced with a choice. And so far they have always chose the right.

But obviously china will not collapse. There were only two internal collapses of human societies that really happened in relative peacetime - the Roman Empire and the Soviet Union. Both of them saw the upper classes losing interest in the whole system. Which is obviously not happening in china any time soon. If it goes down - it goes down with a bloodbath, not a whimper.

But the whole post-Deng "social contract", so to speak, is obviously on its way out.
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 No.461365

>>461363
The Roman Empire didn't collapse until Mehmet II knocked down the walls of Constantinople.
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 No.461367

>>461341
I haven't been paying attention, there's just so many fake stories about China's impending doom, that i'm assuming these stories are fake until proven otherwise.
China is 1.4 billion people, how many of those are unhappy about China's covid response ?
Is this genuine or is it another one of those Potemkin protest for western media consumption ?
Is there any concrete evidence there is a happening ?

>>461363
>Cracks really first became visible when China's real estate sector shat the bed.
When i read stuff like this, that makes me rather incredulous. They are communists they aren't going to destroy their economy because numbers in speculative markets that represent fictional capital tells them to. At most the Chinese state takes over some parts of the market economy that aren't working anymore ,and then the public sector grows at the expense of the private sector.
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 No.461370

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>>461367
>They are communists
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 No.461371

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>>461370
>They are communists
yes
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 No.461372

>>461371
>The largest sweatshop in the world is communist.
See, it was state capitalism all along.
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 No.461415

How insulting to Xi the dengoids telling this is a colored revolution. lmao. if it was, what would it tell you about china, bro?
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 No.461420

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ITT: haz incel anti-china so called leftists
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 No.461421

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 No.461422

>>461421
There are no contradictions with what Marx wrote in the glorious workers state of China.
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 No.461426

Daily reminder that the USSR and Maoist China were not Marxist but were in fact State-capitalist.
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 No.461427

>>461426
Tfw: socialism is a fantasy fanfic that only exists in one's imagination
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 No.461428

>>461426
Daily reminder that Chinese universities regularly hire neoliberal economists so they can push their deregulated capitalism bullshit.
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 No.461524

Xi chose death
and he will have it
KJU when the times are ripe
will enter Peking from the north
elect an emperor and save the day
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 No.461527

Damn, if the zero COVID restrictions are lifted we'll probably see a productivity crash in China for the next 6 months because the vaccines don't keep you from getting COVID, just from dying from it, and China is particularly vulnerable to COVID because of their high pollution and number of smokers.
The lockdowns were never about protecting people, just protecting capitalism from having to stop. A population that big that's never been exposed to COViD is going to wreak havoc on the economy.
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 No.461532

>>461427
The future always only exists in the imagination.
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 No.461533

>>461421
>American business helping the Chinese state crack down on socialists
Every time.
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 No.461537

>>461527
Nicotine reduces COVID infectivity. I thought you guys read the science…?
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 No.461538

>>461428
That might be out of date information. Because they have been strengthening Marxist studies recently , like for example here
https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1210302.shtml
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 No.461543

>CCP
howdoyoudofellowleftists.bmp
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 No.461544

>>461543
Jesus the board is retarded. Any ambiguity or nuance conflicts with the programming and is dismissed with convenient rhetoric.
>Oh you're not a real leftists
I've never seen a group that so lacked creativity while simultaneously being so self assurded. Virtually on the same level as tradcath antisemite retards. But at least they create content and attempt to reach out to people instead of sequestering themselves into safespace bubbles. And then you retards wonder why 'rightoids' have gained popularity so much more quickly.
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 No.461551

>>461544
Find a single official English source where the Communist Party of China refers to itself. Then, when you have failed to do that, ask yourself why the Western media makes this one exception to deform the name of the Communist Party of China compared to literally every single Communist Party in every other country of the world.
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 No.461553

>>461551
*refers to itself as "Chinese Communist Party" or "CCP"
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 No.461555

>>461551
Literally who gives a fuck.
>Omg you say the name wrong!!!!!
Great insight and valuable contribution, comrade
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 No.461558

>>461555
>Literally who gives a fuck.
Presumably people who don't want to wallow in a pile of propaganda if they can help it.
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 No.461561

>>461527
lol weak bait but funny nonetheless
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 No.461562

>>461558
>If you don't parrot official government phraseology you're wallowing in propaganda.
Comedy gold
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 No.461567

>>461562
On the other hand if you parrot deliberate distortions by Western anti-communists intended to dehumanize and drum up hostility for a third world war, you are the definition of a useful idiot.
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 No.461572

>>461567
>Communist Party of China
Totally fine
>Chinese Communist Party
OMG you dehumanizing reactionary pos!!

Are you deliberately trying to act like a clown?
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 No.461575

>>461537
>t. Phillip Morris lobbyist
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 No.461576

>>461561
The lockdowns were about crushing dissent, and now they're back firing.
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 No.461580

>>461575
Would take you 2 seconds of google to find out I'm right, but the NPC programing has you responding with reddit tier liberal snark
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 No.461581

>>461580
COVID attacks your lungs, and smoking BTFO's your lungs which is why China had the most dramatic COVID deaths (people dying in the streets) when the pandemic started.
And why don't you just post the goddamn study.
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 No.461583

>>461581
>Why won't you post the study
It's multiple studies from various countries and you're a lazy dunning kruger faggot.
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 No.461595

>>461583
Post them then, I'll bet dollars to doughnuts it's some small effect.
News fash dumbass, if your lungs look like the inside of a chimney you're probably going to die from a virus that attacks your lungs.
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 No.461596

>>461595
It's not my job to educate you. Like I said, 2 minutes on Google, smarty pants
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 No.461605

>>461596
It is, however, your job to support your own argument.
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 No.461609

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 No.461611

>>461609
Then your argument is dismissed, just as any claim without evidence can be.
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 No.461621

>>461609
haha what a faggot.
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 No.461622

>>461611
>I'm so smart but can't be bothered to read scientific journals. Facebook fact checkers and second hand msnbc talking points are good enough for me
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 No.461625

>>461622
For some one who supposedly reads scientific journals you sure do not have a lot of sources or citations to post.
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 No.461626

>>461622
>Dig up this obscure study I only half remember or you're a NPC.
Nah.
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 No.461627

>>461625
Takes a 2 minute google search. I can't help if you're a lazy do nothing faggot who parrots mainstream media
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 No.461628

>>461626
Multiple studies from various countries. The cognitive dissonance and dunning Kruger is strong with this one
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 No.461629

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>>461627
No, give anon the exact study you mention. That's so vague we could literally find multiple different results from a google search. You're just being a bitch. I am not even that anon I am just here to laugh at you
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 No.461631

>>461629
Google or duckduckgo: 'nicotine COVID study'
Then scan the first page or two of results
This isn't rocket science
How retarded are you
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 No.461632

>>461629
And honestly, this shit is old news. The fact that you aren't aware of it suggests a profound ignorance underlying the dunning kruger self assuredness
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 No.461633

>>461631
Holy shit I actually know what you are talking about and that shit has been totally debunked the study doesn't mention that smoking fights off covid you retard. The results were inconclusive.
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 No.461634

>>461632
Wow some one has egg on their face
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 No.461636

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>>461633
Here's a metastudy that attempts to debunk my claim, stating that smokers have more severe outcomes from COVID. What they don't highlight explicitly but is apparent from that data is that only around 5% of COVID hospitalizations are from current smokers.
Keep in mind, I said that nicotine plays a protective role, not smoking itself.
You're really not as smart as you think. But if you want to entertain me, please drop more gems that you gleaned from polifacts
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 No.461637

>>461633
>Totally debunked
>t. Reddit and the insert at the bottom of a Facebook post
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 No.461638

>>461636
Is there some kind of freebasing version of Nicotine I'm not aware of.
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 No.461639

>>461638
There are multiple ways to absorb nicotine.
In relation to these studies, nicotine, and smoking, a relavent distinction is that former smokers may on one hand have damaged lungs and thus more susceptible to negative outcomes from COVID while no longer ingesting nicotine which seems to offer some protection against infection.

I don't expect you to pick up on complexity though. So by all means, continue the reddit tier snark and dunning kruger syndrome.
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 No.461640

>>461637
>Presents claim with no supporting evidence

>NOOO U CAN'T DO EXACTLY THAT ONLY I CAN DO IT!


>>461638
Gum, patches, Chew, Smoking, Vaping, Hookas… There's many different ways to ingest nicotine.
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 No.461641

>>461640
>Gum, patches,
That's for people quitting smoking
Chew,
The only different one
>Smoking, Vaping, Hookas…
These are all just smoking
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 No.461642

>>4616

Chewing gum is an alternative to smoking. Some people chew it to get their nicotine fix. It's not 1980 anymore.

Vaping and hookas are not the same as smokgin especially vaping. Hook smoking is closer to smoking unfiltered cigars which are much WORSE for you than cigarettes.

I was a smoker for like 20 years m8.
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 No.461973

https://gowans.blog/2022/12/10/for-the-friends-of-socialist-china-a-very-bad-week/

Beijing's revealing that profits are more important than people and arms sales to the Saudis more important than Yemen, made a very bad week for @socialist_china.
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 No.461974

>>461973
>0 Chinese sources
>sources: Wall Street Journal, London analytics, etc.
hit me with the concrete changes of the zero-covid policy or stfu with this crap
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 No.461975

Hopefully we see the collapse of the "socialist" Chinese totalitarian state in the future, gonna be funny.
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 No.461985

>>461975
China outside of freedom of speech is a much better option than the united states in most metrics.
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 No.461995

>>461985
>Based ethno-centric mixed economy with a single political party and limited special rights or representation for women, fags, and minorities.
If only it were that simple.
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 No.462007

>>461973
>Beijing's revealing that profits are more important than people
They've been doing that for the last 50 years.
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 No.462161

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>>462007
>800 million people raised out of poverty
>Westoids be like
>just capitalism, brah

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