/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

interesting discussion of UBI in there

Basically that it keeps people dependent and beholden to an overclass while solving the problem of keeping economic circulation going and mitigating the crisis of overproduction under increased automation.

I mean he’s not completely converted. He still has an obsession with the middle class

I love reading pieces like this by actual rightoids who can fucking READ because it's really an interesting insight into how at least the intellectual thought processes of the other side.
Something I see the same with this author, and rightoid figures like say Hitchens is that they sound reasonable for the most part, but then become completely fucking blinded by their dumb preconcieved notions and moral/romantic views of the Middle Class, Capitalism etc
It always boils down to "Capitalism is actually good, but bad faith actors like cosmopolitian international capitalists are bad because they're not nationalistic so don't have loyalty". This is ridiculous, the reality is Marx was always right he just saw through the romanticsed views and saw the cold reality of Capitalist realism. These aren't bad faith actors, they're the most viciously successful element of the Capitalist class who Capitalism rewards.
The Marxist view isn't that Capitalists are bad people, they're just agents of capital. How can Marxism view Capitalists as bad people when Engels himself was a Capitalist elite? Again the Rightoid mind can't seem to seperate systematic logic from moralism. They know Capitalist business people and they're good friends and very nice, polite people, so they're not bad or evil. It doesn't matter if they're bad or good or nice or rude, all that matters is the role they play within the Capitalist machine.
I definitely get the view that the most intellectual rightoids, seem to be massive romantics and moralfags and this leads them to having utterly childish, "splitting" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splitting_(psychology) ) views when confronted with the overwhelming truth of Scientific Marxism.

Also "Waah if Socialism is correct, why did the USSR collapse" uhh because the USSR was ruled by shitheads and Radlibs? Because the Materialist development for a transition to Socialism has not yet been achieved? (Unlike what this article claims (can be chocked up to Engels overeagerness), Marx seemed to imply that Socialism was literally hundreds of years away)

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>They know Capitalist business people and they're good friends and very nice, polite people, so they're not bad or evil. It doesn't matter if they're bad or good or nice or rude, all that matters is the role they play within the Capitalist machine.
This lacks basic common sense. Any successful communist party understood the personal quality of people of of paramount importance. I feel really bad for you if you can't distinguish between decent and shit people, and constantly fall back on, 'Well they're a prole so we're on the same side.' basically a prey mentality
>confronted with the overwhelming truth of Scientific Marxism
Let's ignore the cultish verbiage for a moment. The hallmark of scientific knowledge is the ability to manipulate and change that which is the object of study. By this very definition, considering the abysmal track record of western Marxists at having any solid impact on changing society, it's safe to say that western Marxism isn't scientific.

>>468608
A prole can be an asshole, but he still has the same class relations and values than I do. I don't have to like people to stick up for them. I understand that personality disorders like BPD and ASPD exist and they SHOULD be kept away from movements and from power. But those are the exceptions rather than the rule, a decent system should be able to root out these types anyway.
I know plenty of Business people, they're "good" people, they polite, kind, do a lot of community stuff, blah blah, this doesn't stop the role they play in the Capitalist system, they are class enemies and when the moment of truth arises, the reality is, these people will most likely side with the forces of reaction.

>considering the abysmal track record of western Marxists at having any solid impact on changing society, it's safe to say that western Marxism isn't scientific.

Western Marxism basically doesn't exist outside of Cockshott and a few other fringe autists who are treated as "red brown strasserites" by Baizuo. This doesn't disprove Marxism, all it debunks is Western "Leftists" from adhering to Scientific Socialist methods. Quickest way to see if a Baizuo is a Leftist, ask him to do a Materialist reading of Gender and explain how can they accept Transwomen are Women?

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relevant video (with dogshit audio)