what's next, you're gonna cry that I'm sectarian against poor nazis too kek?
sectarianism is a good ol leftist tradition, dumbfuckoid
anyway, sectarianism would be disagreeing with you on superficial matters
and class character of the Soviet-type societies is anything but a superficial question, leftoid
>Marxist Lenists were genuine socialists, attempting to build socialism.
I never doubted that bolsheviks were genuine marxists. It just doesn't matter lol.
I don't care what you are, what you feel, and what labels you use. I don't see you as a conscious actor with an agency, I just don't.
All I care about is what objective forces DRIVE you to act the way you act.
>Now for the Soviet Union, the stratification that did exist was definitely a flaw in that system. It has to be criticized
I'm not here for one of your struggle sessions, shit-for-brains
I'm here for the OBJECTIVE REALITY
I don't """criticize""" shit. I determine THE TRUTH.
>But Soviet society was decidedly not a class society.
It was. And still is in some places.
>What you call the nomenclature, had a tremendous amount of political power, but it could not control the means of production.
Please describe to me the process of determining the distribution of labor among various activities in the Soviet-type soycieties.
>You can check the material reality of surplus allocation
I don't even need to look at surplus distribution.
All I need to look at is the material reality of labor allocation lol.
Surplus comes AFTER labor, leftoid.
>You do seem to have some ideological over-lap with the neoliberals, who also tried to paint the Soviet Union as some kind of capitalism
So trots are neolibs? Anarchists neolibs too?
Everyone is a neolib but you kek. How wonderful.
>in your vernacular "industrial class-based mode of production"
you forgot the word "another", myopic retardoid lol
I consider Soviet-type societies a different mode of production from capitalism.
Go ask a trot if they agree with my conclusion lol. Your tankoid ass has far more in common with them than I do.
Because you're both dogmoids that believe in communism, just like all christian sects believe in the afterlife.
To suggest to your kind that the logic of social evolution doesn't necessary lead to communism is the GREATEST HERESY. It's like suggesting there is no Heaven to a christian lol.
And so you marxoids cannot accept that there can be other class societies beyond capitalism.
To accept this is to let go of Heaven lol.
>They are indeed ideologically motivated by attempting to extinguish the mere thought that alternative economic systems or class-less societies are possible.
Except it is YOU who are ideologically motivated by attempting to extinguish the mere thought that alternative economic systems or class societies are possible. Lol.
>Well the Soviet Union did exist and it was radically different from capitalism
I agree lol. You can't read well, do you?
>it still disproves the ideological concept of T.I.N.A. (There is no alternative)
there IS alternative
just not a classless one lol (tho maybe there will be some day)
>Maybe you're not a crypto-neo-lib and your motivations are different, however it still is peculiar that you apparently are trying to force similar conclusions.
But I don't force any conclusions (like communism lol).