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File: 1771780293990.jpg ( 177.4 KB , 1500x1125 , Hotwheels.jpg )

 No.494485

February 21, 1994 – January 10, 2026
8ch founder Hotwheels has died in his sleep at 31. Brennan created 8ch before the site was stolen by feds in a hostile takeover which eventually led to its end.

https://shows.acast.com/im-from-the-internet-a-podcast-about-somethingawfulcom/episodes/the-late-great-fredrick-brennan-part-one
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fredrick_Brennan
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 No.494488

I'll always appreciate his early initiative on making and developing 8ch. However, he took a really sad turn in support of censorship in his later years.
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 No.494490

>>494488
>support of censorship?
What exactly?
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 No.494493

i heard he may have behind DDOS-ing 8chan/8-something because he did not like what it became (rightwing or some shit)
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 No.494494

>>494488
>>494493
Can we please have some sources for any of this?

>(rightwing or some shit)

Hotwheels was right wing, unambiguously and famously for his entire tenure as the owner of 8ch.

The main gripe Hotwheels had with Jim was that Jim had taken the site in a hostile takeover. Jim was a fed, he had learned about computers from the US military.
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 No.494496

>>494494
Are you pro-censorship by big private tech companies?
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 No.494497

>>494496
No, but when exactly did Hotwheels support that? Like, what is the case you're referring to? Source please?
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 No.494498

https://www.wired.com/story/the-weird-dark-history-8chan/


"His new site would offer the kind of freedom that 4chan’s users now perceived they no longer had. They would be constrained only by 8chan’s global rule, “Do not post, request, or link to any content that is illegal in the United States of America and do not create boards with the sole purpose of posting or spreading such content.” (The wording of the rule was tweaked slightly in May 2017.)"

"Copyrighted content and child pornography ran afoul of this rule and were supposed to be policed by the mostly volunteer moderators, but that didn’t always happen. Boards on pedophilia and “doxxing”—releasing someone’s personal information like home address and phone number, which often led to online and offline harassment—were allowed, as were legally gray-area images like softcore pictures of kids."


"The initial New York Times piece generated considerable interest in Brennan’s hardships. In a video filmed at the time, Aaron Parnes, the CEO of Razor Clicks—a company Brennan was then working for—says the outpouring of donations to help Brennan purchase a new wheelchair was restoring Brennan's "faith in the good of humanity and his courage to continue doing his best for himself and others.” (The news network Al Jazeera America also covered Brennan, producing a short documentary “The Other America: Fredrick Brennan.”)"

"But just a few months after Parnes, who is Jewish, was appealing for help for Brennan, Brennan was soliciting advice from 8chan users for a piece he was planning to write for the neo-Nazi publication The Daily Stormer. He posted a list of potential article ideas on 8chan, a list that was accompanied by images of beer cans dressed as members of the Klu Klux Klan attending a lynching."

"One idea was “shitting on ‘moot’ and 4chan,” but he ultimately settled on writing about his support of eugenics for people like himself with genetic diseases. The article, which was published four days later, ran under the headline “Hotwheels: Why I Support Eugenics.” (Brennan used Hotwheels as a handle online.) He says he wouldn’t write for the The Daily Stormer again, but he stands by the article’s content. (The article argues that people who can pass serious diseases on to their children could be offered money not to reproduce.*) “Was it smart to be in a Nazi newspaper? I have no idea. Probably not,” he says. “But if you actually read the article, it’s very tame.”"



Yikes…
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 No.494499

"Publicly, Brennan was the face of 8chan, granting interviews and partaking in debates to defend the site. One of his most popular defenses was likening 8chan to the phone company or the postal service—just providing the conduit for the messages. “It's not our fault that these people are using our service like that,”"

Thoughts on this argument?
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 No.494500

>>494498
>Yikes…
uygha you're on an 8ch offshoot right now.
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 No.494501

>>494500
No wonder people defend pedophilia/lowering the age of consent and say things like "there's a difference between 'working class lolicon' and 'bourgeois lolicon'"
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 No.494503

>>494501
No, there's like one guy who says that, it appears to be bait, and the reason that it's tolerated is that we're not very censorious.

And .org is also an 8ch offshoot. The original /leftypol/ was created on 8ch. How do you not know this?
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 No.494522

>>494503
>people disagree with my asinine moral panic, it has to be bait, nobody could actually have a different opinion than me
What causes this mentality?
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 No.494523

>>494522
This is a thread about Hotwheels. Fuck off. You have your "pedophilia is good prove me wrong" tent, go over there, you're not entitled to derail every thread just because nobody wants to talk to or associate with you.
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 No.494528

>>494523
It's not all that out of place tbh because 8ch had a ton of anti-age of consent sentiment on it. It arguably served as the seed that proliferated this belief and is responsible for how much more common it is today. You practically can't go to any imageboard anymore without finding people who believe this. I've even seen it starting to show up in YouTube comments.
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 No.494529

>>494528
>It's not all that out of place tbh because 8ch had a ton of anti-age of consent sentiment on it.
It had multiple boards for Shota and Loli, you're talking about a site which, at peak, had hundreds of active boards and thousands of wildly diverse users and very minimal rules.

>It arguably served as the seed that proliferated this belief

There is zero argument for this. Every site that allowed this kind of discussion (including Reddit, 4Chan, Tumblr) had it at some point. It wasn't invented by 8ch.

Why not start talking about furries or guro? Those are equally relevant topics since 8ch had boards for those things. Go back to your thread, fool.
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 No.494530

>Brennan created 8ch before the site was stolen by feds in a hostile takeover which eventually led to its end.
It was not a hostile takeover, SYBAU. It was a refuge for Nazis too unhinged for even 4 chan. Rest in Piss cripple.
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 No.494531

>>494530
Forgot to mention 8 chan spawned a few mass shooters too.
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 No.494534

>>494490
>>494494
He got spooked after the mass shooters and denounced the whole existence of 8ch. He even argued for never bringing it back after the shutdown.
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 No.494536

>>494530
>It was not a hostile takeover, SYBAU.
Yes it fucking was. I'm talking about Jim.

Jim was a fed. He took the site from Hotwheels, it was the first major point of contention between them, fool.

>It was a refuge for Nazis too unhinged for even 4 chan.

It was literally the place /leftypol/ started, where the fuck did you come from?

>>494534
>He got spooked after the mass shooters and denounced the whole existence of 8ch. He even argued for never bringing it back after the shutdown.
He was reasonable to say that. 8Ch under Jim had practically come to endorse that kind of deranged far-right violence against soft targets, the problem of Jim prioritizing /pol/ and allowing mass shooters to freely post manifestos there while endorsing their politics was a real one. Hotwheels was extremely propertarian when he controlled the site, but he would still have had the sense to distance himself and the site from that kind of IRL violence. I'm not saying the FBI was right to shut the whole thing down (FB and Instagram see people posting similar stuff without getting shut down because they're specifically given exemptions from this kind of broad scrutiny or treatment ;D ), but Jim seemed to more-or-less be gunning for its destruction. Jim took the site from Hotwheels, which Hotwheels had already resented, and then turned the site into a kind of combined mouthpiece for the state and mass-shooting machine. I don't see Hotwheels as, like, a too censorious guy just because he was ok with the site being destroyed after that, the personal significance of having his creation stolen and then mismanaged in that way probably pissed him off.
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 No.494537

The depressing thing is how endchan never really took off and no other image boards really seem interested in the whole make-your-own-board idea. Seems like the idea died with Frederick.

I think we all learned some important lessons from 8ch though. The DDoS racket and its connection to state actors (i.e. Cloudflare) needs to be accounted for when you're hosting a potentially subversive forum. Furthermore singular websites always represent a singular point of failure, whether succumbing to outside sabotage or internal self-destruction.

I think the next evolution in censorship-resistant image board communities needs to come in the form of federated systems like in the Fediverse.
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 No.494541

>>494529
Reddit and Tumblr explicitly banned it though. Also, furries are a much smaller portion of the population than guys who want to fuck teenage girls.
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 No.494542

rip
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 No.494543

File: 1771927827938.png ( 164.91 KB , 1124x866 , 2012 Reddit bans CP NYMag.png )

>>494541
>Reddit and Tumblr explicitly banned it though.
Reddit didn't even start explicitly banning its open pedo communities explicitly for sharing "jailbait" and "preteen girl" images until a few years into the 2010s. Article attached is from 2012. Tumblr quietly continued hosting a lot of similar stuff for years. It was a long time before either site actually cracked down on talking about this stuff. Even 4Chan started out with a harder line against CP than Reddit did.
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 No.494551

File: 1772013683662.png ( 109.14 KB , 762x840 , 1771822782268.png )

Rest In Peace, Fred

You were a true free speech defender
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 No.494558

>>494551
For a time he was. And then he wasn't.
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 No.494559

>>494558
You keep saying this, but the only evidence supplied thus far ITT has been that he got mad at Jim (the fed who stole the site that Hotwheels made) for doing absolutely nothing to distance the site from the mass shootings.
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 No.494561


>>494551
and yet he built his site for RWers and always left leftypol in second place in traffic
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 No.494755

>>494561
Didn't Joshua Moon do the coding work?
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 No.494776

>>494755
no, Infinity was developed by neither, Brennan simply maintained it, expanded it, and moderated it. Joshua Moon was hired to develop and implement Infinity Next which wasn't implemented on 8chan due to technical issues. It was eventually used for 9ch, suffered technical issues there and was retired.

Brennan characterized Moon as living in filth, unable to stay focused, and called him a lolcow who scammed $12,000 from 8ch.
https://archive.ph/XE2o2
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 No.494777

I had a a couple long discussions with Brennan after his left-wing pivot. He seemed genuine but immediately became hostile, angry, paranoid, and guarded after I simply mentioned his DailyStormer article from a long time ago.
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 No.494778

guess last thing i have to say

brennan's anti-free-speech talk was duplicitous. He admitted to basically recruiting right-wingers to his site, a space for disgruntled gamergaters, making his site a huge right-wing hugbox then later used that as "proof" free speech forums "always end up in disaster". It was a lazy argument born from his own actions. He mad a scorched earth argument about the internet by describing his own actions as some inevitable force of nature.

Every admin, even "free speech" ones are constantly making micro-decisions that aren't exactly censorial, but direct the platform in some way or another. An example being selling 8chan to one of the most rabid right-wingers in the world. That's "hey I wasn't being censorial", while obviously accomodating right-wingers.
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 No.494798

>>494777
>I had a a couple long discussions with Brennan after his left-wing pivot.
Any screenshots?
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 No.494800

>>494798
no it was almost 5 years ago
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 No.494808

File: 1772928907118.jpg ( 324.86 KB , 1680x1050 , gamergate - a right wing m….jpg )

>>494778
>right-wingers to his site, a space for disgruntled gamergaters
I hope you didn't just do that thing the horseshit games media did. The vast majority of gamergate people were not, in fact, right wing.
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 No.494809

>>494808
yea about half of republicans show up as "left-wing" on the Nolan chart, but what matters are people's speech and actions not their test scores. 8chan's main board was rabidly right-wing the entire lifetime of the site.

Brennan explicitly recruited people from 4chan's /pol/ and /v/, like the central hub of sociopathic right-wingism
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 No.494815

>>494809
>/v/, like the central hub of sociopathic right-wingism
Nah, you're full of shit. There may have been some overlap with /pol/tards but as a whole 4chan's /v/ community covered a pretty general spread of American politics. The transformation of 4chan into Stupid Boomer Politics only happened after the exodus and gamergate.
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 No.494816

>>494815

>may have been


lmao


/pol/ and /v/


you purposefully omitted /pol/ because you know you can't fudge the history on that.


There's only a few readily accessible archives 2014, the year GG hit a peak and then discussion was banned. All I see is right-wingism: hating on jews in multiple separate threads, and promoting right-wing e-celebs like Ed Morrissey and Adam Baldwin


Ed Morrissey is undeniably economically right-wing. As a senior editor for Hot Air and a prominent conservative columnist, his writing consistently advocates for traditional fiscal conservatism. He actively argues for free-market solutions, lower taxes, deregulation, reducing the national debt, and dismantling large welfare programs. As a combination of all those stances he was undeniably right-wing.


Adam Baldwin is also economically right-wing. He has publicly described his political views as "conservatarian", a blend of conservative and libertarian. Economically, he advocated for free markets, minimal government intervention, lower taxes, and an obsession with private property above all else. He wrote for Breitbart and his public commentary align firmly with right-wing fiscal policies.


so yea you're the one full of shit


https://archive.is/tlzdl
https://archive.is/VdpuB#selection-2409.0-2409.12
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 No.494817

>>494816
Two celebrities (I don't even remember this Morrissey clown) who don't even use image boards are hardly representative of the general opinion on /v/. Here's my counter anecdote: I was involved in a large project to compile all the games journalism scandals over the years and of the 20-ish people I collaborated with only two of them were hardcore right wingers. There were maybe three or four progressives and socialists on the left, while most everyone else was somewhere in the middle.

>you purposely omitted /pol/

I think it's pretty clear that I'm not disputing /pol/'s politics.

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