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 No.495207

reposted in the right thread because apparently I'm a retard and can't click the right buttons

new fag here, getting really sick and tired of this country (US) shitting on leftists as a whole with no sign of things getting better. How long until we see IRA troubles in America? Americans are too focused on idpol and other spooked shit to properly organise.

I personally think the American working class is too brain dead from propaganda to effectively organize without a large shock, and at this point its just a matter of time before the retard in chief causes one of those powder keg moments.

I know people that are of the same mind as me up until recently but would not think twice of starting some shit if things dont work out come the next election (I've never been of the mind that the elections work, especially how they are now)
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 No.495210

>>495207
Okay but you need to join an org before you blame others for not organizing. Because everyone is waiting for someone else to do something. Probably finding the right org that meets your standards is going to take some work even.

>starting some shit if things dont work out come the next election

I mean you're already making excuses for not doing anything right now

Literally join an org, personally I'm probably going to join ACP once I get my life a little bit in order.
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 No.495211

Alright, my friend - it's me from the other thread. These are my thoughts:

2. Arm. Get guns, get bullets, stockpile. If you can afford to go to the range, go to the range, learn to shoot well. Novicetip if you're starting off: it doesn't matter if you close one eye when aiming.

Guns are fairly affordable and easy to get in most of the US, so there's no excuse not to get one. If you're unemployed and unarmed, my recommendation is that you try finding employment in order to arm, and I can try to give you tips on that to the best of my ability if needed.

Look into fireworks, too. Learn the chemistry, and if you are blessed with somewhere safe to store volatile chemicals away from heat, you should take it upon yourself to gather ingredients. Don't tell anybody, and keep it all out of sight.

What we are in today is a severe state of war, it's only that the American workers are, gradually, waking up to the fact that the American state is at war with them! That's why it gasses Americans with chemical weapons, surveils Americans, disappears Americans, beats Americans, kills Americans with the same impunity that it kills Palestinians, Syrians, Iraqis, Libyans, Venezuelans, etc.; the US is at war, a one-sided war, with the American people.

Like with the Geneva Convention and international law, the American state disregards its own laws at home; so what if the president is a pedophile? So what if Brett Ratner raped little girls? So what if Rubio is a coke fiend, or if Biden was too senile to legally hold office, or if all of congress takes bribes? So what if the cops are committing murders and illegal searches? There is one law for them, the oligarchs, and a different law for you. For them, the law is "do what thou wilt," for you, the law is "do what they wilt."

And so, if you are aware of all this, what that really means is that you can't wait for everyone else to wake up. You need to be using what resources are available to you, whatever they may be, to prepare for the ugly days when the few who still don't understand the urgency have finally realized how blind they were. You need to spread the word, but, more importantly, you need to get ready for war on a material level.

3. The propaganda is bad, but many would understand what is really going on with a little help. You can't obsess over those who don't.

4. I sympathize with the other anon's reply about orgs, but I'm not sure if I recommend joining one formally. You can volunteer for most orgs without putting your name on a members list AFAIK, and I recommend doing that just for experience, and to avoid paying dues. This way you can help with things like general strikes and protests without having to toe a party line, too.

I'm somewhat skeptical of all visible American socialist orgs, because I think that, even if they are not ops (and I fon't rule out any or all of them being fed ops), they end up with a vested interest in doing everything through legal avenues. These legal avenues have been carefully carved by the powers-that-be in order to prevent any real threats to the existing extortive imperialist order. Above-board orgs must set out to preserve their own threatened existences as socialist orgs, and in the interest of self-preservation, the leadership becomes ineffective at mounting any necessary revolutionary challenge against the state. They promote political programmes, but they can never enact these without revolution, and so there need to be invisible organizations which are not under their control, and which are less aimed at self-preservation and messaging than at revolution.

So I say participate in orgs to better understand them and help with legal activities, but do not formally become a member.

5. You're right to say elections don't work. American elections are a sham.

The first, least troublesome, hurdle is, funnily enough, the electoral bureaucracy - meeting the criteria to receive votes in an election is the easiest part. Getting on the ballot is much more difficult, but can be done. The biggest impasse actually comes from the media, who will ignore valid candidates entirely at will if they come from outside the duopoly, the NGOs (which exist largely to funnel voters into the DNC/GOP even if they pretend to advocate for something else), and the "campaign finance" (bribing) industry which decides policy and electoral outcomes.

Even having cleared the 1st hurdle is not assurance of having cleared the first hurdle, now, btw - in 2024, the DNC spent millions just suing third party candidates, who had made it onto state ballots by gathering thousands of signatures, off of ballots. In GA this absurd chicanery ultimately resulted in an outcome where Claudia de La Cruz (PSL) and Cornel West (ind) were on the ballot, but votes for them were discarded. In any country but the USA, they would call it an undemocratic sham, but here you're lucky if anyone even hears of it!

What's more, both Bush, Jr. and Trump (2016) were elected without the popular vote; Bush, Jr. even had his Brooks Brothers-wearing thugs physically attack a polling station in Florida to prevent a state-level recount! A coup, anywhere else!

So yes, US elections are BS. I'm old enough to remember when Trump ran on being "anti-war" and "anti-neocon!" Power grows out of the barrel of a gun, and the American state already knows that. Everyone else will, too, it's just a matter of time. Get ready.
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 No.495213

>>495210
>Okay but you need to join an org before you blame others for not organizing.

There is one org that I have worked with recently but I don't know if the have the pull through for meaningful change, there is a group called Sons of Liberty (they are trying to take back the name) that is a coalition of anti fascist groups/individuals but they have been organizing on both secure and insecure means (signal & fbi.gov).

Given the recent privacy concerns with palantir doing some sketchy shit I am less inclined to interact further that way.

Cells are a thing, they start with trusted individuals and gathering of support. I have been disillusioned with the status quo and how things are so I am just realistically pointing out how shit the electoral system is as a whole and I am not relying on it as a fix all system.

>I mean you're already making excuses for not doing anything right now


I was more referencing a close friend that has openly stated as much, I've looked closely at the ACP as well but there entire methodology of funding is flawed imo. There are not any groups afaik that fulfill meaningful preparation.
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 No.495216

>>495211
My friend, a lot of what you have said resonates with me in ways you cannot understand.

I recently lost my job, and employment has not been easy to come by, however I will say one thing that is in my advantage is that large amounts of ammonium nitrate will not be a strange purchase for a farm and proper storage is something that I have researched.

I am also incredibly skeptical of the orgs available, as a lot of them fall flat or are simply ineffective in other ways.

I have access to firearms and have been actively preparing for the dark times as you have stated.

I've had a few ideas for raising funds using crypto but the person who I would call my right hand man has rightfully pointed out that wallets can be traced.

The war in ukraine has provided insight into the means of warfare, and pulling from the green book for inspiration there is a good chance of resistance in the direct sense.

My main issue at the moment and one that is faced by the Sons of Liberty as well is gaining trustworthy individuals and creating celled intelligence. How do you find like minded people who will follow through?

I'm sure I don't have to preach to the choir but I find Stiner's words becoming clearer and clearer as things escalate.

"The state calls its own violence law. but labels individual force law"

god I love fedposting
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 No.495217

>>495213
I don't know if being a communist is larping as a terrorist in an underground organization. It should actually be accessible for the masses, because the masses have to build dual power [in the united states]. Don't forget that dual power is the goal, not just protests or some actions, but building a working alternative to the state.

This is obviously going to take enormous work and there probably aren't any shortcuts considering how atrophied the left has gotten over time.

>there entire methodology of funding is flawed imo

I keep hearing this but only on this website. All the content I've seen from Infrared streams talking about their funding, their cadres simply fund their own activities (transportation, materials etc). And this decentralized way of doing things seems to work for them. What specifically is your problem with their funding (maybe I'm not aware)?
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 No.495218

>>495217
>I don't know if being a communist is larping as a terrorist in an underground organization

I never claimed to be communist, as far as "larping" movements and lone operators have to start somewhere don't they?

>This is obviously going to take enormous work and there probably aren't any shortcuts considering how atrophied the left has gotten over time.


Agreed, and that alone is another issue altogether, exasperating the aforementioned recruitment issue.

>What specifically is your problem with their funding (maybe I'm not aware)


Mostly the same issues others have already pointed out, if an organization is at its roots being 'run like a business' it seems rife for petite bourgeois interest and the rise of career pundants.

Ireland had Sinn fein yet the left in the US is so fractured, there has not been a single unified political wing for actual progressive movement.
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 No.495241

>>495218
>if an organization is at its roots being 'run like a business'
What are you quoting here?
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 No.495242

>>495241 (me)
No like actually, here is the official response to "Who funds ACP?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHtiLPtvyBQ&t=2241s


>The video states that currently, all necessary expenses for the party's national initiatives are paid out-of-pocket by the leadership (including the executive board and polit bureau). In addition to personal contributions from leadership, revenue is generated through the party's journal and dues paid by reserve members. The speaker emphasizes that the party is not bankrolled by any outside sponsors, donors, or billionaires, and that individual chapters also fund their own activities by pulling money and resources out-of-pocket. (37:21 - 39:08)


Sorry for quoting yt AI but this has nothing to do with being "run like a business" so idk what you are talking about bro
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 No.495243

>>495242 (me)
Maybe you are being confused by this part: (transcription mine)

>Now the big question is "what's the strategy for getting funding for the party?". Well we don't have huge mega-donors, we don't have any capitalist patrons, we don't have any billionaires bankrolling us, so we have a strategy that involves a concept called "chapter enterprises". "Chapter enterprises" are cooperative businesses that chapters are going to be running that's basically going to give them an economic existence and therefore because we know how it works in any society to have a political existence we need to have an economic existence. You need a way to actually support with resources your acctivity and sustain that activity. So when it comes to labor organizing, when it comes to community service, when it comes to having a foothold in local politics, if you don't have any kind of economic power what-so-ever, none of those things are possible at least in the long term. For some reason – this still baffles me; Some people found this to be contraversial its just because they don't know about the history of every communist party on earth has always had to contend with economic realities. Most communist parties contend themselves with just collecting dues or just collecting donations, but we are in here for the long haul. We think that this is not going to be something overnight as far as the construction of the proletarian dictatorship and the seizure of power. So it's very important that there is a Communist voice in American politics, that there is a Communist influence, that ther's a seat at the table for the American working class politically. And you have to have some kind of economic existence for that to be possible. So chapter enterprises are central to our strategy to actually be solvent, and to be efficient, and to allow our activity actually be funded and given the proper resources that it needs. Our goal is not profit. If our goal was profit we would not be running a communist party. The income that chapter enterprises makes goes into the party itself, to grow the party itself. So that's basically our model for funding the party.


What I will say is that what you are thinking of as the quote is "chapter enterprises operating as businesses" is really "'Chapter enterprises' are cooperative businesses that chapters are going to be running that's basically going to give them an economic existence and therefore because we know how it works in any society to have a political existence we need to have an economic existence."

And that really just means funding yourself for your own activities, that's really all there is to it. It does NOT mean that the HQ is somehow receiving funds from these chapters.
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 No.495244

>>495243

I may have been mistaken as to their funding after reading over that previous post yes, regardless I looked into their goals and I am not a huge supporter of their outlook on drugs & sex work and feels entirely too statist for me to support such a heavy handed goal.
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 No.495245

>>495243
>>495244
That's fine, more on this:

>Right now all of the necessary expenses for the National Party initiavites are coming out of pocket from leadership myself included. From the executive board from the politburo - its all out of pocket right now notwithstanding the stream of revenue from the journal and the newly created dues that accompany the reserve status. That is where our reveneue comes from. Nobody is funding our party. We are not being bankrolled. We have no sponsors. We have no big sponsors either abroad or domestically. None whatsoever. We are working to make our party economically efficient, so we can have longevity. Right now it has not achieved that. So we have to work to gain that. We have to achieve that. It's not something automatic. So, it's really just out of pocket expenses. None of us are profiting from this or making money from it. We are all putting everything in and getting nothing back. And even when the party manages to really get sustainable streams of revenue - its all going back into the party anyway - so that's who funds the party I guess, really no one except us, ourselves; as far as chapters - they also funded out of pocket. The chapters come together to pool money and resources - and that's how they fund chapter activity. So nobody is funding us. Right now we are on our own. We don't have millions of dollars coming from Goldman Sacks, and USAid like these other organizations. Nothing. Just us. So that's that simple, really.


So it seems to me like it is entirely self-funded and the funding doesn't flow upstream to anybody. In fact I would need some funds of my own to even engage with them; which rules out people like NEETS.

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