/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

True.

>>496031
do you mean the DSA? It's just a caucus for the democrap party

>>496031
>>496035
But Sarah Silverman left the Democratic Socialists of America after being a member for several years, citing their published response to the initial Hamas attacks and lack of support for Israel. Explain?

They couldn't even hold people accountable that they endorsed for repeatedly voting to send Israel weapons.

https://www.ajc.org/news/democratic-socialists-of-america-who-they-are-and-their-stance-on-israel
AJC (American Jewish Committee) says DSA moved away from their Michael Harrington era pro-Israel stance to a more anti-Zionist stance. Explain?

>>496036
So what? They're not really socialist. It's a way to funnel young people away from valid communist vanguards and direct action..

>>496066
>direct action
Petty crimes?

>>496067
Define petty
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_William_McKinley

>>496070
Accomplished nothing except a state crackdown on anarchists.

>>496071
Also killed the president.

>>496194
Did that change even a single policy?

>>496198
If not, then the lesson is they needed to kill more people, infiltrate more, do more damage, and exert more prolonged pressure. Killing the president is a way better start towards an objective than anything anarchists are doing today, and the vast majority of what socialists are doing today, and it obviously can impact policy or James Angleton wouldn't have had a need to kill JFK. So this is really the problem, we'd be in a better position to criticize the guy who shot McKinley if we ourselves were actually doing better; instead, we're doing worse, but we criticize anyway.

>>496200
Any leftist capable of rubbing two sticks together knows that the government isn't run by a single diabological man who makes all the decisions. It's an oligarchy formed by the vested interests of capitalists. You won't stop an oligarchy with assassinations, you need an actual organized revolution to dismantle it.

>>496203
>You won't stop an oligarchy with assassinations,
Yeah, you can actually.
Killing oligarchs would be insanely effective. I agree that the president, for a revolutionary force (as opposed to an internal coup like with JFK), is not a priority target, but it's still way better than nothing.

The fact of the matter is that, today, the left has neither anarchist assassins nor an organized revolutionary force. It's not the fault of the early 20th century left! They were better in both categories than the left of today, and they also were much less into wanking themselves into a frenzy about how any and every action is wrong. The left today just offers very little - the best it can boast are mutual aid & community programs which are a distant shadow of previous efforts. If it was evident that the left of today was building with great effectiveness, that would be one thing; but it isn't evident so far. If even one person or group from the left was actually capable of killing the president today, the left on the whole would be completely unprepared for the repercussions because the left on the whole, in the USA, barely even functions under the current level of (constantly increasing) repression. We have a serious problem where these orgs, even if they admit to being enemies of the capitalist status quo, do not act like it - and because of this, they lose some appeal they might have to those who are most hurt by the status quo.

>>496205
I'd like to see some history to corroborate this assertion. All the historical examples I can think of had generally no effect or lead to a (successful) counter-reaction on the part of the oligarchic class to check any threats to their system. It seems difficult to stop a ruling class with assassinations when it operates as a class. You can only meet their organized class action with your own organized class action.

>>496209
this is ignoring the fact that lenin, mao and che were all critical of terrorism (political assassinations included)
the contemporary incarnation of this impulse isnt even political though, all the ideological veneer is just a justification for what feels good
they want a moral license to kill the bad people

>>496210
Lenin robbed banks and killed the Tsar's whole family, though. Like, this is my point, this stuff clearly has practical applications or, historically, it wouldn't be done by a number of victors. Direct action, even on the level of theft is obviously useful - so is sabotage, and there's no reason to purposefully not have the ability to carry out assassinations even if it's not the most important tool in asymmetric war. An assassination which fails to spark revolution, provided it was actually done by opponents of the capitalist state, is still a way closer swing than a long peaceful series of marches which also fail.

>>496203
this is a false dichotomy. yes a single or even handful of assassination attempts will not fundamentally change the capitalist system but at the same time if you don't think it has profound effects on said system then you are either naive or intentionally obfuscating the impact because you fash sympathizer that understands that they could also be in the cross hairs

>>496234
>if you don't agree you're X
There's been many assassinations throughout history. Feel free to present some data to support your assertion.

>>496213
Lenin had an enormous army organized when the Tsar's family were executed. It wasn't some small assassination operation.

>>496237
Understood, officer.